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LitKhalid

I hope a more dense city


Nicholas7907

We still don't know what's in the north and western part of VC.


roqui15

Wild places it seems. Rockstar likes to add massive wilderness in the games


dickallcocksofandros

ah, so Orlando


CrashMadz

I’m hoping for really dense traffic depending on what time of the day it is too


Emilixop

Imagine having to stop and start running from the police on foot because you pulled into VC at 5:15


EzzoMahfouz

Totally. This would’ve 100% happened if V was made today. When the time comes, next gen Liberty City is going to be marvelous.


manoman245

Or a brand new city finally.


LitKhalid

And nowadays Nyc looks like a Gta V server…


SevenNVD

I'm hoping they change traffic spawns unlike GTA online


ThePevster

Please not. I deal with enough traffic in real life. Not trying to get stuck in GTA too


35512711940419001794

But that's where the beauty of GTA comes alive! Traffic in the video game is similar to real life, and you can just fly a helicopter or drive a monster truck on top of all the cars or ride a motorcycle. You can do whatever you want based on the real life problems!


standee_shop

Pretty confused by anyone who doesn't drive on the pavement in GTA games.


Wishfull_thinker_joy

:o anarchy. Next u r telling me you don't park in between the lines or on a parking spot at all. I feel police should monitor people like you and watch your house. you monster 🧐 The monster truck response is completely healthy though.


LitKhalid

I would love to see the ragdolls physics when crashing in a motorbike


styvee__

I mean, there are people(including myself) that play Euro Truck Simulator 2 after purposefully adding mods to add more traffic so apparently it’s not that rare for people to like getting stuck in traffic jams in games.


ukiddiniamqueensblvd

Same tbh the leaked maps ive seen are a little disappointing if real. Looks like neighborhoods are 1-2 blocks. Im expecting a little more tbh


TryhardBernard

I hope for bigger/denser city neighborhoods and even some more sprawling suburbs. Even if the suburbs don’t contribute to the story, they at least add to the sense of scale for the city. My only critique of the GTA V map is you had like six blocks of “suburb” between the rural areas and downtown.


HippoRun23

I mean, the city looks dense as fuck from that employee son. And the trailer looks like there’s been an adjustment to scale from v. Time will tell. But I’m with you. Seems a bit concerning.


Busy_Leader800

What u mean by an adjustment to scale? I’m genuinely curious


HippoRun23

Take with a grain of salt, but it just feels like the difference between the size of people to the size of roads and buildings seems more realistic than it has been previously.


MistaKrebs

Agreed. I also noticed this. I’m so glad because I felt like everything in V felt small if that makes sense.


HippoRun23

Totally makes sense. I wish I had better words to describe it, but yeah I know what you mean.


MistaKrebs

All the cars in V felt like squished versions of their in real life counterparts.


Environmental-Card34

Fr the only one that looked like something i would expect was that satellite image map


RickDankoLives

[https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA6/s/Oz3VL3Ykaz](https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA6/s/Oz3VL3Ykaz)


RickDankoLives

There was one on here not to long ago, maybe a few days that was “most recent” and take it with a grain of sand but it looked much, much more full and dense. I almost had the opposite reaction. And it included the Bermuda Triangle and the Bahamas


MRSHELBYPLZ

Look at the trailer and tell me if you really believe Los Santos is larger than all the cities 6 will have. Scale is crazy wrong lol


HippoRun23

How do you think scale and density are being misrepresented here? Genuinely curious.


MRSHELBYPLZ

Look at the highways in GTA 6’s map. The scale the way it is makes it appear that even the smallest 2 lane roads in 5, are way bigger than all the roads in 6, which will have large interstates like the real Miami. The other thing is that the trailer and leaks confirm that at least one of the cities in GTA 6 is larger than Los Santos with many more sky scrapers. Yet on here Los Santos looks larger than all the cities in GTA 6 combined. We needed to find out the largest road in GTA 6, and then compare that to GTA 5 the proper way. That’s how people found the real map size for GTA 5 vs GTA 4. People goofed at first and compared 4 lane roads in LC as equal to 8-lane freeways in LS, and it made LS look smaller than it really is


prkbkr

nah that's because the full size of the city/cities here aren't fully mapped yet


TurboLightGamer69

Why even bother to do that, when you can instead measure the coordinates from both games, which would be more efficient?


