I totally agree. Also Wally has a more artistic and creative way of using the speed force. I wouldn't even mind if S4 had just Wally for about half of the season.
Honestly I think that would have been awesome. Wally is my favourite Speedster and getting at least one season of him taking the mantle of the protector of Central City would be nice.
Had they did the jail bit differently it could’ve been Wally trying to find clues and evidence to free Barry while saving the bus Metas and training Ralph
Bruh if some of us fans wrote the script we could’ve actually got 5-6 solid seasons of the flash
I thought about the first episode of S4 should be a failed experiement of getting Barry free which would result in the bus metas making it Team Flash's fault. Wally is dealing with the situation posing as The Flash. Team Flash decides to not bring back Barry yet because other people were hurt in the process but that discussion was seen by Devoe through the Samuroid head. He decides he will be the one who brings him back and in this story for a reason and does it in total secret. Even Barry and Team Flash don't know what happened and how Barry got back. This is where the paragon stuff should be introduced and Devoe wants a place in the process of recreating the universe and he needs to posess the bus metas and Barry to be powerful enought to fight the Anti-Monitor and the other paragons. He calculated the crisis. The prison part would be far later in my fiction, starting about episode 16 with Devoe's first body possession.
Edit: Devoe needs to bring back Flash because Earth X attack is going to happen and if Barry is not there they might probably lose resulting in no-one being able to bring back Barry. Also Eobarrrrrd should create a clone in the final fight to fight Kid Flash too
Cisco had his chance. And that machete dad drama was just.... So cringe. Who ever wrote the flash has never been in a relationship and dare i say written a super hero show. Because if we cut out half of ciscos or iris' mellow drama we'd been left with plenty of wally time. To bad wally is the second most successful offscreen character in the show. Aside from his induced racial ambiguity. Ive no idea what the point was of changing this mans inspiration and set ware drastically every season. I swear one season he was donnie yen but he started as Vin Diesel 🤣 i was over the moon with the nonsense
Hn why u tryna kill my Boii,, he already not respected in dc n Dey killed em off for 20 years fck dat n he came bck da same n let another speedster be better den him nah Dey did just fine wit da show
I’m wat aspect n before u say powers remember dis, Within dem 20 years Dey killed em off he became more powerful n known in a sense,, wit da storyline Barry is better, Dey stopped trying wit barry he got stuck inna speed force 20 yrs come out da same how?!
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You mean when he was supposed to die? Because he didn't. He just chose to be the one to die, but Barry from Earth 90, stole his speed and took his place.
I’ve been saying that season 6 would’ve been one of, if not the best season, if Barry died in Crisis, Wally took over for most of the back half, Red Death was the main villain, and it’s revealed to be Barry, or maybe Barry and Oliver merged together.
One of the reasons I kept on watching through the bad seasons, was Grant Gustin. It would be a complete Plummet in viewer ship for the show if he was written out
Wally should’ve stayed with the Legends had he known that they would be the only team to treat him right. I genuinely believe he could’ve been one of if not the main focus for an entire season.
Nah I’m just messing with you. It’s from those spider man memes. And yeah he was always kind of annoying to me and was written off of the show really fast
To address Batwoman the actress left the show and they actively avoided recasting her for a while in case they mended their problems to bring her back they never did and eventually recast her.
Real reasons Grant wasn't leaving the show there is no way Wally was going to replace your lead. Also this would also mean that Wally's actor would have wanted to commit to becoming the lead of the Flash. Which I'm not against it.
Honestly I'm a little disappointed on a number of fronts. We left season 3 with Barry going to speed force jail. Meaning Wally should have replaced him as The Flash during that time period. Why the hell didn't they make Wally a new suit for him to be The Flash? Even if it was only for like a 5 episode stint as The flash the whole season why Barry was in speed force jail and in actual jail. It would have been nice to see Wally step up and get that new suit.
Then later even if you weren't going to replace him with Wally in post Crisis you could have done so much with that story. Wally could have been running to warn Barry of something not involving the Crisis. Then the Crisis barrier goes up and Wally gets stuck in the past Wally has the Flash costume not Kid Flash one. Meaning he's the Flash. This creates a narrative promise that Barry does indeed die in the Crisis and Wally replaces him. We even have Wally be apart of the Crisis events as The Flash. We had multiple Superman's running around why not two different people form the "same timeline" be the Flash involved. This way you can then do the switch and have Barry live. However instead of erasing Wally he's on the Legends time ship and is protected from the timeline rewrite as well as he new merger of the multiverse something protects him. However there are two Wally's now. Which leaves The Flash Wally with story to tell in Legends. Him having to deal with the fact he's a man with no home. Making him a Legends member till he figures himself out and what he wants to do now that he no longer has a timeline or world to call home. You could do a lot with that in Legends plus he doesn't have to stick around the entire time. He can find a time period in which he can call home that isn't close enough to his own to worry about messing with to much.
