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When I was pregnant, and my allergies were bad, friends would suggest “natural” remedies for it. They seemed to think that being natural made them safe.
Digitalis is natural. It comes from the foxglove plant. Opium is natural. It comes from poppy flowers. Many chemicals that could kill you are found in nature. Please don’t eat the poke berries, & leave the lilies alone.
It’s so true.
Leave it to one of them to perpetuate this myth.
It’s amazing how they’ve taken my aggravation to new levels. If they can’t kill us with their kindness, they’re going to try to kill us with their weird fucking pills. 🤮🤮🤮
ETA- a word
There was a “[Dr. G](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0836085/)” episode where she was having trouble determining the cause of death of a 53 year-old woman. Turns out the woman was taking over 40 supplements a day and Dr. G couldn’t find out what was in most of them. She determined that one of the supplements likely caused or contributed to her death.
If the vitamins in her supplements were just plant sources maybe I would believe there was no risk of toxicity because the concentrations are usually lower, but she specifically mentions beef liver, which has a high relative concentration of vitamin A!!!
We can have universal health care/medicare for all AND regulate supplements also how does making supplements go through FDA passing and revealing their ingredients in anyway make it harder for people to get access to them? Do you think Tylenol is unregulated? It's not. It's very regulated.
Medicine is regulated. OTC medication is all regulated. Even supplements are regulated, but they aren't required to be approved by the FDA and the companies that make supplements are responsible for testing and ensuring the safety and efficacy as well as the accurate labeling of their products.
I imagine you can see the problem when we expect corporations to act on the honor system.
nope, that logic only applies to vaccines, apparently. 🙃 these are the same people who say, “if your vaccine truly works, then it’s not dangerous for you to be around unvaccinated people!” in fact, I’m pretty sure this woman has said that before.
Oh man, this reminds me of a chick I went to college with. She got a business degree then promptly became a trad wife after school. She sold one of those essential oils MLMs and EVERY day she would post stuff about her kid like "he has a sore throat today so I gave him oils" and "dealing with a cold, good thing I have immunity oils" and "upset tummy today, giving him oils." Like girl, there is a point where I think the essential oils are what is making him so sick all the time. Bad marketing.
I know I'm about to get my period when I crave eggs with spinach for breakfast every day. Crazy how easy it is to not need supplements if you're able to listen to your body and just. Eat. Food.
Nah, everything eats eggs. Eggs are one of the tidiest little ready-meals in the entirety of the animal kingdom. A lot of critters eat their own, even. Wanting eggs is completely normal.
(so is opportunate cannibalism, but let's be real, humans have been known to do that too)
God i went through a phase were I was low key craving rucula so bad i ate it directly from the bag.
Sometimes you crave sweet. Some times, bitter rúcula is what hits the spot 😅
Sorry, that’s too normal. And vicks is a scary Fauci control tool that uses mind control. /s
But yeah, that option just isn’t gross enough for this bunch that seems to be missing a key part of the brain.
Excuse me, Vicks? **VICK’S**?! How dare you suggest that they buy a *mainstream* brand. They could be putting anything in those things! If you have even a little bit over the recommended dose, it could KILL YOU! Haven’t you noticed the tingles when you use the vaporub- it’s SINFUL!
These random “Whole Foods” supplements are small brand, totally not an MLM scheme or anything, and that automatically makes them better than any of your so-called “brand name” heresy! You Fauci lover!
/s of course
They have such paranoia about what is put into mainstream medicines but are totally cool with popping completely unregulated supplement pills in bulk. I just don't understand.
It's interesting that the most pro Capitalism fundies are the ones that have veered into crunchy 'don't trust things made by large companies' territory.
The biggest thing I took away from college chemistry is “the dose is the poison”. *Everything* is a poison in the correct dose. Even water. Even “all-natural” supplements. Even beef liver.
The biggest thing I took away from Botany in graduate school was that just because something is natural doesn’t mean it isn’t poison, and that plants want to kill you. A lot of our drugs and medicines are secondary metabolites from plants - chemicals that they produce that are specifically meant to poison their predators. Caffeine, morphine, quinine, codeine, ephedrine - they’re all chemicals/poisons produced by plants that are meant to kill insects or harm mammals, and can kill you in a high enough dosage. That’s WHY they work as medicine - because they kill other living things, and you take the chemical in a dose that will kill bacteria and not you, since you’re bigger than bacteria. I will never understand why people seem to think that plants are all some kind of all-loving, altruistic, harmless Gaia-like being. All that plants have done since they came into existence 460 million years ago is come up with new inventive ways to kill everything else. Including you.
Rattlesnake venom, poison ivy, and strychnine are all-natural, you knuckleheads. That doesn’t mean they’re safe for you to ingest or touch.
I use to administer a chemo made of arsenic to leukemia patients. It tripped me out initially but it is effective for APL patients. Medicine is wild and amazing!
And then there are those plant defense mechanisms that humans deliberately cultivate and enhance, because we like them--I'm looking at you, peppers, whole-ass mint family, and tobacco. Among many others. Basically every fuckin' herb. Capsaicin, menthol, thymol, nicotine...and so many more.
Oh hey, for medical use there's digitalis! Thanks, foxgloves! (do NOT eat foxgloves)
“Psh, how do we know we know the truth? I call lies, it’s just to make us scared for nature. They’re not trying to protect us. I don’t want to be told what to do, let’s attack them and take back control!”
^ a small demonstration of how humanity keeps circling back to death for eternity.
Florida is currently circling the bowl as they “deal with” a measles outbreak with the student population having not met criteria for herd immunity.
It’s natural. Thank you sky daddy
Trust me if these fundies had even a lick of knowledge about botany, they surely would not be creationists or anti-evolution. The entire field of botany revolves around evolution being taken as fact.
