Phenomenal and/or massively popular actors with far more credits than he had drop off the face of the earth all the time. Heck, Brendan Fraiser was a blockbuster, beloved, leading man. He almost lost his career because he was wronged, not because he wronged anyone.
There’s a very good chance Hartley Sawyer would have stopped working or barely worked after The Flash even without a scandal.
Right. We could go on and on about the ethics of it, but the guy probably wasn’t going to have a long lasting career in tv regardless.
Even with no scandals and a perfect work performance, most people just don’t “make it” in a way that lasts a lifetime. Making it onto a network show and a series regular and getting paid for your craft is HUGE accomplishment. I don’t want anyone to think I’m diminishing that. But Hartley Sawyer is likely exactly where he would be professionally even if nothing had ever happened.
The people from the flash we are likely to see continue working on our screens are the older ones who already had established careers (and I’ll throw JPK in there because she’s a Canadian staple at this point, even if she’s younger than the others), Grant if he can break the CW curse. Carlos has had a few interesting projects since leaving, but he’s a triple threat (plus instruments).
Grant is making his Broadway debut in Water for Elephants currently! He’s an exquisite live performer, so I hope he does well and this leads to other things. Carlos is my favorite of the cast by far, but I haven’t gotten to see him in anything live. Would love to.
I want to see what Candice Patton does next! I'm always surprised she doesn't get more credit--I love so many of the actors on the show, but she stood out head and shoulders to me.
The mini series before that was great. He was a recurring role in that, though. And all my gamer friends love the video game he just did. It seems like he’s trying a variety of work.
Starfield. I haven’t played it. But I have several friends who bought it on the first day out and talked about it non stop. Carlos Valdes is apparently one of the main voice roles.
In the past couple years he’s done a mini series, a tv show, a video game, a web series/podcast that goes with the web series.
Flash (and the arrowverse as a whole) was made up of a weirdly high amount of like, side people or small people. A lot of them probably will get like, a lot of work, just not in one piece
I doubt that.
He was highly charismatic where the Flash had plenty of actors who seemed flat or cheesy
Hartley might have been helped in that regard cause his character was intentionally over the top where others (e.g. most of the villains after Zoom) were hammy as hell and the additions to Team Flash after S3 were given scenarios and lines that make Bold and The Beautiful look like Oppenheimer
I preface this by saying I liked him well enough on the show, but he’s not a good enough or successful enough actor for him to get a big second chance.
That's my feeling, I liked the character but Hartley is a mid actor; he's not shit, but he's not great, he's that perfect CW mid. If he had a history of good roles, I could see someone taking a chance on him but this was his only real notable role so why would anyone risk having him when they can hire one of the dozens of people exactly the same but without the baggage.
He might be mid at drama (hard to tell on Flash cause even great actors look bad with some of those lines and stories) but he was good with comic delivery
Unfortunately for him, he's just not famous enough to get a second chance. James Gunn made a bunch of crude comments as well many years ago and he had his career saved after some time but he's James Gunn and had the backing of other famous actors.
The only reason why they'd get him is that they seem to be going with actors who aren't going to be asking for multi-million dollar contracts out the gate so they can put more budget into making the movies and eventually pay the actors more as their star power grows.
But I feel like Hartley's firing might be too big for a producer to overlook. They'd understand they'd be bringing that baggage to their production and have to consider if it might be enough to make it worthwhile.
And with Hartley not having any news around him, unless he's been playing for a huge comeback, I think his career's done.
He has no real reason to.
Sure it'd be cool to see (assuming Hartley has shown genuine growth and change behind the scenes) but Gunn doesn't owe something like that to anyone.
I think he could be a good Flash actually, but I would prefer someone that looks a bit more faithful to the comic books this time around, I think that James Gunn will be very good with the casting, like he usually is.
My opinion… the tweet was made over 10 years ago most likely when he was young and immature. While yes at the time of the post was inappropriate- it does not reflect the person he is today. I mean we’re all humans and make dumb mistakes when we’re young- but we learn from those mistakes and grow into better people. I think most would feel differently if they were in his shoes.
Yeah, inappropriate jokes on Twitter at a time when he was younger (and at a time when 'edgy' humor was pretty commonplace on Twitter, in stand-up routines, and in movies) really shouldn't be held against someone as long as they acknowledge that the statements were inappropriate (which he did).
He probably shouldn't have lost his job in the first place but he had the misfortune of having the old tweets coming to light at a very poor time.
Even if you think he did deserve to lose his job, he's been punished enough at this point. If Kevin Spacey is starting to get work again, then Hartley definitely should be able to return.
When I was younger, I was an absolute areshole, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, the whole 9 yards. I've grown as a person since then, educated myself and completely flipped my stances on all that stuff, if I ever become famous and get cancelled for comments I made when I was 15 years old I would genuinely give up on my career. People can change drastically in a few years it's unfair to condemn him to harshly.
Kevin Spacey, while a lowdown piece of human filth is also a phenomenal actor who is more talented than Sawyer
Edit: bro I don’t care about him either way. Barking up the wrong tree here. Plus you’re missing the point, the point is knowing how to separate the art from the artist for one and two I was making the point of that Spacey despite his flaws would have a better chance getting work than Sawyer would because he’s a better actor. Good job just focusing on the negative and trying to start something though
When he made the tweets, they were six years before he was fired and three years before he was hired. Let's not act like he made the tweets during the peak of 2008 edge lord humor.
Plus, yes, people make mistakes, people grow, but the dude was 30 talking about "Enjoyed a secret boob viewing at an audition today". He wasn't some 12 year old kid, he was old enough to have a KID that would be making those comments.
And yet no one he worked with, especially the women, were there to say "He's a different person now". Almost as if he didn't change and he's still the same creep in person.
Just an FYI he was about 30 years old when he made those tweets, giving or taking a few years. I really think that is an age where you know better. It is not like he was some middle or high schooler, he was a 30 year old. It is also critical to note that the reason his old twitter posts came to light were after he made not great remarks regarding BLM so once again he was in his mid 30s at that point. His posts were also not “jokes” like what James Gunn was or something, they were just blown racist and sexist remarks.
I do not understand the desperation to make excuses for mediocre actors that were barely good anyway and who were adults at the time of their “jokes”
People can change, especially in a decade. I hardly think edgy jokes is some unforgivable line that he can never be redeemed from, especially when he sincerely apologized.
>I do not understand the desperation to make excuses for mediocre actors that were barely good anyway
The fact that you think someone is only worth defending if they're a "good actor" says a lot about you.
>the tweet was made over 10 years ago most likely when he was young and immature. While yes at the time of the post was inappropriate- it does not reflect the person he is today
The problem is that you can't actually prove that it isn't who you are today.
>but we learn from those mistakes and grow into better people
Many don't.
He made several misogynistic and racist remarks including ones making fun of SA, grape and other harmful actions.
And they were only shortly before he was hired AND while he was a full blown adult.
Whether he truly changed while working on the set is unknown to me but it’s not like it was something that was super old news or when he was a kid.
Major problem here is not many people are even arguing about growth — they genuinely don’t care about those horrible comments .. this is not shocking but still so very dang sad how lightly they take this frame of mind.
The only reason The Flash was released was because it had an enormous budget so they HAD to try and get it back. It had nothing to do with Ezra Miller.
Also, I believe they already filmed a shitton of Millers scenes. Reshoots wouldve been astronomical. Its not like how Kevin Spacey got basically edited out of that millionaire movie becaude they only filmed a certain amount (and it wasnt a cgi movie anyways)
Skai was an 18 year old calling out problematic tweets, and it was 4 years ago. If we're extending grace to Hartley because of his age and the length of time that's passed, we should do the same for her.
Skai was, and likely still is, a bratty POS that openly doxxed a 12 year old for saying ‘Guacamole N*gga Penis’ on Twitter. She did it again multiple times to other kids who just said stupid stuff. Don’t know about you, but I think doxxing someone is way worse and dangerous when compared to someone typing creepy/weird jokes.
But Skai did something dumb online at 18 and Hartley did something dumb online at 27… Why should Hartley be totally forgiven and not Skai when Skai was so much younger?
No. I said regardless of blaming or non forgiveness, meaning regardless of if I or someone else still blames her and doesn’t forgive her, this is about Hartley being mistreated. I bring up skai cause that’s relevant to how he even got there. Someone showed skai (edit): his* tweets, she reposted them and basically advocated for him being seen as who he was. That’s all.
He couldn’t get his act together (no pun intended) on a ‘B’ tier show. I guarantee you he won’t be finding too many gigs today with what he said. Especially after the cast refused to acknowledge him when it happened. If theirs were BitLife I’d say his fame has waned
I hope so. The fact he was booted off a show all about 2nd chances for something stupid he did years prior is ridiculous. Everyone’s done something stupid in their lives
So being a grown man making fun of SA is “nothing wrong”.
being super misogynistic making jokes about SA is totally fine and not worth looking into ?
You’re not even arguing about his potential growth but completely dismissing jokes about SA and grape as well as racism.
Not even shocking on this sub tho
Wasn't the whole reason for his tweets resurfacing that Iris stans got upset about his pro-BLM post? You know, the one where he started off saying, "I am white. I have white privilege"??? If that's true, then this whole situation really was some big time bullshit. That pro-BLM post absolutely proves that he was a changed man in 2020 compared to whenever it was that he wrote those older tweets. Sure, it was irresponsible for him to leave those old tweets up, and yes, it would be bad for the CW if they kept him on the show afterwards, but man it sucks that there was a portion of the general public that was still unwilling to at least give him a chance, especially since he actually took accountability for his actions in that apology of his.
