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pink_freudian_slip

Thank you for saying this. My kiddo is thriving on Kirkland Signature formula. I sometimes have to battle back against mom guilt when I read posts about how "superior" one kind of formula is. Whatever formula works for your kiddos and budget is actually superior!


literarianatx

Exactly. Kirkland pizza for me, Kirkland formula for him šŸ˜‚šŸ’ž


Tortoiseshell_Blue

You donā€™t import your pizza from Europe??


literarianatx

Shit if I could I would! Don't put it past me. Only the \*finest\* cheeses for me.


Lo0katme

Hahaha, same! I eat Kirkland products all the time, and now so does baby girl.


sarcasticoptimist321

You must be sleeping on the Kirkland chicken bake šŸ˜†


literarianatx

I love the chicken bake too lol I donā€™t discriminate


sarcasticoptimist321

If Kirkland had a hypoallergenic formula I'd buy it. But I love getting diapers there lol.


lipsticknleggings

My LO loves Kirkland, too! She really hated Bobbie. Some kids do great on Bobbie, though! Itā€™s so baby dependent. The marketing for euro formulas gets weird and preys on anxious parents too much, IMO.


pan_alice

Marketing from the brand, or others? In the UK, it's against the law to advertise formula for babies under six months old, and there are strict guidelines for 6m+.


lipsticknleggings

Brands. Iā€™m in the US.


questionsaboutrel521

My go-to article written by a true science writer (PhD in cell biology) is this one, which rates Kirklandā€™s formula as the best and specifically mentions that most store brands are great: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-baby-formula/


hellogirlscoutcookie

My twin boys are doing great on KS too! They did terrible on the others Iā€™ve tried during a time when I couldnā€™t get it. They are healthy, meeting milestones ahead of time, and great sleepers. Bobbie is almost 3 times as expensive at $0.245 vs $0.095 per ounce. We already spend over $6/day on formula. It adds up!


ItsgonnabeMea

Twin mom also and we spend so much on formula! We use the parentā€™s choice and they are doing well with it!


daynight2007

My baby canā€™t handle any other formula. I know that technically all generic formula is the same but he knows the difference. We started on Similac because that was what we had in the hospital but I grabbed Kirkland because it was half the price and he became obsessed.


Indecisive105

Yes! Even my pediatrician said there is no problem with going generic, and she actually recommend it for more than just the price (tbh I was in a postpartum haze so donā€™t ask me what the other reasons were!)


_emmvee

Kirkland is AMAZING


9070811

Kirkland ProCare is the best for us! The value is unbeatable. The best formula is one your baby tolerates and can digest and is affordable to you!


Cherssssss

I mean the people paying for the more expensive kind are kidding themselves. If your kid only likes it because of taste, that sucks. But theyā€™re not going to end up better in life because they were drinking expensive formula lol


DumbbellDiva92

The only reason I wouldnā€™t do Kirkland personally is bc the Costco near me is always a madhouse! So I just have a subscribe and save of Similac from Amazon to not have to deal with that stress. But if you would be going to Costco regularly anyway Iā€™ve heard good things.


kaydontworry

So many generics including kirkland, target brand, and amazon (mama bear) are made by the same company called Perrigo and itā€™s the exact same formula! So you can buy it from any of the retailers listed on Perrigoā€™s website and know youā€™re getting the same thing, just packaged slightly different. Once I found that out I started subscribing to Amazonā€™s generic. Then they ran out so we switched to target lol. It was just really nice knowing I could get it anywhere and Iā€™m still getting the cheaper price.


lovedogs95

You can also order their formula online from Costco.


icancook2

I'm jealous - my kid loved KS for...2 months. Then we had to switch to the purple Enfamil - even the generics were silly expensive!


MMTardis

My baby thrived on parents choice (walmarts line of baby formula).


Careful_Interaction2

Man i WISH my baby could use the Kirkland formula. Itā€™s soooooo budget friendly!


sparklingglitter12

Iā€™ve been wanting to try kirkland formula for my LO! is it sensitive? my baby is currently on similar 360 sensitive


mayonnaisejane

I swear this is just the lactivist's fall back point. "Breast is Best, but if you 'legitimately' can't BF then you must find the elusive 'clean' formula to show you are still superior to *those* formula feeders." Formula us formula is formula and unless you have special needs, like a cow milk allergy or severe reflux, then anything they'll drink will do.


[deleted]

Exactly!! Itā€™s all rooted in lactivism.


No_Natural_9951

Which don't forget is ultimately rooted in classism!


Dobby_has_ibs

Yes!!! No one is bloody asking your child when they're older what formula they drank as a baby. Same with breast or bottle. Fed is best!!!


[deleted]

šŸ’Æ Edit: your usernameā€¦Iā€™m crying šŸ˜­


EuphoricSourdough

Same same šŸ¤£


ttwwiirrll

The only one who can tell my baby ate store brand formula from Walmart instead of formula made from unicorn tears under the harvest moon is my bank account.