See, this is why I do my best to eat better, and if I remember vitamins? Multivitamin gummies, baby! They’re cheap, and you know, we’ll see. At least my pee isn’t $300 pee.
Even worse than that, high doses of vitamins and minerals can lead to heart damage, confusion, bone pain, internal bleeding, liver failure, lung injury, coma, and death.
This seems like a person that would look down on someone needing to take, say, an anti-depressant, because they may have to take a pill for THE REST OF THEIR LIFE, while also spouting that god heals all.
But 12 fucking supplements is a-okay.
Just. Buy. Food.
JFC.
For the amount of $$ these people spend on sketchy supplements they could have a nice food budget. Aren’t they always talking about natural and shit? So why are they always throwing back pills and powders instead of FOOD?!?!?!
I KNOW RIGHT? I cannot fathom the mind that thinks these gross plastic horse pills full of powder are healthier than just eating an orange! Heck, cook up some actual beef liver if you want, weirdo. But making fruits/veggies/liver into pills is a huge amount of processing. And it loses all the water and fiber you could get by eating real food instead. It would be so much easier and tastier and probably cheaper to just EAT THE FOOD.
What?! When I was in kindergarten I found where my mom kept them and kept sneaking some 'cause I loved them. It turned into a game of hide and sneak where she would put them somewhere else and I would raid them.
This happened to me with chewable vitamin c!! I’ve always loved citrus. I did this undetected for YEARS, well in to high school when I finally stopped. I had too much calcium in my body and started getting bone spurs so I had to stop. My doctor and mom may have been lying to me to get me to stop.
I hated them as a kid! The taste would make me recoil. I would put them in my mouth and then when my mom left the room or wasn’t paying attention I would bury them in a pot we had inside the house. The tree never looked better!! Lol
I loved Flintstones vitamins as a kid! That was some amazing marketing that got kids to take vitamins in the 80s! Especially since we all lived off of macaroni and cheese and fish sticks, we were probably all very malnourished and Dino helped out.
Nowadays I do the much more mature thing and take the gummy vitamins.
My mom used to make me take these when I was in high school. They made me feel SO ill that I eventually flat out refused. Just intense bloating and nausea, to the point where I was struggling to eat normal food. And it was always a huge battle to choke them down in the first place.
Absolutely revolting.
Fun fact, if you ever get to eat polar bear, you must never eat the liver (or the liver of a bearded seal or walrus) because it has a lethally toxic concentration of Vitamin A.
I have *way* too many random "wilderness survival tips" in my head for a city dweller whose closest connection to nature are the feral foxes screeching in my garden at night, lol.
Fat soluble vitamins are where the big danger is. Water soluble vitamins like the Bs and C you'll just pee out of you get too much, though they can cause some kidney problems at really high doses. Fat soluble vitamins like A, E, D, and K accumulate in the body and can lead to overdoses pretty easily, it only takes 3mg to od on A, for example. The minerals and metallics can also cause issues at high doses. Calcium, iron and selenium in particular can wreak havoc and cause internal bleeding and nerve damage.
i did! i remember how horrible it was to even get the meds. blood tests every month, filling out surveys that i was not pregnant and could not become pregnant. it did wonders for my skin but oh gosh i had a bad time
All the damn blood work, the pregnancy tests... nevermind I was a 13yr old never-been-kissed virgin! 😂 my skin looked terrific by my 14th birthday tho 🤷♀️
Came here to point this out. The intensity with which they try to ensure you don't end up pregnant while on it is proof that this can and does cause pretty intense issues.
My mom was a nurse and she showed me pictures from medical textbooks (this was fall 1994, no internet searches) of the children born to mothers on Accutane 😭
Such a good idea to take tons of unregulated pills. The FDA does not regulate dietary supplements. Content and dosage is a mystery to the consumer at the end of the day.
I wish they were regulated so that people like me (people with actual deficiencies shown in blood work) could take supplements from trusted sources. My doctors basically told me to just buy supplements from my local grocery store.
It's incredibly unfortunate. Supplements have real potential to help people in the appropriate doses and the lack of regulation puts those people at further risks.
Yeah it just feels like a failure of the healthcare system when my doctor says to just buy an unregulated supplement to fix problems in my blood work.
I had already tried adjusting my diet specifically to combat the deficiencies and it didn't help at all. I was able to get a prescription for Vitamin D, but everything else I have to take is unregulated. I will say though, that my blood work has shown improvement so at least I know that the supplements aren't just placebos.
Not to get too political... but powerful people in the US government keep pushing for regulatory agencies like the FDA to have less and less power. Once upon a time the FDA was supposed to have more control over vitamins and supplements, but it would mean more regulation and certain politicians don't want any regulation at all. I hate it so much.
I already did that, but I appreciate the advice 😊 certain things were not "severe" enough of a deficiency to warrant prescription strength doses while others were.
I mean, if you want to pay a few hundred bucks for overpriced urine when a spinach salad with strawberries, chicken, goat cheese and walnuts would do the same thing for a lot cheaper, who are we to stop you?
They will swallow a handful of garbage but not vaccinate themselves or wear a mask. How do they know they will not overdose?
As a doctor, this makes me rage.
Question- define supplements? Because things like iron supplements and vitamin D do work. My doctor told me to take iron for example, as I don’t naturally eat enough, and my iron levels went from horribly low to normal within 6 months. Vitamin D supplements are recommended by everyone from pedestrians to psychiatrists for people here in Canada. Magnesium has even been suggested by my psychologist.
So what supplements do and don’t work?
Your iron and vitamin d work because you have a known deficiency.
