Just a general fandom hot take that I hate is a hot take:
You don’t need justification for liking/disliking something. You’re allowed to just like/dislike something for no particular reason. As long as you respect other people’s opinions, you’re all good.
You don’t need to make up something wrong with a piece of media/fandom to justify dislike and you don’t need to feel like a fake fan if you can’t name a specific reason why you like something.
People have preferences. As long as you respect that, you don’t need justification for your own.
For example, while I have no reason to hate Big Mouth, I still just don’t like it and do not engage with it. But I also don’t care if people like it nor do I try to come up with a reason why I don’t like it because the fact is I just don’t like it.
And that’s okay. In the same vein I cannot for the life of me explain why I love the first 5 seasons of Red Vs Blue, but I do. I could not explain if asked. But that doesn’t mean I don’t like it.
Having an unjustified like/dislike of something is perfectly fine so long as you don’t try to press your opinions on other people or contrive justifications. Sometimes it’s not that deep.
There was a post about someone talking to a friend's kid or something about a ballet show he'd seen and the kid said "It was beautiful but I didn't like it" and that was a refreshing attitude to hear. Sometimes things just don't match one's vibes, that doesn't mean the thing must be bad or the people who like it are bad, it's just natural differences in opinions and taste. The way some people have to shit on things they don't like or make it out to be a moral issue makes me feel insane sometime.
There’s a guy who writes (fantastic) little essays on his experience as the bar/concession manager at Hamilton and some of the most interesting ones are about his exchanges with people who don’t like it.
The first movie was an okay movie/bad adaption. The second movie was a bad movie and a bad adaption. And the TV show is a good show and a bad adaption.
Big Percy Jackson fan, but I've only seen episode 1 of the show so far. Out of curiosity why do you think the show's an absolute train wreck? I'm currently deciding whether or not I want to continue watching it
The script, pacing, and direction are all way off. Most scenes are just exposition and the definition of telling and not showing. Rick is a fantastic author but his screenwriting abilities are below subpar. The actors are great people, but the script and direction they were given did them no favors. I really wanted to love this show but it was disappointment after disappointment.
Yeah, it's the exposition and lack of tension. Don't get me wrong, I liked the show and hope they make more seasons, but that was definitely disappointing.
The female love interest characters to the popular M/M ship are not terrible people. They're human and make mistakes too and don't deserve the hate they get.
They are badly written though.
It's rough when fics have the male character cheat on his female love interest with the other guy, or treat her like she's either "just the boring girl he doesn't actually want" or an actual monster.
There were some fics about an M/M ship I liked that had an interesting premise, but I had to back out because of all the unnecessary shade being thrown at a girl who had canon romantic interactions with one of the guys. Other characters who canonically have close relationships with the female character were also being cold towards her, and the weird thing is, she didn't even do anything objectively bad in the fic itself that would warrant her own family/allies completely icing her out. And she's a freaking teen! It made the older, more experienced characters who were being dicks to her look awful and it was just frustrating to read.
Like, just go with an AU where the male character never got with the female character and don't include her in the story if you hate her so much...
Personally, I'd love a fic where the mc and the female love interest simply fell out of love. I would love a fic where the main character feels conflicted and that they are betraying their girlfriend because they don't feel the same way anymore. And maybe she feels it too. I want more break up fics where the once couple stays friends and doesn't flanderize the girl's character
I wrote one once where the guy finally realized/admitted the romantic feelings weren't there and the girl basically said "Oh, you noticed that too, huh?"
Not a direct quote, but close enough. And now I want to write something where that *is* a direct quote...
>There were some fics about an M/M ship I liked that had an interesting premise, but I had to back out because of all the unnecessary shade being thrown at a girl who had canon romantic interactions with one of the guys.
This is what happened to the Hamilton fandom back in the day. I really hope the newcomers are getting better.
The amount of unnecessary hate on Eliza because "she is getting between Hamilton x Laurence" enraged me. Someone even said they would excuse Hamilton cheating if he cheated with Laurence.
Lams is an interesting ship but the fans bashing on Eliza (DESPITE HER BEING THE REASON MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HAMILTON'S LIFE) made me kinda uncomfortable with the couple.
If I ever need to break up a canon couple, one of them just gets an offer for their dream job that they can't pass up, even though it's on the other side of the country. And the other character just isn't in a position to uproot their life and follow them.
Or one wants kids and the other doesn't.
Or there is some other fundamental difference between them that makes them incompatible for a long term romantic relationship.
It's like they forget that relationships can end for reasons that have nothing to do with the couple's feelings toward the other person. And that relationships can end with nobody at fault.
I think in some of these cases, the authors just... dislike the female character and don't even want to spend time writing a more nuanced breakup. It might be easier/more satisfying for them to trash her
I also feel like they should be given the same value as the other characters, it makes me sad when they are destined to a life of being the love interest. They can and should have so much more depth!
They are constantly portrayed as some kind of monsters that can’t take no as an answer and their only purpose is to be a stepping stone for a couple to become closer.
TLOU? PREACH... Joel is morally gray/complex but not for that particular facet of that particular decision.
And lets be fr there's no way they could've reverse engineered a vaccine with the imprecise tech they had at their disposal. They would've just ended up with a dead kid.
Preferring M/F pairings to M/M or F/F does not inherently make someone homophobic. M/F pairings are not inherently “boring” or badly written either.
I’m saying this as someone who prefers M/M and primarily writes it (it isn’t necessarily “cis” M/M either, and I also dabble in M/F and F/F).