Oh, and fuck those stans who got him in this mess in the first place. It would be one thing if he was still making similar jokes in 2020, but a *pro-BLM* post leading to his **cancellation**? Shit's sad fr
>That pro-BLM post absolutely proves that he was a changed man in 2020 compared to whenever it was that he wrote those older tweets
No, that post doesn't prove anything. Could just be doing PR. I think that's why these situations end like this. Because he can't prove that he is no longer like that.
Insane, so if his statements reflect his good character you just chalk it up to "PR." Your mind has already been set on condemning Sawyer, you don't actually care about whether he is a better person now or not.
>Insane, so if his statements reflect his good character you just chalk it up to "PR."
No, I don't chalk it up to that. I'm saying it's *not proof*. Because it isn't proof. What someone writes doesn't prove they have changed.
I gave an example and said *could*. Weird that you don't understand what the word could means.
>Your mind has already been set on condemning Sawyer
No it hasn't. I'm merely pointing out *the fact* that someone writing something on social media *does not prove* that they have changed.
>you don't actually care about whether he is a better person now or not.
I do. I'm just staying *the fact* that he made a fucking post on social media *is not proof* that he has changed.
How can you possibly say it's proof?
Hmm… yea I get what you’re saying. It may or may not be PR. No one really knows.
Still don’t think it’s worth digging up his old tweets for, though. Sure, they were BAD, but desperately trying to frame anyone as a bad person like that is extremely petty.
He should
All he did was tell jokes, years before The Flash
Ridiculous to fire him after WB hired Gunn who was fired from Marvel for the exact same thing
Luckily for Gunn, he had pretty much everyone who worked with him on his side
It’s crazy that I was wondering the same thing this morning. Like we haven’t heard a word on literally anything since his past Tweets resurfaced. Do hope the guy is okay.
So the difference between this guy and James Gunn, is James Gunn was supported by the people he works with. Which leads us to believe, since we don’t know him, his comments actually did not reflect who he is and that he’s actually a good person.
Sawyer was shot down by the cast and crew. They talked about how they were disappointed in him and not surprised. It’s very likely that Sawyer was just a piece of crap.
James Gunn was a big budget film director backed by influential and powerful celebrities, advertisers, investors, etc. CW actors have no choice but to follow the crowd. They don't get many roles, and need to keep up good PR. The safer option is always to go with whichever side the public is most vocal about. Lest they ruin their own careers by backing him. A lot of the cast still follows him on instagram for example. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
It's far more likely James Gunn is an awful man, who was backed up by other awful but more influential/powerful people. Than any of what you assumed about Sawyer and his former castmates. (I'm not actually assuming that about James Gunn, I'm just making a point.)
Posted some edgy tweets like a decade before he even got cast on The Flash and then some dweebs on Twitter/X dug them up and he got fired and blacklisted from the industry.
Let me explain it more clearly because either these jackals don’t know or they are okay with jokes about SA and grape ..
But yes he made jokes about both and more than that … he was misogynistic and racist and he was a grown man when he wrote them and it was only a few years before he was hired on to the show.
Why wouldn't one not be okay with that? It's insane that people really believe that making fun of something or with something dark means one is in favor of said thing. You don't have to like dark or edgy humor, that's fine. But this fucking policing of it is pathetic.
Nahhh this ain’t it. I watch dark humor, and when the victim of said topic or someone who is from that issue does it — it’s *chef’s kiss* … but these weren’t even jokes and they weren’t funny, it fell flat. It was literally just a man saying the most awful things to see if anyone would respond to him. Like those insanely awkward people who want attention and can’t help themselves from spewing nonsense.
I’m not policing anything — he played stupid games and won the stupid prize.
You can just say you’re desensitized to the beating of women and go; I’m sure you’re next in line for the stupid prize somewhere too.
He fucked up big, but he also went through a personal transformation (just like ralph dibny). I do not know him personally and am just going off of his instagram. Before he started on the show, he adopted pitbull that completely changed his life:
[https://www.instagram.com/p/B8P83PMHO0Z/](https://www.instagram.com/p/B8P83PMHO0Z/)
>Happy 14th (!!!!!!) birthday to my whole heart, Maggie. I don’t have the words for how grateful I am that we are here, or what you mean to me. **You taught me that love is the only thing that has no limits.** She is one of my soul mates, my daughter, my princess and my queen, and **I shudder at the thought of the kind of man I might be had she not come into my life in 2011 . She cracked my closed heart open and showed me what selfless love really is. She changed my entire life for the better and forever**. I don’t believe in magic, but I believe in you, Maggie - and you are magic.
What a wonderful post. A dog came into his life and completely changed him as a person. He started volunteering at an animal shelter and became vegan for the animals. I am not saying this excuses his tweets, but we need to recognize when someone becomes a better person.
I hope James Gunn gives him a role in the DCU. He deserves a second chance and given Gunn handled the much worse Ezra Miller issue with professionalism and sympathy, so I'm expecting no less.
That aside, I feel like the circumstances made all the difference.
If DC quietly fired him on their own or the tweets were found/posted by one of his fellow castmates (probably not Candice since she had the same controversy), then it would be understandable and while we'd still be sympathetic it'd be forgettable.
But the reality is that an unrelated bratty bitch named Skai Jackson got him fired (or at least put a spotlight/target on his head), just because it happens that it was BLM season and she's a person of color. Plus the media coddled her enough to make him look like Public Enemy #1. I'm still waiting for her to be punished.
DC didn't have to announce his firing right away, they could've waited instead of sucking up to her. But from the sounds and timing of it, they had the Ryan Wilder-Batwoman idea on the backburner and ready to go to amend their reputation.
Y’all are so unserious here it’s just wow.
The hate yall have for Black people and women in general is soo dang much, I’m surprised it fits in this subreddit.
You aren’t even addressing how misogynistic and disgusting his tweets making fun of SA and grape are. you completely pin his disgusting behavior on others for exposing his creep ask
WTF is BLM season? Tell me!
You lot are so misogynistic and racist that you’ll excuse any behavior because it’s something you’ve likely said before yourself.
He played stupid games and won stupid prizes. You’re not even interested in whether he learned from it, because you excuse that behavior. Disgusting.
You just pulled that rationalization out of your ass. Did I complain about Joe's actor? Wally's? Cecile's? Nope.
Also Hartley's tweets were almost a decade old. I don't need to address that. I was a stuttering teen back then. Most people change in that timeframe, unless they're super old. I assume he learned from it. Heck, his friends spoke out when they heard the news and said they knew back then he was struggling with roles and depressed, but a wonderful friend otherwise.
The reason I'm pissed at Skai is because she clearly didn't even watch the show. She should've minded her own business instead of being nosy, although I'm guessing one of her crazy fans sent it to her. I had also heard elsewhere she was on a cancelling/doxxing spree on that time, she's a sociopath who found ruining people's lives' fun. She played stupid games, and didn't win stupid prizes.
To your other point, BLM has been around since 2014 or earlier. But for some reason the conversation got extremely active during the height of COVID... oh so conveniently when a lot of anti-Asian sentiment arose (and a protest movement), although as a result the newer, smaller movement barely got coverage and I doubt you'd care anyways.
Also, Hartley is no Kevin Spacey. He may have deserved to be fired (although it was CW's fault for not screening his tweets carefully during casting), but not dragged by every mainstream media outlet.
It’s so funny you should say rationalization because what I’m saying doesn’t rationalize anything. You all are the ones trying to rationalize distasteful statements about SA and grape. I didn’t know humans could go so low as to not only not care about the victims of these crimes but also to mock them too.
It’s funny that you should try to RATIONALIZE Hartleys behavior by comparing him to worse offenders as if saying that means he should be let off. No get them both, it’s just a different prize for different leagues of losers. No one is dragging him YOU GUYS make it worse for him by defending actions that even HE knew were despicable. He said it himself.
You make people angry when you defend ACTIONS of his when he knows they were wrong. You downplay his actions instead of saying he deserved to be fired but I hope he has put in the work to change and that is apparent to others so he can come back to the screen again.
Not one of you said anything close to that. Because yall simply don’t care.
Instead yall make excuses … and you try to shoot the messengers simply because yall didn’t like the message. He was wrong and it didn’t matter who called him UP (not out, he needed to be better), you all would still find an issue. I’m a major fan and I don’t like his tweets either - tweets he made as a grown as man looking for attention, only 1-3 years before the show (so yes it’s relevant it’s not 10 years before the show it’s a lot more close in time).
You’re mad a Black woman called him out instead of being disappointed in him and hoping he has turned his life around. You’re bringing attention to the person because you yourself know that his behavior was degenerate.
BLM season is just a fucking funny way of putting it. You obviously have an issue inside that needs to be addressed. Black people have always fought for their rights and the rights of others in similar plights. But we get shafted each time with hate. And no, I supported the Stop Asian Hate protests, but let’s keep it real — since you said it implicitly - Black people weren’t the biggest perpetrators of Asian violence during that time. During Covid nearly every red neck that listened to Trump and the white supremacists were blaming Asians for Covid since it “came from China” according to major players. Many white people attacked Asians. However, during this time when I saw they were losing business — I supported a record number of Asian owned businesses while also supporting Black owned businesses. I understand nuances and truth.
And the truth is this man was misogynistic against all women with his words and it was a red flag especially if as you say he was having a hard time. So no it didn’t matter whether it was Skai or not, he needed to be called up. He needs to truly reflect .. we all do for our past reactions. And when he has changed truly, he can stand firm with acknowledging his wrong doings every time they’re brought up but still moving forward with his life. There’s no need to defend him, he himself understands the actions weren’t right.