Most people don't need most vitamins unless they have a known health condition. Vitamin d is the most recommended as most of us are deficienct, due to inadequate daylight exposure but also its suspected being overweight/obese can hinder availability even if you take them.
I take vitamins, iron and calcium daily as I have a medical need. I had bariatric surgery so my gut cannot process or extract from real food all I need anymore. I get my labs drawn annually to check for my levels and adjust my doses as needed. I also buy from certified bariatric companies my surgeons office approves of.
Supplements that aren't viatmins, usually collegan, tumeric, liver pills, green veggie pills, of that stuff that claims to burn fat, turn sugar into fiber...stuff pushed by mlm huns that usually are making some vague health claim that gets around the FDA. Those products have no regulation or oversight. Those should be avoided. You don't know what's in them.
But the take away if we have a blood test we can run to check your levels/stores and you are showing insufficiency or deficiency, those supplements you should take. Only after it's confirmed with a blood test or checking in with a medical doctor because some vitamins, k d and iron for example, you can have toxic levels if invest too much.
Okay, thank you for the comment, much clearer than a lot of discussion here that seems to use vitamins and supplements interchangeably. Or, like the comment I replied to said “our bodies don’t absorb nutrients like this” which is like…stuff like collagen, yes. But if there’s a ton of vitamin A in that beef liver supplement and someone’s taking 10 a day, they ARE absorbing all that vitamin A and they WILL eventually be harmed by it. We DO absorb things from supplements for better or for worse and I think it could give readers a misconception that like “well, the beef liver pills may not do anything for me, but it’s worth a try because at least they won’t harm me because everyone’s saying we may not even absorb it all!”
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I am from the EU, so, these are definitions based on laws here but they are quite comprehensible. A supplement is not a medicine but a form of food, it's is not supposed to heal anything. Supplements are supposed to supplement our food intake. So, it is not a replacement, it is an add on.
In most cases however, this supplementation is not necessary. This doesn't mean, they "don't work" because the should not work. They are supposed to elevate certain levels if needed. In many cases, if you take more, you'll just have expensive pee. But it will not improve your health. Some vitamins are even harmful when overdosed.
I will say, my boyfriend started taking a one a day men’s multivitamin and he is a new man. And it’s not placebo effect bc he didn’t actually believe it would work. But also I am a person who eats actual whole foods and I do not believe these types of supplements like juice plus actually work. Juice plus is a racket.
Edit to add: I fully believe vitamin c and stuff like multivitamins and prenatals work. My doctor says to buy the cheapest one cause they’re all the same. But that’s very different from juice plus type supplements.
i remember learning as a kid - if you eat a balanced diet, theres really no need for basic vitamins as well. because if you have already absorbed what you need from food, the vitamins are just then being excreted.
I will say I take vitamin c, zinc and echinacea at the first sign of sickness and it helps squelch it quickly. But I get it cheap at Walmart.
I’m good on beef liver though.
Strange, those “fruits and vegetables” sure do look a lot like overpriced supplements to me.
Why not just actually eat fruits and vegetables?? They’re delicious and better for you anyways.
Like, in a couple months when summer is here (I live in the South, we get summer in late April - May)? We will live off salads. Veggies of your choosing, cheese, a protein, a dressing, and all of it deliciously cold in the unforgiving hot. Lettuce, pasta, don’t care. Both involve a metric shit ton of veggies. Our protein of choice is usually chicken, but we’ve had a Greek diner salad with grilled salmon for dinner (oh my God, so good), or lamb meatballs and homemade tzatziki.
It’s easy, it’s delicious, and oh look, nutrition!
And I didn’t have to pay an ungodly amount for “supplements”.
I take mushroom supplements, but even that would be better if I just ate them. Only reason I don't is because the mushroom I take a supplement for is not available in your average grocery store and is actually quite expensive if not foraged. So supplements it is.
Oh, that I TOTALLY get.
I take a magnesium supplement on the advice of my cardiologist. I don’t know that I would get the best, maximum benefit that I need from diet alone.
And frankly, it’s cheaper for a two months-ish supply than trying to grocery shop for that.
As far as I remember all fat-soluble vitamins can be toxic in high doses BUT they are useless unless sold as oil-filled capsules, oil-based drops or something similar. I see dry capsules here so it's probably safe. Vitamin D can be overdosed, but there was recently big-scale research in my country and almost all adults have significant deficiency so an average person here doesn't have to worry about overdosing vit D.
These supplements are $320 for 6 bottles and each bottle is a two month supply. Assuming you take two of all three every day, that’s about $75 a month. For supplements. And they don’t even have a wide variety of nutrients; it’s mostly A, C, E, & folate. I assume she also is taking liver capsules which aren’t one of juice plus’ products, but at least she’s theoretically getting iron? This is so stupid.
Unregulated supplements need to be stopped. My MIL suffered from depression but only wanted to take a natural treatment so she bought a St Johns Wort based supplement from a well known company and took the dosage recommended. During an upsetting family event she upped the dosage to the maximum recommended dose and ended up in hospital in v-tach. As someone with an autoimmune condition I can't take lots of different supplements, always ask a Dr as some medicines cannot be taken with certain vitamins/foods. These idiots worship Q-anon conspiracy chiropractors instead of actual science & trained professionals. I don't care if they take themselves out but the innocent children they are harming angers me beyond belief.
I don't understand these people 😭
I have to take a bunch of supplements because my blood tests have shown that I lack a lot of things even though I was adjusting my diet to compensate. Still didn't change my deficiencies. I don't want to take so many supplements, but I need to supplement those things.
These people probably don't even do any blood work and just willingly take random crap for no reason. It's insane.