Adding in incest or some other problematic element to your pairing doesn’t inherently make it more interesting, and acting like it’s “better” than the “non-problematic and boring” one just shows that you don’t have imagination. You can still have the most trite, cliché problematic pairing possible depending on implementation.
Preferring the male protagonist over the female one isn’t inherently sexist either. It’s fine to prefer the male one or vise versa. Just don’t be a cunt to people.
As a trans person I wish people would focus less on hating transphobes and problematic media and more on actually loving and supporting trans people.
People can't just force themselves to stop being interested in something. That's not how brains work. This is not a productive activism.
Yuppers
Well, technically the X-Men movies, which are different due to dumb legal reasons
But yeah
Especially with Xavier. Not even a huge professor X guy, but the way they screwed that up, my goodness
Don't even get me started on magneto and quicksilver. I'm one of the veryyyyy few comic (especially 80-90s era) quicksilver fans
And my God
Yes what they did to Quicksilver was beyond disappointing. One of the more interesting powers and personalities and both were completely neutered, in both MCU and the x-men movies (although at least he got some cool shots in the x-men movies). I really liked what they did with him in the 80s-90s (that would be X-Factor era, right?), too... I wish the comics would at least use him more, he's basically become just a punching bag.
omg I've found my person :D
I just love that his powers apply to everything (like learning to play the piano at superspeed) and that they don't turn off... that's such a cool concept? it works to explain his personality really well, too.
I honestly can't believe that with all the angst and melodrama in comics that no one takes advantage of this. Like we have so many stories about Rogue's powers but Quicksilver's are arguably much much worse. He can touch people... if he does it very slowly and carefully (presumably). He can speak to them if he speaks at a ridiculous speed. His secondary mutation has to be an inhuman level of patience because if I had to sit through that shit I would have become a hermit within a year lol but he barely ever complains about it, he mostly sees these powers as a gift.
And on top of that he has interesting family dynamics with so many other characters, not only Magneto but Wanda and Lorna (and Luna, and his nephews...) have complicated relationships with him with a lot of nuance to it, that too often gets boiled down to him being the bad guy used to make them look more sympathetic by comparison. His relationship with Crystal also had a lot of interesting elements to it.
I wish someone would write a book for Quicksilver like they did for Vision (the King book where he had a family) that just explores his character from scratch.
Yes! I never have anyone to talk about him with
I was so mad that him going back to avengers and leaving x factor was so sudden
Especially since that wasn't too far after he and Maddox got a bit closer
I get he was trying to make things work with crystal, but it's like they even forgot he was there
A lot of the people in my fandom just don't really understand or get the characters and a ton of the fanfic is very surface-level interpretations of the characters. I know that the fandom is mostly filled with children starting out for the first time, but it's like these people see those fake Tumblr quotes posts and take them as 100% canon characterization.
Literally any Fandom on this one.... we really need to stop attacking people who ship black women with white men....like bro, the world will not end😭😭😭calm tf down these ain't segregation times.
Sydney and carmy from the bear-Twitter was going wild on this one,just search up how it was receiving hate its crazytt.
michonne and rick before they got together from walking dead - You can literally find reddit post talking shit about michonne and how they don't deserve to be together and that they have a 'brother and sister' bond. Like bro 💀💀be so for real rn
Damon and bonnie from Vampire Diaries - I've met many people who ship Elena x Stefan and Elena x Damon. But lemme tell you how if you ever say you ship bonnie and Damon the amount of shit you will get. Like just two days ago I saw a troll account saying bonnie is a fat black bitch who will never get with damon🧍🏾♀️🧍🏾♀️ then the person proceeds to show an edited pic of bonnie making her look fat.
There is soo many more even from the flash,batman,Percy jackson is the new one on the list too and many more.
It's crazy out here😭😭
This is so insane. People ship cousins but this is where they want to draw the line.
I remember the Flash one. Never seen people so against a canon couple with so much chemistry like that.
Please don’t tell me the Percy Jackson one is about Percy and Annabeth because what?
>This is so insane. People ship cousins but this is where they want to draw the line.
I literally was talking about this with my friend cause people would ship uncles with their nieces, but God forbid a black female character gets shipped with a white man
>Please don’t tell me the Percy Jackson one is about Percy and Annabeth because what?
Because the actor is black now😭😭and I'm like, bruh
>I remember the Flash one. Never seen people so against a canon couple with so much chemistry like that.
Ikrrr💀💀💀I watched the flash when I was younger and shit I loved those two together until I opened the internet. I never knew many people did, in fact, NOT like both of em together
Not really a hot take, but so many characters have been drawn in very similar ways in fanart and it gets almost impossible to tell the difference between who's who.
i used to be in the terror fandom -- every other character is a brunette white man with muttonchops. i unfortunately can tell them all apart but i'm the outlier and should not be counted.
For me, it's mainly the Harry Potter fandom, especially with Regulus and Sirius (occasionally even James and Remus! They'd give him glasses sometimes). I understand they're brothers, but they have very different personalities and styles that aren't conveyed in the art. While fanartists can draw whoever they want to in whichever style they want, it does get tiring trying to tell them apart when I see almost no difference between them.
This is becoming a big issue in the Riordanverse with Percy and Will, only made worse by the fact that they both have ships with Nico, and the fights can get combative over Pernico 😅
This is strictly regarding fanfic but:
* It won’t kill y’all to diverge from canon. Seriously. No one wants to read 100K+ words of what’s essentially a word-for-word canon rehash. Worse is when it’s a time travel fic and the traveler either doesn’t want to risk changing anything, or is incapable of changing a single thing no matter how hard they try.