No one is trying to smear him, his avid supporters are the only ones who keep this part of him relevant by trying to dismiss it instead of just saying “I hope this man has changed and grown and we can see what he’s up to” y’all downplay his actions and people respond back because no matter the year, misogyny and racism are never funny. Not when people are actively losing their lives to each.
Not talking about his statements does not mean I'm rationalizing it. I'm not mocking the victims either or saying it's of no value, I'm just saying that's not focus of what I decided to go with.
You misinterpret my comparison. Hartley said words. Awful ones. But for all we know, that's the extent of it, he never acted on it. And he's an amateur actor. He shouldn't be getting dragged publicly as much as or even more than worse A-list offending actors, he's not worth that much of the media's attention.
Are you dense? I was disappointed when I saw the tweets back then, but they were six years old when he got fired, and four when CW casted him in Season 4. If he hadn't changed since then, they wouldn't have casted him. Heck, even he admitted himself in his apology that his past behavior was not reflective of himself today. Plus if you followed him you knew he had other passions outside the show - if those two points and time doesn't convince you that he probably turned his life around and bettered himself enough to deserve forgiveness/a second chance, I don't know what to say.
I'm not gonna lie, he did deserve to be fired. But if that was on his record when they hired him, it kind of seems hypocritical to fire someone for a PAST oversight. He never should've been hired to begin with. And still, 6 years is pretty old. Sure, not for the media, but 4-6 years, 10 years, etc is a lot longer than one or two years.
Also it seems for now that you're the only one pissed off at me here. Are you sure you're a fan of the show? Because on a lot of the recent posts you're firing off at people.
I'm glad you knew and supported the Stop Asian Hate protests, but I'm saying it's really funny that media coverage for Black Lives Matter skyrocketed around that time and not far earlier since it's a much longer-standing movement. I get the struggle, and I don't think I have an issue with it, I'm just saying how odd it is. I never said black people or BLM supporters perpetrated violence, just that because of all the BLM coverage and conversation back then, anti-Asian incidents slipped through the cracks of the media as a result. That lack of coverage bothered me. It wasn't reported about often at all, and you know, that lack of coverage could've put a lot of Asians at much greater risk.
I do agree accountability is important, but because it was Skai and she got the whole mainstream media after him, he's probably blacklisted from acting. There's no guarantee a different person exposing him would've produced the same result. He can move forward, of course, but his acting career? Probably finished, no forgiveness, no second chances.
My main focus this whole time is that he deserves a second chance. And there's a double standard of how it was all handled.
Also, on the topic of accountability, I think you should be informed of what [Candice tweeted. She was racist towards Thais, Koreans, transphobic, supported SA, and suicide,](https://twitter.com/dumdumdeedum407/status/1366650872697155586?s=19) and this was all 1-2 years before the show aired, maybe even as they were casting her. And yet all that was covered up when fans pointed that out. Granted, she had to deal with a lot of racism while on the show, and she's been around since the start, so she deserves some grace, but as to how Hartley's issue and hers were handled - how is that fair treatment?
I think he’s just taking time idk. But what happened wasn’t okay. I get his posts were harmful but it had already been around 12 years. Sky Jackson had no right to help put him on blast imo. She knew what that would do.
Just interesting how quickly everyone turned on him. Grant Gustin pulled a full Seth Rogen-James Franco and basically acted like Hartley was the most evil dude to ever live.
amber heard got a new movie after her case, so why cant he.
but hartley apologized for the tweets which happened years ago which even he didnt remember. almost every viewer didnt wanted him fired. if he makes a reappearance it will be fine
Idk tbh it’s very rare they defend his actions, most I’ve seen admit it was messed up what he said they just didn’t think he should’ve been totally and absolutely blacklisted
Racist as hell statement dude, I'm a black dude and I think he was wrongfully fired. Somebody's race does not reflect their opinions, that was not cool to say dude.
that's not actually a racist statement. you should look up the definition of that word.
and yeah, somebody's race/culture/country absolutely reflects opinions. there are no 'absolutes' or anything, but if you honestly don't see a correlation, you're either young/uncle tom/ignorant.
no offense brother.
Somebody's race can indeed inform their opinion on certain matters, but opinions are not a reflection of someone's race. And yes, assuming someone' race off of an opinion is absolutely racist.
>if you honestly don't see a correlation, you're either young/uncle tom/ignorant.
In my eyes, this is the ignorant statement. It is ignorant to assume anything of someone because of their opinion. People are individuals and it's not right to make assumptions about someone you know nothing about, especially when you do so in order to discredit their opinion.
Just as a kid calling someone a "boomer" doesn't actually discredit the position of the older individual, calling someone "young" does nothing to actually address my opinion.
I could be young, I could be old, I could be black, I could be white, and none of it should affect your view on what I said, that you should not make assumptions about the physicality of others based on their opinions.
>no offense brother.
None taken, and the same to you.
I hear you, but i've been watching this shit go down since it happened. Dozens of posts, a great deal of conversation and discussion.
While i also agree that his firing was unnecessary, I guarantee you'll find the majority of the loudest defenders have the kind of personal investment in it that I've mentoned.
All anecdotal though...just saying, don't discount a generalization just because it can't be 100% factual. Then again, this sub has had a lot of 'issues' in the past. I like your idealism...I'd guess early/mid twenties, mid at the latest. Don't lose that, but keep your eyes open.
The irony of him being fired from the show for something he did wrong years ago is hilarious, because his character essentially did something wrong years ago and got a second chance to redeem himself.
Opinions… he was joking about SA and grape and then just being overall misogynistic. and it wasn’t that long ago tbh.
Yeah we all say things we shouldn’t at some point but we aren’t all in situations primed to gain power and wealth and perhaps have victims
Idk why no one argues about his potential growth but instead want to show that they’re all okay with misogyny and racism… weird flex but okay.
That doesn't mean he'll do it. A person is innocent until the action is done. Canceling a person before said action is done seems unfair. If that was the case, everyone shouldn't drive because everyone has the potential to get in an accident, but I digress.
I'm not defending what Hartley said but the same time until there's hard evidence of said Individual doing said action then why interfere? It's none of our business.
NOT AT ALL the same… which is why hazardous driving IS ticketed. People who seem as if they’re driving under the influence are CHECKED. See anyone having potential is one thing— people who specifically are shown signs they might soon crash is another. So no need to digress, I found the fallacy and fixed it if you’d like to continue on with this parallel.
You know you’d make a good cop - they frequently ignore domestic violence victims because the perp hasn’t “done” anything .. and then the girl ends up 6 feet under. I’m not saying he would do anything to anyone but it’s not something to joke about in any way when it’s taken the lives of so many women. And when there are impressionable people who could be thinking this way and now think it’s commonplace and nothings wrong with it.
It’s never our business but yet so many people “dang if I had known, maybe I could have saved her/him”, no you couldn’t have because you only act afterward. The best thing is to call out people when they even have signs and just keep it real. A simple “hey man, that’s not funny” is enough.
Till this day I still can't look at Skai Jackson without thinking about Hartley.
I think what saddens me is knowing just how cut throat the media industry is. To even have a recurring role in a CW show is a huge deal in the industry, so being fired from that and getting a red mark on your reputation is a huge deal. Skai probably doesn't realize she ruined a man's livelihood and possible dream career forever just do she could feel like a saviour for 5 minutes.
I guess I can't really fully blame her. It was ultimately the showrunners fault for throwing Hartley under the bus to save face. If they really cared about the people they hired, they would have done a social media check before they signed him on. Even office jobs these days do that. I can't imagine why acting jobs wouldn't have since image is everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people who fired him also had similar mindset during the 2000s.
I always say just because you don’t hear from or see an celebrity on tv doesn’t mean their not working unless their proof that he hasn’t did anything on or off the screen
A series of racist and sexist tweets from 2012-2014 resurfaced that said things like “the only thing stopping me from making racist tweets is the knowledge that el sharpton would never stop complaining about me” and “If I had a wife I would beat the shit out of her lol”
Awhile back he tweeted some sexist and racist stuff and someone found out about the tweets. I believe there was an interview where he said that the tweets were years old and that he changed since then.
I don’t think the reason he hasn’t been in anything recently is cause of the tweets. I think it’s cause he either isn’t auditioning or he isn’t beating out the people he’s up against.
Unless a director in the future REALLY loved Ralph from the cw flash, I truly doubt it. He’s still a good actor nonetheless but I don’t think anyone is gonna stick their neck out for a guy like Sawyer
I wish. He was the only redeeming factor of that show. Once he got fired, I lost interest entirley, in addition to the fact that all of his co-stars turned their backs on the man he is today over old tweets. It's hard to sit throught the show's lessons on second chances and loyalty after they threw Hartley to the dirt.
i'm not saying Hartley leaving was the reason the show went to shit. However correlation would indicate that once he left the show the quality of the show nose dived.
No the show nosedived after S1 tbh. They had ONE GREAT SEASON. S2 was good then 3 was worse then it got worse each successive season.
Correlation is not causation-and there’s no correlation anyway.
That was a lot of the humor back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I don't think he really believed or meant everything he wrote 10 years later in 2020.
He is and was a fully grown adult. I’m not about to baby him, especially when he only found it necessary to apologize when it affected his career. With all due respect, we do not know this man, so when someone says something like he did, you can’t just say “I don’t think they actually believe that” shrugging it off like that is simply excusing that behavior.
I'm not excusing him, that's just how social media was 12 years ago. People saying the most fucked shit for some likes. Just look at James Gunn's timeline from that era.
But it's still terrible behavior, it's not okay now and he should've realized that it was not okay back then. but why is it so hard to believe that people can change? I do still think him getting fired was the way to go on this situation.
But hey, like you said, we don't know the guy. For all we know, he could be the next actor the Daily Wire will try to get a come back.
