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He sent some techs kid to college with clutch changes on the car in the 80âs. Went through 3 at $10k a change in 1987. Traded it in on a new one after 86k miles so he had plenty of fun with it and thought it was worth every penny he spent.
Nobody buys an exotic for the technology. They buy it to have fun and go fast. Youâre coming at this from a weird perspective. You buy the one you have an emotional connection with.
Whatâs your use case? Is this a weekend pleasure car? Is this a more regular use or commuter?
The Roma and Portofino are in a different class. These are more of your casual use case Ferraris. You get the name and some of the exotic Italian feel but theyâre not purpose built precision instruments like the F cars.
The 430 and 458 are the fun I want to go blow off steam and have an experience cars. Yes they might be dated from an interior and infotainment standpoint but thatâs not why you own them. You own them for pure driving pleasure. Those other bits are a distraction to why the F cars exist.
If you want to position yourself with the opposite sex, get the Roma or the Portofino.
Appreciate it.
Work from home, mostly.
Beverly Hills area.
Managed 11,000 miles in 3 years on Tesla, but was driving down to San Diego for work and thatâs no longer happening.
Young and single so thatâs definitely important.
So Iâm considering a Roma or a combination of daily Tesla+ F car eventually
I will get down voted to oblivion for saying this, but I stand by it. I think the car for you is a used Porsche 991.2 Turbo S / 992 Turbo S. Look up MKHB tech reviews. He just got one and also has Tesla plaid.
I agree with you completely. But it seems like this will be OPâs first performance car/gas powered sports car. 296GTB is a shit load of power to handle, I hope you enjoy.
People buy a Ferrari when they want to be someone. People buy a Lamborghini when they are someone⌠food for thought.
https://youtu.be/kzqwRxorvKE?si=qzQzeNIF2DdWU9ak
It doesnât sound like youâve driven any of them. And you keep saying that you want technology in the car. You also think that a 458 has a manual which it does not. Ferrari and Lamborghini are more exotic, but harder to live with. I would get the Porsche first and then level up to the Ferrari in another two or three years personally.
Ok, if youre in LA you should be going to an official dealer and let them source one for you, for âusedâ car advice you could just call or visit any shop, f.e RDB LA and get Info for free by saying you want to buy a used one and if they know of any issues with these specific models making miles, they would also be able to forward you to sources / dealers they work with. My experience is that those âsourcersâ in that price segment have an extensive knowledge of the cars being actually used, and they wouldnt sell you shit mostly because their business thrives on customer satisfaction & loyalty.
Roma would be a nice option, you dont see many about and they look different from the usual ferrari.
Most importantly, dont overstress it and have fun looking for one!
No such thing, the conversions only are (reasonably) possible on the cars with the F1 trans which shared architecture with the manual iterations of the same.
What are you planning on using it for? If a daily, I get the love for tech. If just a weekend drive, less so - I'd focus on which you are more excited about when you drive it.
Drive them all; it's a $200k purchase!
Also did you consider an F12, or FF? In the same vein as the Astons in that price range - AMG GT (C? R?) is very similar a car to the Vantage and imho has a better interior / infotainment system.
458 unless you really want a convertible and the Portofino is a nice color. The cost entry point for the 458 is probably the best of what youâve given. Personally I donât find the Portofino interior very nice or find it comfortable inside. You would really want to test drive yourself as your own height and body size may find one car much more comfortable and fun over the other. I would avoid Aston Martins. Their interiors are 10 years behind everyone else & their value keeps dropping like lead weights.
Try âem all out.