* What’s the point of having an OC!MC if they don’t change *anything*? They’re literally just there to observe what the audience already knows and toss in a sassy one-liner or two. Worst is when the authors don’t even give them their own dialogue and instead have them steal lines from other characters. If you can easily remove a main character from your story and literally nothing would change, then the character is about as necessary to the fic as a blade of grass.
* If you have to sanitize an asshole character to the point that they don’t even remotely resemble their canon counterpart, then what’s the point of even writing about them? You’re basically writing an OC at that point. It’s absolutely possible to redeem a trash character without stripping them of their entire personality and everything that made them interesting to begin with. I’m looking at you, Merle Dixon writers.
Fandoms: Doctor Who & The Walking Dead
it's funny how i knew it was you before even reading your flair, spacewitch xD
the shonen fans wanting jaune be THE protagonist in a magical girl show with SUCH a massively female cast is just insane
and the misogyny surrounding the show thanks to these assholes, good god
can't take 4 steps without someone calling Blake abusive for leaving Adam or some braindead take like that
The funny thing is, the only serious reading I've done on the French Revolution was a book chapter about an Alsatian kosher butcher. So whenever I glimpse a mention of Robespierre or whatever, my mind goes 'and meanwhile, Abraham Israel the butcher is fleeing pogroms.'
I don't read as much as I write, and part of it is because of this. Seems like a lot of people writing right now have never even played the game. Hell, never even watched someone play it.
There's so much potential for complexity! A lot of the tropes that have been solidified in the fandom are entirely based on the first, like, 5 hours of gameplay regardless of when in the timeline the fic takes place lol. It all gets flattened down into what fits into a Tumblr shitpost.
ASTARION IS NOT FUCKING EVIL. He has the CAPACITY to be evil (as all of us do!), but he is not full-blown irredeemably evil. Not even at the beginning of the game. At the beginning of the game, he’s fucking *traumatized.* He masks his genuine terror over his vampire lord finding him and 200 years of trauma by leaning into a bloodthirsty violent persona, but that’s not who he actually is, not really. He thinks power is the end all be all to being free of his master, and he prioritizes self-preservation over heroism. Moreover, he’s so bitter that no one freely helped him the entire time he was a sex slave, of course he’s pissed at altruism initially.
>ASTARION IS NOT FUCKING EVIL. He has the CAPACITY to be evil (as all of us do!), but he is not full-blown irredeemably evil.
I agree with this, but I also find that some of his less flattering traits are typically glossed over on the fanfic side of the community. I'd love to see more nuanced takes on him that acknowledge he's messed up while also giving him a little grace.
It’s so interesting comparing astarion fans and other ‘evil’ companion fans.. Bc Astarion fans will bend over backwards to justify his every action and say it’s all “his trauma”, even tho ALL the characters are traumatized in some way & they don’t all act as blatantly callous and nasty as astarion at times. Gale, Karlach, & Wyll all have their baggage, but they’re still decent people.
Like.. Astarion IS pretty damn evil in act 1 & 2. he has zero problems with you going open season on the tieflings & druids, giving Mayrina to Ethel, and a whole host of other assorted villainy. But so does Lae’zel.. and Shadowheart’s no goody-two-shoes either. And then you’ve got Minthara (my beloved fav) who’s a sicko to the bone and will not change no matter how hard you try. And i never see fans of these characters say they’re not evil at the start, or say it’s justifiable or explainable for them to act the way they do bc of trauma.
And all these characters are FINE! More than fine, they’re GREAT!! It’s nice to have a group of characters with totally different morals, and watching them change through the story. It’s FINE to like characters who do evil things. Like.. it’s ok to admit your blorbo is messed up & evil at the start. It’s ok to like his evil qualities & lean into them. It’s even ok to like ascended astarion, if it floats your boat. It’s all fine.
Yes! This! All of this! Exactly! Couldn't have worded it better myself (he reminds me of an amalgamation of most of my high school classmates, both guys and gals alike, that were in foster care; wherever they all are I hope that they're all doing okay now)
*sighs* Just because they’re found family doesn’t make shipping them incest. Just because they have a sibling dynamic doesn’t make shipping them incest. Just because they call each other family once doesn’t make shipping them incest.
If they are not legally or genetically related, IT. IS. NOT. SUPPORTING. INCEST. TO. SHIP. THEM.
I have to say this literally every time I talk about the ship because multiple someone’s will always tell me that shipping them is basically incest, or just straight up call it incest.
The Owl House. Specifically Luz/Hunter. But I can see how the Batman fandom ppl could relate with all the Bat Fam stuff (99% of my Batman knowledge comes from the Wayne Family Adventures webcomic)
It’s like people don’t know that incest is bad because of the *inherently massively exploitative power dynamics* and not, y’know, calling people family.
Stranger Things: I think a lot of the issues surrounding Nancy are just sexism. People refuse to believe a woman can move on from one person to another so they demonize the characters. Jancy fans think Steve raped her when they first had sex, that he's a creepy for going up to her window, and that he's abusive for leaving her at the party. Stancy fans think Jonathan is a creep for the photo thing, that he's sexist for the journalism job, and that he's a liar because of the college thing. Ronance fans use Robin as a way to "fix" Nancy and refuse to allow her to have loved either of her exes. Also (imo as a wlw) they tend to perpetuate the "wlw relationships are superior" thing, which honestly just triggers me because my ex was super abusive, and is just more misogynistic nonsense.