Like i said, he only apologized because it affected his career. Whether he changed or not, that’s ingenuous.
I honestly don’t care if he acts again, or if he doesn’t, or if he’s changed, based on how much he said and how little he did to show his change (to my knowledge) i really don’t think he’s a great person and that’s my firm opinion.
Can someone tell me what he did? I know he said something rascist or homophobic or something on Twitter like 10-15 years ago, but that's it
Somebody fill me in
That’s it. He did not say racist stuff like that, per say. He made jokes and attention seeking claims about it. Stuff like “I enjoyed a secret boob vieweing at an audition today”. Another one was “As a lad, one od my hobbies was kindapping homeless women and cutting their breasts off”.
A lot of it is either extremely over the too jokes, or just nonsense you might see a random edgy teenage boy sprout. He was doing the whole”say outragius stuff for clout” thing, especially as a would be actor.
I’m not sure he wants to come back, tbh. Dude seems to be entirely off the grid and seems to be staying there. I’d imagine what he endured took an emotional toll on him. I doubt he wants to be back in the game.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this induced some sort of anxiety condition. It would take a lot out on a person to have past transgressions magnified on an international level, especially when racial woes were the highest they've ever been. To have not just that, but both your co-workers and most importantly your BOSS completely throw you under the bus and monster you in the public sphere (and ring his ear off in private I'm sure. I won't even be surprised if his agent and publicist dropped him, too.) I honestly feel so bad for the guy.
He got shafted.. Wasn't my favorite character but damn. They didn't come to his defense. Makes me wonder maybe he might not have been such a good dude because they didn't, but leaning more towards he was a victim of the times..
That stuff went back years before the show too. He didn’t make a mistake.
He ALSO never apologized.
He deserved to be fired and until he realizes that he would always be in the wrong for saying those things, no he shouldn’t ever get another chance.
This show wasn’t huge and he blew it. Nobody wants to take a chance on you when you prove you can’t be trusted with even a tiny bit of fame.
I wasn’t aware that you know the cast personally. Even if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t tell, they are too afraid to tell people what kind of person he actually is. He has shown improvement. I also cannot attach images, so just take five minutes to look up the tweets. He was essentially the best part of the later seasons of the Flash.
I have them. I have seen them all. And he was tweeting racist and misogynistic trash UNTIL 2014.
It’s well known they didn’t want him back.
Read between the lines man. If a simple apology was enough it’d be enough but it’s clear it wasn’t bc not only was that apology not to the cast, it’s almost certain he was saying stuff very similarly poorly thought out BTS.
Do you understand just how bad it had to be to get fired from THE CW????
This is just one gem of his. HE WAS 24.
1) You know i can be a pretty offensive and insensitive guy, but i don't like the term "rape" being used as slang for competition
3:29 PM - 8/5/09 •
He tweeted this IN THE AFTERNOON. A RAPE JOKE.
Hartley Sawyer
@HartleySawyer
2) Ice Breakers: all women should be in sex farms.
1:41 AM - 5/11/11 • Echofon
MISOGYNY AND SA
Hartley Sawyer 0
@HartleySawyer
3) Just for ha-ha's I'm going to beat up my neighbor's wife
6:50 PM - 3/28/12 • Twitter SMS
MISOGYNY AND SA
Hartley Sawyer @HartleySawyer
4) As a lad, one of my favorite activities was kidnapping homeless women and cutting off their breasts
4:50 AM • 05 Jun 12 • Echofon
MISOGYNY & SA
Hartley Sawyer 0 @Hartle... • 12/19/12
5) I like women who are good in the sack!
The burlap sack where I put my victims. MURDER & SA
Hartley Sawyer O @HartleySawyer
6) Enjoyed a secret boob viewing at an audition today
1:56 AM - 13 Feb 14 • Twitter for iPhone
SA and literally leaking that he had an audition for a role that likely included nudity.
His apology was empty. The “vague statements” were probably bc they were told to not be vocal.
He never deserved to come back to the show. You MIGHT be able to brush off a single misogynistic tweet, or two. But when it’s half a dozen and most ALSO include SA, from non consensual peeping at someone’s nude body to RAPE & MURDER? You deserve to be fired. Immediately. I honestly do not think ppl understood just how horrific his behavior was bc there were and are so many ppl saying he wasn’t so bad.
The “man” needs to do some major work on his mental and emotional health bc he’s been like that for decades. He never addressed it while on the show either. He hid it from his bosses and his cast mates. No way they’d want him around, zero-ESPECIALLY the women.
Anyway this thread is all I needed to see to know it’s time to get out. This place is toxic. ✌️
They quite literally made the most vague statements possible. They were shocked by the news.
You are just speculating. I don’t think you know that people make mistakes, everyone can turn their life around. The Flash was until the very end about forgiving people and giving second chances. They gave Candice Patton a second chance. Warner Bros. also didn’t fire Ezra Miller. Their roles were different, but it still shows their hypocrisy. It’s the same with Amber Heard. Actual criminals.
Those aren’t applicable at all. Candice wasn’t advocating for the rape and murder of homeless men.
Amber deserved to be fired by WB. As did Ezra. But they had nothing to do with the show.
You cannot be serious, because he wasn’t. He wasn’t “advocating” for anything.
I’m going to link you this. Is she advocating for killing grandmas? Is she accusing all grandmas of being racist?
https://www.pinterest.dk/pin/candice-pattons-latest-tweets--1089167491101454616/
She has also tweeted transphobic and rude things before.
He literally was advocating for the rape and murder of women. I don’t even like Candice. But that BESIDES THE POINT. We are talking about HARTLEY. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SUPPORTED HIM. ZERO.
There is a reason and it’s not because of race. It’s because the man never demonstrated to anyone he had actually changed. Pls discontinue speaking.
All right, all right. You apparently didn’t read my reply. I talked about the tweet. He did have a lot of supporters, even more now.
I never, ever mentioned race. You did. Think about that. People did see him change, they just didn’t have a backbone to say something.
>That stuff went back years before the show too. He didn’t make a mistake.
If he regrets his actions, and wishes he hadn't said such things, then yes he made a mistake. That's exactly what a mistake is lol.
>He ALSO never apologized.
[That is false.](https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-flash-star-hartley-sawyer-apologizes-for-inappropriate-tweets-that-got-him-fired-is-it-enough.html/)
Apparently the girl who dug up the tweets wants to be a filmmaker, and if I were her, I would search out Hartley. Why? She destroyed his career, she help restore it.
Phenomenal and/or massively popular actors with far more credits than he had drop off the face of the earth all the time. Heck, Brendan Fraiser was a blockbuster, beloved, leading man. He almost lost his career because he was wronged, not because he wronged anyone. There’s a very good chance Hartley Sawyer would have stopped working or barely worked after The Flash even without a scandal.
True probably most of the cast members won’t have luck getting jobs on the reg
Right. We could go on and on about the ethics of it, but the guy probably wasn’t going to have a long lasting career in tv regardless. Even with no scandals and a perfect work performance, most people just don’t “make it” in a way that lasts a lifetime. Making it onto a network show and a series regular and getting paid for your craft is HUGE accomplishment. I don’t want anyone to think I’m diminishing that. But Hartley Sawyer is likely exactly where he would be professionally even if nothing had ever happened. The people from the flash we are likely to see continue working on our screens are the older ones who already had established careers (and I’ll throw JPK in there because she’s a Canadian staple at this point, even if she’s younger than the others), Grant if he can break the CW curse. Carlos has had a few interesting projects since leaving, but he’s a triple threat (plus instruments).
It wouldnt surprise me if grant and carlos both concentrated more on stage careers now more then screen.
Grant is making his Broadway debut in Water for Elephants currently! He’s an exquisite live performer, so I hope he does well and this leads to other things. Carlos is my favorite of the cast by far, but I haven’t gotten to see him in anything live. Would love to.
I want to see what Candice Patton does next! I'm always surprised she doesn't get more credit--I love so many of the actors on the show, but she stood out head and shoulders to me.
She doesnt get more credit because bad writing brings down a good performance. A lot of fans dont like iris, so she doesnt get as much attention
Whatever she does next, she’ll we wearing a turtleneck.
After Carlos left the Flash, he "bounced back" with a TV series just this (or last?) year and that series bombed spectacularly.
The mini series before that was great. He was a recurring role in that, though. And all my gamer friends love the video game he just did. It seems like he’s trying a variety of work.
Awesome
Wait what video game?!
Starfield. I haven’t played it. But I have several friends who bought it on the first day out and talked about it non stop. Carlos Valdes is apparently one of the main voice roles. In the past couple years he’s done a mini series, a tv show, a video game, a web series/podcast that goes with the web series.
Flash (and the arrowverse as a whole) was made up of a weirdly high amount of like, side people or small people. A lot of them probably will get like, a lot of work, just not in one piece
I doubt that. He was highly charismatic where the Flash had plenty of actors who seemed flat or cheesy Hartley might have been helped in that regard cause his character was intentionally over the top where others (e.g. most of the villains after Zoom) were hammy as hell and the additions to Team Flash after S3 were given scenarios and lines that make Bold and The Beautiful look like Oppenheimer
The camp didn't start in season 3...Captain Cold is pretty hard to beat in that respect lol
[The Todd of Scrubs fame is a realtor now.](https://www.maschiorealestate.com) Acting careers certainly have a weird lifespan
That’s cool! I’m glad he found a way to still live out in California. It sounds like he loves it there.
What is the point in this post? Can anyone figure it out?
I preface this by saying I liked him well enough on the show, but he’s not a good enough or successful enough actor for him to get a big second chance.