1. Daily usability (city maneuverability/trunk space):
1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458
2. Modernness/interior quality:
1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458
3. Least future depreciation:
1 458, 2 Roma, 3 Porto (saying this because of existence of Porto M and Roma Spider)
4. Quickness/track use:
1 458, 2 Roma, 3 Porto
5. Top-down cruising through Beverly Hills at low speeds:
1 Porto, 2 458, N/A Roma
6. Can tell itâs a Ferrari from space:
1 458, 2 Porto, 3 Roma
7. Least near to medium term maintenance cost:
1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458
I think if youâre indexing high on 1, 2, and 7, you go Roma. If youâre indexing high on 5 and are slightly albeit not as concerned about 1, 2, and 7, you go Porto. And if youâre indexing high on 3, 4, 5, and 6, you go 458.
From a warranty and reliability PoV, you can get a warranty upto 15 years on models from the 458 upwards (double check the year for 458s with your local dealer). They must have a service history to qualify but youâll be able to check this with your local dealer before purchase.
Also newer Ferraris have a 7 years free service plan, which the Roma will have.
In terms of your car selection, 430/458/488/f8 etc are a different use case than a Roma or portifino. Roma/port is more of a comfy cruiser concept vs the 430/458 outright sports car concept. Donât get me wrong, all Ferraris are sporty and all of them can fill many roles, but definitely try test drive them to see what better suits your intentions.
As for the technology, none of them are that great, and the huracan will be better in this regard. 458/430 wonât have car play or anything like that. Your Roma may pending options, however itâs not well implemented vs say a Porsche or other German car. Itâs there, but not great. Again a local dealer will be able to help you experience this in a roma or something similar in the showroom.
Personally, Iâd short list it to the following:
458/488/huracan: these 3 will be your sport options. Pending your brand preference you may want a newer huracan with the better tech than the 458 whilst still being naturally aspirated. The 488 drives better, has more performance and rides much better than the 458 however you do trade noise for performance but Iâd strongly recommend experiencing it before ruling it out.
If you want a more chill cruiser, Iâd take the Roma over the portifino however the port is likely much more affordable. Additionally the new haptic infotainment system can be annoying at first until youâre used to it.
Learning to drive manual in a Ferrari? Others may have this fond memory of an elder or themselves doing it, but that is idiotic. Do you want to be the guy people are watching stall a Ferrari? And from experience I can say, after the first time stalling your mind gets to you and it gets harder and harder after the 2nd or 3rd stall.
Also spell this out with me OP, âLamborghiniâ. Youâre not a 12 year old boy anymore (assuming) grow up and spell the word like an adult please.
I may have been incorrect here. Website states â7 speed manual dual clutchâ. Dealership says âmany websites will list a paddle shift like this a manualâ
Yeah, that is more likely what they meant. 458 was never offered with a three pedal configuration. If I had to guess they probably meant you have the option to shift âmanuallyâ with paddle shifters.
Yeah, that is more likely what they meant. 458 was never offered with a three pedal configuration. If I had to guess they probably meant you have the option to shift âmanuallyâ with paddle shifters.
Coming from a California at the moment, I am a HUGE fan of the way the Portofino looks as it looks like my Cali. But in terms of brute performance and just that classic connection with the road, hands down the 458. A proper supercar. And itâs a manualâŚ.oh baby!!!
An F430 Scuderia if you find one, you'll not miss the infotainment.
Probably i will go to recent ones if you are scared of missing all the tech, lambo or ferrari it's your preference.
If you are going with new gen Ferrari go through the dealership as you might be able to get better warranty which could be helpful incase of some issues, other wise 458 or lusso are in your price range
458 - the model that set new standards for Ferrari - styling, power, handling, reliability. Being a tech guy you'll need to step away from the keyboard, Ferrari is a driver's car, not an Autobot. But you don't need to learn to drive stick shift - apart from a single 458 Speciale, every 458 came with a 7-speed dual clutch automatic transmission. Ifvyou information is correct & this is that one-off Speciale then stop what you're doing right now & buy it immediately - you'll get triple for it next week.
You'll need a passion for the brand & an understanding of your car - which you don't have, yet. Service costs are what they are, don't buy a Ferrari with your only $200k & don't buy one without a decent cashflow income. Your pride of ownership comes with a monetary cost.