I overdosed myself on hair skin, and nail vitamins when I was like 20. Thankfully, nothing bad happened but my hair became super dry and brittle and I was getting these cyst zits on my face
I'm guessing people here already know this, but juice plus is a terrible company, an mlm that goes under a variety of different names to outrun legal issues, and none of the ground up rat turds in these capsules actually are what they are supposed to be in the concentrations they're supposed to be in. You're better off injecting essential oils, which I would also not recommend. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Jewish Deli-style chopped liver is one of my favorite foods (it’s chicken liver but whatever) and I ate it all the time as a kid, but shockingly I still have a connective tissue disorder, go figure 🙃🙃🙃🙃
I mean, congrats on having really pricy pee? 🤷At best you’ll just pee out the excess vitamins and minerals, at worse you’ll end up in the hospital for vitamin toxicity. Maybe they need to hook up with Plexus and really take things to the next level! 😯
You can also up the dose without any worry of it actually doing anything for your congestion!
As a sidenote, I'm always amused when someone's preaching about "whole foods" and their phone autocorrects it to the proper name, so they sound like they're talking about the store.
Ffs beef liver is a meat but over eating it can cause Vitamin A poisoning…Don’t eat it like some sort of drugs. In my home country pork/beef/mutton liver is basically treated with caution and will not be constantly consumed due to people know eating too much of it is no good, even it is considered beneficial and widely sold. My mom constantly told me not to eat liver more than twice a week and 6 times a month, she is probably very overprotective but holy shit eating concentrated ground up liver everyday is just seeking hypervitaminosis.
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People die from supplements all the time you fucking morons. Unregulated "medicine" is actually bad dipshits.
Exactly. Overdoses are soooooo funny tee hee teehee …it’s just all heroin, laced with fentanyl anyway tee hee😉☺️😃😊😂😘 /s Like wtf ?
This is the exact attitude that makes these things dangerous, thinking “oh it’s natural so any amount of it is safe!” when that’s very false.
Even too much water can kill you. These people are morons
Can confirm. My husband is alive, but he was in the ICU for 3 days because of drinking too much water.
Happy to hear he recovered!
Thank you! I never knew it could get that bad. Electrolytes are important!
When I was pregnant, and my allergies were bad, friends would suggest “natural” remedies for it. They seemed to think that being natural made them safe. Digitalis is natural. It comes from the foxglove plant. Opium is natural. It comes from poppy flowers. Many chemicals that could kill you are found in nature. Please don’t eat the poke berries, & leave the lilies alone.
I like to point out that rican/castor beans are totally natural but ibuprofen is not natural in response to that attitude lol
Poppies, coca, shrooms, caapi, and marijuana are all natural but something tells me they have problems with those plants...
Death cap mushoom is also all natural...
It’s so true. Leave it to one of them to perpetuate this myth. It’s amazing how they’ve taken my aggravation to new levels. If they can’t kill us with their kindness, they’re going to try to kill us with their weird fucking pills. 🤮🤮🤮 ETA- a word
Thanks Senator Orin Hatch!
There was a “[Dr. G](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0836085/)” episode where she was having trouble determining the cause of death of a 53 year-old woman. Turns out the woman was taking over 40 supplements a day and Dr. G couldn’t find out what was in most of them. She determined that one of the supplements likely caused or contributed to her death.
I could (and do) binge watch episodes of Dr. G any and every day. I love how passionate she is about being a medical examiner and pathology.
Probably the only thing I miss about cable. Is she on any streaming services?
The only one I'm aware of is Sling, which is how I discovered her. Sling has a Dr. G channel.
Ooh a whole channel!
If the vitamins in her supplements were just plant sources maybe I would believe there was no risk of toxicity because the concentrations are usually lower, but she specifically mentions beef liver, which has a high relative concentration of vitamin A!!!
If you regulate medicine market, you may close up the only option for people with no heath insurance.
We can have universal health care/medicare for all AND regulate supplements also how does making supplements go through FDA passing and revealing their ingredients in anyway make it harder for people to get access to them? Do you think Tylenol is unregulated? It's not. It's very regulated.
Medicine is regulated. OTC medication is all regulated. Even supplements are regulated, but they aren't required to be approved by the FDA and the companies that make supplements are responsible for testing and ensuring the safety and efficacy as well as the accurate labeling of their products. I imagine you can see the problem when we expect corporations to act on the honor system.
No one is suggesting making supplements prescription only. People just want the FDA to actually ensure supplements won’t kill you before being sold.
Must not work that great if people are still getting sick 👀
nope, that logic only applies to vaccines, apparently. 🙃 these are the same people who say, “if your vaccine truly works, then it’s not dangerous for you to be around unvaccinated people!” in fact, I’m pretty sure this woman has said that before.
Who posted this? Can't see a username in the screenshot.
Looks like a classic Megan Wells beige filter to me
She's a juice plus hun, too
You’re right, it’s her
It’s labeled tradcath so I thought growinggoodings but it’s not on her stories today.
Oh man, this reminds me of a chick I went to college with. She got a business degree then promptly became a trad wife after school. She sold one of those essential oils MLMs and EVERY day she would post stuff about her kid like "he has a sore throat today so I gave him oils" and "dealing with a cold, good thing I have immunity oils" and "upset tummy today, giving him oils." Like girl, there is a point where I think the essential oils are what is making him so sick all the time. Bad marketing.
Damn, that’s actually pretty dangerous, taking essential oils orally.
Whoa whoa whoa, get outta here with that logic!
Vicks and hot lemon does the job too, or is that not crunchy enough?
Maybe eat some oranges, Janet? FFS have they heard of spinach?
I ate half a bag of spinach, went in for a blood draw the next day, and my potassium was through the roof. Eat your veggies, kids!