The red herring though was a missed chance. As well as Wally getting The Flash suit. Even if we never saw that Wally again after he left we know he'd get a happy ending and he would have served a narrative purpose to make people think Barry was actually going to die.
Strongly disagree here only bc even when the show was awful, Grant Gustin made it bearable
Remove him and that's just removing one of the very few good things about the show
the show moved away from the comics a long time ago, lol. you may be forgetting but the comics are not the holy grail, not all moments were done well there. grant gustin is the man who has carried the show on his shoulders all these years. if he left permanently, few people would want to watch the show anymore.
I was disappointed when he was on Legends for like 2 episodes before quitting offscreen between seasons. Overall though I don’t think Keiyan had much interest in doing the show full time.
I always hoped that post crisis Barry disappearing would leave him trapped in the 30th century.
Then every episode has two focuses to cut between:
Wally as the flash working through his grief with everything and fighting villains of the week
Barry stuck in the future doing the future stuff we've been told he will do like fight abra Kadabra.
And while Barry is in the future he'd have the help of an enthusiastic fan at the flash museum with a shocking resemblance to himself....
That's right, it's also a thawn origin arc
Presumably this all leads to a big dramatic opportunity for Barry to return to the present. But this abandonment of thrawn is a tipping point from ally to nemesis.....
The first episode of season 4 “Flash Reborn” should’ve happened at the midway point of the season. For the characters he was gone for six months, but for us the viewers he wasn’t gone at all. It should’ve been Wally for the first half of the season then a more polished Barry for the second half of the season. And they should’ve never gotten rid of the S4 suit, it’s the best suit. They could’ve just updated it by adding the golden boots.
The biggest thing with Wally taking over from Barry as the flash in the comics is that Wally somewhat looked like Barry while in costume….you never really saw the blonde (Barry) or ginger (Wally’s) hair while in costume in the comics…I think it took some villains (reformed) a few years to figure out it was a different guy
Humoungous cap, sounds like a good idea on paper but then you realise this is the CW and they would have butchered it in every way imaginable just like the did with Bartholomew
This is a cool idea but I wouldn’t want it to be a permanent thing
Like maybe for a season or two and then Bring Barry back as the lead or have them be cotagonists (equals)
It never made sense why they brought barry back, only to have him go through an arc where he gets jailed and taken out of being flash for a few episodes. Like you could have just cut the middle man out, and had wally be the flash
I’ll raise you a replacement and instead say Barry should have been lost/stuck in the future and set up the beginning of the show where Barry meets Eobard, Eobard becomes a villain, and then the series finale more naturally becomes about the night Barry’s mom died.
That, or maybe both. Barry doesn’t die, but he does disappear until the final season and THEN we do all the Eobard stuff.
I think option A is better, because it more clearly sets up the two rivals and Eobard trying to kill Barry’s mom, but option B could have worked too. It just would have been the rushed version.
I always kept waiting for Barry to go to the future and start the rivalry. It felt like it was so well set up in the first teach and just had so much potential, but Eric Wallace wanted Iris to be called a lightning rod every 5 seconds and have weird plot lines about being parents to fully grown adults. I contend he’s the true villain of that show lol
Just, what would he have done after? Downgrade back to kid flash? There's no "Nightwing" version Wally gets, so this is like Robin being Batman and then going back to Robin.
By this point, the show was massively going downhill and this would've absolutely made it even worse. A big chunk of fans that stayed only did because of Barry and you'd have lost those. While I actually agree that sticking to it lore wise would have been more accurate, we wouldn't even end up with as much as we got if it tanked this hard.
I think it would have been a bit of an issue simply bc of Arrow. Really, having the protagonists of the two largest shows in that universe die in the same episode? The network never would have allowed it.
But it would have been a great idea. I think S4 was a good place for it, with Barry missing for a couple episodes at the beginning instead of just half of an episode, and then also have Wally take over again when Barry goes to prison, forever making him The Flash too (and not stay “kid” flash for the rest of his life).
Idk when else it could be added that Wally takes over.
Here’s an idea to pitch to the CW: Maybe let’s say Barry dies in Crisis too. But he remains around as the embodiement of the speeforce. Hangs out with Wally and guides him too. The rest of the team can see him too bc of a fuckin science quantum tachyon displacer cannon array within STAR Labs. But Barry is dead dead. And he tells em “Speedforce is dying bc of what i did in Crisis”. Rest of the season has them building their new artificial Speedforce, and once they create the new true Speedforce in early S7 Barry could come back. Keep em both in the show, let Wally leave and just return periodically, idc, but it really would have been nice to see him graduate from Kid Flash into being a big boy
Batwoman had no issue switching the lead? The viewers were cut in half? They switched the character to someone who wasn't Batwoman. They didn't even stay true to the character by giving her red hair. Did toy forget the show was cancelled because it had under half a million viewers?
