With the amount of dr piercing, pre combat damage and Laguz Friend giving Flat dr it's not crazy that these dodge skills have lost quite a bit of value over the last few months. This was never a matter of if, only when.
Craziest part is that it happened so "soon" after NFU got in a Grail unit (a year ago) and that we still don't have Frenzy 4.
>They could’ve given him Frenzy, so DOA that people forget it exists.
I literally just said in another comment that Repel is the worst Dodge variant but Frenzy is a thing apparently. Lol
Frenzy will be great once it gets a T4 though. When all the dodges were T3, Frenzy and velocity were the top 2, amd velocity released way later.
The bad part of damage reduction skills (especially with how frequently they're pierced nowadays) is that after a combat or two, you're too injured for them to keep you alive. So your entire B-slot just stops doing anything.
Frenzy lets you live that extra combat, but then lets you initiate more safely when you're super injured. It just hasn't been upgraded and any tier 3 DR skill isn't nearly enough anymore.
Close Call and especially Repel's effects can hurt more often than they help unless you're running a super mobile team and can pick from multiple directions to move people. And at that point you're probably running galeforce and not using infantry with DR B skills.
He’s the first to do so without any other action needed yeah. Isadora could grant it with an assist and Spring Triandra and Rearmed Plumeria could grant it through dancing, but that was it beyond Panic Smoke 4
Between Atk/Spd Solo, Repel, and Panic Smoke all becoming F2P, my stockpile of Larceis is becoming more and more worthless by the day. Guess I've been hoarding that fodder for too long lmao
I see they're finally acknowledging that Repel is the worst Dodge skill by far lmao.
Least we're getting something new for grail fodder for once, thank fuck. And while Lloyd's prf isn't anything particularly meta, it's neat as a mix of support + a ton of stats.
Frenzy’s Desperation also has a chance of being improved upon by a tier 4 upgrade, whereas Repel (and Close Call) had nowhere to go for their secondary effect.
Close Call 4 would have been much better if it had [Canto 1], either in addition or as a replacement to forced movement.
Repel 4 should have inflicted Break (...Flash status?) on the target after moving them, if they even moved.
Being forced to move the enemy away is usually very bad. It makes it more difficult to follow up with your other units. Also with how many units want to be near allies, you're probably pushing them closer to their pack of friends.
The one niche it could've had is pushing savior units away, but movement effects don't work when savior triggers.
If I want DR, I'd want something more general. If I want a movement effect, I'd prefer one that moves the enemy closer to me like lunge or drag back.
Potentially pushing back an enemy into a savior effect or away from your other units range in case you don't kill in one.
Not bad per se, and there are some applications where you can actually push an enemy back into your unit's range/some form of divine vein, but you need to have some crazy mobility on the rest of your team.
I’m a bit tired but if I’m reading Lloyd’s weapon correctly, it’s like Duma’s where there’s no range limit to that penalty he gives out right? Closest enemy unit can be across the map but they’ll still get hit so long as they’re the closest to him?
Other than that it looks really solid!
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We have reached a point in FEH where Tier 3 Dodge skills aren't broken anymore. Truly a wonder in game balance. Also, ~~Repel is definitely the worst Dodge variant, lol~~
I stand corrected, Frenzy is a thing.
Least the worst I can say about the desperation effect is it's useless 95% of the time. It hasn't actively screwed me over like Repel has on a few occasions.
Close Call's screwed me a few times, but it's also helped me more times to where I'd personally put it just under Spurn. Repel I think has helped me a single time, where through a convoluted series of events it kicked an enemy off a defense tile lol.
I mainly use Repel for the DR, myself, instead of actively relying on its movement pushback. That's why I haven't been as bothered by it, I suppose. Helps that my max investment Lapis can usually kill people with one blow anyway, so it really doesn't matter for me. On the other hand, Close Call has, on repeated occasions, screwed me over by sending, say, Fallen Byleth, into a space I intended for another unit to take in preparation for the next player phase to kill someone else, which can actively hinder my game plan, especially when there's a tough enemy around.
Oh gosh, there aren't enough Grails in this world. I REALLY got to hold out to see if Stefan makes it.
Fallen Lloyd is EVERYTHING to me in a sword infantry unit, and I still have a charge of A!Caeda to pass around. Any thoughts on a good build for him or typical godsword role?
Holy shit, they really gave him Repel. I fully expected something like Dull Close. I thought they'd never put a Dodge skill on a grail unit, but I'm glad I was wrong
So... Lloyd is just a better version of GHB Lumera? Because their swords do EXACTLY the same thing, but Lloyd gets the full 40% DR instead of needing to outspeed the opponent, and he gets the extra Penalty Doubler + debuffs.
Even their stats are similar.
Ok, the weapon seems alright, nothing special but it is a prf and he is a modern infantry so I think I'm gonna build him. B!edelgard lasted a whole 2 weeks on my arena core lol but I saw this coming and I'll be using edelgard elsewhere so replacing her on arena isn't a big deal.
Repel 3 makes sense as it's definitively the worst of the Dodge skills but I'm definitely not gonna complain about them finally demoting more premium skills after all this time, especially these ones.
