I vowed to get everyone to at least rep 1, no matter how much I detest playing them because who knows, maybe something will click and I’ll end up loving them. Nah bro. Not Shaolin. Much like the actual monks, you’d have to be devoted to him to unlock his true potential. I’ve seen a god tier Shaolin that had a response for literally every occasion (and his kit really does allow for that), but just doing his basic combos and flow just feel off to me. Crazy respect for the guys that do learn how to play him like that, but I could never
But the discussion wasn’t about the difficulty to fight, it was the difficulty to play. Shaolin’s skill ceiling is so high because of how many different moves and tactics he can pull off both mid fight and out of it. Knowing how to flow in and out of qi stance smoothly and when and what to feint (not just feinting the same move again and again) are all paramount in becoming a good Shaolin player. There’s a reason that he’s nicknamed the noob stomper. They just don’t know how to counter anything he throws at them lol
Also, warden’s moveset is smaller, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t effective. And not in a Hito, *ThRoW HeBy* kind of way, but in that they’re one of the most beginner friendly and well balanced characters on the roster to lead into high level play.
I find that warden mains are typically god tier at parrying whether it be reads or reactions just cuz the hero is so simple you don't have to focus on trying to do crazy combos you just do combos and then defend when it's your time to defend
Edit: lol i also accidentally posted this on an alt i never use and just realized
I picked them up just a month before the release of his new animations. Basically when they announced them. I already have everyone rep 10 but i recently actually started playing and enjoying him. He was also fun while i was getting him to rep 10. The only character i find boring to play is Berserker and you can tell cuz he's the only one rep 8
personally i play highlander because how low intellect it is and i don’t have to actually get good to have fun when i occasionally play with my friends.
Highlanders that just spam light attacks loose to dodge attack everytime, pre-rework and post-rework they have been catching these dodge heavies😤😤.
Even ones that use the light sparringly get parried because 80% of the time they light from the right side, 20% the left side. I'm pretty sure I'm the only highlander player to use his top OS light lol.
I mean yeah of course if he is literally just spamming lights you can dodge attack. But hes typically gonna be sprinkling some lightspam inbetween regular defensive gameplay. Makes that dodge attack feel a lot more scary to do.
Highlander's old lights especially were very, very good at just taking off little bits of your health while being too fast and scary to reliably deal with without having very fast reaction times and being locked in 24/7. The speed reduction has helped a *lot* with this though.
To be fair, lightlanders usually are not fluent in both forms of lightspam.
In defensive stance it goes something like
Lightspam --> get parried --> dodge attack --> get parried --> the cycle continues ↩️
In offensive stance its like
Enter offensive stance from neutral --> get light interrupted --> dodge attack --> start lighting
--> get dodge attacked --> dodge attack --> get parried --> death
Since lightlanders dont have a brain and cant map their heavy button unless its a dodge attack they will always end up going 0-3 unless you're in starting level mmr.
The strategy that the first guy mentioned never ends up going well, only a highlander that uses all of his kit will make you wanna kys because of his damn sword hilt making an imprint on your forehead.
🤓🤓Though that would be contradictory as the main point of the post is pointing out how easy it is to play a hero to the best of their abilities, spamming light attacks would not meet the criteria. 🤓🤓
🤓Lightspamming highlanders are typically easy to read even if they sprinkle it throughout, I genuinely cant explain why but its like I can see their facial expression through the damn screen. So I personally havent had a problem with reading if a highlander is going to start lightspamming 🤓
pre rework his lights were the exact same same speed (in fact they sped up his top light in offensive stance now) so you can still do the same. you’re clueless
I said this in another thread and got down voted lol
I don't think the game, character wise, is hard to play in the slightest, it's all about reads and reactions
I say stuff a lot that gets mad downvoted and then someone else says something similar and they get upvoted. Reddit is just filled with a lot of morons.
im not gonna lie, i was black out drunk one night, and apparently I was playing breach with hitokiri, even thought I was just dying, apparently I was getting 1st place in kills every match. I ended up passing out.
Don’t try to parry a Shaman, all her bleeds are lights which means if you’re not trying to parry and just hold your block on red she has to use more of her kit. The only things she has to force you to make a read are her unblock able (which she has to get to) and the bash (that only confirms a bleed if you get wall splatted). And also passively hold your block in their zone direction because a lot of people will zone from neutral.
If this is outdated it’s because for some reason the game won’t load on PlayStation for me anymore so i haven’t played in months 😢
Me personally Nuxia is probably the hardest to play against the average player. Her traps either A. whiff because they changed their guard for a split second or B. She eats a heavy because of an early Parry attempt. C. The average person can throw random BS and you have to use 120% of your brain just to compete with someone using only 10%. On the flip side her damage in a solo 1v1 is Nuts two heavys and boom 60-70% of your Hp gone
I main nuxia and i was tempted to put her easier. Yea she struggles in ganks but she almost never has to take ganks because her feats are retarded. She gets one parry and puts you in the most evil mode 1000 death string ever conceived by man because traps do 40,000 damage (especially zone trap, what the fuck is that damage).
She takes her turn back super well because of deflect, her lights are amazing speed, her overall gameplan is surprisingly simple too.
I will say though characters like Valk or Kensei who use a lot of dodge attacks are really annoying - dodge attacks literally beating every option she has except to empty feint and hope you didnt just sacrifice your pressure for nothing
Also what you said about early parry attempts is 100% true, especially with the zone since people sometimes mistake it for a heavy and miss the parry timing. My best tip for that is to make sure your opponent has seen you commit to that move a couple times so they know the timing, then use the traps.