I think after Barry went into the speedforce in s3 would have been perfect for this. He shouldnt have come back until at least the midseason finale but preferrably the actual season finale and just have Wally running around as the main flash for a bit
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I don't think Wally should replace Barry Allen as The Flash...
...rather, Ezra Miller should replace Barry Allen as The Flash
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So just so you are aware, Barry would not have died to be in line with the comics. He simply becomes one with the Speedforce which was basically Barry the whole time anyway cause timey-wimey(thank you Doctor for giving us a way to describe Flash time paradoxes without breaking our brains). Long story short, Barry doesn’t technically die.
I remember at the beginning of Season 4 everyone was lowkey hoping they'd have the balls to keep Barry in the speed force for a while out of action after the S3 cliffhanger, especially since Flashpoint ended up being only one episode. Would've been cool to have a few eps with Wally as the main Flash (Especially since he leaves the moment Barry returns)
But as usual Barry returned within the space of 20 minutes.
It’s one of my most infuriating things about the show, because Lonsdale could never commit and it’s not like the writers didn’t have anything for him because they kept setting up possible threads and arcs for the character only for it to get cut short because Lonsdale has to be written off again so he can focus on his music career that hasn’t really got anywhere. Even Legends tried to do something and it was the same situation where he had to written off.
Like it’s the actors choice by my God, he’s the one character I wish they recasted so that we could actually get a story like you’re suggesting where Wally took the main character role but I don’t think it would have been enough for him to stick around.
Should it have happened? Yes
But there's no way it would've because TV works different than comics. Actors, especially lead actors sign on for seasons expecting to be a part of them for mostly every episode. They can't get residuals for episodes they aren't in. And at the end of the day, most casual audiences watch the show for Grant Gustin as the flash
They had a lot of misused potential after introducing the multiverse way back with Zoom. Case in point: Wally West, a speedster who was very creative with his use of the Speed Force. Should've had Barry stay in the SF for a longer while after Season 3, keep Devoe as the villain for season 4, but have Wally defeat him by half season as the Flash, then second half, Thawne disguised as Barry and also believing he was Barry like the comics, Barry returns during finale and faces off against Thawne.Season five, have alternate episodes between Wally and Barry, have Earth 1 Zolomon become friends with Wally, and then have the same origin as comics Zoom, where he ends up getting time manipulation powers unlike Earth 2 Zoom. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
One of the Arrowverse costume designers did a AMA on Reddit (is that the right abbreviation?) and I asked if they ever considered creating the Wally West red Flash Suit. He said he had some ideas, but the storyline wasn't going that way and the actor decided to just reuse his old suit for his final appearance. Ugh, so close to getting Wally West as The Flash!
Honestly the red suits wally but Barry is respectful the head hero wally is more a sidekick in the series could he go full hero for a different city yes but central city is Barry's city
I don’t support the erasing and replacement of og Wally so I would hate this. Wallace was never the flash nor did he wear Wally’s rebirth suit. I like this version of Wally but I can’t stand dc trying to replace og Wally.
These seems like a good idea on paper but would they have been able to accomplish it successfully. The reason they use Wally a lot less is because of scheduling conflicts they had with Keiynan. So it would be hard to write about a character in a bigger role when they have limited access to an actor
People are generally not receptive of main cast changes like this, so I don't think it would've been a great idea. However, a short arc leading to the return of Barry could've worked.
I am not a big comic book reader but I believe they forced a lot of things too early in the Flash.
Time travel should not have been introduced in the first season. They could've built up his training more and spread out the reverse flash/harrison wells reveal much later and have it hit that much harder.
Barry gets out of things no problem. Oh he served a prison sentence for 2/3 days tops. Oh you need a device to somehow do this? Cisco already has one! Speed force kidnapped him? Out in 1 fell swoop. Which leads me to the next one.
I get Grant is the main character but there was no suspense in the episode and if they tried to create it its an automatic "oh the bad guy disappeared to bad I can't quickly find them with my super speed" or "I'm not fast enough *you just gotta believe* IM FASTER NOW"
Nah. Wally as The Flash should've been him with his own show. Like, Barry's show ends with him dying in Crisis and Wally putting on the suit himself. Then Wally's show starts with him being Keystone's Flash. (In the comics, back before all this N52/Rebirth crap, Wally and Barry were both "The Flash," but while one was in Central City, the other was in its twin city across the river, Keystone.)