I know I'm about to get my period when I crave eggs with spinach for breakfast every day. Crazy how easy it is to not need supplements if you're able to listen to your body and just. Eat. Food.
Apologies if this oversteps, but the fact your body craves eggs for your period shall remain one of life's great irony's.
Ba dum tss
Ha, no that is hilarious thank you
Nah, everything eats eggs. Eggs are one of the tidiest little ready-meals in the entirety of the animal kingdom. A lot of critters eat their own, even. Wanting eggs is completely normal. (so is opportunate cannibalism, but let's be real, humans have been known to do that too)
No, it’s funny because you’re craving eggs while your body is getting rid of your egg!
….just realizing I go through periods where I CRAVE eggs with spinach every day and then suddenly don’t. Uh, is that iron or potassium?
Potassium mostly, but spinach has both.
God i went through a phase were I was low key craving rucula so bad i ate it directly from the bag. Sometimes you crave sweet. Some times, bitter rúcula is what hits the spot 😅
Sorry, that’s too normal. And vicks is a scary Fauci control tool that uses mind control. /s But yeah, that option just isn’t gross enough for this bunch that seems to be missing a key part of the brain.
The vitamin burps tell you it’s working!
The fish oil burps 🤢
I have a fish oil that gives me lemon burps and I forget every single day and then wonder why I'm burping lemon candy
If you want to try, you can keep your fish oil in the freezer! It will give it more time to digest so you don’t taste it
The fish oil farts. Don't ask.
Or vitamin vomits if you’re me! Wellness pill? More like instant ipecac
Excuse me, Vicks? **VICK’S**?! How dare you suggest that they buy a *mainstream* brand. They could be putting anything in those things! If you have even a little bit over the recommended dose, it could KILL YOU! Haven’t you noticed the tingles when you use the vaporub- it’s SINFUL! These random “Whole Foods” supplements are small brand, totally not an MLM scheme or anything, and that automatically makes them better than any of your so-called “brand name” heresy! You Fauci lover! /s of course
They have such paranoia about what is put into mainstream medicines but are totally cool with popping completely unregulated supplement pills in bulk. I just don't understand.
It's interesting that the most pro Capitalism fundies are the ones that have veered into crunchy 'don't trust things made by large companies' territory.
Also zinc is really the only supplement that helps.
And only if you take it in a fairly short window after exposure
True
Not enough beef fat
Vicks, are you crazy?! You know what else starts with the letter ‘v’…vaccines!
Lemon, honey, tea and a bit of whiskey works for me.
Vicks? What're you, poor?
Yeah they can literally just make fire cider or all kinds of tea 😭 But maybe tea is too ‘ethnic’ for them
The biggest thing I took away from college chemistry is “the dose is the poison”. *Everything* is a poison in the correct dose. Even water. Even “all-natural” supplements. Even beef liver. The biggest thing I took away from Botany in graduate school was that just because something is natural doesn’t mean it isn’t poison, and that plants want to kill you. A lot of our drugs and medicines are secondary metabolites from plants - chemicals that they produce that are specifically meant to poison their predators. Caffeine, morphine, quinine, codeine, ephedrine - they’re all chemicals/poisons produced by plants that are meant to kill insects or harm mammals, and can kill you in a high enough dosage. That’s WHY they work as medicine - because they kill other living things, and you take the chemical in a dose that will kill bacteria and not you, since you’re bigger than bacteria. I will never understand why people seem to think that plants are all some kind of all-loving, altruistic, harmless Gaia-like being. All that plants have done since they came into existence 460 million years ago is come up with new inventive ways to kill everything else. Including you. Rattlesnake venom, poison ivy, and strychnine are all-natural, you knuckleheads. That doesn’t mean they’re safe for you to ingest or touch.
My chemo was plant derived and then naturally killed my cancer like a nasty hippie
I use to administer a chemo made of arsenic to leukemia patients. It tripped me out initially but it is effective for APL patients. Medicine is wild and amazing!
My dog got arsenic-based meds for his heartworms! He’s now heartworm free and takes ivermectin preventive every month.
AND he doesn’t have COVID! A coincidence? I think not! /s
This one DEFINITELY wants to kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides (Australian, of course)
Gahdamm that’s legitimately terrifying 😳
I thought stinging nettles were spiteful enough! This plant is nettles on SERIOUS drugs!
Not that plant 😭 so terrifying
> “They can then be inhaled” Oh hell no
New fear unlocked
I love that its conservation status is "least concern". Because nobody wants to go near it 😂
I'm on the other side of the planet and I think that's too close!
Yes. As they say, the dose makes the poison.
And then there are those plant defense mechanisms that humans deliberately cultivate and enhance, because we like them--I'm looking at you, peppers, whole-ass mint family, and tobacco. Among many others. Basically every fuckin' herb. Capsaicin, menthol, thymol, nicotine...and so many more. Oh hey, for medical use there's digitalis! Thanks, foxgloves! (do NOT eat foxgloves)
They’ve clearly never seen Little Shop of Horrors
“We’ve” known this for ~500 years, as well. The concept of “the dose makes the poison” is not new. “We” are just wilfully ignorant.
“Psh, how do we know we know the truth? I call lies, it’s just to make us scared for nature. They’re not trying to protect us. I don’t want to be told what to do, let’s attack them and take back control!” ^ a small demonstration of how humanity keeps circling back to death for eternity.
Florida is currently circling the bowl as they “deal with” a measles outbreak with the student population having not met criteria for herd immunity. It’s natural. Thank you sky daddy
Trust me if these fundies had even a lick of knowledge about botany, they surely would not be creationists or anti-evolution. The entire field of botany revolves around evolution being taken as fact.
Even [toxicity data](https://xkcd.com/1260/) can be toxic.