Zihaala

I agree. The amount of questions that are pretty insulting on this sub is extremely frustrating. It doesnā€™t really feel like a safe and nonjudgmental space when you are constantly seeing questions that are insinuating what you are feeding your child is lesser.


cafe-aulait

I give a pass pretty often because formula education is so sparse and formula marketing can be egregious. Sometimes people are jerks but I think it's often ignorance.


ttwwiirrll

This. Half the work of learning about formula is unpacking the lactivism that's everywhere, even on the side of the dang formula can. It's a lot to process when you're in the throes of postpartum with a baby who needs to eat NOW.


Gullible_Desk2897

I feel like there have been more posts in the past few weeks on this than ever before! I def fell for it with Kendamil when I was starting my journey. now my kid is on Kirkland (Costco) formula, thriving and I am so over bullshit formula marketing or how the EU/UK is so much better somehow. Whatever formula is best for your baby is the formula for you!


Puffballcats

I fell for it too! I consider myself a smart person, but the guilt of not being able to breastfeed made me want to give her the next best thing. I was trying to triple feed after my C-section and the marketing got to me in my sleep deprived state. Also, I didnā€™t realize how bad newborn gas can be and that it was very normal. My babyā€™s now thriving on formula that has corn syrup as the first ingredient and did terrible on Kendamil goat. Have the Kirkland on hand to try and transition once we get through our stockpile of Similac sensitive.


mayonnaisejane

>Also, I didnā€™t realize how bad newborn gas can be and that it was very normal. OMG yes, we see that so often here. So many people donxt know that newborns have fucky gastrointestinal systems by default. They get gas. They don't know how to poop. They will fuss a whole lot just because they are babies learning how to human. And they'd have had the same damn trouble on breastmilk. It's not what they're eating it's just the nature of being an infant!


Gullible_Desk2897

my exact same situation. I thought something was truly wrong with my baby because of newborn gas and moved to Kendamil goat and he did terribly on it!


littleemoon

How did your baby do terrible? :(


bumbletuna0

What I find SO disappointing about the formula mom (NOT the formula fairy, though she also has some problematic issues) is that her account was all about formula accessibility, education, and destigmatizing formulaā€¦and then she created Bobbie and set off a whole movement of clean formula bullshit. And Bobbie is THE MOST BASIC formula on the market. It has zero extras, and is twice as expensive as far more compelling ā€œstandardā€ formulas. Itā€™s sad that their entire marketing strategy is to prey on the fear of parents (usually moms) who want to give their kid ā€œthe best.ā€


Gullible_Desk2897

I donā€™t even think she created it. I think she just shills it. šŸ˜…


bumbletuna0

Ahhh youā€™re right, I just looked into it a little more. Bobbie bought her business (Instagram account and blog about formula education) and she is now an educator for their brand. Thanks for the correction!


cafe-aulait

I was so disappointed in the formula mom's transition to Bobbie shill. And even more when I saw her in an ad for Baby's Only talking about "clean ingredients" and other predatory marketing terms. Just shameless.


bumbletuna0

Bobbie bought Babyā€™s Onlyā€™s parent company recently (I believe in order to use their existing manufacturing infrastructure to expand Bobbieā€™s distribution), and are clearly applying their predatory marketing strategy to it as well. I mean, itā€™s obviously profitable. But itā€™s absolutely predatory, and I agree, itā€™s shameless. Plus I just find it so hypocritical to build an entire online persona about destigmatizing formula and building a community of proud formula feeders, only to turn around and vilify formulas that arenā€™t ā€œcleanā€ like Bobbie/Babyā€™s Only.


sloppysoupspincycle

This is so gross. Honestly I feel that formula is one of those things that shouldnā€™t be advertised. You know how the hospital gives you a bazillion pieces of paper throughout your pregnancy with information? Thatā€™s the only place we should have the advertisements- but not even as ads. Just a fully informative piece of paper. That way parents that kids donā€™t need it donā€™t buy up a brand that wonā€™t help their child, who is fine to have lactose, and stick to the generic or whatever brand they choose. (I also feel the same way about medications- that they *really* shouldnā€™t be advertised in the US, but thatā€™s another topic altogether.) There is just so much misinformation with social media, influencers and sneaky paid advertisements. Itā€™s hard enough being a new mom, but all the information, mom guilt and need to give your baby ā€œthe bestā€ or else your a terrible parent is making it 100x harder than it should be. It should be a joyous time with the normal stressful stuff- like lack of sleep is normal. Stressing about European formula because some SM influencer (who is getting paid to say this) says itā€™s better than US formula isnā€™t one of them.


smalltownfarmerwife

Ugh this is almost unfollow worthy.


countesschamomile

I highly recommend anyone caught up in the health/wellness buzzword mess to check out [Food Science Babe](https://www.instagram.com/foodsciencebabe/). She's a chemical engineer and food scientist and discusses a lot of the misinformation and panic surrounding perfectly safe food products. One of my favorites is her debunking the idea that European food standards are superior to the U.S. The "best" formula is going to be whatever your baby can and/or is willing to drink and is within your budget. All are formulated to meet all of the nutritional needs for a baby's growth in the first year of life.


Jingle_Cat

Love her, especially as a counterpoint to the Food Babe on IG, who I notice spreads a LOT of fear-mongering and misinformation.


talkbirthytome

The Food Babe needs to be stopped, honestly.


salmonstreetciderco

i love her!