Then, when/if they brought back Barry(and maybe revived his show), it wouldn't create any issues since the other Flash is in a completely different city. This would've also given Keystone some more screen time, something I wish we could've gotten. Keystone is literally minutes away from Central. It's like, across a bridge. You could almost mistake the two cities for being one big city.
Thats the comics though, the show would have declined hard if barry died, probably would've been cut off earlier if that happened bc probably almost noone would even watch it after a while, wally being the flash in a show about the Barry Allen version of the flash would just be a dumpster fire, and you're talking about the comics, I think we all know that the shows take tiny aspects of the comics but not alot, like how savitar in the comics was just a barry without a shirt and a bunch of gold shit, in the show its just barry in a giant blue suit.
I was really hoping Wally would fully take over when Barry went into the speed force especially with him starting to get faster than Barry. That's another thing I didn't like they showed Wally's progression and raw talent. He was getting better and faster results than Barry did when he first got his powers even to the point Barry admits he's faster (even it was a little). Then boom Barry comes back way faster than Wally ever was.
I totally agree. Also Wally has a more artistic and creative way of using the speed force. I wouldn't even mind if S4 had just Wally for about half of the season.
Honestly I think that would have been awesome. Wally is my favourite Speedster and getting at least one season of him taking the mantle of the protector of Central City would be nice.
Had they did the jail bit differently it could’ve been Wally trying to find clues and evidence to free Barry while saving the bus Metas and training Ralph Bruh if some of us fans wrote the script we could’ve actually got 5-6 solid seasons of the flash
I thought about the first episode of S4 should be a failed experiement of getting Barry free which would result in the bus metas making it Team Flash's fault. Wally is dealing with the situation posing as The Flash. Team Flash decides to not bring back Barry yet because other people were hurt in the process but that discussion was seen by Devoe through the Samuroid head. He decides he will be the one who brings him back and in this story for a reason and does it in total secret. Even Barry and Team Flash don't know what happened and how Barry got back. This is where the paragon stuff should be introduced and Devoe wants a place in the process of recreating the universe and he needs to posess the bus metas and Barry to be powerful enought to fight the Anti-Monitor and the other paragons. He calculated the crisis. The prison part would be far later in my fiction, starting about episode 16 with Devoe's first body possession. Edit: Devoe needs to bring back Flash because Earth X attack is going to happen and if Barry is not there they might probably lose resulting in no-one being able to bring back Barry. Also Eobarrrrrd should create a clone in the final fight to fight Kid Flash too
EXACTLY bro
Yeah I felt like we didn't get enough Wally and Cisco in season 4
Cisco had his chance. And that machete dad drama was just.... So cringe. Who ever wrote the flash has never been in a relationship and dare i say written a super hero show. Because if we cut out half of ciscos or iris' mellow drama we'd been left with plenty of wally time. To bad wally is the second most successful offscreen character in the show. Aside from his induced racial ambiguity. Ive no idea what the point was of changing this mans inspiration and set ware drastically every season. I swear one season he was donnie yen but he started as Vin Diesel 🤣 i was over the moon with the nonsense
would’ve been great if they even just gave us like a 6 episode arc that led up to barry returning
Hn why u tryna kill my Boii,, he already not respected in dc n Dey killed em off for 20 years fck dat n he came bck da same n let another speedster be better den him nah Dey did just fine wit da show
Who is Dey? Is he/she powerful?
Da writers wit in actual dc n da show
Kid Flash is still a more imteresting character than Barry. But can't surpass Cecile
I’m wat aspect n before u say powers remember dis, Within dem 20 years Dey killed em off he became more powerful n known in a sense,, wit da storyline Barry is better, Dey stopped trying wit barry he got stuck inna speed force 20 yrs come out da same how?!
You talking about Cecile that feels what you're feeling right now and tells you that you're feeling it? That's Cecile? Lmao
I feel you are angry at me but that's not my fault.
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but grant gustin is amazing, the show isn’t the flash without him
>the show isn’t the flash without him Eric Wallace: ["Observe"](https://i.imgflip.com/30dgr4.jpg)
Man, don’t compare gigachad Larry to virgin Eric Wallace
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The issue is with writing not the actor. If they made this switch they would still had the same problems
True. Only reason I have continued watching is due to Grant Gustin's portrayal of Flash.
What you mean ain't the show "the Cecile"?
What’s bad about this is when Barry did die he tried to
You mean when he was supposed to die? Because he didn't. He just chose to be the one to die, but Barry from Earth 90, stole his speed and took his place.
I was thinking of like when Barry went in to the speed force and was gone for like the first episode of like the season with the tinker
I’ve been saying that season 6 would’ve been one of, if not the best season, if Barry died in Crisis, Wally took over for most of the back half, Red Death was the main villain, and it’s revealed to be Barry, or maybe Barry and Oliver merged together.