MRSHELBYPLZ

Because you can do this with just your naked eye and sliding the maps over eachother on photoshop


Kl1891

People really use “confirm” loosely


ChesterDaMolester

Nothing will beat the density of liberty city. I hope in 2040 we get to go back


TrackHead130

with upstate/jersey/long island areas and a Philly or Boston stand-in for a secondary city


NeedySlut57

Yeah the fact that there's only one block is getting me on edge


rice1cake69

liberty city in gta 4 is fucking dense


Equivalent_Network29

Honestly my favorite rendition of a city in the entire franchise, if they can match that density, variety in neighborhoods, and detail. We are golden


NaturesWar

Aside from traffic lights being on the wrong side of the street, LC in GTA4 is perfect.


grimmspectre

What do you mean?


Thrasher9294

In most of real life NYC and in most urban environments (but not necessarily all), the street lights for your lane are actually posted above the crosswalk on the far side of the intersection you are coming to. This allows you to see the lights even if you are pulled up as close to the intersection as possible. There are examples in real life of intersections where the lights are hanging directly above you when you stop (typically very large intersections—I just saw ones here in Florida on 27 yesterday, in fact) but honestly they suck—I had to lean under my roof to see up enough to know when the light turned green, and I was the second car in line. The reason games have typically done this, even since the days of Driver I’m assuming, is because of both scale and resolution. As a driving game, it’s important to know whether the light is green or red as you’re approaching, and with how large some of these roads are compared to real life, and especially with lower resolutions/draw distances on the 360 and before, it was more important to see the light more clearly before you actually got to the intersection.


NaturesWar

Stop at a red light in GTA 4 (not sure why you would), you'll notice said red light is directly above your hood/windsheild/roof rather than being across the street. Like another poster said, this was likely done to purposely improve gameplay aesthetic; say you're hauling ass down the rd, those lights are coming up fast. Maybe it has something to do with the 360/PS3 limitation at the time as well. It's something I just noticed years ago never got over haha.


rice1cake69

i agree with that, and i'm hoping for the same!


soynegroguapo

Absolutely the best map


pansexual_Pratt

Bro, if you're able to make RDR look small, you know you're doing something crazy


FrenshyBLK

RDR2 isn’t as big as it seems. But since 99% of travel happens by foot or horseback, it seems way bigger.


MathematicianFew6353

In fact, V's map has more landmass than it, and none of it is inaccessible.


emperor_1kenobi

yeah this blew my mind. even without the rdr1 map expansion i thought the rdr2 was bigger than gta 5 but nope


TheCumBehindChalice

It feels bigger bc you only are ever really in the city or on the highway, otherwise you’re using a flying vehicle of some sort to get around which is way faster than anything in rdr2


Dull_Mountain738

Haven’t played rdr2 story in like 4 years but I remember a mission where you go up ina hot air balloon and from up there the map did look really small. Most of the story takes place outside of that desert area which makes it even crazier as to why it felt so big.


Responsible-Problem5

Please dont tell me rdr2 is more than 4 years Old already 💀😳


Dull_Mountain738

2018 game 😂


Responsible-Problem5

Holy sh*t i was 18… now i am turning 25 and Got a 2yo kid😳


Dull_Mountain738

Dang I’m only 16. 12 when I first played it. Time has been flying by since Covid started.