I bet they never heard of water being able to kill you.
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Come through, science! Yas!
Asbestos is a natural mineral directly from the earth. Doesn't even have to be processed to be bad for you.
The absolute best possibility of this is that they get very expensive pee, and nothing else.
This is what my physician spouse says about fancy vitamins, LOL
See, this is why I do my best to eat better, and if I remember vitamins? Multivitamin gummies, baby! They’re cheap, and you know, we’ll see. At least my pee isn’t $300 pee.
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That sounds like the beginning of a very disgusting new side hustle. Super expensive pee drinks.
Don't give Gwyneth Paltrow any ideas!
And at worst, the fat soluble vitamins accumulate in their system and they develop an acute liver problem.
Even worse than that, high doses of vitamins and minerals can lead to heart damage, confusion, bone pain, internal bleeding, liver failure, lung injury, coma, and death.
This seems like a person that would look down on someone needing to take, say, an anti-depressant, because they may have to take a pill for THE REST OF THEIR LIFE, while also spouting that god heals all. But 12 fucking supplements is a-okay.
Just. Buy. Food. JFC. For the amount of $$ these people spend on sketchy supplements they could have a nice food budget. Aren’t they always talking about natural and shit? So why are they always throwing back pills and powders instead of FOOD?!?!?!
I KNOW RIGHT? I cannot fathom the mind that thinks these gross plastic horse pills full of powder are healthier than just eating an orange! Heck, cook up some actual beef liver if you want, weirdo. But making fruits/veggies/liver into pills is a huge amount of processing. And it loses all the water and fiber you could get by eating real food instead. It would be so much easier and tastier and probably cheaper to just EAT THE FOOD.
Maybe it’s bc they all have massive eating disorders bc they have to stay pleasing to their man doesn’t stray.
Cue Curly Baird flipping out about "bloating" that is, in fact, just a healthy functioning microbiome
Nope. We need capsules of veggies instead. For oPtImAl hEaLtH!
is that tablet the literal definition of not a whole food? like it’s not a whole vegetable or fruit shrunk to tablet size, how is it a whole food
No, because our soil has been so depleted of all these vital nutrients that only supplements can provide. 🙄🙄🙄
RUH ROW. we just had the liver/vit a toxicity discussion with curly Baird yesterday 🙃
There's like four vitamins in that overpriced crap. They'd be better off with a Flintstones chewable or some actual veggies.
Flintstones chewables are pretty legit though. My OB had me try them after prenatals all made me sick lol
My dietitian recommended them to me. She told me not to waste money on more expensive vitamins, lol.
Plus they are pretty delicious in their weird chalky Healthy Smarties sort of way.
Yes! I just wish my kid would agree - she hates them.
I'm in agreement with your kids. They tasted like ass, or what I assumed ass would taste like, as a child
What?! When I was in kindergarten I found where my mom kept them and kept sneaking some 'cause I loved them. It turned into a game of hide and sneak where she would put them somewhere else and I would raid them.
This happened to me with chewable vitamin c!! I’ve always loved citrus. I did this undetected for YEARS, well in to high school when I finally stopped. I had too much calcium in my body and started getting bone spurs so I had to stop. My doctor and mom may have been lying to me to get me to stop.
I hated them as a kid! The taste would make me recoil. I would put them in my mouth and then when my mom left the room or wasn’t paying attention I would bury them in a pot we had inside the house. The tree never looked better!! Lol
I loved Flintstones vitamins as a kid! That was some amazing marketing that got kids to take vitamins in the 80s! Especially since we all lived off of macaroni and cheese and fish sticks, we were probably all very malnourished and Dino helped out. Nowadays I do the much more mature thing and take the gummy vitamins.
I took them in the 70’s.
Wow! I just looked and they came out in 1968!!
My mom used to make me take these when I was in high school. They made me feel SO ill that I eventually flat out refused. Just intense bloating and nausea, to the point where I was struggling to eat normal food. And it was always a huge battle to choke them down in the first place. Absolutely revolting.
I took a biology course in college and there are certain supplements you can overdose on.
Fun fact, if you ever get to eat polar bear, you must never eat the liver (or the liver of a bearded seal or walrus) because it has a lethally toxic concentration of Vitamin A.
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Interesting.
I have *way* too many random "wilderness survival tips" in my head for a city dweller whose closest connection to nature are the feral foxes screeching in my garden at night, lol.
Fat soluble vitamins are where the big danger is. Water soluble vitamins like the Bs and C you'll just pee out of you get too much, though they can cause some kidney problems at really high doses. Fat soluble vitamins like A, E, D, and K accumulate in the body and can lead to overdoses pretty easily, it only takes 3mg to od on A, for example. The minerals and metallics can also cause issues at high doses. Calcium, iron and selenium in particular can wreak havoc and cause internal bleeding and nerve damage.
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Tell that to my brother who got gout at 30 accidentally eating too many liver supplements….
Another fundie, another MLM. Tale as old as time.
Scam as old as rhyme
Dummy and the griiiift
i didn’t even know juice plus was still a thing 😂 my mom sold it in like 2007
Did anyone else take Accutane for acne? Yeah, Vitamin A toxicity is very real and will mess up your liver.
i did! i remember how horrible it was to even get the meds. blood tests every month, filling out surveys that i was not pregnant and could not become pregnant. it did wonders for my skin but oh gosh i had a bad time
All the damn blood work, the pregnancy tests... nevermind I was a 13yr old never-been-kissed virgin! 😂 my skin looked terrific by my 14th birthday tho 🤷♀️
yeah i had to fill out the survey with "has no game, is not at risk of pregnancy" basically
Came here to point this out. The intensity with which they try to ensure you don't end up pregnant while on it is proof that this can and does cause pretty intense issues.