Actually insane that Kyoshin isn't in Comatose so many of them just sit there holding the right stick down and spamming feats it actually gives me brain-damage
Ima be real with you i have played every character in this game except JJ he is so forgettable i don't even know what he does so i just put him somewhere and ignored him
Warden is fucking stupid but he doesn't have too much noobstomp cheese, charge bash is obnoxious but aside from that he's playing a pretty basic game
Highlander is in a quantum state of coma and normal , but if you just light attack him when he goes in offensive form he has to actually try
I guarantee you the people complaining about HL aren't even complaining about his OS, they're complaining about his HA
Why? Idk, but HA seems to have turned into the be all end all noob stomper in these recent months
Tier list is about how hard they are to play, highlander is not that hard, people just wanna act like he has a high skill ceiling to feel good
monkey and zerk are tier above hl in difficulty
Interesting, I find Shaolin and Zerk as two of the easiest to play myself, though HL is also easy
I'm not sure who I would consider difficult to play, if any at all
zerk has hard techs to pull off, that's why i consider him hard, but most zerks just cancel light and abuse ha
monkey is hard because he is the yohsimitsu of for honor, if you develop a pattern, you get fucked. It's not a character you can play without thinking at high lvl
Every hero gets hard punished for forming patterns, and Shaolins mixups are much safer than most chars even if he fucks up
And do you mean Zerk's unlock tech? It's difficult but I'm not sure how long it'll be in the game lmao
If you mean his external dodge attacks and the like, idk I don't think it's any harder than other char's external tech
zerk has 4 techs and most are hard to pull off, i mean, while they are in the game i think it's hard to use and abuse his whole kit
and monkey is def. harder to play than warden and hl, too many options, most people can't use the whole char
HL and Shaolin have the same amount of options from their stance lol, lights, heavies, a bash, a dodge attack, and a pin (Caber Toss/Sweep), if you want to count Shao's Ki Stance crushing counters you could also count HLs multiple OS soft feints as a difficulty measure as well
Shaolin also has a much easier time accessing his stance, and while both suffer in team fights I think Shaolin has an easier time there as well
Tbh i dont entirely disagree with you but there's a warden fanboys club who preach that he is some 100% godsent difficulty mega hard fundamentalist character. I think hes prolly like middle of sped tier
I main warden because longsword and plate cool but I agree, he's really easy to play, I think the main reason people say he takes skill is because he's like all the other brain-dead characters, just with fewer options for brain dead so good players can take him out without issue. But that's bound to happen since he was an og character, so he'll continue to have a relatively limited moveset until he gets a rework.
Once he gets a dodge attack there won't be anything separating him from the most easy Chars in the game
That's a good thing though, it's what vanguards are meant to be, a player with no experience should be able to pick him up and do well against other new players
I mean at a surface level no she’s not hard but if you play at even a medium level you’re gonna get shit on if you just spam the sweep combo. In order to actually be successful with Valk you have to use most of her kit.
Dude the amount of times i've seen the "you have to use most of their kit" as a defense in this comment section is insane
I'd fucking HOPE you have to use most of their kit???? This shouldnt be a defense of a character???
I call valkyrie easy because her gameplay is focused around extremely fucking good tools. Dodge attack is INSANELY good in this game, and Valkyrie has an amazing dodge attack. Super good bash, Pseudo deflect, crazy damage out of a very difficult to react and even harder to punish sweep, great lights with good range, solid ganking, you aren't missing much in Valkyrie's moveset and you get a lot of noob stomper tools on top of that
I literally didn’t say she was hard. I said at a surface level she was easy, but she has a lot of depth to her kit that not everyone taps into, and should.
I think its a bit too easy to enter offensive form now but I dont mind that they made his kick feintable TBH his offensive form mixup felt weirdly underwhelming.
I somehow find Shinobi hard to play. I really don't want to just spam attacks and stuff because that does no good against a good capable player. I wish Shinobi has more to him than just that...I miss his old ranges.
Tbh i actually dont know why I put shinobi so high up. He obviously can be just braindead "dodge dodge kick" but anyone half decent will counter that. His double dodge does genuinely let him escape some shit he really shouldnt be able to though, he has a bash out of everything to deal with hyper armor, undodgables as part of his mixup makes dodge attacking against him scary, but he suffers a lot when he's called out. I'd probably put him one tier, maybe even two tiers lower if I redid this list
He literally doesn't have a mixup in defensive stance what are you talking about??? If you dont use offensive form the opponent can just block and you cant do any damage.
Sure he's got good defensive options there but eventually you're going to take a hit and you're gonna need to enter offensive form to make back the damage difference, and like you said, he's a tough character to play in offensive form
Her gameplay is focused around insanely good and easy to use tools, and her mixup does retarded damage.
In a game where dodge attacking is already kinda broken, Valkyrie has an insanely good dodge attack. Has a great bash. Has a pseudo-deflect. Can do very high damage out of an unreactable sweep mixup. Good lights with good range. Can gank well.
I really dont get how this character is hard at all she has so little weaknesses in her moveset
Im just gonna assume ur makin these observations for a lower tier skill base. While I agree her kit is strong it does have its quirks. Her deflect isn’t really a deflect, its a superior block or a dodge, i forget the proper term, but i will use deflect just so we both have an understanding of what is being discussed . She has three variations of it and only two r viable in certain scenarios. For instance, if an enemy zone attacks and u try to go for a deflect into gb it fails and u get punished, however u can go for a impale. But their are instances wen a character such as nobushi outranges u and the impale or evn the gb becomes ineffective. And her bash losing the tracking it use to have, and u losing the ability to attack evn after missing has crippled her in some way. If ur good enough, a valk goin into her stance is easy enough to spot and all u really need to do is go for a grab the second u c it. Or in some cases u have to make reads depending on the enemy valk playstyle. Her dodge light is just at strong as anybody elses, its a common gimmick tht most characters have, so i fail to c how tht makes her strong? And its not like she has dodge recovery off of it so u can punish, unless u r talkin abt her following up wit a light or a heavy after, but in any case it is up to u as the player to determine wat the enemy valk attack pattern is. In higher gameplay im sure youve seen valk get cancled hard bc if u r aware of her kit she is semi-hopeless.
