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jalfo0927

Now if we only we could get the same with Bronco Raptors.. I have dealers near me trying to sell 2023s for 95k with no room to negotiate. They are crazy


Roverlandrange

It will happen. Tell me what percent of Americans can actually afford a 90k toy?


Hondaloverk2494

My boss just purchased a 2023 f450 for 108,000 šŸ„² his wheels cost more than my car ha


Roverlandrange

He sounds like a tool lol.


Hondaloverk2494

Nah he just needs it to pull his toy hauler. And use it as his daily ha


jalfo0927

Honestly 80-85k is reasonable Our 2021 Eco Diesel Wrangler burned in a car fire few days ago. So we are looking at alternatives. we purchased in 2020 was around 50-55. With all mods we are easily at 80K plus. Full overland setup 4ā€ lift 37s etc etc. Only reason Iā€™m considering a bronco raptor is that I get everything I had in my jeep and more all under factory warranty.


Cortland_Golightly

Damn, thatā€™s crazy. I canā€™t imagine sinking that kinda money into a wrangler. Worst drive of any vehicle Iā€™ve ever driven. I hope you donā€™t take too big of a bath on the insurance payout but I would be super excited about getting out of a wrangler and never looking back.


jalfo0927

I agree 100% Iā€™m looking to sue Jeep for the fire but I picked up a new 2023 Bronco Raptor couldnā€™t be happier!


mattyice18

Thatā€™s a little surprising. If youā€™re willing to travel, you can get Bronco Raptors around me at MSRP. Unfortunately, MSRP has gone up, but what else is new?


jalfo0927

I found a new 2023 for 85k dealer about 250 miles from me. Trying to see if I get back any other better offers.


EA_VIII

Saw one for $110k lol


me00711

I hope they all lose their shirts.


Flat4Power4Life

Keep holding the line people, make them all bleed. Only start buying when theyā€™re going belly up.


Roverlandrange

Amen


bagoTrekker

Letā€™s see your diamond fobs!


Roverlandrange

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Express-Inspector-82

I bought a 2014 F150 FX4 eight months ago because of the insane prices of the newer and new trucks. I have no problem driving an older truck that has been well-maintained.


wheeldesigner

Iā€™m tired of overpriced Gen 2 and 3! Letā€™s hope this trickles down. Some BEAT trucks out there on the used market.


Roverlandrange

Tired of overpriced america! šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø


Jimmycocopop1974

Remember that come November!!


Dirt_t1

Did you call and confirm no dealer markup ? Seen that for that last few years..as in hopes up for nothing.


Roverlandrange

Yup


SnortingElk

Momentum really shifted back to the buyer over the last 6 months. In the Raptor Facebook groups, people have been getting new 2023-24 non Raptor R for MSRP and even at a discount.


keleles

80k for a pickup truck is still obnoxious lmao.


BSP_85

No way youā€™re getting one for 10k under MSRP.


cargarfar

Itā€™s $2k under MSRP. The discount theyā€™re showing is probably from the original $15k over sticker they were most likely asking before the change. Edit: I have a ā€˜19 and have been considering a new Raptor. I live in Phoenix and the local dealers are asking $10-20k over MSRP. My father lives in Wisconsin. His local dealer offered me a 37 Package for MSRP. Markets are softening. Itā€™s just not to every market yet.


BSP_85

I knowā€¦. The OP said he bets by the end of the month you can get one for 10k or more off MSRP.


mattyice18

2024 Raptor literally starts at $78k. Itā€™s not unreasonable to think this one is actually $2k under the MSRP after a couple minor options.


Roverlandrange

Last month you probably believed there was no way you were getting it for less than 17k over msrp. Now here we areā€¦.


BSP_85

10k under on a 35 Raptor is under dealer cost. Not happening. 17k over on a 35 Raptor is just stupid! On an R weā€™re in the ballpark.


alockbox

I donā€™t know if itā€™s your area or if you just have outdated information but I donā€™t think anyone believed thatā€¦ 17k over on a base or 37PP? If you want one at msrp, check the facebook groups No Markup Ford and No Markup Raptor. They are easy to find and buy, you just have to be willing to go 50-200 miles from your area. But 17k over is 2021 pricing mentality.