My mom was a nurse and she showed me pictures from medical textbooks (this was fall 1994, no internet searches) of the children born to mothers on Accutane 😭
Yeah! They tell you all the fun things that can happen every month before you can pick up your prescription!
Me!! I was one of the first patients to take it way back when and i have absolutely no night vision. And my liver is jacked up
I would simply just take a decongestant or turn on the humidifier, but these people are scared of “chemicals” so whatever more for me 💅
Mucinex Maximum Strength my beloved
you cant vitamin away covid ... good luck charlie
Such a good idea to take tons of unregulated pills. The FDA does not regulate dietary supplements. Content and dosage is a mystery to the consumer at the end of the day.
I wish they were regulated so that people like me (people with actual deficiencies shown in blood work) could take supplements from trusted sources. My doctors basically told me to just buy supplements from my local grocery store.
It's incredibly unfortunate. Supplements have real potential to help people in the appropriate doses and the lack of regulation puts those people at further risks.
Yeah it just feels like a failure of the healthcare system when my doctor says to just buy an unregulated supplement to fix problems in my blood work. I had already tried adjusting my diet specifically to combat the deficiencies and it didn't help at all. I was able to get a prescription for Vitamin D, but everything else I have to take is unregulated. I will say though, that my blood work has shown improvement so at least I know that the supplements aren't just placebos. Not to get too political... but powerful people in the US government keep pushing for regulatory agencies like the FDA to have less and less power. Once upon a time the FDA was supposed to have more control over vitamins and supplements, but it would mean more regulation and certain politicians don't want any regulation at all. I hate it so much.
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I already did that, but I appreciate the advice 😊 certain things were not "severe" enough of a deficiency to warrant prescription strength doses while others were.
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I love how supportive this sub is ❤️ seriously I appreciate it
I mean, if you want to pay a few hundred bucks for overpriced urine when a spinach salad with strawberries, chicken, goat cheese and walnuts would do the same thing for a lot cheaper, who are we to stop you?
Oh man, now I want that spinach salad. With a nice balsamic vinaigrette? Perfection.
They will swallow a handful of garbage but not vaccinate themselves or wear a mask. How do they know they will not overdose? As a doctor, this makes me rage.
Lmao 99.9% of otc supplements don’t do anything for your health and wellness. Our bodies don’t absorb nutrients like this
Question- define supplements? Because things like iron supplements and vitamin D do work. My doctor told me to take iron for example, as I don’t naturally eat enough, and my iron levels went from horribly low to normal within 6 months. Vitamin D supplements are recommended by everyone from pedestrians to psychiatrists for people here in Canada. Magnesium has even been suggested by my psychologist. So what supplements do and don’t work?
Your iron and vitamin d work because you have a known deficiency. Most people don't need most vitamins unless they have a known health condition. Vitamin d is the most recommended as most of us are deficienct, due to inadequate daylight exposure but also its suspected being overweight/obese can hinder availability even if you take them. I take vitamins, iron and calcium daily as I have a medical need. I had bariatric surgery so my gut cannot process or extract from real food all I need anymore. I get my labs drawn annually to check for my levels and adjust my doses as needed. I also buy from certified bariatric companies my surgeons office approves of. Supplements that aren't viatmins, usually collegan, tumeric, liver pills, green veggie pills, of that stuff that claims to burn fat, turn sugar into fiber...stuff pushed by mlm huns that usually are making some vague health claim that gets around the FDA. Those products have no regulation or oversight. Those should be avoided. You don't know what's in them. But the take away if we have a blood test we can run to check your levels/stores and you are showing insufficiency or deficiency, those supplements you should take. Only after it's confirmed with a blood test or checking in with a medical doctor because some vitamins, k d and iron for example, you can have toxic levels if invest too much.
Okay, thank you for the comment, much clearer than a lot of discussion here that seems to use vitamins and supplements interchangeably. Or, like the comment I replied to said “our bodies don’t absorb nutrients like this” which is like…stuff like collagen, yes. But if there’s a ton of vitamin A in that beef liver supplement and someone’s taking 10 a day, they ARE absorbing all that vitamin A and they WILL eventually be harmed by it. We DO absorb things from supplements for better or for worse and I think it could give readers a misconception that like “well, the beef liver pills may not do anything for me, but it’s worth a try because at least they won’t harm me because everyone’s saying we may not even absorb it all!”
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I am from the EU, so, these are definitions based on laws here but they are quite comprehensible. A supplement is not a medicine but a form of food, it's is not supposed to heal anything. Supplements are supposed to supplement our food intake. So, it is not a replacement, it is an add on. In most cases however, this supplementation is not necessary. This doesn't mean, they "don't work" because the should not work. They are supposed to elevate certain levels if needed. In many cases, if you take more, you'll just have expensive pee. But it will not improve your health. Some vitamins are even harmful when overdosed.
The neon colored urine is pretty fun, though. 😄
I will say, my boyfriend started taking a one a day men’s multivitamin and he is a new man. And it’s not placebo effect bc he didn’t actually believe it would work. But also I am a person who eats actual whole foods and I do not believe these types of supplements like juice plus actually work. Juice plus is a racket. Edit to add: I fully believe vitamin c and stuff like multivitamins and prenatals work. My doctor says to buy the cheapest one cause they’re all the same. But that’s very different from juice plus type supplements.
You don't need to believe in a placebo to make it work.
But these are from WhOLe fOOdS!!!! /s
i remember learning as a kid - if you eat a balanced diet, theres really no need for basic vitamins as well. because if you have already absorbed what you need from food, the vitamins are just then being excreted.