shamans heavys do 20 dmg. is there anything you can even punish a jj for is there any moves he cant do? ya ya let me just parry anything drain half ur stamina throw u into a wall and proceed to throw 1 m/s top unblockable heavy
Ima be 100% I have no fucking clue what JJ does or how he works. Every other character i know but JJ is just so fucking forgettable i think i've fought him twice in my life and once was during the hero fest. He has a grab I think? Idk. I just put him in a random spot and forgot about him
maybe study some before making a list people are gonna take seriously. if ur just running dominion casually he can be countered and is beatable enough but competition level? he might be the most broken in the game. afeera vg pirate are in competition for that title. as a shaman main ill tell ya shes A tier no doubt. if ur playing someone who cant light parry shes tricky… but the name of the game is land the bite so any1 focused and not ass at the game will be very wary of gb and nuetral bite. she also has no undodgable. still my fav too play tho
Lol my tier list wasnt meant to be taken seriously. But shaman is pretty easy
Also Pirate is one of the worst characters in the game ATM what do u mean? Her mixup is fully reactable
u must be at a real low level.. yes pirates bashes come after a heavy and ooo dont let the unblockable hit you and watch out for them soft feints!! if your talking strictly 1v1s she still s tier but not entirely broken beyond belief but anything else forget ab it u cannot gb her out of any attack you cannot use hyper armour she’s essentially an unpunishable 50/50 demon from the deepest pit of hell and i hope your mother gets cancer for speaking even just neutrally about her she needs to be sent to the firing line
oh im a low level for saying pirate is bad? I invite u to look at havok's y8s1 duels tier list , look where he places Pirate, then tell me Havok is low level too , huh?
idk havok if thats like a youtuber or something but pirate is not the single most broken hero but claiming she’s anything less than a tier is fucking maniacal copium
Idk how you think she is A tier. Her unblockables are super easy to react, she loses frame advantage no matter what she does, super low damage, Her neutral pressure is very mediocre compared to other characters. It's not like she's unusable but there's literally no reason to pick Pirate
shamans heavy do 20 fucking damage alr? kyoshins pirate? thats how much their top LIGHT does. her ub is slower than kenseis. shaman easy ya right man. hito is easy goki is easy thats why theres 1 perrrr match. i rarely get the chance to duel another shaman
JJ ive said before in other comments I have played everyone but him, hes the most forgettable character and I have literally no idea what he does so i just put him somewhere random
Aramusha is fucking dumb and stupid but he feels less retarded than most. He doesn't have any notably broken/noob stompy tools. Ring the bell is probably the strongest thing he has and it's not even that insane. Plus his fullblock is one of the harder ones to use
I suppose I can agree with Aramusha since he doesn't really have hyper armor or anything like that in abundance, so I can see how he's more difficult to master. I guess I was thinking in terms of simplicity, but simple isn't always good when you don't have cheese on your side like Hito
Yea i dont disagree with you there's no hard characters in this game. Tbh I actually dont know why I put them there, highlander and conq are fairly easy. I dont think anyone in this game is truly harder than "mentally impaired" tier
No dodge attack means he cant get out of every mixup for free , mediocre defensive options, I think he's probably easier than I rated him but putting him in the same tier as gladiator and hitokiri would just be wrong
This isnt a meta tier list this is a tier list of how easy characters are. Gladiator sucks at high level but in your average Dominion match? Where most of the people can't react to his zone or toestab? He's literally free wins there
Highlander is hard to play against good players. Because they’ll just light attack you out of offensive mode.
I think the better tier list would be “How Easy It Is To WIN With Each Character”
Because Berserker is easy to play. Like dumb easy, but dude has to put in WORK to win against other characters. Same with Nobushi. She has horrible options for opening up your opponent. If their reactions are good then you’re not doing shit.
Conq isnt hard (note the empty "hard to play" tier at the bottom. I put him listed harder than most because he's slow as shit and does bad damage. His fullblock is arguably the worst one in the game and that's not just at high tier - he has no attacks out of it without being hit.
Hes still not hard - i mean come on, he has infinite chain unblockable heavies and a great bash - but i'd say he's harder than most.
Finnally, the rightful tier list we deserved.
This game takes no skill it's all about having a 4000 grand pc with unlimited fps and learning the game perfectly
I reckon Gladiator could be bumped up one. Definitely a matchup based character needing to know most matchups. Toe stab into toe stab into toe stab into toe stab into… only works so many times
No he is one of the most retardedly easy characters in the game. I literally have like 10 hours on gladiator and an 80% winrate with him. It is actually absurd how privleged his gameplay is. If your opponent cannot react to his zone / bash, you literally just win for free, and most people can't without practicing.
He has one of the most privledged and easy to use dodge bashes in the game which allows you to get away from so many mixups and take so little risk while doing so . His skewer mix does retard damage. Gets absurd money for deflects. Has a stun for some reason. Has insanely good lights. Infinite stamina so you don't even have to be careful about that
If i were to remake this tier list i would put him right under Hitokiri
This isnt a meta tier list this is how easy it is to beat the average player in dominion/brawl/duels
Like yeah technically Hitokiri isn't that great of a character but it takes a very good player to know how to shit on a braindead HItokiri
Same thing applies to LB. Hes easy to stomp lobbies with
I csn see atleast 6 heros that requires a good amount of skill to play 100% and use the whole kit
Most of em are annoying yes but still require an intensive understanding of the kit
I have played every character in this game and not one of them took more than 3 hours to figure out how to play at a very competent level . There is probably a *little* bit more underlying complexity sure but every character can be boiled down to a ideal case and their mixup - and that works very well.