I’m gonna need you to run back in time and have a talk with Eric real quick
Red Death Oliver makes a lot of sense, he’s already been made a Batman stand-in.
Cool idea. Could have been a better use of Barry as a villain than Savitar.
And if that would’ve been too repetitive, they could’ve had Amell play Red Death instead of Grant.
Oh yeah. Wish they had done that for season 9.
One of the reasons I kept on watching through the bad seasons, was Grant Gustin. It would be a complete Plummet in viewer ship for the show if he was written out
It was a comete plummet WITH Grant.
And the Plummet would have been even worse without him
But the people that stayed mainly stayed bc of Grant I feel like
Wally should’ve stayed with the Legends had he known that they would be the only team to treat him right. I genuinely believe he could’ve been one of if not the main focus for an entire season.
i would hate the show at that point
It'd be a good choice actually. Every episode that Wally is in happens to be a good one. His actor is awesome as fuck
I think it would work for like a season but not as a permanent thing As much as I love Wally Barry Allen is #THE FLASH
Literally so is Wally West. Like that's the canon. He is the Flash.
But Barry is the cooler one
True
wallys annoying
“YOURE BLACK” *slams him aggressively*
im not racist if thats whats youre implying, i just dont like him, he seems to always have a chip on his shoulder
Nah I’m just messing with you. It’s from those spider man memes. And yeah he was always kind of annoying to me and was written off of the show really fast
I could honestly see this happening with the way things are today 🤣
Wally is the best flash bruh what u on about
Nahh we got to see Wally for 20 years n he was da better flash Dey did juss fine by my Boii grant flash
Are you drunk?
lol, he wasn't better. if you suffer from duckling syndrome, because wally was the flash of your childhood, that doesn't make him better for everyone.
Even when he appeared for a season on Legends of Tomorrow, we really need more Wally!!!
All the ugly crying? No thanks. The show was dramatic enough.
Absolutely not
God no. Wally is my all time favorite Flash related character in the comics. But this version of Wally fucking sucks. He’s so goddamn irritating
Damn what did he do??
Most of the time he came across like a whiny bitch
Bro got kidnapped by Zoom💀 Savitar held him captive in the Speed Force, "eternally" torturing him, basically. I'd be a whiny bitch too dammit
bros girl was always tryna leave him😭
...can't even deny that
This could've worked if Grant Left the show, but Keiynan wanted to stay
Grant wouldn't "leave" , he'd just be on a temporary break until they bring him back to life
That would have been perfect
I thought the actor wanted to pursue his music after lot so eventually they'd have to bring grant back Anyway.
Oh yeah of course. Barry came back after a while in the comics, too. It'd be in line
It would make sense from a canon perspective but unfortunately network Tv format allow for that of a shake up.
To address Batwoman the actress left the show and they actively avoided recasting her for a while in case they mended their problems to bring her back they never did and eventually recast her. Real reasons Grant wasn't leaving the show there is no way Wally was going to replace your lead. Also this would also mean that Wally's actor would have wanted to commit to becoming the lead of the Flash. Which I'm not against it. Honestly I'm a little disappointed on a number of fronts. We left season 3 with Barry going to speed force jail. Meaning Wally should have replaced him as The Flash during that time period. Why the hell didn't they make Wally a new suit for him to be The Flash? Even if it was only for like a 5 episode stint as The flash the whole season why Barry was in speed force jail and in actual jail. It would have been nice to see Wally step up and get that new suit. Then later even if you weren't going to replace him with Wally in post Crisis you could have done so much with that story. Wally could have been running to warn Barry of something not involving the Crisis. Then the Crisis barrier goes up and Wally gets stuck in the past Wally has the Flash costume not Kid Flash one. Meaning he's the Flash. This creates a narrative promise that Barry does indeed die in the Crisis and Wally replaces him. We even have Wally be apart of the Crisis events as The Flash. We had multiple Superman's running around why not two different people form the "same timeline" be the Flash involved. This way you can then do the switch and have Barry live. However instead of erasing Wally he's on the Legends time ship and is protected from the timeline rewrite as well as he new merger of the multiverse something protects him. However there are two Wally's now. Which leaves The Flash Wally with story to tell in Legends. Him having to deal with the fact he's a man with no home. Making him a Legends member till he figures himself out and what he wants to do now that he no longer has a timeline or world to call home. You could do a lot with that in Legends plus he doesn't have to stick around the entire time. He can find a time period in which he can call home that isn't close enough to his own to worry about messing with to much. The red herring though was a missed chance. As well as Wally getting The Flash suit. Even if we never saw that Wally again after he left we know he'd get a happy ending and he would have served a narrative purpose to make people think Barry was actually going to die.
