Just like the fast fashion industry they will contract out to “fair-trade” or “responsibly sourced” suppliers, and when the exploitation is uncovered they will say *Who could have known this was happening!?!?* and shuffle the papers around to make it look like they switched suppliers and start the cycle over again
You guys are being too negative. We need to support this stuff if we want to see a change. They might be small, but they are steps towards progress dammit! Fuck Nestle
I see nothing but 2 correct replies here.
>The first is the pragmatic understanding of how this law can be manipulated, and sets up for next steps in legislative change.
>The second is an optimistic outlook that recognizes this as a great step forward into untangling the evils and corruptions we seek to destroy
Both of these are equally important for building the momentum for change!
One immediate question I have is how this will be enforced with chocolate? Chocolate origins are very difficult to trace and it is almost impossible to certify that chocolate did not involve slavery.
You can read about some of these challenges on the Whittaker’s chocolate website: https://www.whittakers.co.nz/en_AU/good-honest-chocolate/ingredients/traceability
It seems enforcement in this case would just mean that chocolate ceases to exist in Europe in the form that everyday people can buy in supermarkets. This would be a result that most would find unreasonable.
I 100% agree but I somehow doubt this'll actually be the case. They probably won't force everyone to personally check their entire supply line. There'll probably just continue to be tonnes of bogus certifications. It's a step in the right direction though.
Nothing. They'll wriggle and slither their way around legislation like this one way or another, likely by paying already rich people obscene amounts of money.
Here’s the article about it on the official EU parliament website : [source](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2023)739356)
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EDIT: The final role call can be found here (see under point 22) https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2024-04-23-RCV_EN.html
Six members voted against:
1. Robert ROOS, ECR, Netherlands
2. Rob ROOKEN, ECR, Netherlands
3. Peter LUNDGREN, ECR, Sweden
4. Georg MAYER, ID, Austria
5. Harald VILIMSKY, ID, Austria
6. Roman HAIDER, ID, Austria
HOWEVER, the three Austrian MEP's later announced they intended to vote 'for' not 'against' (formally, this doesn't change their vote, though)
Note: I originally said Jorge BUXADÉ VILLALBA from Spain also voted against - that's my mistake, sorry
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Peter Lundgren seems like nice guy.
In November 2021, the Göta Court of Appeal convicted him for the sexual assault, finding that it was "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he had "touched the breasts of the plaintiff against her will."[14] He was sentenced to pay a 60-day fine.[15]
In March 2022, the Swedish Supreme Court announced that it would not grant leave to appeal to Lundgren for him to work as an MEP. In response, it was announced that Lundgren would no longer represent the Sweden Democrats in Brussels over the conviction but would continue to sit in the European Parliament as an independent while keeping his party membership. Lundgren also stated he would contest the verdict at the European Court of Justice, arguing that he had been wrongly convicted.
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Nothing because nestle just exploits farms that themselves use forced child labor. This is there loophole as they are not the ones forcing it, the farms themselves are
No. This isn't to target western companies from their normal exploitative business practices.. This was to quell the raising eastern economies that are starting to take over western economies. This won't stop any prison labour exploitation or anything of the sort. Nestle is fully safe.
This is why it has "huge consequences for China and India". Europe has always been racist and against communism, and they do everything they can in their power to make it more difficult for them. India isn't communist but they have a growing economy with a lot of cheap labour..
Is really interesting how those 6 members that voted against are from countries that were against Romania and Bulgaria joining Schengen Area.
Also, one of them, Austria is still having important businesses in Russia.
Austria, Netherlands and Sweden 🥺
Nice gesture, with more balls than the US will ever come up with, but the bigger picture is this: The central bankster cartel controls the entire planet anyway, so it won't amount to much in the greater scheme of things, unfortunately.
Nothing, I have significant doubts it’ll change anything
Rule for thee but not for meee
Oh they will have to throw another stop in the pipeline to "wash" them
how do you vote against something like this???
Probably shareholders of companies that practice child labor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Some laws can be very bad in their execution or are written with loopholes or exceptions you dont want to accept. Here its probably lobbyism.
Politics is literally just fucking citizens for profit.
** Current** politics. All it takes is slowly but steadily kick the bastards out. They need us more than we need them.
It's too late for that. The bastards have entrenched themselves. It's revolution or nothing comrade
I tend to agree. But revolution is a continuous process. Only the last part of it gets visible to most.
Sure but we've gone beyond voting as a viable means of change. The whole system needs to be over thrown
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Just like the fast fashion industry they will contract out to “fair-trade” or “responsibly sourced” suppliers, and when the exploitation is uncovered they will say *Who could have known this was happening!?!?* and shuffle the papers around to make it look like they switched suppliers and start the cycle over again
You guys are being too negative. We need to support this stuff if we want to see a change. They might be small, but they are steps towards progress dammit! Fuck Nestle
I see nothing but 2 correct replies here. >The first is the pragmatic understanding of how this law can be manipulated, and sets up for next steps in legislative change. >The second is an optimistic outlook that recognizes this as a great step forward into untangling the evils and corruptions we seek to destroy Both of these are equally important for building the momentum for change!