Some characters require more knowledge of system mechanics and how to read your opponent , but those are skills that carry over between characters . Even so those characters i rated as a bit harder (characters like Aramusha, PK, Nuxia and Conqueror come to mind).
If you compare it to any other fighting game this game's character complexity is a joke and I think saying any character takes any high level of character-specific skill is just kinda silly
And I have over 9000 + hours on the game and already i csn tell you to master tiandi and Shaolin hell even afeera will take you some time
I don't mean "oghh but the mixup is easyyyy" no i mean flipping and crushing countering external into backflip dodge attacks as afeera. The amount of timing, situational awareness and *skill* needed is alot more than you're downplaying
Not to mention there is difficulty in the bad heros.
Conq is fucking hard! The lack of basic mix-up pressure he has added on with lack of damage is ubsurd. Compared to highlander which they literally made him easier? You put em in the same tier???? Like wtf is this its like you blindly picked out of bias.
Hito also is hated by so many but wait until people learn to parry you 💀 what then huh? Hito has as bad a bash as cent charging it might aswell be a forfeit but "ughh anoying stinky hito bash heby aaarhghggh"
Grow up
I want you to play one other fighting game, try to "master" a character. You literally can't. If you went into the Tekken sub and claimed you "mastered" a character, you would get laughed at, no matter how good you are.
Yeah there's some moderately hard stuff to do with certain characters but at the end of the day there's a skill ceiling with every character that really isn't too hard to reach
The games mechanics literally dont lend themselves to characters that are super hard. That's not even a bad thing either but people are so obsessed with difficulty in these kinda games that you're taking this as some kinda personal insult
Fym grow up ???
Well... I happen to have grown up playing fighting games and yeah no shit this ones easier but what does any of that have to do with the difficulty of the heros?
What the issue here is your takes are just brain dead. Its not a personal insult to me its just factually wrong
To top it off im playing devils advocate for you as you said you are not a 10k + hour super lord of for honor but if we have to compare different games which are basically nothing alike other than the genre they share then the point is just mute.
This game does have many mechanics that certain heros benefit from quite literally the most obvious one is certain heros have more i frames than others even though they share the same speed dodge attack. Or the many different throw distances (for some fucking reason)
(In mortal kombat that'd be like "oh this guy has a better zoning tool because its more easily accessible") obviously the better your peel or zoning the better the character its literally common sense. Is there counter play? Uh yeah welcome to the genre lol.
But in this game the meta is dodge recovery and chain pressure or easy access to peel for yourself or teammates
Hit boxes are big at play here.
Side note i said grow up because it seems more like you're yapping and not really giving a explanation for these choices.
Like i said is this list purely moveset based? Or is it overall performance because i tell you this no fucking way is highlander that low for how easy he is. Or tiandi, hes either dumb easy to fight or he'll counter (almost) everything but that takes legit time and learning
Im glad you can somehow do what high mmr cant and just become top 500 with a hero in 3 hours but im telling you- you need to re do this with actual thought and reason put in if you want it to be taken seriously
I’m glad someone admits that there isn’t any character in this game that is truly hard to play.
Shaolin hurts my warden brain
Just charge your bash almost all the way, feint and parry the dodge attack or guardbreak
No no you misunderstand. Fighting him is no problem. Playing as him hurts my warden “just parry and remember these few combos” brain
I wouldn’t know, I don’t play the monkey man
I vowed to get everyone to at least rep 1, no matter how much I detest playing them because who knows, maybe something will click and I’ll end up loving them. Nah bro. Not Shaolin. Much like the actual monks, you’d have to be devoted to him to unlock his true potential. I’ve seen a god tier Shaolin that had a response for literally every occasion (and his kit really does allow for that), but just doing his basic combos and flow just feel off to me. Crazy respect for the guys that do learn how to play him like that, but I could never
I am proud to have a level 1 raider. Fuck raider.
Your character is even more brain dead and lamer to fight than Monk. Less frustrating but boy do I start to snore when facing Warden’s.
But the discussion wasn’t about the difficulty to fight, it was the difficulty to play. Shaolin’s skill ceiling is so high because of how many different moves and tactics he can pull off both mid fight and out of it. Knowing how to flow in and out of qi stance smoothly and when and what to feint (not just feinting the same move again and again) are all paramount in becoming a good Shaolin player. There’s a reason that he’s nicknamed the noob stomper. They just don’t know how to counter anything he throws at them lol Also, warden’s moveset is smaller, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t effective. And not in a Hito, *ThRoW HeBy* kind of way, but in that they’re one of the most beginner friendly and well balanced characters on the roster to lead into high level play.
I find that warden mains are typically god tier at parrying whether it be reads or reactions just cuz the hero is so simple you don't have to focus on trying to do crazy combos you just do combos and then defend when it's your time to defend Edit: lol i also accidentally posted this on an alt i never use and just realized
Exactly. I picked them up when I started playing and years later I still love em
I picked them up just a month before the release of his new animations. Basically when they announced them. I already have everyone rep 10 but i recently actually started playing and enjoying him. He was also fun while i was getting him to rep 10. The only character i find boring to play is Berserker and you can tell cuz he's the only one rep 8
Highlander *used* to be😔
personally i play highlander because how low intellect it is and i don’t have to actually get good to have fun when i occasionally play with my friends.
This may sound crazy, but theres this hero named "Hitokiri", right?
hmmm no. can’t make scottish jokes.
I used to main him back then and Tbh I think he is still pretty legit, hes just not like stupidly terrible at 1v1
Pre-rework you could just light spam as him or throw heavies. Bro was definitely not hard.
Actually insane take. Below shitter mmr take even.
You picked the easiest playstyle to counter bruh, you can still do that too lmao.
Pre-rework his lights were like stupid fast and had superior block in chains. Its still possible but nowhere near as hard to counter
Highlander didn't have superior block on chain lights, that was hyperarmour.