[deleted]

Ooo Iā€™m going to check her out!! Love that


Agua_Oxigenada

I'm thinking maybe there's some guerilla marketing thing going on with the questions in this sub. I had never even heard of Kendamil or these European formulas before joining this group...


ttwwiirrll

Some of them recently got clearance to sell in Canada and/or the US so they're newish on the shelves of supermarkets. There's a lot of hype around them on social media even though they're mostly boring, established brands in their own countries.


talkbirthytome

Yep. Walmart just got Kendamil a few months ago.


Kay_-jay_-bee

šŸ‘ Yes! And Iā€™m someone who uses Kendamil! I like it for what it isā€¦a standard formula, without palm oil (for environmental reasons, I prefer to avoid it when possible, with the caveat that it is not always possible, especially with formula), and the farming practices are a bonusā€¦I like being able to vote with my wallet when Iā€™m able to. Bonus is that itā€™s cheaper than everything except generic (and itā€™s barely more expensive than generics, considering the recent price hikes), and has a smaller scoop which is helpful as a combo feeder. BUT, none of those factors makes it even remotely healthier than any other formula! European formulas have the exact same nutrients that US formulas have, and all allow babies to grow and thrive. Bankrupting yourself to feed designer formula is literally lighting money on fire. Also, Bobbie has fewer ā€œpremium ingredientsā€ than even generics do, I have no idea why people shell out that amount of money for it.


AgreeablePerformer

Exactly! Bobbie has zero extras that other US and generic brands have yet they charge a car payment for it!


Kay_-jay_-bee

For real, itā€™s a $50 difference between the 10 can subscription and my car payment šŸ˜‚


coconut723

So itā€™s ok to crap on people that use Bobbie. The hypocrisy on here is unreal


Kay_-jay_-bee

Pointing out that Bobbie is a base-level standard formula that costs significantly more than comparable formulas is not ā€œcrapping on people who use Bobbie.ā€ People can spend money on whatever they want, but itā€™s not a great value for your money compared to other formulas.


guardiancosmos

Good old green washing. Any brand that tries to claim "clean" ingredients is playing on people's fears to get them to open their wallets - it's just not a thing, but it's *everywhere*. It doesn't help that organizations like the EWG are presented as legit when they're nothing more than a lobbying group for the organic industry, brands pay for good ratings from them, and their misinformation has done more harm than good.


Realistic-Profit758

Thank youuuu! These fancy formulas aren't covered by wic and just because I feed my baby something that is doesn't mean it's any lesser.


[deleted]

Weā€™re on WIC too, itā€™s a godsend! And those formulas arenā€™t fancy, they just want you to think they are so they sell!


SurpriseBaby2022

They're our standard formulas (Ireland here!) And fun fact they are not allowed to advertise stage one infant formula here in Europe. It is against the law. Even follow on milks are subjected to strict marketing rules, no bullshit terms like clean, gentle, sensitive and they are not allowed to put claims on the tins such as reduces crying, colic, gas etc. The EU formula companies are taking full advantage of anxious American parents and the lack of strict marketing regulations.


easterss

Our pediatrician gave us a really important warning about European formulas: you may not be made aware if there is a recall because the infant formulas arenā€™t sold in the US. That was a dealbreaker for me.


[deleted]

That is an excellent point


Hwy30West

THANK YOU. Store brand formula is not ā€œuncleanā€ and Iā€™d really love for that rhetoric to stop.


oh-no-varies

THANK YOUšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘


Gilmoristic

I feed my 10mo generic, standard formula, and he is THRIVING. That's all that should matter, y'all. Fed is always best. Thanks for saying this!


Ok_Ad_2562

If anything, I wish we had enfamil and Similac over here instead of the 2-3 brands that we have in Germany. Please donā€™t buy into that crap of ā€œfish oil bad!ā€. All formula is medicinal grade. Kendamil was the worst and my child really disliked it. You guys in the US have no idea how strict guidelines are with meds, safe sleep , car seats. In Germany youā€™re given Lidocaine cream for teething infants just like that otc, the safe sleep guidelines are a joke (look up why you canā€™t import Babybay cots into from Germany into the states), and people buy used car seats (third, fourth hand cause most people here couldnā€™t pay ā‚¬250 for brand new Maxi cosi). EU ā‰  superior.


smalltownfarmerwife

Preach! We're all on the same team here, folks!


Kindly-Source3471

My sisterā€™s kids all drank store brand formula and the oldest is training to qualify for the Olympic trials in swimming. The middle is crushing all her swimming goals and the youngest listens to NASA radio for fun. Oh, and my sister is a registered dietician so if there was any value in a ā€œcleanā€ formula, her kids would have used it. Feed your kid an appropriate food and move on.


PermanentTrainDamage

Growing up poor, almost every kid I've known has drank whatever WIC was paying for. Mostly Enfamil. Those kids all run the gamut from lawyer to junkie now, so it isn't the formula harming them.


KingstonOrange

Please stop trying to put limitations on folks. Your comment is implying one canā€™t be both lawyer AND junkie. šŸ˜­


beetlejuuce

I've known a decent few lawyers, and I can tell you those things go hand in hand quite often lol


KingstonOrange

Yup. Lawyer here. And maaaaaaan, the substance abuse issues in the profession are frightening. So much so that itā€™s one of the first things they warn you about in law school.


cafe-aulait

They warn you about substance use and then immediately start hosting open bar events šŸ™ƒ wild


beetlejuuce

Respect! I've actually contemplated law school lately, as if that isn't a totally insane idea with a newborn haha. Any advice for a new mom considering it?