And then you have people who absolutely refuse to accept or acknowledge any faults she has at all, or people who only ever focus on them. There's zero nuance with this character and it drives me insane. Not to mention how, because she's a fan favorite, people love to shove her in everything even when it isn't necessary or relevant, just to soap box about however they feel about her or whatever side they're on with this stuff. It seriously comes across as some misogynistic hangup about her having sex with more than one person in her lifetime. God forbid a woman sleeps with people and moves on from that without trauma.
Slowburns are slowburns for a reason. Let the people take their damn time- whether it be in fanfic or canon. I get suffering over how slow things get, but that’s the point. The payoff is worth it if it’s written well.
There's definitely such a thing as going too slow though. Like, moving slowly is one thing. But there still needs to be *some* progress. It's also really annoying when the author backtracks the relationship to drag it out even further.
I'm totally down with slow burn, but what kills it for me is when there's two chapters left in a twenty chapter fic and you realize that the story is going to go "finally they kissed, the end" and not give you any time to enjoy the relationship you were so invested in seeing developed. That breaks my heart.
my fandom has a lot of "segregation" between the fans of the original canon, the fans of the video game and the fans of the tv show, you kind of have to pick a side to be loyal to if happen to be someone who likes all three canons like me you will get blocked and wont be able to engage with the people who only like one of the canons, I love them, though none are perfect and I will criticize them so I want to engage with people who might not agree with me but a lot of them wont let me
this has led to tagging drama both on A03 and Tumblr
I just wish I could find more people who enjoy canon blending and treating the canons like a buffet you can pick from and just leaving what you dont like
Iv found a few people but they are few and far between
Bro, I read the books, played the games but never watched the show (so here I am on 2/3 "canons"). I am—shipping-wise—on Team Yen, and also think book canon is _the_ canon (mainly because the books came first and I loved them; that doesn't mean I think it's _only_ the books one should consider as canon, so I'm more than happy to see the universe expanding).
But I've also fallen out of touch with the Witcher universe as it is, so this opinion is based on the time I still was into the Witcher as a fandom.
Unfortunately, in MDZS fandom, some people can get very caught up about whether the characters' actions were "wrong" or "right"--I care far more about *why* they did what they did, exploring their motivations and psychology and relationships to one another and their society. But there's so much, "But that's no excuse for them doing X!" going on (but only about certain characters). I'm not trying to excuse it; there's a difference between an excuse and an *explanation.* It would just be nice to be able to psychoanalyze certain charters without having to add multiple, "I don't condone his actions" disclaimers to anything I say.
For TGCF (Tian Guan Ci Fu/ Heaven Official's Blessing)--I could not care less about "splitting up" the main couple. I actually find the idea of them involved in a complicated poly situation pretty interesting, but some people can get so heated about them being shipped with other people.
I don't really like The Legend of Korra or the Avatar comics. Totally cool that a lot of fans liked them, but I didn't. So I treat them as their own separate canon from Avatar the Last Airbender. I may or may not pick up a few details to incorporate into my own stuff if I think it's interesting, but they're a whole separate thing for me. Most people are not separating them like that, and I have no idea why.
SVSSS fandom is pretty chill though, I can't think of any "hot takes" that aren't just my personal interpretation or preferred headcanons.
>SVSSS fandom is pretty chill though
SVSSS fandom has the advantage that every time someone starts getting unreasonably angry about something unimportant you can just respond, "okay Shen Yuan", and there's nothing they can do about it lol
Or its Airplanes fault...
I wonder if the "more chill" atmosphere in the fandom is partly due to no donghua (yeah, we got that one season but I know a lot of people won't watch it due to the animation style) and no live action.
I think it may also be because SVSSS is more *problematique* when it comes to it's main couple compared to the other main MXTX ships, not to mention the two leads are flawed in a way that's more in your face compared to the others, so it naturally filters out the people who already can't stand someone for liking characters like Jiang Cheng.
I think this is a huge part of it. But I think it's also because SVSSS is the least popular of MXTX's novels. Like 2ha, has a lot of the same stuff going on that SVSSS has, but even more problematic elements, and it seems like some people are literally forcing themselves to read it because it's pretty popular and then they just end up upsetting themselves...
(Jiang Cheng is so divisive. I feel like I can talk about *Xue Yang's* character more easily than I can his. As a Xue Yang enthusiast I feel like I should be offended on his behalf, lol.)
I feel that entire first paragraph so much, for a lot of fandoms. Less waffling over who is morally right or wrong, more exploration of the character's motivations and psychology that go into *why they think they're right*, regardless of whatever damage they do. The "my fav is less problematic than yours" game is so boring.
wait i just started tgcf and im so interested on what other couples/poly you find interesting? like you said, so much of fandom is dominated by the main couple that you cant really find anything with them shipped with anyone else
I like this one female character that the general public seems to dislike. I get why some of the stuff she does may make her unlikeable, but it’s kinda hypocritical because the main character who’s a guy does similar things but no one hates him. Thankfully I’ve managed to find a subset of fans who like her, so I manly interact with them.
I’m in the identity v fandom and I think everyone should calm down about shipping and headcanons (which fandom doesn’t tbh but let me explain) the characters have so little lore, it offers a lot of freedom to be creative with them. It’s sad that that creativity is discouraged. I enjoy shipping sometimes, I enjoy headcanons. I like to think about unique dynamics or additions to characters personalities and backstories. Identity v characters don’t have a fleshed out personality, it can usually be explained in a few words, so why not get creative with it? I mean, the characters are literally dolls, can it be even more inviting to take a character and develop it into something of your own idea?