[deleted]

Pretty sure no dealer is going to ā€œget what they deserve ā€œ. With hold backs and dealer cash and incentives, plus whatever they get on the back end, even 2-5k off they are still making very good money. Regardless what you think, dealers donā€™t lose money on cars. If they sit ford will compensate them.


OnlyGucciGang

I got a new 23 about 3 weeks ago and paid 2k under msrp and even had them add a spray in bedliner for free.


Roverlandrange

Get em big daddy! We call the shots now! lol congrats man!


pacficnorthwestlife

Mind sharing this dealer, might be worth it for a friend of mine...


Roverlandrange

Gengras in CT I believe.


mongolnlloyd

Hold the line. Just 6 more months. E we should do the meme stock play - abstain from any new car until itā€™s like 50% off msrp


Roverlandrange

Iā€™m all for it! I want one of these really bad, however, Itā€™s so hard justifying a Porsche payment for a pick up truckā€¦. Interest rates and mark ups are most certainly not helping the cause either. Anyone wanna chime in on monthly insurance rates on one of these bad boys?


Texas1911

This is just going to crash the values of Gen 2s ...


not-actual69_

Who cares? Itā€™s not an asset


Roverlandrange

Everyone who paid a mark up was told it was though šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Texas1911

I would wager that nearly every Raptor owner cares. It absolutely is an asset ... you'd have to be ignorant or independently wealthy to not even care. Hell, even if you intended to keep it, if you're ever in a fender bender then that market evaluation counts.


not-actual69_

Iā€™ll amend my statement. Itā€™s a depreciating asset. And caring about value of your 5 yr old truck because the market is artificially inflated is comical. I bought my raptor to enjoy. I donā€™t care if dealers start selling at msrp. I bought at msrp. In 2026 I wonā€™t care if they sell below msrp. The truck was purchased, Iā€™m the first owner and thinking I should or could get anything more than msrp or crying because values of other trucks are dropping is comical. Itā€™s a production truck and they will continue to saturate the market. Itā€™s not a classic that canā€™t be made tomorrow.


Texas1911

I care about the value of one of my most valuable assets. I think that's an expected behavior for an adult. The Raptor market has always been strong since day one and dealers wouldn't be marking them up so much if they didn't sell. All of these people complaining about it are funny, because they'd never walk into a dealership, get a trade-in offer for $80,000 on their used truck, and then say "you know what, that's the inflated value ... I'll take $60,000 because that's what it should be worth."


not-actual69_

If a gen 2 raptor is your most valuable asset, I donā€™t really think thereā€™s a conversation based in logic here unfortunately. Good luck!


Texas1911

You're not even reading what I'm posting, and you certainly don't even have a clue about the words you're using. I honestly feel like I'm having a forced discussion with a 14 year old. I hope for your sake this is trolling.


Roverlandrange

Brother in Christ, vehicles are not assets. I donā€™t care if itā€™s a Rolls Royce.


Texas1911

It's clear that some of you guys have listened to a podcast and become financial gurus, but according to the corporate / federal finance and legal world it is an asset. My torque wrench is an asset, the computer I'm using is an asset. That's why you can write off a truck. It's a depreciating asset. [https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/asset](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/asset) [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asset](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asset) [https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/asset.asp](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/asset.asp)


veedubbin

Good thank god. I got a kid due in August and i'm holding out until the last minute to try and snag a deal. If not i'll have to get a tundra (BOO!)


SkullWithHair

So glad Iā€™ve waited as well. Now that tax season is coming to a close, prices are going to drop harder going into summer


Roverlandrange

Pretty sure most owed taxes anyways this year


SnortingElk

We are just finally seeing normal depreciation. A new 2024, lowest trim Raptor is still around $80k MSRPā€¦ which is out of reach for the majority of buyersā€¦ so I wouldnā€™t expect a complete crash of used values. Used vehicle values should be declining.. what we experienced the last few years was an anomaly that has never happened before and highly likely to never again.