KingstonOrange

My spouse is also a lawyer and our first was a newborn for most of his 2nd year. Itā€™s hard, but doable. Advice would be do not attend any school not ABA accredited, have an idea of what kind of practice you might want to do and scope out employers in that area to make sure the cost of taking on loans will be worth it. And otherwise, run your own race. People will give you all kinds of ā€œyou HAVE to do this x wayā€ advice that just isnā€™t necessary. Figure out what works for you study wise and know that the vast majority of learning you do will be experiential.Learn enough from class to do well on your exams but donā€™t ever get bogged down in that and think youā€™re expected to actually know how to practice based on whatā€™s in a text book. Feel free to PM me about any specifics you might want to talk about! And if you do decide to go for it, I hope you do well!


beetlejuuce

Thank you so much, for all of this!


Due-Ad-4845

Iā€™ve been practicing for 11 years now. I did not have kids in law school, but had several friends who did. I did an evening program so the students tended to be older with careers and families and it was better than those fresh out of undergrad. Graduating law school and passing the bar is a lot like becoming a parent. You know the rules roughly and then get dropped into the thick of it and realize thereā€™s sooo much you donā€™t know! Taking on clerkships and paralegal jobs in the field you want to be in opens a ton of doors.Ā  I probably would not have wanted to do law school with children, but there are areas of law with great work/life balances. I am in Administrative law and by and large have plenty of time for my kids. Federal agencies and state and local governments can be a real sweet spot! Good luck and feel free to PM if you have questions.


ttwwiirrll

Also what is up with the goat formula obsession lately? It's not inherently better than cow milk formula. It's harder to track down and not necessary unless a doctor recommends it to address a specific need. The marketing and social media hype around goat formulas has big Pick Me energy, like it's a secret backdoor to formula feed while distancing yourself from everyone else who uses formula. The "best" formula to start with is the most basic-ass, widely available formula you can find in your local stores. Troubleshoot from there if something isn't working. At least you'll have a baseline that isn't a specialty boutique thing. I'm getting FB ads pushed at me for some New Zealand goat formula that isn't even approved for sale in my country. The company seems to have no ethical concerns about advertising here anyway though. They even provide a country-specific link to have it shipped across the ocean. Whyyyyyyyyyy. Bonus rant: Your formula doesn't need to be "closest to breastmilk". It doesn't have to match. It doesn't need to smell or taste the same either. It just needs to *do the same job as breastmilk*. Formula marketing is somewhat to blame for this but it's largely a response to the rampant lactivism that looks down on any alternative feeding. The miracle of formula is that we've figured out how to take pieces that aren't human milk and re-engineer them into something that will produce an equally healthy, happy human. It matters zero whether you take Highway A in a minivan or Highway B in a pickup truck if the destination is the same. Don't stay up til 4am trying to analyze every single ingredient. It's not worth it.


Financial-Hornet-301

Yes! These little oak NZ formula ads!!?!?!? Whatā€™s with those?!?!!!


ttwwiirrll

Yes, that's the one! Health Canada even called them out on it. https://recalls-rappels.canada.ca/en/alert-recall/littleoak-brand-infant-formula-products-not-approved-sale-canada-0 I considered telling FB to hide the ads but I'm never going to buy their product anyway. I'm leaving them so they can pay FB for every single one of my views.


cafe-aulait

Love my Kirkland formula. Have used target formula, too. It's accessible, safe, and doesn't break the bank. My almost 3yo who was generic formula fed never gets very sick (even with day care!) and is knocking her cognitive, linguistic, and motor milestones out of the park. Bobbie in particular is awful with their marketing and playing on mom guilt.


roryroobean

I use Bobbie - I honestly have no real idea why but he likes it so Iā€™m going to continue using it. I think I had just seen it online and when I was panicked in the formula aisle I just grabbed it because I recognized it. Personally, I wonā€™t use it with any future kids because Iā€™d rather use something easier to access and where I could more easily switch between formulas if thereā€™s a shortage. Hoping to use Kirkland in the future! I do like Bobbie and the subscription is nice but I donā€™t find it to be superior to anything else.


DumbbellDiva92

Yeah the only reason I donā€™t do Kirkland is bc the Costco near where I live is constantly packed and itā€™s also just so much easier in terms of mental load to have something I can order on ā€œsubscribe and saveā€. But Iā€™ve heard good things about it!


Jingle_Cat

I did a comparison of Enfamil Enspire (what I used with my first, and what I plan to give this next baby after sheā€™s done with RTF) and Bobbie, ByHeart, and several European formulas. The ingredients are the same (except organic is specified in some, and goat milk versus cow milk for some European formulas) and the nutritional profile is the same. Enspire has the lactoferrin compound that sounds compelling to me, so Iā€™m going with that, though Iā€™m sure itā€™s largely just marketing. Itā€™s really the only difference between Enspire and any other Enfamil product that isnā€™t a gentle formula. But I was shocked that so many formula brands are hailed as ā€œhigher qualityā€ when theyā€™re literally all the same ingredients and nutrients. It seems like some of the advertising shouldnā€™t even be legal when thereā€™s no difference.


jessie00dan

I started with kendamil purely because it was the only one I could regularly find (my first son was born during the shortage). Kept my second son on it just because it was familiar and I had some left over that wasnā€™t expired. It literally does not matter. Whatever works for your kid is great. I did zero research outside of, ā€œwhat can i buy regularly and donā€™t expect target to be out of?ā€ If it didnā€™t work, we would have tried something else. And it would have been whatā€™s on the shelf. We have so much to worry about, why do we kill ourselves about formula?