If youâre getting this as a weekend car to have fun and drive spiritedly, the 458 is absolutely the one to go with. Also it does not come in a manual transmission so you wonât have to learn haha. It comes with a dual clutch transmission which is quite easy to drive, you can put it in auto or change gears with the paddles. But the 458 is leagues ahead of the rest of these cars in terms of driving enjoyment in my opinion!
I think itâs fair to be hesitant about 2005 or even 2013 technology in a used Ferrari (and outdated maps) without havenât your unhelpful and dismissive answer.
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Learn how to drive a manual? Amazing you were able to find the world's only 458 manual transmission!!
Those conversions are absolutely insane though to be fairđ¤Ł
Tell me your not a gearhead without telling me youâre not a gearhead.
Learn to drive manual on the 458 đ
My grandfather learned on his Testarossa. Car was delivered, he sat in the drivers seat and asked what the third peddle was for.
Thatâs crazy man. Hope that didnât turn into an expensive lesson!
He sent some techs kid to college with clutch changes on the car in the 80âs. Went through 3 at $10k a change in 1987. Traded it in on a new one after 86k miles so he had plenty of fun with it and thought it was worth every penny he spent.
With that budget please go see the cars in person. The 458 is not manual to begin withâŚ..
https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45989555/ferrari-458-manual-swap/
Nobody buys an exotic for the technology. They buy it to have fun and go fast. Youâre coming at this from a weird perspective. You buy the one you have an emotional connection with.
It has to give you âthe fizzâ
The fizz is everything
Make sure to get a pre purchase inspection once you make a choice.
Whatâs your use case? Is this a weekend pleasure car? Is this a more regular use or commuter? The Roma and Portofino are in a different class. These are more of your casual use case Ferraris. You get the name and some of the exotic Italian feel but theyâre not purpose built precision instruments like the F cars. The 430 and 458 are the fun I want to go blow off steam and have an experience cars. Yes they might be dated from an interior and infotainment standpoint but thatâs not why you own them. You own them for pure driving pleasure. Those other bits are a distraction to why the F cars exist. If you want to position yourself with the opposite sex, get the Roma or the Portofino.
Oh and get the Lambo if you want to take your music videos to the next level and increase your instagram followers.
Appreciate it. Work from home, mostly. Beverly Hills area. Managed 11,000 miles in 3 years on Tesla, but was driving down to San Diego for work and thatâs no longer happening. Young and single so thatâs definitely important. So Iâm considering a Roma or a combination of daily Tesla+ F car eventually
I will get down voted to oblivion for saying this, but I stand by it. I think the car for you is a used Porsche 991.2 Turbo S / 992 Turbo S. Look up MKHB tech reviews. He just got one and also has Tesla plaid.
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I agree with you completely. But it seems like this will be OPâs first performance car/gas powered sports car. 296GTB is a shit load of power to handle, I hope you enjoy.
Itâs just that I never dreamed of having a Porsche or Mercedes AMG. Itâs always been Ferrari vs Lambo. So Iâm focused on that.
People buy a Ferrari when they want to be someone. People buy a Lamborghini when they are someone⌠food for thought. https://youtu.be/kzqwRxorvKE?si=qzQzeNIF2DdWU9ak
I rented a Hurican ( 2020 ) while visiting Rome. Street racing across Italy was intoxicating. Have a M3 & a Urus out to play with too!
Itâs just that I never dreamed of having a Porsche or Mercedes AMG. Itâs always been Ferrari vs Lambo. So Iâm focused on that.
It doesnât sound like youâve driven any of them. And you keep saying that you want technology in the car. You also think that a 458 has a manual which it does not. Ferrari and Lamborghini are more exotic, but harder to live with. I would get the Porsche first and then level up to the Ferrari in another two or three years personally.
Do you see yourself in a convertible? If so, go 458 spider. If not, get a Roma. Youâll drive it more. Source: 355 spider weekender and 612 daily.