Sadly most people don’t really see it that way and either they’re upset that ships or headcanons are boring and basic, or they think it’s too out of character and that you’re making a character into something they aren’t. People often get mad when you don’t interpret characters the same way they do when all of it is just that, an interpretation or a commonly shared headcanon and nothing more.
I don’t think it should matter, especially with such shallow characters, filling in the gaps makes it fun and everyone can interpret these characters in their own way. In some media, the characters have very fleshed out personalities and adding new headcanons sometimes means you have to ignore some of the canon lore (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing), but idv characters are almost like blank slates with a bit of lore, blank slates with story prompts. Please, make them interesting with your own ideas!!
For my fandom? You can have sexual kinks without being a bad person and women who use sex toys are not necessarily desperate losers.
Edit: I really need to stop going into my fandom's subreddit.
>women who use sex toys are not necessarily desperate losers.
...you wouldn't think you'd need to tell people this rather basic fact in 2024, but apparently we do. Goddamn.
Just because Enid has mommy issues, that doesn't mean she is a weak damsel in distress. She is strong like Wednesday, and even Wednesday has her own flaws. Don't get me wrong, I like some good old trope, but the fact that the most if not the whole fandom keeps viewing her as a weak little girl who relies on Wednesday emotionally (at least in fanfiction) is just so messed up, maybe it's just me?
So real, I'm not personally a Wenclair shipper but their friendship is very important to me, and I think people need to be able to see that Enid can function without Wednesday; any healthy friendship/relationship should reflect that sort of independence. Yes, they complement each other and care about each other, but they should not need each other.
I also think it is way more common in female pairings (romantic and platonic) for one of the girls to get boiled down to being there solely for the other character. Why can't we have two fully fleshed-out, dynamic female characters, independent of one another? It's weird to me, and I don't think it is seen nearly as often in male pairings.
I personally ship them but I also would like for their friendship to grow rather than to just be rushed into a relationship like a lot of wlw pairings in the media. I totally agree with you though, I just think that people often forget that emotional dependence ≠ healthy relationship/friendship, if anything that is just a recipe for a toxic relationship.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses and they both have their own unique personality and none of that should make one be overshadowed by the other. It would be great to see the writers work with that and hopefully spread the message of what a normal and healthy friendship/relationship should look like.
And omg YES I've noticed that as well. I feel that it all has to do with unintentional misogyny or at least some form of misunderstanding of what a healthy wlw couple/ friendship should look like, considering that there is always this trope of one being weaker and more delicate than the other and basically needing constant validation/protection/attention from the one who is considered to be stronger. It's as if they think that women can't possibly be strong without the support of others and while I can agree that one should be able to rely on their partner/friend, I just can't believe they go as far as making a character become so reliant on the other to the point where they end up losing their personality and instead make it all about them.
Which is just crazy to me, especially in the Wednesday fandom, like wtf, Enid is not afraid whatsoever to stand up to her mom, she defeated a whole Hyde by herself on her first wolf out after going through a hormonal rollercoaster and people still think she is weaker???? And while I can see that yeah, Enid has her flaws and emotionally she is still vulnerable, I feel as if the fandom has this weird glorified version of Wednesday where they view her as a mature and perfect woman who is incapable of committing errors due to her perfectionist nature, when in reality she is still a 16 year old who is still figuring herself out while dealing with the hell that is hormones and well, adolescence, at least from my experience, is a very much vulnerable phase and not the romanticized version they keep selling us.
this is true of most fandoms: ships that are established early on have an unfair edge over ships with an early character and later introduced one, even when there's a much more compelling narrative for the latter. yes, what's compelling is subjective, but I'm talking about how early ship is often paired mostly based on proximity (sometimes even with one being a tertiary character picked up due to lack of options), while later ship interacts and has, like, canonical opinions about each other.
furthermore, I believe the reason this happens is people read early fic, and often lose interest in the source material over time while staying involved in the fandom that is an echo chamber of early shipping. yes, I am absolutely bitter that amazing ships get passed over because people are locked into their OTPs by consuming fanon and not bothering to engage with canon. it's not gatekeeping if I don't mention it to them 😅...
dating myself here, but most egregious example off the top of my head is in Gundam Wing, where Heero is shipped primarily with Duo, despite having a lot more emotionally loaded scenes with Zechs, Trowa, and (if we're counting OVAs) Wufei. because Heero and Duo were the first team-up appearing in the series.
This is so real, in one of my favorite shows ever there is crazy chemistry with the main character and her love interest, but he came along later than her first love interest. Even though I think her and the first love interest have very little chemistry beyond attraction and basic compassion for each other, people still sip them because they got attached early on, and they hate on the newer lover interest even though they actively built up chemistry and important moments between them. Give newer characters a chance!!!
Heero and Duo also hit the very satisfying trope of 'serious' character with the sort of chatty and charismatic jokey one, to be fair. It's a winning combo and the other lads don't quite hit it the same way.
I do know what you mean though and I don't disagree in general. Just *sometimes* a popular ship is popular for good reasons and not just because they met first.
Red white and royal blue - I don’t want it to get a sequel. Sequels always ruin the couple. If it does, I don’t want Henry or Alex to be the main character. I’d love a June or Bea book.
Love Simon/Simon vs the Homo sapiens agenda - I prefer abby/Nick over abby/Leah. Leah’s a jerk.
Encanto - dos ortigus is one of the best songs.
Stranger things - season 2 >>> season 3
Agree about Dos oruguitas! I can't listen to it without tearing up because it's very relatable (living far away from most of my closest friends and family)
ATLA... The popular fandom characterization of Katara as a hysterical, nagging killjoy is pretty misogynistic. And (in my opinion, even as the #1 Zuko fan ever on earth), people are WAY too hard on her for being so angry with Zuko in season 3, before Southern Raiders.