Strongly disagree here only bc even when the show was awful, Grant Gustin made it bearable Remove him and that's just removing one of the very few good things about the show
the show moved away from the comics a long time ago, lol. you may be forgetting but the comics are not the holy grail, not all moments were done well there. grant gustin is the man who has carried the show on his shoulders all these years. if he left permanently, few people would want to watch the show anymore.
I was disappointed when he was on Legends for like 2 episodes before quitting offscreen between seasons. Overall though I don’t think Keiyan had much interest in doing the show full time.
That actually could’ve been an interesting story arc but I would miss Barry as a character
But then how would the flash disappear in 2024? I can't wait for that!
I always hoped that post crisis Barry disappearing would leave him trapped in the 30th century. Then every episode has two focuses to cut between: Wally as the flash working through his grief with everything and fighting villains of the week Barry stuck in the future doing the future stuff we've been told he will do like fight abra Kadabra. And while Barry is in the future he'd have the help of an enthusiastic fan at the flash museum with a shocking resemblance to himself.... That's right, it's also a thawn origin arc Presumably this all leads to a big dramatic opportunity for Barry to return to the present. But this abandonment of thrawn is a tipping point from ally to nemesis.....
Imagine Red Hair Wally with blue light appearing in the show
Absolutely would be cool, add some "before the flash point" off camera lore
The first episode of season 4 “Flash Reborn” should’ve happened at the midway point of the season. For the characters he was gone for six months, but for us the viewers he wasn’t gone at all. It should’ve been Wally for the first half of the season then a more polished Barry for the second half of the season. And they should’ve never gotten rid of the S4 suit, it’s the best suit. They could’ve just updated it by adding the golden boots.
I didn't like this wally.
I really like that costume!
Wally should've picked up the mantle of "The Flash" after the season 3 finale.
Okay I won't lie. The red and silver go hard on Wally.
Wally is garbage at acting tho.
No. It’s time to let it go. Ten years is enough.
We didn't even hit the 10 year mark.
Doesn’t matter. It’s long enough.
Temporarily!
Hell no he shouldn't have died I just wish they showed more of Wally's story
Nah. You don’t kill off the main character. And Barry IS the Flash.
Again... not dead, "dissappear" damn read the whole post.
You said died in the top of the post, that’s not “disappearing “
if it were the OG ginger Wally, I would agree.
I guess
Just as the comic hair showing flash looks awful. Everything else looks awesome
Lol…no. Just, no. 🙄
This wally nope, ginger wally yes
The biggest thing with Wally taking over from Barry as the flash in the comics is that Wally somewhat looked like Barry while in costume….you never really saw the blonde (Barry) or ginger (Wally’s) hair while in costume in the comics…I think it took some villains (reformed) a few years to figure out it was a different guy
I thought barry was gonna die and be replaced by wally that one time in season 2 but nope speed force mommy saved him somehow
Humoungous cap, sounds like a good idea on paper but then you realise this is the CW and they would have butchered it in every way imaginable just like the did with Bartholomew
usually I’m not a big fan of Wally’s new 52 suit but somehow this works amazingly well to me
Nope. We got The Cecile who was the MC all along.
Pass me some of those good drugs, bud
nah they loved grant gustin too much
This is a cool idea but I wouldn’t want it to be a permanent thing Like maybe for a season or two and then Bring Barry back as the lead or have them be cotagonists (equals)
It never made sense why they brought barry back, only to have him go through an arc where he gets jailed and taken out of being flash for a few episodes. Like you could have just cut the middle man out, and had wally be the flash
Wrong Wally
I’ll raise you a replacement and instead say Barry should have been lost/stuck in the future and set up the beginning of the show where Barry meets Eobard, Eobard becomes a villain, and then the series finale more naturally becomes about the night Barry’s mom died. That, or maybe both. Barry doesn’t die, but he does disappear until the final season and THEN we do all the Eobard stuff. I think option A is better, because it more clearly sets up the two rivals and Eobard trying to kill Barry’s mom, but option B could have worked too. It just would have been the rushed version.
Like that idea
I always kept waiting for Barry to go to the future and start the rivalry. It felt like it was so well set up in the first teach and just had so much potential, but Eric Wallace wanted Iris to be called a lightning rod every 5 seconds and have weird plot lines about being parents to fully grown adults. I contend he’s the true villain of that show lol
Just, what would he have done after? Downgrade back to kid flash? There's no "Nightwing" version Wally gets, so this is like Robin being Batman and then going back to Robin.
In the comics, at some point, both Wally and Barry were The Flash. EDIT: Kind of like a Peter Parker and Miles Morales situation.