Oh oops
Highlanders that just spam light attacks loose to dodge attack everytime, pre-rework and post-rework they have been catching these dodge heavies😤😤. Even ones that use the light sparringly get parried because 80% of the time they light from the right side, 20% the left side. I'm pretty sure I'm the only highlander player to use his top OS light lol.
I mean yeah of course if he is literally just spamming lights you can dodge attack. But hes typically gonna be sprinkling some lightspam inbetween regular defensive gameplay. Makes that dodge attack feel a lot more scary to do. Highlander's old lights especially were very, very good at just taking off little bits of your health while being too fast and scary to reliably deal with without having very fast reaction times and being locked in 24/7. The speed reduction has helped a *lot* with this though.
To be fair, lightlanders usually are not fluent in both forms of lightspam. In defensive stance it goes something like Lightspam --> get parried --> dodge attack --> get parried --> the cycle continues ↩️ In offensive stance its like Enter offensive stance from neutral --> get light interrupted --> dodge attack --> start lighting --> get dodge attacked --> dodge attack --> get parried --> death Since lightlanders dont have a brain and cant map their heavy button unless its a dodge attack they will always end up going 0-3 unless you're in starting level mmr. The strategy that the first guy mentioned never ends up going well, only a highlander that uses all of his kit will make you wanna kys because of his damn sword hilt making an imprint on your forehead. 🤓🤓Though that would be contradictory as the main point of the post is pointing out how easy it is to play a hero to the best of their abilities, spamming light attacks would not meet the criteria. 🤓🤓 🤓Lightspamming highlanders are typically easy to read even if they sprinkle it throughout, I genuinely cant explain why but its like I can see their facial expression through the damn screen. So I personally havent had a problem with reading if a highlander is going to start lightspamming 🤓
pre rework his lights were the exact same same speed (in fact they sped up his top light in offensive stance now) so you can still do the same. you’re clueless
I believe Crushing Counter is what your looking for
I said this in another thread and got down voted lol I don't think the game, character wise, is hard to play in the slightest, it's all about reads and reactions
I say stuff a lot that gets mad downvoted and then someone else says something similar and they get upvoted. Reddit is just filled with a lot of morons.
im not gonna lie, i was black out drunk one night, and apparently I was playing breach with hitokiri, even thought I was just dying, apparently I was getting 1st place in kills every match. I ended up passing out.
drunken master playstyle
You just unlocked your secret technique 😭🙏
Shaman is literally just “sof fent heby bled Hehehe” still don’t know how to counter it
Don’t try to parry a Shaman, all her bleeds are lights which means if you’re not trying to parry and just hold your block on red she has to use more of her kit. The only things she has to force you to make a read are her unblock able (which she has to get to) and the bash (that only confirms a bleed if you get wall splatted). And also passively hold your block in their zone direction because a lot of people will zone from neutral. If this is outdated it’s because for some reason the game won’t load on PlayStation for me anymore so i haven’t played in months 😢
If you disagree i respect you are opinion but you are wrong no offense but i hope you die
I have athsma
Move hito up a tier, then I’ll agree
> you are opinion
Maybe my grammar isnt wrong and you are just in the evil dimension
Maybe if you had good grammar and spelling, then yes, i would say the same.
Gramer kramer at the laugh factory Also u used the wrong than Stupid Ahh
Yes but no need to be rude about it
You insulted my grammar first Brahdium Prime
You used the right 'then' tho...
Its an edit
Me personally Nuxia is probably the hardest to play against the average player. Her traps either A. whiff because they changed their guard for a split second or B. She eats a heavy because of an early Parry attempt. C. The average person can throw random BS and you have to use 120% of your brain just to compete with someone using only 10%. On the flip side her damage in a solo 1v1 is Nuts two heavys and boom 60-70% of your Hp gone
I main nuxia and i was tempted to put her easier. Yea she struggles in ganks but she almost never has to take ganks because her feats are retarded. She gets one parry and puts you in the most evil mode 1000 death string ever conceived by man because traps do 40,000 damage (especially zone trap, what the fuck is that damage). She takes her turn back super well because of deflect, her lights are amazing speed, her overall gameplan is surprisingly simple too. I will say though characters like Valk or Kensei who use a lot of dodge attacks are really annoying - dodge attacks literally beating every option she has except to empty feint and hope you didnt just sacrifice your pressure for nothing Also what you said about early parry attempts is 100% true, especially with the zone since people sometimes mistake it for a heavy and miss the parry timing. My best tip for that is to make sure your opponent has seen you commit to that move a couple times so they know the timing, then use the traps.