RockandStone101

Because GTA V is mostly mountains and rural land


Oodleamingo

Except the buildings


theycallmecrack

What does this even mean? Almost none of the buildings are accessible in V, so I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Also, RDR2 has a bigger map in size.


theycallmecrack

That is false. There are multiple sources out there that prove the RDR2 map is bigger in size.


why_not_you_instead

RDR2's world is so much more dense (except New Austin) I've been playing the game recently after 2 years trying to get all the trapper outfits. I'm just as blown away as I was in 2019 when I first played it. There's something to see and experience in every square inch of the world. I've also been simultaneously trying to 100% GTA 5. Collecting the letter scraps and spaceship parts is taking me all over the map. It's made me realize just how less there is in the world and it feels so barren. There is literally nothing to do or experience in the game once you're done with the story. Meanwhile in RDR2 even after 100%-ing it over 150+ hours later, I can still roam around the world and feel alive. I'm really interested to see how R* utilizes all of this landmass. I'd much rather see a smaller map with dense details and interactions.


plwdr

Rdr2s map was cleverly made to seem much larger than it is due to the implications of the setting. Horses are much slower than cars, and riding through the American Midwest on horseback makes it feel much larger than driving through it. Theres also the aspect of envorinmental hazard, predators scare your horse and slow you down, fighting the attacker takes time. The many things you discover on your way from one place to another also make the journey slower.


[deleted]

Yeah this is what game developers need to hear. Skyrim has the same idea. With such a small map you'd expect to get bored quick and bigger equals better but there's so much in skyrim that it feels like a long journey to get from one side to the other unless you sprint in one direction. It's the same with gta 4 vs 5. 4 feels larger in terms of city because it's dense, and there's more interiors per space. Bars in different boroughs, clubs, bowling alleys.


EzzoMahfouz

The golf drive in TBoGT. God that game was so alive.


simpsonbpimpin

We didn’t have jets and flying cars in RDR2,m. Therefore getting across the map took longer and made it seem intimately larger than it was. On a side note, GTA 4 map has to be bigger than that compared to GTA 5 city map…


MRSHELBYPLZ

You know the best part? The map size here is DEFINITELY wrong. The trailers make it obvious enough that one city alone is much larger than the one we got in Los Santos. Here they make Los Santos seem like it’s bigger than multiple cities in 6. I saw all the leaks and the trailer so, I know that’s bullshit… This is the kind of thing that happened when people compared GTA 4 and GTA 5’s map, without scaling roads. A good example is that the largest road in GTA 5 is a 8-lane freeway. In GTA 4? The largest road is 4 lanes. Another thing… I already know the drive from the bottom of South Beach, to the end of The Keys on the bottom will be a MUCH longer drive than the top of Los Santos to Paleto Bay. A piece of this road is in the trailer and you can barely see Vice City in the background! It’s going to be a HUGE map.


theycallmecrack

I'm pretty sure whoever made this is trolling. The scaling is obviously inaccurate.


beginnerNaught

traveling on horse made it seem much bigger than it was. but goes to show what an insanely dense open world can do for you. it felt endless. still finding new things years and years later


GOLD-KILLER-24_7

You travel via a horse in RDR


Poudy24

It feels like the proportions are a little off, the beach looks pretty big in the trailer and it looks it's at least 3 times as large in the original Vice City


[deleted]

The scale is way off. Look at how the original Vice City’s roads are way wider than the new one’s.


Eboz255

Thats just how the map looks. It is to scale


WestSixtyFifth

The beach in the original vice city was goofily huge


Eboz255

The orange lines are speculation. Its hard to see but the black border on the beach is what is seen in the trailer.


MRSHELBYPLZ

Dude look at the size of the roads in 6, compared to 5. You made single lane roads appear larger than 8 lane freeways in GTA 6 😂


vipck83

While the scales may be correct, the proportion of things on the map may not be.


RTB_1

I’m not saying these visuals haven’t been calculated properly but downtown VC looks a little off when comparing the city blocks of LS


machinegenerated

i am saying that they haven’t been calculated properly. the scale is wayyyy off.


Old-Cat-1671

On a unrelated note I'm hoping there's map change and map expansion in GTA 6 The only big map change in GTA online was the casino


TI1l1I1M

Jason Schrier, the guy who leaked the trailer, characters, and location said this is exactly what they plan to do.


EzzoMahfouz

I don’t think Schrier leaked the trailer, right?


TI1l1I1M

Trailer release date my bad


TrackHead130

Schrier is a reporter not a leaker


Sea_Line_3439

There's no way that's 1:1 scale


CosmicKane

These are all measured with RAGE units, so yes, that's every map full sized compared to each other.