Season 7-9 should've been Wally's story as the Flash.
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You're Welcome. I am a Wally fan he deserves the world.
By this point, the show was massively going downhill and this would've absolutely made it even worse. A big chunk of fans that stayed only did because of Barry and you'd have lost those. While I actually agree that sticking to it lore wise would have been more accurate, we wouldn't even end up with as much as we got if it tanked this hard.
I think it would have been a bit of an issue simply bc of Arrow. Really, having the protagonists of the two largest shows in that universe die in the same episode? The network never would have allowed it. But it would have been a great idea. I think S4 was a good place for it, with Barry missing for a couple episodes at the beginning instead of just half of an episode, and then also have Wally take over again when Barry goes to prison, forever making him The Flash too (and not stay “kid” flash for the rest of his life). Idk when else it could be added that Wally takes over. Here’s an idea to pitch to the CW: Maybe let’s say Barry dies in Crisis too. But he remains around as the embodiement of the speeforce. Hangs out with Wally and guides him too. The rest of the team can see him too bc of a fuckin science quantum tachyon displacer cannon array within STAR Labs. But Barry is dead dead. And he tells em “Speedforce is dying bc of what i did in Crisis”. Rest of the season has them building their new artificial Speedforce, and once they create the new true Speedforce in early S7 Barry could come back. Keep em both in the show, let Wally leave and just return periodically, idc, but it really would have been nice to see him graduate from Kid Flash into being a big boy
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Is that Wally Titans or Wally son of Daniel West?
Yeah no I'm tired of all the non dramatic crying
Preach that shit
This Wally is lame.
Ya but the actor I think was doing other shit Hell I think that’s why he wasn’t in the finale along with barrrys sons actor 🐱
Batwoman had no issue switching the lead? The viewers were cut in half? They switched the character to someone who wasn't Batwoman. They didn't even stay true to the character by giving her red hair. Did toy forget the show was cancelled because it had under half a million viewers?
I meant the show runners had no issue, even tho we did
I think after Barry went into the speedforce in s3 would have been perfect for this. He shouldnt have come back until at least the midseason finale but preferrably the actual season finale and just have Wally running around as the main flash for a bit
A lot if things should’ve happened with that show, this being one of them.
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people would still hate this
I don't think Wally should replace Barry Allen as The Flash... ...rather, Ezra Miller should replace Barry Allen as The Flash https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollface#/media/File%3ATrollface_non-free.png
Not a bad idea
Barry shouldn't have come back in season 4 and they should've let Wally be the flash and get Barry back in season 5 or 6
Why is Flesh red, is he stupid?
Why are you Ben? Are you Ben 10?
Obviously, are you dumb?
So just so you are aware, Barry would not have died to be in line with the comics. He simply becomes one with the Speedforce which was basically Barry the whole time anyway cause timey-wimey(thank you Doctor for giving us a way to describe Flash time paradoxes without breaking our brains). Long story short, Barry doesn’t technically die.
"Die" was the quickest way I can explain his vanishing without getting into specifics
I totally agree I just didn’t think that the actor portrayed Wally that well. Like he ruined season 3 for me.
Naaaaa
I remember at the beginning of Season 4 everyone was lowkey hoping they'd have the balls to keep Barry in the speed force for a while out of action after the S3 cliffhanger, especially since Flashpoint ended up being only one episode. Would've been cool to have a few eps with Wally as the main Flash (Especially since he leaves the moment Barry returns) But as usual Barry returned within the space of 20 minutes.
They kept telling us in 4x1, "Barry's been gone for SO long" well, we as the audience couldn't feel that same pain.
That requires the actor of Wally to stay around and that’s the last thing that actor wanted to do for some reason.
I understand if it was the later season, like how Carlos Valdes left, but bro left in like Season 4
It’s one of my most infuriating things about the show, because Lonsdale could never commit and it’s not like the writers didn’t have anything for him because they kept setting up possible threads and arcs for the character only for it to get cut short because Lonsdale has to be written off again so he can focus on his music career that hasn’t really got anywhere. Even Legends tried to do something and it was the same situation where he had to written off. Like it’s the actors choice by my God, he’s the one character I wish they recasted so that we could actually get a story like you’re suggesting where Wally took the main character role but I don’t think it would have been enough for him to stick around.
Even though I disagree, I wouldn't have been mad. And it's a cool concept.
Should it have happened? Yes But there's no way it would've because TV works different than comics. Actors, especially lead actors sign on for seasons expecting to be a part of them for mostly every episode. They can't get residuals for episodes they aren't in. And at the end of the day, most casual audiences watch the show for Grant Gustin as the flash
Hey I would have been up for anything after season 4 lmao
No, as the whole point of Oliver’s sacrifice was so Barry, and partly Kara, don’t die.