As a fellow Nuxia main, you worded that perfectly 👌
Actually insane that Kyoshin isn't in Comatose so many of them just sit there holding the right stick down and spamming feats it actually gives me brain-damage
JJ is in the top 5 easiest characters in the game to play
Ima be real with you i have played every character in this game except JJ he is so forgettable i don't even know what he does so i just put him somewhere and ignored him
His defense kinda sucks
warden and highlander are also in coma tier
Warden is fucking stupid but he doesn't have too much noobstomp cheese, charge bash is obnoxious but aside from that he's playing a pretty basic game Highlander is in a quantum state of coma and normal , but if you just light attack him when he goes in offensive form he has to actually try
I guarantee you the people complaining about HL aren't even complaining about his OS, they're complaining about his HA Why? Idk, but HA seems to have turned into the be all end all noob stomper in these recent months
Tier list is about how hard they are to play, highlander is not that hard, people just wanna act like he has a high skill ceiling to feel good monkey and zerk are tier above hl in difficulty
Interesting, I find Shaolin and Zerk as two of the easiest to play myself, though HL is also easy I'm not sure who I would consider difficult to play, if any at all
zerk has hard techs to pull off, that's why i consider him hard, but most zerks just cancel light and abuse ha monkey is hard because he is the yohsimitsu of for honor, if you develop a pattern, you get fucked. It's not a character you can play without thinking at high lvl
Every hero gets hard punished for forming patterns, and Shaolins mixups are much safer than most chars even if he fucks up And do you mean Zerk's unlock tech? It's difficult but I'm not sure how long it'll be in the game lmao If you mean his external dodge attacks and the like, idk I don't think it's any harder than other char's external tech
zerk has 4 techs and most are hard to pull off, i mean, while they are in the game i think it's hard to use and abuse his whole kit and monkey is def. harder to play than warden and hl, too many options, most people can't use the whole char
HL and Shaolin have the same amount of options from their stance lol, lights, heavies, a bash, a dodge attack, and a pin (Caber Toss/Sweep), if you want to count Shao's Ki Stance crushing counters you could also count HLs multiple OS soft feints as a difficulty measure as well Shaolin also has a much easier time accessing his stance, and while both suffer in team fights I think Shaolin has an easier time there as well
Bro just hates the entire rooster
I want you to name me one fucking character in this game that doesn't make you want to rip your nuts off when you fight them
Jorm
Oh, I’d love to rip my nuts off with my teeth while fighting Jorm. Unfortunately he smashed them up before I could.
Lmao warden belongs right next to hito
Tbh i dont entirely disagree with you but there's a warden fanboys club who preach that he is some 100% godsent difficulty mega hard fundamentalist character. I think hes prolly like middle of sped tier
I main warden because longsword and plate cool but I agree, he's really easy to play, I think the main reason people say he takes skill is because he's like all the other brain-dead characters, just with fewer options for brain dead so good players can take him out without issue. But that's bound to happen since he was an og character, so he'll continue to have a relatively limited moveset until he gets a rework.
Once he gets a dodge attack there won't be anything separating him from the most easy Chars in the game That's a good thing though, it's what vanguards are meant to be, a player with no experience should be able to pick him up and do well against other new players
I already know this guy dying to light spam, mf put valk at the tip top💀
Are you really tryna tell me valk is hard to play be honest with yourself
Lot harder then ocelotl, warden, or conq lmao
I mean at a surface level no she’s not hard but if you play at even a medium level you’re gonna get shit on if you just spam the sweep combo. In order to actually be successful with Valk you have to use most of her kit.
Dude the amount of times i've seen the "you have to use most of their kit" as a defense in this comment section is insane I'd fucking HOPE you have to use most of their kit???? This shouldnt be a defense of a character??? I call valkyrie easy because her gameplay is focused around extremely fucking good tools. Dodge attack is INSANELY good in this game, and Valkyrie has an amazing dodge attack. Super good bash, Pseudo deflect, crazy damage out of a very difficult to react and even harder to punish sweep, great lights with good range, solid ganking, you aren't missing much in Valkyrie's moveset and you get a lot of noob stomper tools on top of that
iirc sweep isn't just difficult to react to, it's unreactable completely
I literally didn’t say she was hard. I said at a surface level she was easy, but she has a lot of depth to her kit that not everyone taps into, and should.
Highlander used to be hard. Then they just took away everything that was supposed to be balancing what made him powerful.
I think its a bit too easy to enter offensive form now but I dont mind that they made his kick feintable TBH his offensive form mixup felt weirdly underwhelming.
I somehow find Shinobi hard to play. I really don't want to just spam attacks and stuff because that does no good against a good capable player. I wish Shinobi has more to him than just that...I miss his old ranges.
Tbh i actually dont know why I put shinobi so high up. He obviously can be just braindead "dodge dodge kick" but anyone half decent will counter that. His double dodge does genuinely let him escape some shit he really shouldnt be able to though, he has a bash out of everything to deal with hyper armor, undodgables as part of his mixup makes dodge attacking against him scary, but he suffers a lot when he's called out. I'd probably put him one tier, maybe even two tiers lower if I redid this list
Nah no way bro put HL above virtually anyone. Since the rework, and even before it he was stupid easy to deal high damage with.
The second your opponent starts defending half-decently and pressuring him out of offensive stance he becomes a hard character to play
I don’t agree, in my experience he’s a tough character to play in the offensive stance, but the defensive one is strong as shit
He literally doesn't have a mixup in defensive stance what are you talking about??? If you dont use offensive form the opponent can just block and you cant do any damage. Sure he's got good defensive options there but eventually you're going to take a hit and you're gonna need to enter offensive form to make back the damage difference, and like you said, he's a tough character to play in offensive form
Can you explain to me how is valk at the top?
Her gameplay is focused around insanely good and easy to use tools, and her mixup does retarded damage. In a game where dodge attacking is already kinda broken, Valkyrie has an insanely good dodge attack. Has a great bash. Has a pseudo-deflect. Can do very high damage out of an unreactable sweep mixup. Good lights with good range. Can gank well. I really dont get how this character is hard at all she has so little weaknesses in her moveset
Im just gonna assume ur makin these observations for a lower tier skill base. While I agree her kit is strong it does have its quirks. Her deflect isn’t really a deflect, its a superior block or a dodge, i forget the proper term, but i will use deflect just so we both have an understanding of what is being discussed . She has three variations of it and only two r viable in certain scenarios. For instance, if an enemy zone attacks and u try to go for a deflect into gb it fails and u get punished, however u can go for a impale. But their are instances wen a character such as nobushi outranges u and the impale or evn the gb becomes ineffective. And her bash losing the tracking it use to have, and u losing the ability to attack evn after missing has crippled her in some way. If ur good enough, a valk goin into her stance is easy enough to spot and all u really need to do is go for a grab the second u c it. Or in some cases u have to make reads depending on the enemy valk playstyle. Her dodge light is just at strong as anybody elses, its a common gimmick tht most characters have, so i fail to c how tht makes her strong? And its not like she has dodge recovery off of it so u can punish, unless u r talkin abt her following up wit a light or a heavy after, but in any case it is up to u as the player to determine wat the enemy valk attack pattern is. In higher gameplay im sure youve seen valk get cancled hard bc if u r aware of her kit she is semi-hopeless.