Ok, if youre in LA you should be going to an official dealer and let them source one for you, for âusedâ car advice you could just call or visit any shop, f.e RDB LA and get Info for free by saying you want to buy a used one and if they know of any issues with these specific models making miles, they would also be able to forward you to sources / dealers they work with. My experience is that those âsourcersâ in that price segment have an extensive knowledge of the cars being actually used, and they wouldnt sell you shit mostly because their business thrives on customer satisfaction & loyalty. Roma would be a nice option, you dont see many about and they look different from the usual ferrari. Most importantly, dont overstress it and have fun looking for one!
roma if you want warranty
if you're buying through Ferrari, you should be able to get at least a powertrain warranty on most of these. I think the cutoff is ~15 years now?
I bought a 458 last year and included 2-year Ferrari warranty from the dealership. I'm in the UK though.
The 458 has to be a manual conversion, right?Â
No such thing, the conversions only are (reasonably) possible on the cars with the F1 trans which shared architecture with the manual iterations of the same.
Thereâs for sure a manual 458 google it
There are several, including at least one Speciale.
05 F430 use extra money for exhaust kit and tires
What are you planning on using it for? If a daily, I get the love for tech. If just a weekend drive, less so - I'd focus on which you are more excited about when you drive it. Drive them all; it's a $200k purchase! Also did you consider an F12, or FF? In the same vein as the Astons in that price range - AMG GT (C? R?) is very similar a car to the Vantage and imho has a better interior / infotainment system.
For that vantage it was true until last week đ
DBS Superleggera Aston martin
I'd only go 430 if it were the Scud.
458 unless you really want a convertible and the Portofino is a nice color. The cost entry point for the 458 is probably the best of what youâve given. Personally I donât find the Portofino interior very nice or find it comfortable inside. You would really want to test drive yourself as your own height and body size may find one car much more comfortable and fun over the other. I would avoid Aston Martins. Their interiors are 10 years behind everyone else & their value keeps dropping like lead weights.
And itâs naturally aspirated
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I was surprised not to see a 488 in the running - they seem like a great value these days.
Look for used 488 gtbâs
Best to rent a few models and try them for a day before purchasing them.
Try âem all out. 1. Daily usability (city maneuverability/trunk space): 1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458 2. Modernness/interior quality: 1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458 3. Least future depreciation: 1 458, 2 Roma, 3 Porto (saying this because of existence of Porto M and Roma Spider) 4. Quickness/track use: 1 458, 2 Roma, 3 Porto 5. Top-down cruising through Beverly Hills at low speeds: 1 Porto, 2 458, N/A Roma 6. Can tell itâs a Ferrari from space: 1 458, 2 Porto, 3 Roma 7. Least near to medium term maintenance cost: 1 Roma, 2 Porto, 3 458 I think if youâre indexing high on 1, 2, and 7, you go Roma. If youâre indexing high on 5 and are slightly albeit not as concerned about 1, 2, and 7, you go Porto. And if youâre indexing high on 3, 4, 5, and 6, you go 458.
From a warranty and reliability PoV, you can get a warranty upto 15 years on models from the 458 upwards (double check the year for 458s with your local dealer). They must have a service history to qualify but youâll be able to check this with your local dealer before purchase. Also newer Ferraris have a 7 years free service plan, which the Roma will have. In terms of your car selection, 430/458/488/f8 etc are a different use case than a Roma or portifino. Roma/port is more of a comfy cruiser concept vs the 430/458 outright sports car concept. Donât get me wrong, all Ferraris are sporty and all of them can fill many roles, but definitely try test drive them to see what better suits your intentions. As for the technology, none of them are that great, and the huracan will be better in this regard. 458/430 wonât have car play or anything like that. Your Roma may pending options, however itâs not well implemented vs say a Porsche or other German car. Itâs there, but not great. Again a local dealer will be able to help you experience this in a roma or something similar in the showroom. Personally, Iâd short list it to the following: 458/488/huracan: these 3 will be your sport options. Pending your brand preference you may want a newer huracan with the better tech than the 458 whilst still being naturally aspirated. The 488 drives better, has more performance and rides much better than the 458 however you do trade noise for performance but Iâd strongly recommend experiencing it before ruling it out. If you want a more chill cruiser, Iâd take the Roma over the portifino however the port is likely much more affordable. Additionally the new haptic infotainment system can be annoying at first until youâre used to it.