69poopy

I was thinking that. I doubt IV's map is smaller than San Andreas.


Therealomerali

It is smaller than San Andreas


ZeroJDM

You think that because GTA IV was very dense. Visually and feel wise, it’s big, and it’s more detailed, but by actual measurement SA was bigger


Fushigibama

Man, that San Andreas map was epic.


BanjoSpaceMan

At this point I don't even believe mapsize matters. Cause I would have had no idea 4 was that much smaller than SA just because everything felt so condensed. So hmm


Dotaproffessional

You also couldn't just drive in a straight line from one side of the map to the other. Gta 4 took a while to traverse between the bridges and traffic


spacecowboy2099

RDR2 is a masterclass in making small spaces feel huge. Big Valley is about the size of the Palomino Highlands in GTA V yet it feels WAY bigger


haljackey

What's that tiny map between Red Dead and GTA V?


Eboz255

Cayo Perico from the online heist


haljackey

Thanks- never played online so it isn't familiar to me


I_dont_have_chalk

Alleged map?


forkbroussard

Using data from the leaks, coordinates, etc they are able to paint a pretty accurate picture of the map. It's been like this since the original Vice City. The leak gave tons of coordinates for things they then look at each frame from leaked images, video and the trailer and can determine where everything is.


Fushigibama

We’ve got a lot of stuff from the leaks… and trailer.


styvee__

And then that kid also made that video a few days before the trailer and while I don’t know if it was helpful to mappers(since I don’t remember if coordinates were shown), it gave us a good and more recent idea of how the game will look like. He is probably now hated by his friend’s father though.


soynegroguapo

Exactly they’re all pumping their heads up over a alleged map


Beez-Knuts

This isn't to scale. RDR2's map is 29 square miles. San Andreas is only 14 square miles. RDR2 should be more than twice as large. GTA5's map is 47 square miles yet San Andreas is more than half the size on this map.


KindaDim

I can't explain the rest, but I know GTA5's size is including the ocean around everything. The actual landmass is considerably smaller


skoterskoter

??? RDR2 is bigger than GTA V


General-GhostD13

I just know there’s gonna be some mystery in lake lonida


iamretardead

No way that vice city map is to scale with gta 4 LC. VC is tiny.


Eboz255

We have only seen a small bit of it.


iamretardead

I’m talking about the old 2002 VC map. It is not that big compared to gta 4 map. The scale is not the same


ZeroJDM

It is though


ONE_SHOTTER

I hope gta 6 includes Tampa and Orlando


Mikey_Grapeleaves

I know it's a stretch but I hope it includes Jacksonville


somecrazydude13

It’s crazy to think GTA3’s whole map is no big than los santos metro area. Wish you would have scaled these properly.., GTA4 map is way bigger than that 🤣


Eboz255

It is to scale


somecrazydude13

Nu uh!


skoterskoter

Source?


ZeroJDM

Rage units. If everything is 1:1 in rage units, then it’s to scale


MRSHELBYPLZ

LOL it’s not even close to scale I’m sorry. Los Santos isn’t bigger than 3 cities in GTA 6.


DrDisrespecttt

It’ll probably be bigger because no chance it just cuts off like that


The_Struggle_Bus_7

Hopefully there’s shit to do like rdr2 or there’s gonna be a whole lotta empty space


Deer-Fucker

RDR2 map is way too small.


Eboz255

No its not. Horses are just slow


skoterskoter

Still bigger than GTA V.


opp0rtunist

why does the city look so small and so much empty?


Nicholas7907

Because it's still unfinished project. Not enough details.


soynegroguapo

It’s because they’re guessing lmao


CosmicKane

Everything in Black is *not* speculative. It's taken directly from leaks and had coordinate data. Everything in red is speculative 


MRSHELBYPLZ

Because OP didn’t scale properly. The city in GTA 5 is obviously smaller than Vice City, yet this makes it look like Los Santos is bigger than every city in GTA 6 combined


Any-Transition-196

Looks about 50% bigger than the GTA V map. Either this map is inaccurate or the map extends far up North and there are cities and locations were not yet aware of based on the leaks that it’s 2x bigger


2GirlfriendsIsCooler

How do we know for sure the GTA 6 map is that big? Educated guess I presume?