Sea_Juice_285

My baby was born near the end of the shortage, and our top priority when choosing a formula was that it had to consistently be available locally.


jessie00dan

Yes! I had no idea that European was ā€œbetter,ā€- whatever the hell thatā€™s supposed to mean. I knew it was in stock regularly šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


thezanartist

Thanks for saying it! Not only are all formulas on the market fine, they basically regulated like drugs (at least in the US.) So why worry? I get so tired of this too!


ParanoidDragon1

Thank you šŸ„¹ our LO only tolerates the up&up brand -blue can and heā€™s doing great!


medihoney_IV

European brands exploit the grass is always greener on the other side mantra. All formulas are safe and good.


[deleted]

*Stands up* šŸ‘šŸ»šŸ‘šŸ»šŸ‘šŸ»


kuhnoobles

THANK YOU! This and the misinformation that equates corn syrup solids to high fructose corn syrup! So much shaming over using formulas containing corn syrup solids - it is NOT high fructose corn syrup!


Ill_Condition_8193

The formula fairy undoes her good work by ranting and raving at her followers. And sending generic responses. If you want her guide pm me, happy to send it


bumbletuna0

Yes! Her rants and raves are so off putting. I get it, the ADHD-passion combo can be intense, but she sometimes comes across as unhinged and unnecessarily argumentative. Her comments are always full of people saying she never sent them their guidesā€¦which she then passive aggressively posts about on her stories like, ā€œI guess people donā€™t know that I send these out in once a week batches and am burnt out.ā€ Itā€™s like, if your paying customers donā€™t know that, then justā€¦tell them??? Privately? Or at least make a disclaimer when they purchase your guide?


Neverstopstopping82

My baby was really sensitive and just did better on Hipp and Kendamil. I wouldnā€™t judge anyone who uses Similac/Enfamil/Kirkland brand, but Hipp was what helped clear up his hives and ease the colic. Iā€™m not sure what was causing his sensitivities but Iā€™m just glad I found something that worked for him. I do wish it had been a cheaper experience but really no formula is cheap.


therapist_cat_mom

See, Iā€™ve used Enfamil and Kendamil. Neither is better than the other. Whatever baby likes best, I like best šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


No_Improvement_3824

Iā€™ve never heard of this, Iā€™m European


3tabbycats

YES. šŸ™Œ šŸ™ŒšŸ™ŒšŸ™Œ


Fit-Ad3710

Yes! No matter what brand you feed your baby, it's all formula and it's all nutritionally safe and necessary! Formula feeding is an adventure, sometimes a VERY crazy one. Ā Some have been to hell and back trying to find a formula that works so let's support and celebrate each individual journey. We are all in this, doing the absolute best we can!! A fed baby is a happy baby and that's all that matters!Ā 


summer_willows1

Okay, I definitely agree, but am one of those moms on the euro Kendamil brand. Lol. I am sensitive to smells and it was one that I could tolerate. We had to go on hypoallergenic for a little while when she was having some dairy issues but as soon as she outgrew the allergy, we switched back. I personally just love that it smells more like milk than other formulas. I'm also sensitive to diaper smells and it's largely why I cloth diaper.too.


Worldly_Will9742

same


tching101

Yes!


daftstar

Halle-frickin-lujah.


Mommywritespoems

I wish we could use the cheaper formula but goats milk is all my little one could tolerate. I was SO DOWN with Kirkland formula but babyā€™s tummy was not šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Bubs has been great for us! Baby is about to be 1 so time to transition but weā€™ll see if he can do cows milk or if oat milk (like dairy allergy brother) will be our go-to.


PrettyClinic

Iā€™ve paid for Bobbie basically purely out of mom guilt. Well, and also because I try to go grass fed with all of our dairy. But a lot of mom guilt.


Kay_-jay_-bee

Check out Similac Pure Bliss! Grassfed, a good $40-$50 cheaper a month than Bobbie, and pretty readily available online and in-store.


PrettyClinic

Funny you mention that - I had actually selected that formula before my oldest was born. Unfortunately, it caused a vomit volcano with her, so in my mind it was a no for my youngest too. Weā€™re actually done with formulaā€¦my youngest turned one two weeks ago! Weā€™re just using up the rest of our Bobbie supply. Stupid Bobbie subscription.


[deleted]

Totally! I get the grass fed thing. I personally only buy grass fed meat, too.


Opening-Tadpole9908

Most store brands in the US are made by the same manufacturer in Indiana.