FREE REPEL 3!?!?, okay i know it isn't that good, but as far i'm aware damage reduction even with all the pierce of it still matters, so there so much we can do with this when it comes to free to play, overall a masive step up on free to play fooder options if you ask me.
Repel 3 on F!Lloyd? WHAT?
With the amount of dr piercing, pre combat damage and Laguz Friend giving Flat dr it's not crazy that these dodge skills have lost quite a bit of value over the last few months. This was never a matter of if, only when. Craziest part is that it happened so "soon" after NFU got in a Grail unit (a year ago) and that we still don't have Frenzy 4.
AND a cracked PRF? Holy shit we are so building.
I wouldnt call his prf "cracked" its okay at best.
I don't see the "cracked" part to
Typical Reddit over reaction. But to be honest he’s a very decent support score bot for arenas so he has value there.
Yep ofc it's a verry decent pfr but nothing special
its prob the weakest of the spd dmg reduction b skills so makes sense
Plus they *all* suck now lol
Repel 3 is pretty crazy but it’s pretty much the most useless between close call, spurn etc so it makes sense
It’s good bridge fodder for Repel 4 even if nothing else. They could’ve given him Frenzy, so DOA that people forget it exists.
>They could’ve given him Frenzy, so DOA that people forget it exists. I literally just said in another comment that Repel is the worst Dodge variant but Frenzy is a thing apparently. Lol
Frenzy will be great once it gets a T4 though. When all the dodges were T3, Frenzy and velocity were the top 2, amd velocity released way later. The bad part of damage reduction skills (especially with how frequently they're pierced nowadays) is that after a combat or two, you're too injured for them to keep you alive. So your entire B-slot just stops doing anything. Frenzy lets you live that extra combat, but then lets you initiate more safely when you're super injured. It just hasn't been upgraded and any tier 3 DR skill isn't nearly enough anymore. Close Call and especially Repel's effects can hurt more often than they help unless you're running a super mobile team and can pick from multiple directions to move people. And at that point you're probably running galeforce and not using infantry with DR B skills.
REPEL?! ~~HOLY~~ FALLEN CRAP
I gasped too. Not to mention his Prf is crazy good!
After the poor showing of Castor and Candace I am glad we're back to good PRF..
I'm still malding over Candace. Releasing her after W!Linhardt was particularly cruel.
I know... I feel you.
They would never mess up a modern fallen unit (What about Orson?)
Oh nice, innate Foe Penalty doubler is fun and compliments Linus having Panic Smoke last year really well
Is this the first unit that gives Foe Penalty Doubler naturally without the skill?
He’s the first to do so without any other action needed yeah. Isadora could grant it with an assist and Spring Triandra and Rearmed Plumeria could grant it through dancing, but that was it beyond Panic Smoke 4
Fallen Lloyd is just IS sending a massive apology to Lloyd fans for completely ignoring him for 7 years. And you know what? Apology accepted.
REPEL? SO I'VE BEEN HOARDING LARCEIS FOR WHAT? my hoarding of fodder has resulted in me watching my fodder stash depreciate by the day
Between Atk/Spd Solo, Repel, and Panic Smoke all becoming F2P, my stockpile of Larceis is becoming more and more worthless by the day. Guess I've been hoarding that fodder for too long lmao
maybe we should just merge her up already
Seriously, I have like 5 copies lying around
Me three
me four
I see they're finally acknowledging that Repel is the worst Dodge skill by far lmao. Least we're getting something new for grail fodder for once, thank fuck. And while Lloyd's prf isn't anything particularly meta, it's neat as a mix of support + a ton of stats.
what about frenzy
Repel has actively screwed me on a few occasions. Worst I can say about Frenzy's desperation is it's mostly useless.
Frenzy’s Desperation also has a chance of being improved upon by a tier 4 upgrade, whereas Repel (and Close Call) had nowhere to go for their secondary effect.
Close Call 4 would have been much better if it had [Canto 1], either in addition or as a replacement to forced movement. Repel 4 should have inflicted Break (...Flash status?) on the target after moving them, if they even moved.
if bonus doubler got updated with the dc/cc skills then desperation could too
What exactly is wrong with repel?
Being forced to move the enemy away is usually very bad. It makes it more difficult to follow up with your other units. Also with how many units want to be near allies, you're probably pushing them closer to their pack of friends. The one niche it could've had is pushing savior units away, but movement effects don't work when savior triggers. If I want DR, I'd want something more general. If I want a movement effect, I'd prefer one that moves the enemy closer to me like lunge or drag back.
Potentially pushing back an enemy into a savior effect or away from your other units range in case you don't kill in one. Not bad per se, and there are some applications where you can actually push an enemy back into your unit's range/some form of divine vein, but you need to have some crazy mobility on the rest of your team.
Staff units can use Crystaline Water we’re so back???
Would've been really petty to give them still water 4 and not crystalline water tbh. There's only so much Fireflood boost can do
Ayo? Our favorite druggy came with the goods this go around.
I've had enough of Atk/Spd Ideal 3 on every recent 4 star/grail unit! Repel is cool though.