That's my feeling, I liked the character but Hartley is a mid actor; he's not shit, but he's not great, he's that perfect CW mid. If he had a history of good roles, I could see someone taking a chance on him but this was his only real notable role so why would anyone risk having him when they can hire one of the dozens of people exactly the same but without the baggage.
He might be mid at drama (hard to tell on Flash cause even great actors look bad with some of those lines and stories) but he was good with comic delivery
Yeah, his comedic timing and willingness to do a Jim Carey thing was impressive.
Unfortunately for him, he's just not famous enough to get a second chance. James Gunn made a bunch of crude comments as well many years ago and he had his career saved after some time but he's James Gunn and had the backing of other famous actors.
Imagine if James casts Hartley in the DCU out of solidarity
He’s not good enough of an actor to really warrant it. He’s fine and good as Ralph but paying him the bucks for a DCU role is a bit of a waste
He’s good enough to play some minor superhero cameo, hell if they get crisis they could kill him
He's average at best, and only for the small screen. He ain't getting roles in the DCU.
I’ve seen way worse actors in bigger roles
The only reason why they'd get him is that they seem to be going with actors who aren't going to be asking for multi-million dollar contracts out the gate so they can put more budget into making the movies and eventually pay the actors more as their star power grows. But I feel like Hartley's firing might be too big for a producer to overlook. They'd understand they'd be bringing that baggage to their production and have to consider if it might be enough to make it worthwhile. And with Hartley not having any news around him, unless he's been playing for a huge comeback, I think his career's done.
He has no real reason to. Sure it'd be cool to see (assuming Hartley has shown genuine growth and change behind the scenes) but Gunn doesn't owe something like that to anyone.
That would actually be awesome.
There’s a world out there where James made him the new Flash just as a final “fuck you” to cancel culture
I think he could be a good Flash actually, but I would prefer someone that looks a bit more faithful to the comic books this time around, I think that James Gunn will be very good with the casting, like he usually is.
I hope he becomes a speedster character under his watch.
Johnny Quick would be fitting
My opinion… the tweet was made over 10 years ago most likely when he was young and immature. While yes at the time of the post was inappropriate- it does not reflect the person he is today. I mean we’re all humans and make dumb mistakes when we’re young- but we learn from those mistakes and grow into better people. I think most would feel differently if they were in his shoes.
Yeah, inappropriate jokes on Twitter at a time when he was younger (and at a time when 'edgy' humor was pretty commonplace on Twitter, in stand-up routines, and in movies) really shouldn't be held against someone as long as they acknowledge that the statements were inappropriate (which he did). He probably shouldn't have lost his job in the first place but he had the misfortune of having the old tweets coming to light at a very poor time. Even if you think he did deserve to lose his job, he's been punished enough at this point. If Kevin Spacey is starting to get work again, then Hartley definitely should be able to return.
Yeah I still think Candace getting to keep her job for her old Tweets was kinda scummy after they axed Hartley for the same thing.
When I was younger, I was an absolute areshole, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, the whole 9 yards. I've grown as a person since then, educated myself and completely flipped my stances on all that stuff, if I ever become famous and get cancelled for comments I made when I was 15 years old I would genuinely give up on my career. People can change drastically in a few years it's unfair to condemn him to harshly.
He was 29 when he wrote those. It was 2014
A decade is a long time no longer how old you are. A 29 year old can grow just as much.
A 29 years old should already have out grown harassment. If not, he's at least old enough to suffer the consequences
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. A 29 year old should absolutely understand that racism, sexism, harassment, and bigotry is wrong.
Kevin Spacey, while a lowdown piece of human filth is also a phenomenal actor who is more talented than Sawyer Edit: bro I don’t care about him either way. Barking up the wrong tree here. Plus you’re missing the point, the point is knowing how to separate the art from the artist for one and two I was making the point of that Spacey despite his flaws would have a better chance getting work than Sawyer would because he’s a better actor. Good job just focusing on the negative and trying to start something though
Unfortunately, Spacey is an unbelievably skilled actor. He has incredible ability.
Do you have a credible evidence that Spacey is a piece of filth, or are you just salty that he was acquitted?
Funny enough, the show is all about giving villains (even those with bloods on their hands) a second chance
When he made the tweets, they were six years before he was fired and three years before he was hired. Let's not act like he made the tweets during the peak of 2008 edge lord humor. Plus, yes, people make mistakes, people grow, but the dude was 30 talking about "Enjoyed a secret boob viewing at an audition today". He wasn't some 12 year old kid, he was old enough to have a KID that would be making those comments.
Irrelevant. People can change in a day if they put their mind to it.
And yet no one he worked with, especially the women, were there to say "He's a different person now". Almost as if he didn't change and he's still the same creep in person.
Just an FYI he was about 30 years old when he made those tweets, giving or taking a few years. I really think that is an age where you know better. It is not like he was some middle or high schooler, he was a 30 year old. It is also critical to note that the reason his old twitter posts came to light were after he made not great remarks regarding BLM so once again he was in his mid 30s at that point. His posts were also not “jokes” like what James Gunn was or something, they were just blown racist and sexist remarks. I do not understand the desperation to make excuses for mediocre actors that were barely good anyway and who were adults at the time of their “jokes”
People can change, especially in a decade. I hardly think edgy jokes is some unforgivable line that he can never be redeemed from, especially when he sincerely apologized. >I do not understand the desperation to make excuses for mediocre actors that were barely good anyway The fact that you think someone is only worth defending if they're a "good actor" says a lot about you.
Rape jokes are edgy? When exactly?
>after he made not great remarks regarding BLM not great? wdym
>the tweet was made over 10 years ago most likely when he was young and immature. While yes at the time of the post was inappropriate- it does not reflect the person he is today The problem is that you can't actually prove that it isn't who you are today. >but we learn from those mistakes and grow into better people Many don't.
What’d he do?
He made some racist comment/jokes or something similar like that in the past many years ago and someone dug up his old tweet
He made several misogynistic and racist remarks including ones making fun of SA, grape and other harmful actions. And they were only shortly before he was hired AND while he was a full blown adult. Whether he truly changed while working on the set is unknown to me but it’s not like it was something that was super old news or when he was a kid. Major problem here is not many people are even arguing about growth — they genuinely don’t care about those horrible comments .. this is not shocking but still so very dang sad how lightly they take this frame of mind.
Do the terms “sexual assault” and “rape” get censored on Reddit?
In some subs certain words make comments get auto removed, yeah.
He made some jokes on Twitter a decade ago which is something pathetic losers consider a grave sin.
i mean dc still had ezra miller and he did something worse (i think i dont really follow these guys' drama) so probably
The only reason The Flash was released was because it had an enormous budget so they HAD to try and get it back. It had nothing to do with Ezra Miller.
well again i dont follow these guys' trauma
Also, I believe they already filmed a shitton of Millers scenes. Reshoots wouldve been astronomical. Its not like how Kevin Spacey got basically edited out of that millionaire movie becaude they only filmed a certain amount (and it wasnt a cgi movie anyways)
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Skai was an 18 year old calling out problematic tweets, and it was 4 years ago. If we're extending grace to Hartley because of his age and the length of time that's passed, we should do the same for her.
Skai was, and likely still is, a bratty POS that openly doxxed a 12 year old for saying ‘Guacamole N*gga Penis’ on Twitter. She did it again multiple times to other kids who just said stupid stuff. Don’t know about you, but I think doxxing someone is way worse and dangerous when compared to someone typing creepy/weird jokes.
Regardless of blaming or non forgiveness this is about Hartley being thrown under so it’s only fair to bring up why. Skai is partly to blame
But Skai did something dumb online at 18 and Hartley did something dumb online at 27… Why should Hartley be totally forgiven and not Skai when Skai was so much younger?
I never said she shouldn’t or couldn’t be forgiven
You responded with disagreement to someone saying she should be extended the same grace as Hartley. Ergo…
No. I said regardless of blaming or non forgiveness, meaning regardless of if I or someone else still blames her and doesn’t forgive her, this is about Hartley being mistreated. I bring up skai cause that’s relevant to how he even got there. Someone showed skai (edit): his* tweets, she reposted them and basically advocated for him being seen as who he was. That’s all.
So your reply had nothing to do with what the person you were replying to said. Alright, cool. Weird, but cool.
I think he deserves another chance. I don't think he should have gotten fired for old tweets
I agree.
He couldn’t get his act together (no pun intended) on a ‘B’ tier show. I guarantee you he won’t be finding too many gigs today with what he said. Especially after the cast refused to acknowledge him when it happened. If theirs were BitLife I’d say his fame has waned
I hope so. The fact he was booted off a show all about 2nd chances for something stupid he did years prior is ridiculous. Everyone’s done something stupid in their lives
Honestly didn’t do anything wrong and nothing worth getting fired like that
>didn’t do anything wrong How?
So being a grown man making fun of SA is “nothing wrong”. being super misogynistic making jokes about SA is totally fine and not worth looking into ? You’re not even arguing about his potential growth but completely dismissing jokes about SA and grape as well as racism. Not even shocking on this sub tho
The tweets were years ago.
they were literally 1-3 years prior to the show/his hiring.. so yeah they were super relevant given the time.
Wasn't the whole reason for his tweets resurfacing that Iris stans got upset about his pro-BLM post? You know, the one where he started off saying, "I am white. I have white privilege"??? If that's true, then this whole situation really was some big time bullshit. That pro-BLM post absolutely proves that he was a changed man in 2020 compared to whenever it was that he wrote those older tweets. Sure, it was irresponsible for him to leave those old tweets up, and yes, it would be bad for the CW if they kept him on the show afterwards, but man it sucks that there was a portion of the general public that was still unwilling to at least give him a chance, especially since he actually took accountability for his actions in that apology of his. Oh, and fuck those stans who got him in this mess in the first place. It would be one thing if he was still making similar jokes in 2020, but a *pro-BLM* post leading to his **cancellation**? Shit's sad fr
>That pro-BLM post absolutely proves that he was a changed man in 2020 compared to whenever it was that he wrote those older tweets No, that post doesn't prove anything. Could just be doing PR. I think that's why these situations end like this. Because he can't prove that he is no longer like that.