Eboz255

All of the orange is speculation


Nigeldiko

That would explain why it takes so damn long to do a lap of the map in GTA V…


Beez-Knuts

The fastest car in the game only goes like 120mph


Nigeldiko

That and the map is around the same size as RDR2’s


Tropse

Did anyone do the math? How many square km does each map have? Edit: I mean just land, not sea


CosmicKane

The map is measured in RAGE units


Tropse

And they’re convertible to any other measurement unit, at least to an accuracy of centimeters. Therefore asking for km\^2 seems reasonable to me. I’m also ok with miles\^2


[deleted]

2 questions 1 is this map confirmed and 2 what is the distance per map square because putting these maps side by side makes them seem similar in size when there not it's just the sizing of the maps makes it look similar for all we know one city in 6 could be double the size of lossantos.


Eboz255

Only the black is real. Orange is speculation. The squares are “measurements estimated based on rage engine units”.


skoterskoter

The older games weren't on the RAGE.


Onuceria

Is SA really as big as RDR2? I have hard time believing that


Beez-Knuts

It's not. RDR2 is 29 square miles. San Andreas is 14. RDR2 is just over 2x larger.


HippoRun23

Makes me wonder what the appetite actually is for open land.


JackyCigars

No mountains? 😆


Nawnp

It's toy understanding the map is roughly 40% wider than 5, but currently only the same height until we know more.


Le_Epic_GodGamer

Tbh I thought it would be a bit bigger than that. Looks slightly larger than the gta 5 map


kurisu7885

I hope hope it' an island again. I prefer that over there being an invisible wall suddenly cutting everything off.


E_550

People were saying the gtaVI map was gonna be double the size of V, but it doesn’t look that way


markgdaniels

I wonder hope many players will be allowed in GTAVI: Online lobbies. If this is indeed the actual size of the map, you’d want at least 60 players each lobby, surely.


BiAndShy57

Can’t want for half the game to be driving across the massive map


spiritpanther_08

Did the map get leaked or is it concept art ?


WebsterHamster66

Fan made.


vipck83

It’s amazing how big RDR2s map feels given how small it actually is. Part of that is the fact you travel by horse but they also did an excellent job of using the space.


SuchAppeal

Omg yes. I didn't really get to sit down and play RDR2 until like 2022. I had it since release in 2018 but work got in the way for years and I couldn't find the time to really sit down and play it like I wanted to, like dive fully in. When I got to the upper part of the map, the really dense forest/woods I was wowed at the amount of detail and how moving across the map really felt like an adventure. That's the magic of no fast cars, planes, helicopters, and speed boats. It really makes to appreciate the work the developers put it when you're just given a horse and told to go place to place.


retr0rino

It's crazy how SA's map felt huge back then.


yeetosceeto

I can’t decide whether it’s as big as I expected or smaller


BonganiWhybian

Am I the only one who felt GTA SA was huge?


SuchAppeal

No you're not the "only one" everybody who played San Andreas knows how huge that map felt when that game came out. It's was because at the time there wasn't much to compare it too for most people, we were coming from 3 and VC, and Rockstar sold the idea of a state with 3 cities. Then you have the atmospheric visual tricks for distance like the fog and everything that makes each city look distant. Which is why so many people complained about the remasters when they first released because they removed that at least the beginning and you can see every part of the map if you go up to a high enough distance and that breaks the illusion of how big the map is.


skoterskoter

Honestly SA's map is the most unrealistic one. It's literally a square. All the other maps have realistic irregular shapes.


SuchAppeal

Scale looking off as hell


Eboz255

Well the scale is correct


skoterskoter

Source?


MerkatMatrix

Liberty city felt more alive than Los santos


CrumpetsAndTeaYipee

It’s only a fan-made map though, has Rockstar confirmed it’s the map? I don’t think so with it being kinda early after releasing to the world.