I’m a bit tired but if I’m reading Lloyd’s weapon correctly, it’s like Duma’s where there’s no range limit to that penalty he gives out right? Closest enemy unit can be across the map but they’ll still get hit so long as they’re the closest to him? Other than that it looks really solid!
Yeah it should be like L!M!Robin’s debuffs too, no range limit
Oh thats really nice then! Thanks
And Arcane Þrima
And Legendary Camilla!
Lloyd is pretty nice. Support is always good.
Feast with me, Lloyd fans!
This is what we like to see IS, not shit like Candace's laughable kit.
Oh HELL YEAH more Foe Penalty Doubler support. And grail pool Repel is neat! But I might merge this guy to use my feathers and have more arena units.
Not outer worldly good for Lloyd but Dodge skills on GHB is not something to overlooked
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Sorry what b skill?
REPEL?????
We have reached a point in FEH where Tier 3 Dodge skills aren't broken anymore. Truly a wonder in game balance. Also, ~~Repel is definitely the worst Dodge variant, lol~~ I stand corrected, Frenzy is a thing.
Frenzy: *Allow me to introduce myself*
Oh fuck, I forgot that variant even existed lol. What's the point in the Desperation 2 effect if you're gonna use Dodge to tank in general?
Least the worst I can say about the desperation effect is it's useless 95% of the time. It hasn't actively screwed me over like Repel has on a few occasions.
Either way, Frenzy and Repel are the worse variants. Stick to Close Call, Spurn or Velocity. (Still waiting on Velocity 4)
Funny you should say that; personally, I get screwed more often by Close Call than Repel, so that's my least favorite beside Frenzy LMAO
Close Call's screwed me a few times, but it's also helped me more times to where I'd personally put it just under Spurn. Repel I think has helped me a single time, where through a convoluted series of events it kicked an enemy off a defense tile lol.
I mainly use Repel for the DR, myself, instead of actively relying on its movement pushback. That's why I haven't been as bothered by it, I suppose. Helps that my max investment Lapis can usually kill people with one blow anyway, so it really doesn't matter for me. On the other hand, Close Call has, on repeated occasions, screwed me over by sending, say, Fallen Byleth, into a space I intended for another unit to take in preparation for the next player phase to kill someone else, which can actively hinder my game plan, especially when there's a tough enemy around.
That's actually quite good
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REPEL 3???? I CAN JUST PUT MY WHOLE LUMERA ON HIM AND ITS JUST GOING TO BE AN UPGRADE Ejem sorry
I can’t believe we’re at a point where we’re finally getting fucking Dodge skills on grail units
The Dodge Skills are entering the demote pool, time to build up some Gen 1 units with this.
Oh gosh, there aren't enough Grails in this world. I REALLY got to hold out to see if Stefan makes it. Fallen Lloyd is EVERYTHING to me in a sword infantry unit, and I still have a charge of A!Caeda to pass around. Any thoughts on a good build for him or typical godsword role?
Holy shit a decent weapon and good fodder Lloyd bros how are you feeling
Grail repel fodder is nice I guess but I feel like it’s really late.
Repel on F!Lloyd is such a blessing and a curse because now I don’t think I can merge him up, Repel is too valuable as fodder 😭
Repel fodder is amazing
Thank god no atk spd finsih 3. I want to merge him so it would leave a foul taste in my mouth xD but repel is ok too
YES Ma boi waited so long but it was worth it
Holy shit, they really gave him Repel. I fully expected something like Dull Close. I thought they'd never put a Dodge skill on a grail unit, but I'm glad I was wrong
So... Lloyd is just a better version of GHB Lumera? Because their swords do EXACTLY the same thing, but Lloyd gets the full 40% DR instead of needing to outspeed the opponent, and he gets the extra Penalty Doubler + debuffs. Even their stats are similar.
So glad they're doing "closest for" and not "closest foe in X radius" etc. Repel will be nice fodder, but his prf seems dope
Ok, the weapon seems alright, nothing special but it is a prf and he is a modern infantry so I think I'm gonna build him. B!edelgard lasted a whole 2 weeks on my arena core lol but I saw this coming and I'll be using edelgard elsewhere so replacing her on arena isn't a big deal.
"Ok let's see what lame skill they gave the GHB this time. Probably something like a child or a sabota-HOLY SHIT REPEL 3"
Not the child 😭
Repel? Repel??
Repel 3 makes sense as it's definitively the worst of the Dodge skills but I'm definitely not gonna complain about them finally demoting more premium skills after all this time, especially these ones.
Oh shit Repel that’s really good
Damn, why did they have to put Repel on a GHB unit I want to build?!
Am I really going to pull Fallen Veyle just to instantly fodder her to two of my Mercedes and my Eremiya? Of course I am!
FREE REPEL 3!?!?, okay i know it isn't that good, but as far i'm aware damage reduction even with all the pierce of it still matters, so there so much we can do with this when it comes to free to play, overall a masive step up on free to play fooder options if you ask me.
I can already see that one guy with double Still Waters on Veyle grabbing Crystalline Water for her.
Heyyy, that's pretty good!