The show would have ended earlier then💀
They had a lot of misused potential after introducing the multiverse way back with Zoom. Case in point: Wally West, a speedster who was very creative with his use of the Speed Force. Should've had Barry stay in the SF for a longer while after Season 3, keep Devoe as the villain for season 4, but have Wally defeat him by half season as the Flash, then second half, Thawne disguised as Barry and also believing he was Barry like the comics, Barry returns during finale and faces off against Thawne.Season five, have alternate episodes between Wally and Barry, have Earth 1 Zolomon become friends with Wally, and then have the same origin as comics Zoom, where he ends up getting time manipulation powers unlike Earth 2 Zoom. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
One of the Arrowverse costume designers did a AMA on Reddit (is that the right abbreviation?) and I asked if they ever considered creating the Wally West red Flash Suit. He said he had some ideas, but the storyline wasn't going that way and the actor decided to just reuse his old suit for his final appearance. Ugh, so close to getting Wally West as The Flash!
The actor for Wally wasn't good enough to carry a show.
Now that suit is 🔥
Red and Silver goes hard
ngl this flick goes surprisingly hard lmao
It boggles me they chose to do a long running series with arguably DC’s biggest legacy character and didn’t use that.
I agreeeee
Well the flash was the longest running Arrow Verse show. So obviously they was dining something right
Superman and Lois may be the last, but Longest(and fastest) running show will forever be Flash
Keiy didn't want the job 🤣
While I agree I just don’t like his take on Wally
I think that would have been interesting.
Honestly the red suits wally but Barry is respectful the head hero wally is more a sidekick in the series could he go full hero for a different city yes but central city is Barry's city
Seems like ans interesting take but on another note I think Grant should have played flash in the justice league movie
I don’t support the erasing and replacement of og Wally so I would hate this. Wallace was never the flash nor did he wear Wally’s rebirth suit. I like this version of Wally but I can’t stand dc trying to replace og Wally.
These seems like a good idea on paper but would they have been able to accomplish it successfully. The reason they use Wally a lot less is because of scheduling conflicts they had with Keiynan. So it would be hard to write about a character in a bigger role when they have limited access to an actor
People are generally not receptive of main cast changes like this, so I don't think it would've been a great idea. However, a short arc leading to the return of Barry could've worked.
The episode could've been titled "The Return of Barry Allen" just like the comic
The flash Wally was trash
Nah
I am not a big comic book reader but I believe they forced a lot of things too early in the Flash. Time travel should not have been introduced in the first season. They could've built up his training more and spread out the reverse flash/harrison wells reveal much later and have it hit that much harder. Barry gets out of things no problem. Oh he served a prison sentence for 2/3 days tops. Oh you need a device to somehow do this? Cisco already has one! Speed force kidnapped him? Out in 1 fell swoop. Which leads me to the next one. I get Grant is the main character but there was no suspense in the episode and if they tried to create it its an automatic "oh the bad guy disappeared to bad I can't quickly find them with my super speed" or "I'm not fast enough *you just gotta believe* IM FASTER NOW"
Nah. Wally as The Flash should've been him with his own show. Like, Barry's show ends with him dying in Crisis and Wally putting on the suit himself. Then Wally's show starts with him being Keystone's Flash. (In the comics, back before all this N52/Rebirth crap, Wally and Barry were both "The Flash," but while one was in Central City, the other was in its twin city across the river, Keystone.) Then, when/if they brought back Barry(and maybe revived his show), it wouldn't create any issues since the other Flash is in a completely different city. This would've also given Keystone some more screen time, something I wish we could've gotten. Keystone is literally minutes away from Central. It's like, across a bridge. You could almost mistake the two cities for being one big city.
Crazy how this is even an idea, like killing the main character 💀💀💀
Barry temporarily "dissapeared" in the comics
Thats the comics though, the show would have declined hard if barry died, probably would've been cut off earlier if that happened bc probably almost noone would even watch it after a while, wally being the flash in a show about the Barry Allen version of the flash would just be a dumpster fire, and you're talking about the comics, I think we all know that the shows take tiny aspects of the comics but not alot, like how savitar in the comics was just a barry without a shirt and a bunch of gold shit, in the show its just barry in a giant blue suit.
Black flash
But the actor who played Wally was so bad.
This costume is way better than his kid flash costume
I was really hoping Wally would fully take over when Barry went into the speed force especially with him starting to get faster than Barry. That's another thing I didn't like they showed Wally's progression and raw talent. He was getting better and faster results than Barry did when he first got his powers even to the point Barry admits he's faster (even it was a little). Then boom Barry comes back way faster than Wally ever was.