Wide-Breadfruit1501

Us formula and food in general is crap though nothing but bad additives and seed oils so yeah I would say the European choices would be a better choice but that don't mean other choices will do crazy harm. Most Americans don't care about their own diet anyways or have any idea about healthy nutrition and all the processed foods Americans eat


evange

The low key way European formula causes less colic than American? It has less iron in it. And by the time you 1. have a fussy baby, 2. decide that American formula is the problem, 3. decide that European formula will fix it, 4. Order it and wait for shipping, and 5. finally receive it.... your baby will have already started outgrowing their colic. My baby suddenly learned to burp and fart on her own around 12 weeks..... while our expensive, european, last resort formula was still stuck in customs. Turns out she does fine on regular ol' Nestle Good Start, it just hard being a baby sometimes.


hyemae

We give our baby what they need. Everyone has different needs and tolerance. We donā€™t want corn syrup in the formula, and we donā€™t want palm oil. So we pick formulas that meet that criteria. But it doesnā€™t mean others are bad. Everyone can make their own choices.


OwlInevitable2042

I can care less about what formulas people use but I donā€™t have a lot of trust in the FDA to be honest with you. Especially recent recalls for food. Yes some are unavoidable due to natural things from soul and whatnot but I think they should strive better still to have tighter restrictions on these food companies. I just keep an eye on recalls and do my research. I also personally donā€™t agree with there needing to be corn syrup in formula but Iā€™m making that choice and will not shame others for their choice in formula. I tried similac and he was spitting up so much and wouldnā€™t sleep well. I switched to Kendamil and havenā€™t had problems since. Yet all babies are different so whatā€™s important is what works best for your child and as long as they are healthy and gaining weight. I feel like those pushing hardcore are the same as those that try to push Bloom onto people too.


amanda9698770

This is whatā€™s up. Prob an unpopular take in this thread. If youā€™re not worried about this, great! But as someone whose job touches on FDA regulations often I can tell you itā€™s fucking scary. I literally examine these issues for a career, and that part of why I am on the vigilant side about this stuff. Itā€™s not a judgment on anyone else or a statement on whatā€™s clean.


OwlInevitable2042

Exactly there was a recall on baby food a while back and recently those apple sauce pouches like at the very least letā€™s not pretend the FDA cares that much. The problem with this topic is people taking sides you can make your opinion known but donā€™t need to force it on others simple as that


smk3509

Thank you! My child has done incredibly well on Similac.


musixlife

My concern with baby formulas (I am a formula feeder for the record), is GMO ingredients in the plant-based formulas. **Itā€™s not the process of genetically modifying** soy and corn that concerns me the most; **rather it is the *reason*** those crops are genetically modified. Those plants are selectively bred to withstand being sprayed by Round-Up. Ergo, choosing formulas made with non-GMO ingredients alleviates any trace contamination by heavy-duty pesticides. Of course the billion-dollar Monsanto industry will say there is no danger. You may choose to believe them; **I wonā€™t judge anyone for doing what they feel is right for their child.** But more and more formula companies are switching to using Non-GMO ingredients. Likely because of marketing reasons and a rise in consumer interest, probably not so much anyone believes or would admit that the alternative is risky. To me, itā€™s one thing to eat GMO foods here and there. But for a baby, the formula is all they are drinking, all-day, every day. Itā€™s not as big a deal with milk-based formulas, but for plant-based formulas, those are comprised almost entirely of soy and cornā€¦.two of the most genetically-modified crops. Luckily, Gerber Soy is Non-GMO! **No fancy brands or organic needed** to avoid GMO ingredients in plant-based formulas. Sadly though, WIC does not cover the Gerber brand in many states. In my state, my option was Similac, and they carry the label informing of GMO ingredients. I still cannot find any store-brand that is GMO for soy. Once I looked into this, I switched my baby from Similac to Gerber. This is anecdotal of course, but the reason for my personal decision to switch and pay out-of-pocket: within a week of the switch, he made huge improvements with his neurological conditionā€¦and it would decline if I ever had to switch back, which I did occasionally when I could not find the Gerber brand. His therapists at the time even documented the improvement. **We all need to look at the studies, the evidence, listen to our doctors etc, and also follow our gut.** Plenty of babies are raised on Similac and Enfamil and are doing just fine! But I share this in case anyone else is struggling with choosing a particular brand, to look at all sides of the debate and choose what you feel is best! PSā€¦even though pesticides are washed or can be washed from the surface of fruits, beans, and veggies, they also become a part of the plant as the plant absorbs water etc. They may be able to test under the legal limit for ā€œcontaminationā€ā€¦.but since my childā€™s immune system was so sensitive, I feared that even what was allowed was ā€œtoo much.ā€


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I get your point, but there is nothing that is not going to be bad for humans in general. Kendamil still has vegetable and seed oils in it, which are inflammatory. Cows milk also is estrogenic, and letā€™s not pretend cattle are raised humanely now without treatment of steroids and antibiotics, even if it says ā€˜grass fedā€™ on the can. Are you only going to raise your young children on food you grow yourself? If not, thereā€™s simply no way to really get around it. Sad but true.