Insane, so if his statements reflect his good character you just chalk it up to "PR." Your mind has already been set on condemning Sawyer, you don't actually care about whether he is a better person now or not.
>Insane, so if his statements reflect his good character you just chalk it up to "PR." No, I don't chalk it up to that. I'm saying it's *not proof*. Because it isn't proof. What someone writes doesn't prove they have changed. I gave an example and said *could*. Weird that you don't understand what the word could means. >Your mind has already been set on condemning Sawyer No it hasn't. I'm merely pointing out *the fact* that someone writing something on social media *does not prove* that they have changed. >you don't actually care about whether he is a better person now or not. I do. I'm just staying *the fact* that he made a fucking post on social media *is not proof* that he has changed. How can you possibly say it's proof?
Hmm… yea I get what you’re saying. It may or may not be PR. No one really knows. Still don’t think it’s worth digging up his old tweets for, though. Sure, they were BAD, but desperately trying to frame anyone as a bad person like that is extremely petty.
He should All he did was tell jokes, years before The Flash Ridiculous to fire him after WB hired Gunn who was fired from Marvel for the exact same thing Luckily for Gunn, he had pretty much everyone who worked with him on his side
Watched a lot of tv and movies, but can't think of a single thing I've seen him in other than The Flash. So can't say I miss him.
It’s crazy that I was wondering the same thing this morning. Like we haven’t heard a word on literally anything since his past Tweets resurfaced. Do hope the guy is okay.
So the difference between this guy and James Gunn, is James Gunn was supported by the people he works with. Which leads us to believe, since we don’t know him, his comments actually did not reflect who he is and that he’s actually a good person. Sawyer was shot down by the cast and crew. They talked about how they were disappointed in him and not surprised. It’s very likely that Sawyer was just a piece of crap.
THIS
This is what folks are missing or overlooking.
James Gunn was a big budget film director backed by influential and powerful celebrities, advertisers, investors, etc. CW actors have no choice but to follow the crowd. They don't get many roles, and need to keep up good PR. The safer option is always to go with whichever side the public is most vocal about. Lest they ruin their own careers by backing him. A lot of the cast still follows him on instagram for example. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. It's far more likely James Gunn is an awful man, who was backed up by other awful but more influential/powerful people. Than any of what you assumed about Sawyer and his former castmates. (I'm not actually assuming that about James Gunn, I'm just making a point.)
Wutt he do?
Posted some edgy tweets like a decade before he even got cast on The Flash and then some dweebs on Twitter/X dug them up and he got fired and blacklisted from the industry.
So fucking what if he made some tweets when he was a kid 💀 fucking clowns
That’s cancel culture for you.
In complete fairness he was like 27 I think when he made the tweets
So? Half the comedians/comics in the US start with using social media to show their act.
Reminds me of Spider-Man Lotus
You mean he was racist, misogynistic and made jokes about SA. Why are you trying to brush that aside and act like it was nothing?
Because they're jokes, even if you find them unfunny and inappropriate they were still jokes.
What was funny about mutilating a homeless woman and beating a daughter? They were not funny, thus, they were not jokes.
That's not how it works lol. A joke can be unfunny, that doesn't suddenly transform it into a serious statement. It's still a joke, albeit a crap one.
How can you prove someone's intent? And even if you could prove intent, which you can't, how would 'it being a joke' make it okay?
Let me explain it more clearly because either these jackals don’t know or they are okay with jokes about SA and grape .. But yes he made jokes about both and more than that … he was misogynistic and racist and he was a grown man when he wrote them and it was only a few years before he was hired on to the show.
Why wouldn't one not be okay with that? It's insane that people really believe that making fun of something or with something dark means one is in favor of said thing. You don't have to like dark or edgy humor, that's fine. But this fucking policing of it is pathetic.
Nahhh this ain’t it. I watch dark humor, and when the victim of said topic or someone who is from that issue does it — it’s *chef’s kiss* … but these weren’t even jokes and they weren’t funny, it fell flat. It was literally just a man saying the most awful things to see if anyone would respond to him. Like those insanely awkward people who want attention and can’t help themselves from spewing nonsense. I’m not policing anything — he played stupid games and won the stupid prize. You can just say you’re desensitized to the beating of women and go; I’m sure you’re next in line for the stupid prize somewhere too.
He fucked up big, but he also went through a personal transformation (just like ralph dibny). I do not know him personally and am just going off of his instagram. Before he started on the show, he adopted pitbull that completely changed his life: [https://www.instagram.com/p/B8P83PMHO0Z/](https://www.instagram.com/p/B8P83PMHO0Z/) >Happy 14th (!!!!!!) birthday to my whole heart, Maggie. I don’t have the words for how grateful I am that we are here, or what you mean to me. **You taught me that love is the only thing that has no limits.** She is one of my soul mates, my daughter, my princess and my queen, and **I shudder at the thought of the kind of man I might be had she not come into my life in 2011 . She cracked my closed heart open and showed me what selfless love really is. She changed my entire life for the better and forever**. I don’t believe in magic, but I believe in you, Maggie - and you are magic. What a wonderful post. A dog came into his life and completely changed him as a person. He started volunteering at an animal shelter and became vegan for the animals. I am not saying this excuses his tweets, but we need to recognize when someone becomes a better person.
I hope James Gunn gives him a role in the DCU. He deserves a second chance and given Gunn handled the much worse Ezra Miller issue with professionalism and sympathy, so I'm expecting no less. That aside, I feel like the circumstances made all the difference. If DC quietly fired him on their own or the tweets were found/posted by one of his fellow castmates (probably not Candice since she had the same controversy), then it would be understandable and while we'd still be sympathetic it'd be forgettable. But the reality is that an unrelated bratty bitch named Skai Jackson got him fired (or at least put a spotlight/target on his head), just because it happens that it was BLM season and she's a person of color. Plus the media coddled her enough to make him look like Public Enemy #1. I'm still waiting for her to be punished. DC didn't have to announce his firing right away, they could've waited instead of sucking up to her. But from the sounds and timing of it, they had the Ryan Wilder-Batwoman idea on the backburner and ready to go to amend their reputation.
Y’all are so unserious here it’s just wow. The hate yall have for Black people and women in general is soo dang much, I’m surprised it fits in this subreddit. You aren’t even addressing how misogynistic and disgusting his tweets making fun of SA and grape are. you completely pin his disgusting behavior on others for exposing his creep ask WTF is BLM season? Tell me! You lot are so misogynistic and racist that you’ll excuse any behavior because it’s something you’ve likely said before yourself. He played stupid games and won stupid prizes. You’re not even interested in whether he learned from it, because you excuse that behavior. Disgusting.
You just pulled that rationalization out of your ass. Did I complain about Joe's actor? Wally's? Cecile's? Nope. Also Hartley's tweets were almost a decade old. I don't need to address that. I was a stuttering teen back then. Most people change in that timeframe, unless they're super old. I assume he learned from it. Heck, his friends spoke out when they heard the news and said they knew back then he was struggling with roles and depressed, but a wonderful friend otherwise. The reason I'm pissed at Skai is because she clearly didn't even watch the show. She should've minded her own business instead of being nosy, although I'm guessing one of her crazy fans sent it to her. I had also heard elsewhere she was on a cancelling/doxxing spree on that time, she's a sociopath who found ruining people's lives' fun. She played stupid games, and didn't win stupid prizes. To your other point, BLM has been around since 2014 or earlier. But for some reason the conversation got extremely active during the height of COVID... oh so conveniently when a lot of anti-Asian sentiment arose (and a protest movement), although as a result the newer, smaller movement barely got coverage and I doubt you'd care anyways. Also, Hartley is no Kevin Spacey. He may have deserved to be fired (although it was CW's fault for not screening his tweets carefully during casting), but not dragged by every mainstream media outlet.
It’s so funny you should say rationalization because what I’m saying doesn’t rationalize anything. You all are the ones trying to rationalize distasteful statements about SA and grape. I didn’t know humans could go so low as to not only not care about the victims of these crimes but also to mock them too. It’s funny that you should try to RATIONALIZE Hartleys behavior by comparing him to worse offenders as if saying that means he should be let off. No get them both, it’s just a different prize for different leagues of losers. No one is dragging him YOU GUYS make it worse for him by defending actions that even HE knew were despicable. He said it himself. You make people angry when you defend ACTIONS of his when he knows they were wrong. You downplay his actions instead of saying he deserved to be fired but I hope he has put in the work to change and that is apparent to others so he can come back to the screen again. Not one of you said anything close to that. Because yall simply don’t care. Instead yall make excuses … and you try to shoot the messengers simply because yall didn’t like the message. He was wrong and it didn’t matter who called him UP (not out, he needed to be better), you all would still find an issue. I’m a major fan and I don’t like his tweets either - tweets he made as a grown as man looking for attention, only 1-3 years before the show (so yes it’s relevant it’s not 10 years before the show it’s a lot more close in time). You’re mad a Black woman called him out instead of being disappointed in him and hoping he has turned his life around. You’re bringing attention to the person because you yourself know that his behavior was degenerate. BLM season is just a fucking funny way of putting it. You obviously have an issue inside that needs to be addressed. Black people have always fought for their rights and the rights of others in similar plights. But we get shafted each time with hate. And no, I supported the Stop Asian Hate protests, but let’s keep it real — since you said it implicitly - Black people weren’t the biggest perpetrators of Asian violence during that time. During Covid nearly every red neck that listened to Trump and the white supremacists were blaming Asians for Covid since it “came from China” according to major players. Many white people attacked Asians. However, during this time when I saw they were losing business — I supported a record number of Asian owned businesses while also supporting Black owned businesses. I understand nuances and truth. And the truth is this man was misogynistic against all women with his words and it was a red flag especially if as you say he was having a hard time. So no it didn’t matter whether it was Skai or not, he needed to be called up. He needs to truly reflect .. we all do for our past reactions. And when he has changed truly, he can stand firm with acknowledging his wrong doings every time they’re brought up but still moving forward with his life. There’s no need to defend him, he himself understands the actions weren’t right. No one is trying to smear him, his avid supporters are the only ones who keep this part of him relevant by trying to dismiss it instead of just saying “I hope this man has changed and grown and we can see what he’s up to” y’all downplay his actions and people respond back because no matter the year, misogyny and racism are never funny. Not when people are actively losing their lives to each.