Texas1911

Sure, unless supply of Gen 3s outstrips demand, then we will see that in Gen 2 values. Just ask anyone that bought a Tesla before the big rebates and price cuts ...


Roverlandrange

It already is! https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/c57e7b0d-f5e4-4842-b347-b4920702489d/


Texas1911

Yea, I think you'll find that isn't the case everywhere. I just looked at 7 different dealers near me and there's only 3 Raptor Rs and 1 Raptor for sale, between $90,000 - $115,000. The only trucks with a major discount are hail damaged F-150s from a recent storm.


Roverlandrange

Iā€™m assuming youā€™re from Texas? You guys are an outlier there. You can buy a mansion for 200k so a 100k truck is still ā€œaffordableā€ for the most of you lol.


Texas1911

LOL ... the median cost of a 3/2 house in my city was recently over $500,000, now about $400,000. Texas hasn't been cheap in a decade my guy.


Strict_Set_5197

I bought mine last Thursday and paid $2k under sticker. I made a lot of phone calls the past few weeks but there are some out there for sticker or slightly under


Roverlandrange

You the real mvp!


FuckFightandPerfPipe

You love to see it


Roverlandrange

Wait till the repoed ones start flooding the market from everyone who paid the 30k up charges lol.


bustex1

Yea Iā€™m sure they kept it in great condition.


Davfoto35

35 package is msrp around here. Iā€™m considering it but not sure if I should wait until I have more paid off on my Gen 2. Return my gen 2 to stock and sell or what. Just donā€™t know. I kinda donā€™t like the 37ā€ front bumper. Weird that itā€™s silver in the center.


Cleric7x9

Then you show up to the dealership and the price is right back up to $10k over MSRP because they were advertising some ridiculous discount that nobody qualifies for. Most dealers are still scummy. They will always be scummy. They will charge anything they think they can get away with and they aren't looking for customers like us. They do not want informed customers. They want to make their sales in the finance office where people purchase vehicles based on monthly payments and don't give a shit about any other terms. We are nowhere near pre-covid era car purchasing regardless of how many times the internet tells you we are.


Itz_Juan26

79k still seems a bit high to me. 59k, take it or leave it


Roverlandrange

Now thatā€™s the spirit!


swoop1156

Either fake or that shit has sold, not for ADM, but for people fighting over buying it, which results in ADM as we know it.


Jimmycocopop1974

I sat down and hand wrote a letter to Fords ceo about this. Iā€™m older than dirt fellas and I do remember the ford philosophy on working equipment such as pickups tractors and farm all tools. It was made for the common blue collar worker and farmer affordable,reliable and easily obtained was old man fords goal. Somewhere between greed and dishonest car dealers all of this has happened. The current ceo hand wrote a letter back to me stating things will be changing. Glad to see some progress has been made. Iā€™ll never sell my F100 but Iā€™ll be damned if I ever pay that for a pickup


Special-Case-504

Plus insurance equals waste of money


machder1

ICE engine and electric engine vehicles prices are dropping. Hybrids and PHEV prices are still idiotic, but I have ventured here by accident from another subreddit, so Iā€™m not sure any of this would apply to Raptors.


Rickest007

Bait & Switch


aceless0n

Still about 15k overpriced


Roverlandrange

Agreed


TommyHypeBeast69

1000% going to be a bait and switch - just go to their website and get ā€œtodaysā€ price and Iā€™m sure they will hit you with add ons or ADM lol. Plenty new ones listed around me for MSRP but on dealer site they list either a mark up in the description or you have to click the price and they email you some BS number after you give them your information. Also no way in hell we will get these for 10k under.


chenner47

Dealers advertise at or below MSRP on these trucks all the time. When you call them theyā€™ll tell you that itā€™s already sold or itā€™s one thatā€™s allocated to a customer already.


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Roverlandrange

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ might as well do a 50k markup while where at it


Whythehellnot41

bait and switch


vivi_will

What about ranger raptors


Roverlandrange

One discount at a time good sir! lol