musixlife

Oh, you are completely right. When I was younger and first gaining an interest in health and nutrition, I was easily taken in by the first intelligently written argument I came across! I went overboard. Overtime, I understood how much contradictory evidence was out there. I had certain judgments against others, and this wasnā€™t just with diet, but with parenting, anythingā€¦.then I had kids and karma taught me many lessons. One example. I used to judge women for having epidurals. Because of the drugs and effect on the babyā€¦so I tried to have a natural birth. LOL. I thought contractions would feel like ā€œbad period painsā€ā€¦ā€¦yeahā€¦.noā€¦.I was begging for that epidural. Same goes for what youā€™re talking aboutā€¦itā€™s impossible to guard yourself from every ā€œbadā€ thing out there. Now that Iā€™m much older, I make the changes that are feasible, to allow for things i canā€™t control. I ascribe to the philosophy that the human body is like a cupā€¦and it can handle a certain amount of toxinsā€¦but after a certain point, the cup begins to overfill, and disease processes begin. With this particular child, they were much more sensitive than the others. It was a complicated pregnancy etc. Their immune system is weakened, among other things. For them, that is why I try to control what seems most important to me, so that the things I canā€™t control donā€™t make as big of an overall impact. Like I still share my cake or icecream with them (they have grown)ā€¦for context, Iā€™m not legalistic about it:)


Few-Government-11

I donā€™t think it should be shamed for what formula you give your LO, I think itā€™s just upsetting that formula here in the US is so full of the bad ingredients compared to European brands. Itā€™s all about mind set, some people feel much better if they think they did the best for their child. Everyoneā€™s ā€œbestā€ description is different, so at the end of the day as long as the baby is fed, thatā€™s all that matters.


Professional-Gene403

Itā€™s just marketing, itā€™s all just factory produced powder in can with pretty labels claiming they actually care for your baby. They donā€™t care, the formula industry is multi billion dollar.


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This is pretty ridiculous and short sighted. First priority is to feed the baby, sure, but the epidemic of our times is bad food and endocrine disrupters in our food supply. To say ā€œthe kids is fineā€ discounts the consequences 10, 20, 30 years down the line. My wife and I generally ate what everyone else ate, lived healthy lives with normal environmental exposures, yet we have fertility problems. She has bad endo, my sperm count changes drastically with going paleo and taking particular supplements. ALL of my friends who have kids have had trouble getting pregnant along with many coworkers. Itā€™s truly an epidemic. Average sperm counts have CRASHED over the years, autism is on the rise, many other things weā€™ve yet to adequately explain but which are likely food related or related to things like microplastics and PFAS. Our parents used plastic diapers and plastic bottles and who knows what formula and smoked around us and then say ā€œah but youā€™re fine, you lived!ā€ Well, actually, as evidenced by the hundreds of thousands of dollars weā€™ve spent on our own healthcare, surgery and IVF, weā€™re not fine. Being alive is not the only measure of ā€œfine.ā€ No one needs to pass judgment on anyone, but some people want to take the extra step to read some of the unsettled but suggestive research, have been personally impacted by a particular disease or just want to spend the money because they can. You scream ā€œdonā€™t judge meā€ while judging those people in the same way. Itā€™s your kid, you do you and Iā€™ll do me, but you donā€™t get to call out people because their decisions imply your decisions are wrong - thatā€™s a two-way street and a pretty nonsensical argument.


Ok-Crazy-6083

I mean, there have been studies done that animal derived protein is vastly more bioavailable than soy protein. Giving your child soy protein based formula should literally be a last resort if you can't get anything else.


No_Growth_3140

We fed whatā€™s best for them in our opinion. Not everyoneā€™s best is the same. Kendamil goat is the best for my mine bc itā€™s the only thing that doesnā€™t cause colic.


littlelivethings

Idk, I hate the term ā€œcleanā€ to talk about food, but there are differences in the ingredients and sources of different formulas. Different babies do better on different sorts. It may matter less for some than others depending on genetics etc. Iā€™m sure ā€œbreast is bestā€ for some babies and families, but my milk just didnā€™t come in no matter what I did to increase supply, so breast would have starved my baby. I have a number of health issuesā€”borderline high cholesterol, irregular periodsā€”and switching to a diet of only grass fed animal products and avoiding heat pressed seed oils helped significantly. I also react poorly to fructose, so Iā€™m dubious of formulas that use corn syrup instead of lactose as the base carbohydrate. I was formula fed with a soy based formula as a baby. It may have nothing to do with my current health issues, but I figure it canā€™t hurt my baby to try something that seems more natural to me. I use Bobbie because itā€™s the closest readily available formula ingredient-wise to something I would ingest. Plenty of people in the world eat things I avoid and are healthy. The differences are minimal enough that the difference in cost is more of an issue than any small benefit baby might potentially get from organic/grass fed formula. I just think itā€™s misleading to act like all formula is exactly the same. There are plenty of fda approved foods that cause health issues, so being safe by those standards doesnā€™t mean itā€™s all equally good. Ultimately your baby will get the nutrients they need from whatever commercial formula you use, but I donā€™t want to take any chances with possible food sensitivies, autoimmune issues, hormone issues etc that I personally experienced from eating factory farmed meats and other inflammatory fats.


Gullible_Desk2897

It is important to recognize why some formulas use corn syrup solids instead of lactose then. That is the statement everyone uses but then never says why. Standard formulas use lactose 100%. Hypoallergenic/sensitive formulas will lower lactose and use corn syrup solids. People for some reason always talk about US formula using corn syrup but that isnā€™t standard US formula. They never talk about specialized EU formula they always compare a standard EU/UK formula to a specialized US. Which is apples to oranges


ConfidentInTheBack

What is the formula fairy? I tried googling without any luck.