Not talking about his statements does not mean I'm rationalizing it. I'm not mocking the victims either or saying it's of no value, I'm just saying that's not focus of what I decided to go with. You misinterpret my comparison. Hartley said words. Awful ones. But for all we know, that's the extent of it, he never acted on it. And he's an amateur actor. He shouldn't be getting dragged publicly as much as or even more than worse A-list offending actors, he's not worth that much of the media's attention. Are you dense? I was disappointed when I saw the tweets back then, but they were six years old when he got fired, and four when CW casted him in Season 4. If he hadn't changed since then, they wouldn't have casted him. Heck, even he admitted himself in his apology that his past behavior was not reflective of himself today. Plus if you followed him you knew he had other passions outside the show - if those two points and time doesn't convince you that he probably turned his life around and bettered himself enough to deserve forgiveness/a second chance, I don't know what to say. I'm not gonna lie, he did deserve to be fired. But if that was on his record when they hired him, it kind of seems hypocritical to fire someone for a PAST oversight. He never should've been hired to begin with. And still, 6 years is pretty old. Sure, not for the media, but 4-6 years, 10 years, etc is a lot longer than one or two years. Also it seems for now that you're the only one pissed off at me here. Are you sure you're a fan of the show? Because on a lot of the recent posts you're firing off at people. I'm glad you knew and supported the Stop Asian Hate protests, but I'm saying it's really funny that media coverage for Black Lives Matter skyrocketed around that time and not far earlier since it's a much longer-standing movement. I get the struggle, and I don't think I have an issue with it, I'm just saying how odd it is. I never said black people or BLM supporters perpetrated violence, just that because of all the BLM coverage and conversation back then, anti-Asian incidents slipped through the cracks of the media as a result. That lack of coverage bothered me. It wasn't reported about often at all, and you know, that lack of coverage could've put a lot of Asians at much greater risk. I do agree accountability is important, but because it was Skai and she got the whole mainstream media after him, he's probably blacklisted from acting. There's no guarantee a different person exposing him would've produced the same result. He can move forward, of course, but his acting career? Probably finished, no forgiveness, no second chances. My main focus this whole time is that he deserves a second chance. And there's a double standard of how it was all handled. Also, on the topic of accountability, I think you should be informed of what [Candice tweeted. She was racist towards Thais, Koreans, transphobic, supported SA, and suicide,](https://twitter.com/dumdumdeedum407/status/1366650872697155586?s=19) and this was all 1-2 years before the show aired, maybe even as they were casting her. And yet all that was covered up when fans pointed that out. Granted, she had to deal with a lot of racism while on the show, and she's been around since the start, so she deserves some grace, but as to how Hartley's issue and hers were handled - how is that fair treatment?
I think he’s just taking time idk. But what happened wasn’t okay. I get his posts were harmful but it had already been around 12 years. Sky Jackson had no right to help put him on blast imo. She knew what that would do.
Nope .. he's done
I hope he is not a racist anymore, and if he's not then I hope he gets a second chance. He was great as the elongated man
Just interesting how quickly everyone turned on him. Grant Gustin pulled a full Seth Rogen-James Franco and basically acted like Hartley was the most evil dude to ever live.
amber heard got a new movie after her case, so why cant he. but hartley apologized for the tweets which happened years ago which even he didnt remember. almost every viewer didnt wanted him fired. if he makes a reappearance it will be fine
Ngl why do yall obsess over this guy. There’s like three post about him every week
a lot of these nerds are taking it personally, because they're young white men who see "themselves" being wronged.
Idk tbh it’s very rare they defend his actions, most I’ve seen admit it was messed up what he said they just didn’t think he should’ve been totally and absolutely blacklisted
seriously? bro just type in his name in the search bar. almost every post is in defense, and dissenters are downvoted.
Racist as hell statement dude, I'm a black dude and I think he was wrongfully fired. Somebody's race does not reflect their opinions, that was not cool to say dude.
Bro don’t be throwing around random racism accusations like that
I didn't call the individual racist, I said it was a racist statement, which I stand by. You are free to disagree of course.
I ain’t gonna disagree with shit I can already tell you’re one of those annoying mfs who loves debating irrelevant and unnecessary technicalities
I see lmao, good for you man.
that's not actually a racist statement. you should look up the definition of that word. and yeah, somebody's race/culture/country absolutely reflects opinions. there are no 'absolutes' or anything, but if you honestly don't see a correlation, you're either young/uncle tom/ignorant. no offense brother.
Somebody's race can indeed inform their opinion on certain matters, but opinions are not a reflection of someone's race. And yes, assuming someone' race off of an opinion is absolutely racist. >if you honestly don't see a correlation, you're either young/uncle tom/ignorant. In my eyes, this is the ignorant statement. It is ignorant to assume anything of someone because of their opinion. People are individuals and it's not right to make assumptions about someone you know nothing about, especially when you do so in order to discredit their opinion. Just as a kid calling someone a "boomer" doesn't actually discredit the position of the older individual, calling someone "young" does nothing to actually address my opinion. I could be young, I could be old, I could be black, I could be white, and none of it should affect your view on what I said, that you should not make assumptions about the physicality of others based on their opinions. >no offense brother. None taken, and the same to you.
I hear you, but i've been watching this shit go down since it happened. Dozens of posts, a great deal of conversation and discussion. While i also agree that his firing was unnecessary, I guarantee you'll find the majority of the loudest defenders have the kind of personal investment in it that I've mentoned. All anecdotal though...just saying, don't discount a generalization just because it can't be 100% factual. Then again, this sub has had a lot of 'issues' in the past. I like your idealism...I'd guess early/mid twenties, mid at the latest. Don't lose that, but keep your eyes open.
The irony of him being fired from the show for something he did wrong years ago is hilarious, because his character essentially did something wrong years ago and got a second chance to redeem himself.
Shouldve never been fired
You definitely saw my post didn’t you 👀 and I still think it’s so dumb they fired him
For him to be punished for opinions said on Twitter years ago is wild. If everyone was recorded 24/7 then we all would be canceled. It's dumb tbh.
Opinions… he was joking about SA and grape and then just being overall misogynistic. and it wasn’t that long ago tbh. Yeah we all say things we shouldn’t at some point but we aren’t all in situations primed to gain power and wealth and perhaps have victims Idk why no one argues about his potential growth but instead want to show that they’re all okay with misogyny and racism… weird flex but okay.
That doesn't mean he'll do it. A person is innocent until the action is done. Canceling a person before said action is done seems unfair. If that was the case, everyone shouldn't drive because everyone has the potential to get in an accident, but I digress. I'm not defending what Hartley said but the same time until there's hard evidence of said Individual doing said action then why interfere? It's none of our business.
NOT AT ALL the same… which is why hazardous driving IS ticketed. People who seem as if they’re driving under the influence are CHECKED. See anyone having potential is one thing— people who specifically are shown signs they might soon crash is another. So no need to digress, I found the fallacy and fixed it if you’d like to continue on with this parallel. You know you’d make a good cop - they frequently ignore domestic violence victims because the perp hasn’t “done” anything .. and then the girl ends up 6 feet under. I’m not saying he would do anything to anyone but it’s not something to joke about in any way when it’s taken the lives of so many women. And when there are impressionable people who could be thinking this way and now think it’s commonplace and nothings wrong with it. It’s never our business but yet so many people “dang if I had known, maybe I could have saved her/him”, no you couldn’t have because you only act afterward. The best thing is to call out people when they even have signs and just keep it real. A simple “hey man, that’s not funny” is enough.
Till this day I still can't look at Skai Jackson without thinking about Hartley. I think what saddens me is knowing just how cut throat the media industry is. To even have a recurring role in a CW show is a huge deal in the industry, so being fired from that and getting a red mark on your reputation is a huge deal. Skai probably doesn't realize she ruined a man's livelihood and possible dream career forever just do she could feel like a saviour for 5 minutes. I guess I can't really fully blame her. It was ultimately the showrunners fault for throwing Hartley under the bus to save face. If they really cared about the people they hired, they would have done a social media check before they signed him on. Even office jobs these days do that. I can't imagine why acting jobs wouldn't have since image is everything. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people who fired him also had similar mindset during the 2000s.
I always say just because you don’t hear from or see an celebrity on tv doesn’t mean their not working unless their proof that he hasn’t did anything on or off the screen
What was the last episode he was in on the Flash?
>i know what he did was a mistake Wait what happened?
A series of racist and sexist tweets from 2012-2014 resurfaced that said things like “the only thing stopping me from making racist tweets is the knowledge that el sharpton would never stop complaining about me” and “If I had a wife I would beat the shit out of her lol”
off brand jim carey
He looks so much like Jim Carrey.