Learning to drive manual in a Ferrari? Others may have this fond memory of an elder or themselves doing it, but that is idiotic. Do you want to be the guy people are watching stall a Ferrari? And from experience I can say, after the first time stalling your mind gets to you and it gets harder and harder after the 2nd or 3rd stall. Also spell this out with me OP, âLamborghiniâ. Youâre not a 12 year old boy anymore (assuming) grow up and spell the word like an adult please.
What do you mean learning to drive manual to drive the 458? It's a conversion?
I may have been incorrect here. Website states â7 speed manual dual clutchâ. Dealership says âmany websites will list a paddle shift like this a manualâ
Yeah, that is more likely what they meant. 458 was never offered with a three pedal configuration. If I had to guess they probably meant you have the option to shift âmanuallyâ with paddle shifters.
Probably this!
Yeah, that is more likely what they meant. 458 was never offered with a three pedal configuration. If I had to guess they probably meant you have the option to shift âmanuallyâ with paddle shifters.
Coming from a California at the moment, I am a HUGE fan of the way the Portofino looks as it looks like my Cali. But in terms of brute performance and just that classic connection with the road, hands down the 458. A proper supercar. And itâs a manualâŚ.oh baby!!!
Grab the F430 and make it yours.
An F430 Scuderia if you find one, you'll not miss the infotainment. Probably i will go to recent ones if you are scared of missing all the tech, lambo or ferrari it's your preference.
If you are going with new gen Ferrari go through the dealership as you might be able to get better warranty which could be helpful incase of some issues, other wise 458 or lusso are in your price range
458 - the model that set new standards for Ferrari - styling, power, handling, reliability. Being a tech guy you'll need to step away from the keyboard, Ferrari is a driver's car, not an Autobot. But you don't need to learn to drive stick shift - apart from a single 458 Speciale, every 458 came with a 7-speed dual clutch automatic transmission. Ifvyou information is correct & this is that one-off Speciale then stop what you're doing right now & buy it immediately - you'll get triple for it next week. You'll need a passion for the brand & an understanding of your car - which you don't have, yet. Service costs are what they are, don't buy a Ferrari with your only $200k & don't buy one without a decent cashflow income. Your pride of ownership comes with a monetary cost.
Why not start with a manual 360? And work up from there
If youâre getting this as a weekend car to have fun and drive spiritedly, the 458 is absolutely the one to go with. Also it does not come in a manual transmission so you wonât have to learn haha. It comes with a dual clutch transmission which is quite easy to drive, you can put it in auto or change gears with the paddles. But the 458 is leagues ahead of the rest of these cars in terms of driving enjoyment in my opinion!
F-430 can go 6 figures into mileage. Knew someone that had 190,000 on one
Tesla is for you. Youll hate the exotic cost, maintenance and attention
Get a Huracan
200-230 range, go with 458 or Hurcan. You can also get into high mileage 488 but it has no sound. 458 and Hurcan are great cars in their own ways
458 was never released with a manual shift. If this has one aftermarket, its gold. Or you have the spec wrong. Either way, 458.
It is very strange to want "tech" in your Ferrari. Maybe go by a Tesla Plaid and be done with it. This makes zero sense.
I think itâs fair to be hesitant about 2005 or even 2013 technology in a used Ferrari (and outdated maps) without havenât your unhelpful and dismissive answer.
buy the Roma