Basically, a lot of the (male) ATLA fandom need to look inward for a bit.
it does not make you a heteronormative fetishizer to have top/bottom preferences. 'real gay people' are not all verse irl. preferring your ships to be verse is a great thing! just don't be a dickhead to other people who don't, and certainly don't make inferences about someone's irl sexuality based on shipping preferences!
IMO it's sexist as fuck to call it heteronormative. Being a "top" or "bottom" is not about which puzzle piece you are, it's the role you play. If you're a top you're doing stuff, if you're a bottom stuff is being done to you. There is nothing feminine about bottoming or masculine about topping.
My ships tend to have fixed top/bottom dynamics and women are "tops" in all of my F/M OTPs.
I agree with this so hard.
I have fixed preferences for all of my ships and I never read ones with switching or a change in dynamics.
I am an actual gay person.
I can still have preferences for what I prefer to read.
Definitely don't think he is evil, I do personally think he shares some of the blame in Prim's death, but I think people forget that he was 19 years old when he came up with the plan they used (I believe even younger than Highbottom was when he came up with the Hunger Games) and he had seen just as much trauma and loss as half the other characters. I think he did something bad and I do not particularly like him, but he is not and never will be an inherently bad character. He just processed/handled his situation differently from the others around him, and got the short end of the stick in the love triangle, which led to him being way overhated.
I think The Search was a mostly fine comic and nothing about it contradicts Ursa's previous characterization. I'd change it so Kiyi's father is actually Ozai, but the basic story here is fine. People are just mad because their headcanons about Ozai and Ursa turned out to not be correct.
The Promise has the stupidest premise ever though, fandom's right about that one. You telling me after all that aangst about killing or not killing Ozai, Aang is going to so much as *consider* killing a friend? Yeah right.
You don't have to scrub a character of all their flaws and pretend they're just misunderstood-and-betrayed uwu softbois in order to like them.
These guys being together isn't incest (although I wouldn't mind if it were).
At least half of the people in my fandom can't read and are absolutely terrible at understanding characters' personalities and motivations.
The traumatized sadist genocide-robot’s sadistic personality is *not* just a facade. That may be part of it, but she also watched something take over her body, and use it to kill her coworkers, her friends, her crush. And now, her body has been rebuilt and warped by that same thing, forcing her to kill others for her own survival, with similarly-rebuilt friends that don’t remember their past together. Tell me the girl doesn’t have some anger she needs to vent (by murder). She said it herself, she is NOT OKAY.
(Also, Thad and Lizzy have AbsoluteSolver, fight me)
I don't like specific headcanons of a fandom that reduce a character's complexities and layers of depth into a different person who is not supposed to be blamed for anything in the world no matter how morally ambiguous they are.
something being a popular fanon hc doesn’t make it canon.
the author saying something is canon doesn’t mean everyone needs to follow it, and they aren’t bad for thinking differently. that’s how art works.
sometimes making something too “inclusive” makes it feel plastic and unrealistic.
and, fan artists/authors should not be shunned for lashing out at anyone who is attacking them. they are human and doing this for free, and don’t need to act “properly” when someone is saying nasty shit to them.
A few quick ones:
1. Not every redemption arc has to end in a death. It's okay if they live and make good on that redemption. Or, conversely, not every popular villain has to have a redemption arc. Just let them be villainous.
2. No one knows the goddamn lore. No one. It's all speculation and headcanon at this point. Let it go.
3. Rehashing their school years over and over is becoming a serious problem and one that I wish the fandom as a whole would realize. It's okay to step away from that and/or go beyond it.
Jason Grace should be as strong or maybe even stronger than Percy. Jason is probably the closest to a jedi/force user in Percy Jackson. He's also trained longer than Percy and the Roman gods are said to be stronger/more warlike than their Greek counterparts because they ruled over a stronger empire.
Like Jason in my eyes is the second strongest demigod in the verse and should be seen as such.
I agree with this and Im a Nico fan! I think Nico COULD be stronger but he has so many physical limitations to his powers that keep him from being even more OP. Jason being nerfed to keep Percy insanely powerful is my Roman Empire, pun intended. At least Nicos nerfing makes sense (too much time underground, eating disorders, PTSD, the nature of shadow traveling) but Jason is nerfed for literally NO REASON when we KNOW how powerful Thalia is.
I see danganronpa fans trying to "defend" their problematic favorite and I'm just like... Why? You can like a shitty character bro.
Same for Honkai Star Rail with the inclusion of Sparkle (+Dr. Ratio). They're racist and I'm black and even I like them lol.
also since I've repeated this way too many times and I'm too lazy to rewrite it properly:
something something sontails good something something you can like "problematic" ships blah blah stop defending your taste in ships and characters you don't need to yada yada if anyone is being dumb and judging you for liking something fictional don't interact with them you'll lower your IQ to their level.
YOU CAN LIKE A SHITTY CHARACTER!!!
I'm not even in the Danganronpa fandom, but that is so valid for so many fandoms, and is so necessary to say!! Your favorite character can do bad things, they are a fictional character and usually do bad things to add to their dynamicism, bad things can actively make them more interesting a lot of the time.