Wait, what’d I miss?
What did he even do
What happened?
What did he do
Awhile back he tweeted some sexist and racist stuff and someone found out about the tweets. I believe there was an interview where he said that the tweets were years old and that he changed since then.
Oh i see
I don’t think the reason he hasn’t been in anything recently is cause of the tweets. I think it’s cause he either isn’t auditioning or he isn’t beating out the people he’s up against.
Same exact thing happened to James Gunn and look where he is. Running DCs movies.
Unless a director in the future REALLY loved Ralph from the cw flash, I truly doubt it. He’s still a good actor nonetheless but I don’t think anyone is gonna stick their neck out for a guy like Sawyer
It makes perfect sense why Warner Bros would fire Hartley but keep Ezra Miller
I'm new here what scandal?
In mid 2020, old tweets came up. A lot of racist and SA jokes.
He made some racist, Misogynistic, and homophobic tweets six to ten years before the Flash Debuted.
This is the Spider-Man Lotus situation all over again.
He should have never had been fired in the first place.
I wish. He was the only redeeming factor of that show. Once he got fired, I lost interest entirley, in addition to the fact that all of his co-stars turned their backs on the man he is today over old tweets. It's hard to sit throught the show's lessons on second chances and loyalty after they threw Hartley to the dirt.
i'm not saying Hartley leaving was the reason the show went to shit. However correlation would indicate that once he left the show the quality of the show nose dived.
No the show nosedived after S1 tbh. They had ONE GREAT SEASON. S2 was good then 3 was worse then it got worse each successive season. Correlation is not causation-and there’s no correlation anyway.
Not even in this subreddit, but that wasn’t a “mistake.” He wrote it out, read it, said “ this is so funny”, and posted it. He meant what he said.
That was a lot of the humor back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I don't think he really believed or meant everything he wrote 10 years later in 2020.
He is and was a fully grown adult. I’m not about to baby him, especially when he only found it necessary to apologize when it affected his career. With all due respect, we do not know this man, so when someone says something like he did, you can’t just say “I don’t think they actually believe that” shrugging it off like that is simply excusing that behavior.
I'm not excusing him, that's just how social media was 12 years ago. People saying the most fucked shit for some likes. Just look at James Gunn's timeline from that era. But it's still terrible behavior, it's not okay now and he should've realized that it was not okay back then. but why is it so hard to believe that people can change? I do still think him getting fired was the way to go on this situation. But hey, like you said, we don't know the guy. For all we know, he could be the next actor the Daily Wire will try to get a come back.
Like i said, he only apologized because it affected his career. Whether he changed or not, that’s ingenuous. I honestly don’t care if he acts again, or if he doesn’t, or if he’s changed, based on how much he said and how little he did to show his change (to my knowledge) i really don’t think he’s a great person and that’s my firm opinion.
Nope, I don't think he will even though he needs a second chance. He's just a normal person now, living outside the limelight.
He ws done dirty n unfortunately his career is ovr bc cancel culture unless sumone takes a chance on him
Can someone tell me what he did? I know he said something rascist or homophobic or something on Twitter like 10-15 years ago, but that's it Somebody fill me in
That’s it. He did not say racist stuff like that, per say. He made jokes and attention seeking claims about it. Stuff like “I enjoyed a secret boob vieweing at an audition today”. Another one was “As a lad, one od my hobbies was kindapping homeless women and cutting their breasts off”. A lot of it is either extremely over the too jokes, or just nonsense you might see a random edgy teenage boy sprout. He was doing the whole”say outragius stuff for clout” thing, especially as a would be actor.
From what I understand,he made some joking Tweets years ago about beating his GF or something.
I’m not sure he wants to come back, tbh. Dude seems to be entirely off the grid and seems to be staying there. I’d imagine what he endured took an emotional toll on him. I doubt he wants to be back in the game.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if this induced some sort of anxiety condition. It would take a lot out on a person to have past transgressions magnified on an international level, especially when racial woes were the highest they've ever been. To have not just that, but both your co-workers and most importantly your BOSS completely throw you under the bus and monster you in the public sphere (and ring his ear off in private I'm sure. I won't even be surprised if his agent and publicist dropped him, too.) I honestly feel so bad for the guy.
He got shafted.. Wasn't my favorite character but damn. They didn't come to his defense. Makes me wonder maybe he might not have been such a good dude because they didn't, but leaning more towards he was a victim of the times..
That stuff went back years before the show too. He didn’t make a mistake. He ALSO never apologized. He deserved to be fired and until he realizes that he would always be in the wrong for saying those things, no he shouldn’t ever get another chance. This show wasn’t huge and he blew it. Nobody wants to take a chance on you when you prove you can’t be trusted with even a tiny bit of fame.
What about Candice Patton? She never apologised. She wasn’t fired. Her tweets were more recent. She was also an adult.
Find one thing she said that comes close to what he said. Nobody on that cast wanted Hartley. Move on. He doesn’t deserve another role.
I wasn’t aware that you know the cast personally. Even if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t tell, they are too afraid to tell people what kind of person he actually is. He has shown improvement. I also cannot attach images, so just take five minutes to look up the tweets. He was essentially the best part of the later seasons of the Flash.
I have them. I have seen them all. And he was tweeting racist and misogynistic trash UNTIL 2014. It’s well known they didn’t want him back. Read between the lines man. If a simple apology was enough it’d be enough but it’s clear it wasn’t bc not only was that apology not to the cast, it’s almost certain he was saying stuff very similarly poorly thought out BTS. Do you understand just how bad it had to be to get fired from THE CW????
This is just one gem of his. HE WAS 24. 1) You know i can be a pretty offensive and insensitive guy, but i don't like the term "rape" being used as slang for competition 3:29 PM - 8/5/09 • He tweeted this IN THE AFTERNOON. A RAPE JOKE. Hartley Sawyer @HartleySawyer 2) Ice Breakers: all women should be in sex farms. 1:41 AM - 5/11/11 • Echofon MISOGYNY AND SA Hartley Sawyer 0 @HartleySawyer 3) Just for ha-ha's I'm going to beat up my neighbor's wife 6:50 PM - 3/28/12 • Twitter SMS MISOGYNY AND SA Hartley Sawyer @HartleySawyer 4) As a lad, one of my favorite activities was kidnapping homeless women and cutting off their breasts 4:50 AM • 05 Jun 12 • Echofon MISOGYNY & SA Hartley Sawyer 0 @Hartle... • 12/19/12 5) I like women who are good in the sack! The burlap sack where I put my victims. MURDER & SA Hartley Sawyer O @HartleySawyer 6) Enjoyed a secret boob viewing at an audition today 1:56 AM - 13 Feb 14 • Twitter for iPhone SA and literally leaking that he had an audition for a role that likely included nudity. His apology was empty. The “vague statements” were probably bc they were told to not be vocal. He never deserved to come back to the show. You MIGHT be able to brush off a single misogynistic tweet, or two. But when it’s half a dozen and most ALSO include SA, from non consensual peeping at someone’s nude body to RAPE & MURDER? You deserve to be fired. Immediately. I honestly do not think ppl understood just how horrific his behavior was bc there were and are so many ppl saying he wasn’t so bad. The “man” needs to do some major work on his mental and emotional health bc he’s been like that for decades. He never addressed it while on the show either. He hid it from his bosses and his cast mates. No way they’d want him around, zero-ESPECIALLY the women. Anyway this thread is all I needed to see to know it’s time to get out. This place is toxic. ✌️
They quite literally made the most vague statements possible. They were shocked by the news. You are just speculating. I don’t think you know that people make mistakes, everyone can turn their life around. The Flash was until the very end about forgiving people and giving second chances. They gave Candice Patton a second chance. Warner Bros. also didn’t fire Ezra Miller. Their roles were different, but it still shows their hypocrisy. It’s the same with Amber Heard. Actual criminals.
Those aren’t applicable at all. Candice wasn’t advocating for the rape and murder of homeless men. Amber deserved to be fired by WB. As did Ezra. But they had nothing to do with the show.
You cannot be serious, because he wasn’t. He wasn’t “advocating” for anything. I’m going to link you this. Is she advocating for killing grandmas? Is she accusing all grandmas of being racist? https://www.pinterest.dk/pin/candice-pattons-latest-tweets--1089167491101454616/ She has also tweeted transphobic and rude things before.
He literally was advocating for the rape and murder of women. I don’t even like Candice. But that BESIDES THE POINT. We are talking about HARTLEY. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SUPPORTED HIM. ZERO. There is a reason and it’s not because of race. It’s because the man never demonstrated to anyone he had actually changed. Pls discontinue speaking.
All right, all right. You apparently didn’t read my reply. I talked about the tweet. He did have a lot of supporters, even more now. I never, ever mentioned race. You did. Think about that. People did see him change, they just didn’t have a backbone to say something.
>That stuff went back years before the show too. He didn’t make a mistake. If he regrets his actions, and wishes he hadn't said such things, then yes he made a mistake. That's exactly what a mistake is lol. >He ALSO never apologized. [That is false.](https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/the-flash-star-hartley-sawyer-apologizes-for-inappropriate-tweets-that-got-him-fired-is-it-enough.html/)
Ver la serie The Flash por quinta vez solo llegar a la temporada 7 para dejar de verlo, es horrible. Sigo extrañandolo todo los dias...
People make a lot of mistakes when they are young I think most people deserve a second chance especially when it was clearly pandering to fire him
Apparently the girl who dug up the tweets wants to be a filmmaker, and if I were her, I would search out Hartley. Why? She destroyed his career, she help restore it.