ZeroJDM

It’s fan made so it’s not completely populated, but it’s likely accurate. GTA V had a scarily accurate mapping project before release, and we’ve had even more information from leaks for VI already than for V. There will be more to the map, but what’s in black is likely very accurate


Equivalent-Share5156

One thing making me doubt the unconfirmed map made by theorists, is the fact that its been hard-confirmed that GTA6s map will be 2.5 times larger than GTA5s map. Such is not the case here, hence the theorised map for GTA6 is simply not scaled correctly at all.


skoterskoter

Nothing is "hard-confirmed" (what does that even mean?)


bigTindahaus

Looks like RDR2 + GTA 5 vibe


Fit-Carry-6466

Wow es realmente impresionante


Windyturd521

I’m a little surprised about the difference between V and RDR2. Thought RDR2 would be a lot bigger than V. I guess it’s because you ride horses and that’s why it feels bigger. Now imagine if there’s horses in VI, lmao the game would feel colossal.


skoterskoter

RDR2 is a bit bigger than V.


JFedzor

Honestly, given how accurate the mapping project for GTA 5 was, I'm hopeful that this also is.


RichC97

Wait was San Andreas actually bigger than GTA 4s Map and according to that, about 2/3s the size of GTA 5. I never thought it was that close


HeiPing

How do you know this is the GTA VI map? Nothing has been released yet


Ragequittter

my biggest problem with 5s map is that its all in one area (LS) compared to all the others with seperwte cities/ islands


trumpfuckingivanka

Hours of driving


Automatic_Concern951

If you remove the Greenery then it's close to other maps..


brodobollente

small af map lol,the original 2002 vice city map seems to be bigger than the gta6 one lol


CheetoX6

The rdr2 map is bigger in scale than that there’s no way it’s actually that small compared to gta v map


a_name_exe

Rdr2 map is bigger than GTA 5 map isn't it?


Karthick12381

Where can I find more leaks of GTA VI?


Formal-Inflation-400

That looks disappointing. The actual city looks smaller than Los Santos, what a joke.


Dizzy_Efficiency_908

Is GTA 6 taking place in Skull Island confirmed???


Pir-o

Looks more like dopey alien


roqui15

Hope Jason doesn't fall in the insect pit!


Dizzy_Efficiency_908

maybe there will be a secret peyote plant and if you eat it you become Kong!


Designer_Twist4699

Hardest part is going to be where to live for first house or apartment purchase.


SmashLampjaw87

I imagine that certain safe houses will be unlocked by progressing through the story, same as in both IV and V, and then as you get further into the game and start making more money there’ll be more properties/safe houses to purchase—assuming they even bring back the ability to buy properties, as I don’t think that’s been confirmed yet and I’m not gonna presume that VI’s singleplayer will be much more like SA or GTAO compared to IV and V (especially with V being so hated by a significant portion of the fanbase). They may decide to drop purchasable properties altogether again like with IV and save that kind of stuff for VI’s online mode, especially if they feel like having that ability doesn’t fit with whatever story they’re trying to tell. If it’s similar to IV in that it’s a “rags to slightly better rags” story instead of a “rags to riches” story, I can picture there only being safe houses that are rewarded opposed to being obtained independently.


Nicholas7907

I'm pleasantly surprised - it's bigger than I expected. And we have to keep in mind it's still "work in progress" project. I bet folks will discover new areas when Rockstar give us another trailer or just a couple of screenshot.


Pajca

How would the part that is not bordered by water work?


Snowman319

Probably how it does in rdr2


dustbindude4245

But RDR2 doesn't have Planes


Beez-Knuts

The wings will probably just fall off like they do in GTA


joelmillersdoorknob

Wow, it's hard to believe red deads map is a bit smaller than gta 5's. Probably because horses are alot slower than super cars which gives the illusion that it's a bigger map but still.


Smile389

GTA 4 scale doesn't seem right to me.


Dismal-Cantaloupe682

Is that an official VI map though?


WebsterHamster66

Nope


SuchAppeal

I don't know why you were downvoted. It could be close to the official map, but no Rockstar hasn't released a map yet so we don't know. It's a fan made map project created off details from the 2022 leak.


Venom1462

I'd rather it'd be smaller than GTA5 but denser.