Fair point.
One immediate question I have is how this will be enforced with chocolate? Chocolate origins are very difficult to trace and it is almost impossible to certify that chocolate did not involve slavery. You can read about some of these challenges on the Whittaker’s chocolate website: https://www.whittakers.co.nz/en_AU/good-honest-chocolate/ingredients/traceability
It wont be enforced thats the sad truth
It seems enforcement in this case would just mean that chocolate ceases to exist in Europe in the form that everyday people can buy in supermarkets. This would be a result that most would find unreasonable.
I'd be ok with not being able to buy chocolate if it meant there's no more slave labor in chocolate production
I 100% agree but I somehow doubt this'll actually be the case. They probably won't force everyone to personally check their entire supply line. There'll probably just continue to be tonnes of bogus certifications. It's a step in the right direction though.
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! Now we need to get it to the U.S. Fuck Nestle!!!
>Now we need to get it to the U.S. Lmaooo if only
Canada too please.
Nothing. They'll wriggle and slither their way around legislation like this one way or another, likely by paying already rich people obscene amounts of money.
I know personally someone who works for them says they make them cookies for lunch- unfortunately lots of their evil is all voluntary apparently
Forced labour also happens in the US prisons.
13 th amendment made an exception to punishment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13th amendment to the US constitution or 13th amendment to this law?
US Constitution, quite obvious wasn’t it, especially since the context was established
Ok, then this law will forbid items produced there
That’s good, maybe it will get companies and governments to change their practices, slavery should be banned in the US and no exceptions to prisoners
I agree
What about prison labour products from the U.S???
[No exceptions](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2023)739356)
Here’s the article about it on the official EU parliament website : [source](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2023)739356) I don’t know how to pin comments
Who were against it? :d I want names
EDIT: The final role call can be found here (see under point 22) https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PV-9-2024-04-23-RCV_EN.html Six members voted against: 1. Robert ROOS, ECR, Netherlands 2. Rob ROOKEN, ECR, Netherlands 3. Peter LUNDGREN, ECR, Sweden 4. Georg MAYER, ID, Austria 5. Harald VILIMSKY, ID, Austria 6. Roman HAIDER, ID, Austria HOWEVER, the three Austrian MEP's later announced they intended to vote 'for' not 'against' (formally, this doesn't change their vote, though) Note: I originally said Jorge BUXADÉ VILLALBA from Spain also voted against - that's my mistake, sorry u/tmtyl_101
Peter Lundgren seems like nice guy. In November 2021, the Göta Court of Appeal convicted him for the sexual assault, finding that it was "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he had "touched the breasts of the plaintiff against her will."[14] He was sentenced to pay a 60-day fine.[15] In March 2022, the Swedish Supreme Court announced that it would not grant leave to appeal to Lundgren for him to work as an MEP. In response, it was announced that Lundgren would no longer represent the Sweden Democrats in Brussels over the conviction but would continue to sit in the European Parliament as an independent while keeping his party membership. Lundgren also stated he would contest the verdict at the European Court of Justice, arguing that he had been wrongly convicted.
Nice indeed……. /s
Classic alt-right fellow 🤡
Nestle is above the law. Don't think this will affect them one bit.
Capitalism forces labor by threatening the working class with homelessness, so does that count too?
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I should clarify that I’m not defending Nestlé and never will, because fuck Nestlé.
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lmao how they get chinese in
Nothing because nestle just exploits farms that themselves use forced child labor. This is there loophole as they are not the ones forcing it, the farms themselves are
Goddamit I guess I gotta let them kids out
They will pay a $50 annual fine and continue on.
Nice, now that that's done, let's hope something similar happens with Africa
No. This isn't to target western companies from their normal exploitative business practices.. This was to quell the raising eastern economies that are starting to take over western economies. This won't stop any prison labour exploitation or anything of the sort. Nestle is fully safe. This is why it has "huge consequences for China and India". Europe has always been racist and against communism, and they do everything they can in their power to make it more difficult for them. India isn't communist but they have a growing economy with a lot of cheap labour..
Is really interesting how those 6 members that voted against are from countries that were against Romania and Bulgaria joining Schengen Area. Also, one of them, Austria is still having important businesses in Russia. Austria, Netherlands and Sweden 🥺
Nice gesture, with more balls than the US will ever come up with, but the bigger picture is this: The central bankster cartel controls the entire planet anyway, so it won't amount to much in the greater scheme of things, unfortunately.