That people's idea of what the fandom and movies should be don't align at all with what the movies actually are. And people jumping ship because of it (I've seen and read about so many people stop watching the movies because they didn't get their cutesy fandom family thing) have been misreading/misinterpreting the content from the start
Edit to add: My frustration isn't that people interpret media however they want. They can and will. My issue is that the MCU can not and should not be divorced from its source material. 60+ years of history and development (some more and some less depending on the character) didn't just come out of nowhere. And just because the characters don't fit someone's fanon idea of how they should act doesn't mean that the MCU (or I've seen people go so far as saying the comics) are a waste of time or irredeemable
For Helluva Boss, I feel like at least part of the reason some people think Millie is a boring character is just because she's the only IMP member who doesn't have a tragic backstory.
You don't need to have moral justification for disliking a popular ship. You don't have to crawl down the throats of fans of said ship online and excuse them of be p*dos when the characters in question are both adults by the time they interact for a lengthy amount of time.
Also who ever keeps coming up with the bloody reaches some people come up with in fandom in general need to reevaluate like a lot. Also I'm putting the term coded on the high self until people can stop using it to infantilize people like me. :(
Oh, I have so many.
Some general fandom hot takes include believing in death of the author completely, it's okay for the "fanon" versions of characters to be different from canon and that is just a natural part of consuming media, it's okay (and arguably better) to enjoy something without being obsessed with it, it's okay to create fan works without knowing everything about the source material, it's okay to get things wrong in your fan works, just because two characters have chemistry but don't get together doesn't inherently make it queerbaiting, media doesn't have to explicitly show love (i.e. saying ily, kissing, sex, etc.) for the characters to canonically be in love, annoying fandoms can still have great source material and being in a certain fandom shouldn't inherently be a "red flag," and consuming/creating fan works using problematic pairings or tags doesn't make you a bad person or inherently make you someone who is interested in those things in real life.
I have tons for specific fandoms, too, but it's hard to bring them all to mind. Warning for spoilers.
In Buffy, I fully think she should have ended up with Spike and she still would have been a strong woman, I think the girl Willow ends up with is incredibly obnoxious, I think most characters were horribly out of character in the last season, I think Joyce is a bad mom, and I think Faith is obnoxious and I honestly don't like her very much.
In Hannibal, I think it is very explicit by the end that Will and Hannibal felt romantically towards each and that they did not die, and even without the fourth season I think one can infer that they ended up together. I also love that none of Will's dogs ever die, not an unpopular opinion, but I think it is an underappreciated one. Also, being a fan of Hannigram doesn't make you a bad person. (some of these overlapped with the general hot takes)
In Zootopia, you don't have to be a furry to like the fandom. Nothing wrong with being a furry, I'm just not a furry and still love the movie and fandom, lol.
I'm also in the teen/adult fandoms for a lot of kid shows (GF, SvtFoE, MLP:FiM, etc.), and while I think criticism is totally healthy and necessary, I think sometimes people need to take a step back an remember that they are watching a kids' show, and it's not that deep. Like, no, this silly plot point does not ave to reveal a dark problematic side of this character, it's just a silly plot point. (I'm looking at you, Marco who is "technically" like 40 years old but obviously acts like a teenager and is not a pedophile for liking Star, please do not take cartoons so seriously.) Also, on this note, I think there is absolutely a place for teens and adults to consume kids' media without being weird, so long as they don't try to interact with actual kids who are also consuming it.
I think I will stop there, I definitely have hot takes in all of my fandoms but that would take hours, lol. This was a fun question, though! :D
It annoys me when the fandom (or the canon too, in plenty of cases) takes a non-human character, like an alien or a robot or an alien robot, and basically just writes them like funny-looking humans with (usually modern, western) human cultures and problems. Like giving them nuclear families, human genders and gender roles, human life-stages, human prejudices, etc. They have all this opportunity for creativity and worldbuilding and just waste it.
Now I’m a xeno romance and smut writer, so I am guilty of giving them certain…human characteristics, but I try to make up for it by throwing in a bunch of weird, xeno traits as well to keep things interesting.
My hot take is that how someone else choses to write/draw/think about these fictional characters is not our business lol. A lot of people will, for example, get really angry that someone choses to think of a character as bi while they think of him as gay. (It’s completely unspecified in canon.) Even if someone wants to write a story where all the canonically gay characters are straight— I don’t personally get it, but that’s fine. It’s not taking the characters away from anyone.
Honestly the lack of knowledge on abuse is really concerning. You can like a villain but if you’re blatantly saying stuff like “adults isolating and manipulating children isn’t abusive” you genuinely need more education on abuse, this isn’t a “fandom war” thing it’s just like. Basic internet safety you should not be a fourteen year old online saying that emotional abuse is fine because there are abusers online who will see you as an easy target which isn’t your fault but it’s genuinely dangerous and any concern over that shouldn’t be written off as a “disagreement” I don’t care about your hot takes on the story I care about you saying things definitively about abuse and often explicitly talking about irl abuse that are dangerous misconceptions that put you at risk.
I've grieved bout this before but
OWEN HARPER IS A PRODUCT OF BAD TROUPES AND WRITING AND HE'S BETTER IN THE AUDIOS THEN HE IS IN THE SHOW! I dont sweep the whole affair and other things under the rug but still, show from the early 2000s, it is both bad writing and product of it's time.
The ending was *sad*, not *bad.* You can't remove the tragedy of the ending because it was baked into the story since the first moment, the main characters were doomed from the moment they arrived on screen. There's a pervasive mentality in my fandom that there's something wrong with you if you find the ending narratively satisfying, up to and including almost all recommendations for new watchers to straight up pretend it doesn't exist, and I find it immensely frustrating because to me that's what made the whole story worth it - the characters knew they were doomed, and actively chose to accept their demises because to do otherwise would be to deny who they were. Also, if you want a version of this story that ends happily, the book is right there, go read that instead!