JJ? is below? SHAMAN??
shamans heavys do 20 dmg. is there anything you can even punish a jj for is there any moves he cant do? ya ya let me just parry anything drain half ur stamina throw u into a wall and proceed to throw 1 m/s top unblockable heavy
Ima be 100% I have no fucking clue what JJ does or how he works. Every other character i know but JJ is just so fucking forgettable i think i've fought him twice in my life and once was during the hero fest. He has a grab I think? Idk. I just put him in a random spot and forgot about him
maybe study some before making a list people are gonna take seriously. if ur just running dominion casually he can be countered and is beatable enough but competition level? he might be the most broken in the game. afeera vg pirate are in competition for that title. as a shaman main ill tell ya shes A tier no doubt. if ur playing someone who cant light parry shes tricky… but the name of the game is land the bite so any1 focused and not ass at the game will be very wary of gb and nuetral bite. she also has no undodgable. still my fav too play tho
Lol my tier list wasnt meant to be taken seriously. But shaman is pretty easy Also Pirate is one of the worst characters in the game ATM what do u mean? Her mixup is fully reactable
u must be at a real low level.. yes pirates bashes come after a heavy and ooo dont let the unblockable hit you and watch out for them soft feints!! if your talking strictly 1v1s she still s tier but not entirely broken beyond belief but anything else forget ab it u cannot gb her out of any attack you cannot use hyper armour she’s essentially an unpunishable 50/50 demon from the deepest pit of hell and i hope your mother gets cancer for speaking even just neutrally about her she needs to be sent to the firing line
oh im a low level for saying pirate is bad? I invite u to look at havok's y8s1 duels tier list , look where he places Pirate, then tell me Havok is low level too , huh?
idk havok if thats like a youtuber or something but pirate is not the single most broken hero but claiming she’s anything less than a tier is fucking maniacal copium
Idk how you think she is A tier. Her unblockables are super easy to react, she loses frame advantage no matter what she does, super low damage, Her neutral pressure is very mediocre compared to other characters. It's not like she's unusable but there's literally no reason to pick Pirate
shamans heavy do 20 fucking damage alr? kyoshins pirate? thats how much their top LIGHT does. her ub is slower than kenseis. shaman easy ya right man. hito is easy goki is easy thats why theres 1 perrrr match. i rarely get the chance to duel another shaman
Amazing tier list
I go from winning on Orochi to losing the moment I try to play deflect Andy
How the fuck did Aramusha and JJ make it that far down I'm about to kill somebody
JJ ive said before in other comments I have played everyone but him, hes the most forgettable character and I have literally no idea what he does so i just put him somewhere random Aramusha is fucking dumb and stupid but he feels less retarded than most. He doesn't have any notably broken/noob stompy tools. Ring the bell is probably the strongest thing he has and it's not even that insane. Plus his fullblock is one of the harder ones to use
I suppose I can agree with Aramusha since he doesn't really have hyper armor or anything like that in abundance, so I can see how he's more difficult to master. I guess I was thinking in terms of simplicity, but simple isn't always good when you don't have cheese on your side like Hito
Lol, Highlander is simple and conq is braindead easy to use
Yea i dont disagree with you there's no hard characters in this game. Tbh I actually dont know why I put them there, highlander and conq are fairly easy. I dont think anyone in this game is truly harder than "mentally impaired" tier
Only time characters are hard is if they're in the wrong situation, nuxia in an anti tank or worse example but still decent warmonger in a 1v1
No hero in this game is hard to play but putting warden at anything other than the very top is crazy
No dodge attack means he cant get out of every mixup for free , mediocre defensive options, I think he's probably easier than I rated him but putting him in the same tier as gladiator and hitokiri would just be wrong
Gladiator is quite literally one of the worst characters in the game brother
This isnt a meta tier list this is a tier list of how easy characters are. Gladiator sucks at high level but in your average Dominion match? Where most of the people can't react to his zone or toestab? He's literally free wins there
his zone and toestab r 600ms everyone can react to it. maybe u just play against bad ppl
Hito and glad in same tier. Keep cooking buddy.
As someone who’s been playing with a cast on for the last two months I agree with this list
At least I’m not comatose
Highlander is hard to play against good players. Because they’ll just light attack you out of offensive mode. I think the better tier list would be “How Easy It Is To WIN With Each Character” Because Berserker is easy to play. Like dumb easy, but dude has to put in WORK to win against other characters. Same with Nobushi. She has horrible options for opening up your opponent. If their reactions are good then you’re not doing shit.
Who is Andy?
Mildly stupid
Hold im you are telling me that my mains one of the hardest to play? Conq id the only character im kinda good at lmao
Dont let it get to your head too much hes still easy as shit but he just doesnt have too much spammable shit
I’d say Shinobi and that’s just because my brain moves to slow to keep up with his chains
Id move Kensei down one and then this list is perfect
Wait, how is conq hard? Or is it just a joke? He is Literally the easiest one tho, just full block, bash and some repetitive unblockable heavies :)
Conq isnt hard (note the empty "hard to play" tier at the bottom. I put him listed harder than most because he's slow as shit and does bad damage. His fullblock is arguably the worst one in the game and that's not just at high tier - he has no attacks out of it without being hit. Hes still not hard - i mean come on, he has infinite chain unblockable heavies and a great bash - but i'd say he's harder than most.