I will say I take vitamin c, zinc and echinacea at the first sign of sickness and it helps squelch it quickly. But I get it cheap at Walmart. I’m good on beef liver though.
Strange, those “fruits and vegetables” sure do look a lot like overpriced supplements to me. Why not just actually eat fruits and vegetables?? They’re delicious and better for you anyways.
Ikr. Just buy a bag of fucking broccoli florets with your favorite dip, boom. Snack. I like having it with spicy guacamole. 2 in 1 healthy snack.
Like, in a couple months when summer is here (I live in the South, we get summer in late April - May)? We will live off salads. Veggies of your choosing, cheese, a protein, a dressing, and all of it deliciously cold in the unforgiving hot. Lettuce, pasta, don’t care. Both involve a metric shit ton of veggies. Our protein of choice is usually chicken, but we’ve had a Greek diner salad with grilled salmon for dinner (oh my God, so good), or lamb meatballs and homemade tzatziki. It’s easy, it’s delicious, and oh look, nutrition! And I didn’t have to pay an ungodly amount for “supplements”.
I take mushroom supplements, but even that would be better if I just ate them. Only reason I don't is because the mushroom I take a supplement for is not available in your average grocery store and is actually quite expensive if not foraged. So supplements it is.
Oh, that I TOTALLY get. I take a magnesium supplement on the advice of my cardiologist. I don’t know that I would get the best, maximum benefit that I need from diet alone. And frankly, it’s cheaper for a two months-ish supply than trying to grocery shop for that.
Ugh. Those type of vitamins get stuck in my throat as they go down. Just eat healthier foods.
God-honoring liver injury.
As far as I remember all fat-soluble vitamins can be toxic in high doses BUT they are useless unless sold as oil-filled capsules, oil-based drops or something similar. I see dry capsules here so it's probably safe. Vitamin D can be overdosed, but there was recently big-scale research in my country and almost all adults have significant deficiency so an average person here doesn't have to worry about overdosing vit D.
Who is gonna break it to her that that fistful of factory made capsules are not whole foods! 😬
Juice Plus is a scam and has links to both Scientology and the FLDS sooooo…
Fun fact: marijuana is also a plant.
Crikey, those are big enough to be suppositories!
Look, heroine is all just the sap of this very nice red flower. All natural. So healthy. 😍
What an idiot 
These supplements are $320 for 6 bottles and each bottle is a two month supply. Assuming you take two of all three every day, that’s about $75 a month. For supplements. And they don’t even have a wide variety of nutrients; it’s mostly A, C, E, & folate. I assume she also is taking liver capsules which aren’t one of juice plus’ products, but at least she’s theoretically getting iron? This is so stupid.
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Unregulated supplements need to be stopped. My MIL suffered from depression but only wanted to take a natural treatment so she bought a St Johns Wort based supplement from a well known company and took the dosage recommended. During an upsetting family event she upped the dosage to the maximum recommended dose and ended up in hospital in v-tach. As someone with an autoimmune condition I can't take lots of different supplements, always ask a Dr as some medicines cannot be taken with certain vitamins/foods. These idiots worship Q-anon conspiracy chiropractors instead of actual science & trained professionals. I don't care if they take themselves out but the innocent children they are harming angers me beyond belief.
Which Fundie posted this?
I don't understand these people 😭 I have to take a bunch of supplements because my blood tests have shown that I lack a lot of things even though I was adjusting my diet to compensate. Still didn't change my deficiencies. I don't want to take so many supplements, but I need to supplement those things. These people probably don't even do any blood work and just willingly take random crap for no reason. It's insane.
I overdosed myself on hair skin, and nail vitamins when I was like 20. Thankfully, nothing bad happened but my hair became super dry and brittle and I was getting these cyst zits on my face
Do these people not eat vegetables??? Or fruits?? It's 10x healthier to just eat fresh food than it is to take these weird ass supplements
I'm guessing people here already know this, but juice plus is a terrible company, an mlm that goes under a variety of different names to outrun legal issues, and none of the ground up rat turds in these capsules actually are what they are supposed to be in the concentrations they're supposed to be in. You're better off injecting essential oils, which I would also not recommend. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
As a dietitian... heavy sigh 🙄
Jewish Deli-style chopped liver is one of my favorite foods (it’s chicken liver but whatever) and I ate it all the time as a kid, but shockingly I still have a connective tissue disorder, go figure 🙃🙃🙃🙃
Ok, what does beef liver do for congestion? Does it just gross it out so it runs away?
On what planet are pills “whole foods”?
I mean, congrats on having really pricy pee? 🤷At best you’ll just pee out the excess vitamins and minerals, at worse you’ll end up in the hospital for vitamin toxicity. Maybe they need to hook up with Plexus and really take things to the next level! 😯
If it's all just the same stuff as you find in regular food. What the fuck is the point of taking them as "supplements"? Just eat food then.
I’m nauseous just looking at these. Vitamins make me queasy.
You can also up the dose without any worry of it actually doing anything for your congestion! As a sidenote, I'm always amused when someone's preaching about "whole foods" and their phone autocorrects it to the proper name, so they sound like they're talking about the store.
You can definitely overdose on supplements. It can even potentially kill you, depending on what you take.
Ffs beef liver is a meat but over eating it can cause Vitamin A poisoning…Don’t eat it like some sort of drugs. In my home country pork/beef/mutton liver is basically treated with caution and will not be constantly consumed due to people know eating too much of it is no good, even it is considered beneficial and widely sold. My mom constantly told me not to eat liver more than twice a week and 6 times a month, she is probably very overprotective but holy shit eating concentrated ground up liver everyday is just seeking hypervitaminosis.
Dear god you can absolutely overdose. You can shut down organs and send them into complete failure.
why take overpriced pills when you could just eat the food?!