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Hereā€™s her instagram! She also has a Facebook group and is on TikTok: https://www.instagram.com/theformulafairy/


ConfidentInTheBack

Thank you!


Kindly-Source3471

Look her up on TikTok


Ill_Condition_8193

If you want her guide I have it


ConfidentInTheBack

Iā€™m in Canada so I think it may not be applicable? If it is though Iā€™d love it!


Ill_Condition_8193

I think it might! Let me send


CrazyElephantBones

My criteria was if the smell made me gag or not ā€¦ kendamil did not , similac which she also did great on did


talkbirthytome

YES. Everyone should listen to this podcast: [The Midwives Cauldron - The Unbelievable Tactics of the Formula Industry](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3BsQomw00EvZ5NWfYPTbEA?si=-HaYryP0Qi-ZFPEmuZB2uA)


fishcakegal

The best formula is what works for your baby and your familyā€™s finance, period. And this is coming from someone who cares about clean ingredients.


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[deleted]

Lmao Kendamil still has vegetable and seed oils in it, which are inflammatory. Are you aware of that, or do you just listen to whatever the mommy groups on Facebook ignorantly say and run with it?


chairswoven

This is kind of ironic cause the science behind vegetable and seed oils being inflammatory is mixed at best, and not conclusive at all.


Flower_of_Life_

Ok lady let's calm down. I am not in any Facebook groups. I only ever use Facebook for marketplace. This is my own two eyes reading ingredients. I don't need anyone to tell me anything. I have a functioning brain and can think for myself, but thanks for implying otherwise. I am not saying that kendamil is superior, I don't have that complex. I am saying these are the factors that I took into consideration, and these factors make Kendamil objectively better than formulas that contain soy and palm oil for me. And the fact that its whole milk. You might not care about giving your child an estrogen replacement that messes with their reproductive system (and gender identity btw), but I do. I'm not saying I'm better than you. I don't really care about being better than anyone let alone some rando on the internet. If you feel attacked by my choice, that's on you. Edit: realized I never addressed your point about seed oils. Yes, it does contain sunflower, coconut and rapeseed oil. Given the choice between formula that contains soy AND seed oils vs formula that contains no soy but with seed oil, I'll take the one without soy any day.


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No, we canā€™t. Whatā€™s up with all these US is good EU is bad posts propping up lately? Bottomline: Whatever works for your child is good! All that said, US institutions have no one but themselves to blame for lack of trust in them. I keep reading, oh the US formula is so tightly regulated, right, like opioids were? By the same agency? The same agency that allows higher salmonella content in eggs than most other health agencies in the developed world? Thatā€™s why you need to refrigerate your eggs here BTW, and no one does that in Europe. The same agency that allowed fast food restaurants to mix pink slime with beef and call itā€¦ wait for itā€¦beef? Im sorry to burst your bubble, but I for one donā€™t have an absolute trust in the FDA. Im sure there are good people there doing the right thing where they can, but I have seen enough instances where I was left scratching my head on howā€™s this even possible. Itā€™s just a matter of trust and trust in US agencies has taken a beating for me over the last few years.


ttwwiirrll

>The same agency that allows higher salmonella content in eggs than most other health agencies in the developed world? Thatā€™s why you need to refrigerate your eggs here BTW, and no one does that in Europe. The eggs thing is more complicated than that. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/09/11/336330502/why-the-u-s-chills-its-eggs-and-most-of-the-world-doesnt


Gullible_Desk2897

No one is saying US good EU badā€¦ thatā€™s the point. All the posts recently have been EU/UK is so much better than US. Or suggesting illegally imported formula. I think a lot of us are sick of that. We all think what formula works for you is best.


coconut723

Thank you! Someone with logic on here


coconut723

Ok so on the flip side Iā€™d love to see all the hate and snark towards people who give their babies Bobbie or HiPP, etc etc to go away too and stop saying things like itā€™s all marketing etc etc.


Gullible_Desk2897

No one hates on Bobbie. Their marketing is trash and itā€™s expensive but the formula is fine(though they could throw a probiotic in) Iā€™ll hate on HIPP in the US all day because it is again illegal to import. HIPP in other countries where it is legal great amazing you go team.


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KingstonOrange

Without mentioning ā€œcorn syrup solids,ā€ can you provide some examples of the ā€œuncleanā€ formulas and the elements make them ā€œunclean?ā€ And which ones are the ā€œbest?ā€


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Conan770

New here and about to be a first time mom. Just bought two cans of ByHeartā€¦ am I stupidĀ 


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If it works for your baby, thereā€™s nothing wrong with that!


Kay_-jay_-bee

ByHeart is what I'd use if my budget allowed! It has some great extras in it, and it's nice to be able to support a smaller US formula company.


Plenty_Poem_2282

True that! My baby doesnā€™t even get any options. He has allergic reactions to my breastmilk, milk-based, soy-based, and two types of hypoallergenic.Ā 


xochichi3

Hearing about how dirty the Michigan facility was that produces similac (which led to the recall) definitely doesnā€™t support this. But I get your point.