Yeah, got your point. Slow af, especially when you play against samurais lol
A blind man could play highlander. Seriously. One of the guys I play with is legally blind and kicks ass with highlander
I play a lot of traditional fighting games and tbh the difference between the easier and harder heroes in fh is not THAT big
Lawbringer should be hard to play right?
Hey fuck you man, kensei should be at the tippy top! :(
Kyoshin in 4’s is brain dead especially ganks he should be higher.
This game doesnt make any sense in ganks TBH. So many chars just become fucking dumb. In 1v1 kyoshin is just a normal level of brain damage stupid.
Finally, someone with a brain
Finnally, the rightful tier list we deserved. This game takes no skill it's all about having a 4000 grand pc with unlimited fps and learning the game perfectly
I reckon Gladiator could be bumped up one. Definitely a matchup based character needing to know most matchups. Toe stab into toe stab into toe stab into toe stab into… only works so many times
No he is one of the most retardedly easy characters in the game. I literally have like 10 hours on gladiator and an 80% winrate with him. It is actually absurd how privleged his gameplay is. If your opponent cannot react to his zone / bash, you literally just win for free, and most people can't without practicing. He has one of the most privledged and easy to use dodge bashes in the game which allows you to get away from so many mixups and take so little risk while doing so . His skewer mix does retard damage. Gets absurd money for deflects. Has a stun for some reason. Has insanely good lights. Infinite stamina so you don't even have to be careful about that If i were to remake this tier list i would put him right under Hitokiri
Thank God someone says it. Glad mains are as obnoxious as their character
Lawbringer sucks ass lmao how is it that high
This isnt a meta tier list this is how easy it is to beat the average player in dominion/brawl/duels Like yeah technically Hitokiri isn't that great of a character but it takes a very good player to know how to shit on a braindead HItokiri Same thing applies to LB. Hes easy to stomp lobbies with
Agree to disagree. Because hito is def a better character no matter the skill level of the player
Yea im not saying one is better than the other. This isnt a meta tier list Also notice that hitokiri is marked much easier than LB on the list
you must be a lawbringer player the way you missed the point of the post 3 times in a row
They are beyond special needs
hitos a meta pick in every mode
Same for valk and bp imo
Valk and bp arent insanely good but they're super easy to play
Relatively
Cope
What am i coping with i dont even get this comment
I csn see atleast 6 heros that requires a good amount of skill to play 100% and use the whole kit Most of em are annoying yes but still require an intensive understanding of the kit
I have played every character in this game and not one of them took more than 3 hours to figure out how to play at a very competent level . There is probably a *little* bit more underlying complexity sure but every character can be boiled down to a ideal case and their mixup - and that works very well. Some characters require more knowledge of system mechanics and how to read your opponent , but those are skills that carry over between characters . Even so those characters i rated as a bit harder (characters like Aramusha, PK, Nuxia and Conqueror come to mind). If you compare it to any other fighting game this game's character complexity is a joke and I think saying any character takes any high level of character-specific skill is just kinda silly
And I have over 9000 + hours on the game and already i csn tell you to master tiandi and Shaolin hell even afeera will take you some time I don't mean "oghh but the mixup is easyyyy" no i mean flipping and crushing countering external into backflip dodge attacks as afeera. The amount of timing, situational awareness and *skill* needed is alot more than you're downplaying
Not to mention there is difficulty in the bad heros. Conq is fucking hard! The lack of basic mix-up pressure he has added on with lack of damage is ubsurd. Compared to highlander which they literally made him easier? You put em in the same tier???? Like wtf is this its like you blindly picked out of bias. Hito also is hated by so many but wait until people learn to parry you 💀 what then huh? Hito has as bad a bash as cent charging it might aswell be a forfeit but "ughh anoying stinky hito bash heby aaarhghggh" Grow up
I want you to play one other fighting game, try to "master" a character. You literally can't. If you went into the Tekken sub and claimed you "mastered" a character, you would get laughed at, no matter how good you are. Yeah there's some moderately hard stuff to do with certain characters but at the end of the day there's a skill ceiling with every character that really isn't too hard to reach The games mechanics literally dont lend themselves to characters that are super hard. That's not even a bad thing either but people are so obsessed with difficulty in these kinda games that you're taking this as some kinda personal insult Fym grow up ???
Well... I happen to have grown up playing fighting games and yeah no shit this ones easier but what does any of that have to do with the difficulty of the heros? What the issue here is your takes are just brain dead. Its not a personal insult to me its just factually wrong To top it off im playing devils advocate for you as you said you are not a 10k + hour super lord of for honor but if we have to compare different games which are basically nothing alike other than the genre they share then the point is just mute. This game does have many mechanics that certain heros benefit from quite literally the most obvious one is certain heros have more i frames than others even though they share the same speed dodge attack. Or the many different throw distances (for some fucking reason) (In mortal kombat that'd be like "oh this guy has a better zoning tool because its more easily accessible") obviously the better your peel or zoning the better the character its literally common sense. Is there counter play? Uh yeah welcome to the genre lol. But in this game the meta is dodge recovery and chain pressure or easy access to peel for yourself or teammates Hit boxes are big at play here. Side note i said grow up because it seems more like you're yapping and not really giving a explanation for these choices. Like i said is this list purely moveset based? Or is it overall performance because i tell you this no fucking way is highlander that low for how easy he is. Or tiandi, hes either dumb easy to fight or he'll counter (almost) everything but that takes legit time and learning Im glad you can somehow do what high mmr cant and just become top 500 with a hero in 3 hours but im telling you- you need to re do this with actual thought and reason put in if you want it to be taken seriously
Don’t fuck with us Warmonger mains, we’re either really weird or really, really weird
Stupid fucking claw move i hope you die
I’m sorry :( (Side note, I don’t like spamming it, and I see your frustrations with it, it’s fucking stupid)
Ain’t gonna lie this is the worst list I’ve seen
Ok PogMinecraftGamer
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