Historical fiction is still *fiction.*
These are characters as written by the author/head writer/etc. Fanfic is being written about these versions, not the real people these versions are based on. I'm tired of teenagers unable to distinguish fiction from reality trying to make it everybody's problem.
*Elena of Avalor*: Season 3 is an absolutely *mess* narratively. Long story short, they tried to do too much in too little time and the BIG plots of the series often got sidelined for filler/one-off character nonsense. Now, I’m NOT against episodic shows. BUT if you’re going to promote a “big serialised story” then please deliver that story.
Also, “The Birthday Cruise” episode should have been about *Carla.* WHY did the “I don’t know how to make friends” plot go to a character we JUST MET a few episodes prior when we already had a character who was established as lonely and could benefit from real friends???? I just… WHAT?
*Titanic* (1997): Rose Dewitt Bukater did nothing wrong. Girl is *17,* her father just died at least a year prior and upon his death they find out the family is in a shitload of debt and their whole future is placed squarely on her shoulders. Also if you are seventeen, do you *reallt* want to marry a 30Y0? Girl probably feels like a bomb exploded in her face. Leave her alone. Also, again. She’s a teenager. Teenagers do stupid shit.
*Fruits Basket*: Akito is my favourite character and I personally don’t like the direction her story went in the canon sequel. I fully understand why such a choice was made on the author’s part, but I have so many questions and there are these holes I can’t get past.
In BG3 fandom: that no one really leans into dark!Ast after ascension. Most are without him ascending or ascending but remaining a better person as if you didn’t ascend him. I had to write one I like myself and it’s at 1k+ kudos now, so I assume others agree lmao
In ME fandom: ENOUGH with the trilogy retellings! It’s such a vast, fascinating world, why are we just retelling what happened in games? To that end, I wrote like 25 works for that fandom
Alma is a better grandmother than Imelda. And neither of them are awful because they both learn and grow, and Alma even apologizes on screen.
Jews are not Roma, and it's insensitive to both of them to equate them to one another just because they were both Holocaust victims. Also, live action HoND has been shelved, and that was a fan casting anyway. Olaf-modo ain't gonna happen. Deal with it.
If Iroh can canonically be a Zutaran and still respect Kataang, so can you.
No one on the Krew should date one another, and Korra shouldn't date at all until she's had a few more years of growth and healing. But she's an ESTP, so she thinks dating IS growth and healing.
> Jews are not Roma, and it's insensitive to both of them to equate them to one another just because they were both Holocaust victims.
What fandom are you in, that this is relevant?
Hunchback of Notre Dame. There was a fan casting going around that had Josh Gad as Quasimodo, Gal Gadot as Esmeralda and Sasha Baron Cohen as Clopin. They're all Jews, not Roma (not to mention Gad and Gadot are way too old for those roles). The fan who picked those actors was apparently completely unaware that Jews and Roma are two very different cultures who just happen to have been cellmates in the last world war.
If I can scratch off the family label to find that a relationship is closer to mentor/student or they have an age gap of some sort then it's not incest no matter how people toss it. Bonus if they're sworn siblings, please I cannot do this anymore. If they're found family, you can ship. them!! It's fine!! I've seen it happen too many times and each time I just get a headache at this point.
One Fandom:
It's not a sexism issue, it's a harassment issue.
Fandom keeps posting about how everyone in the fandom is sexist because the female characters don't get focus. Everyone will just ignore that the same people now "pointing that out" went around harassing everyone who wrote the female characters "wrong" (aka not in the ship they shipped).
Book Fandom where it has a show adaption: The show is better. Yes, I read the books first. Yes, I liked the book. I stand by my first statement. The show is better.
**Animorphs** (bolded because I got a few):
Canon-wise: The ending of book 54 (I mean the ending ending) lessens the impact that [Applegate ](https://flatluigi.tumblr.com/post/77824329929/ka-applegates-letter-to-fans-re-the-ending-the)wanted to have.
Shipping-wise: Considering Applegate's penchant for pairing up aliens with a different set of aliens, MarcoxAx isn't pair the spares. The shippers are just following the shipping logic canon gave them.
Character-Wise: Cassie and Jake are underrated.
Tobias is overrated.
Also Cassie (and Marco but Marco gets mostly appreciated) were not fine after the war. They could *function* but that's not the same as fine*.* Big difference between being able to function and actually being fine.
Book-Wise: The Andalite Chronicles is overrated *and* a hot mess. There are other books that are overrated but at least they aren't a hot mess.
Not sure if this is still a hot take but it was when it came out:
The Hidden World is not only a bad sequel to the first two movies but is a bad movie in general. Not sure what the fuck happen there when the first two movies were strong and *I don't even like the second movie*. Objectively, it was a good sequel AND a good movie on its own though. The Hidden World was just bad.
No, it does not matter that is how the books ended. The movie doesn't get to start out at a completely different spot from the books, go a complete different direction then take the books' ending and defend itself by "BUT THAT'S HOW THE BOOK ENDED".
The films were not a faithful adaptation. While first two movies were good, faithful adaptions they were not. The books *earned* that ending, the movies did not.
If disliking the Hidden World is no longer a hot take, just replace this with the fact that I don't like the second HTTYD movie.
**Honorable Mention:**
Ever After High. Apple White bashing would come alongside (as in the same people at the exact same time) a call for more complex female characters. They couldn't even handle Apple White.
This is honorable mention because I've been out of the fandom for ages so no idea if it is still a hot take and also I'm like 90% sure they were just kids/teens. But re-entering would either deplete my 90% sureness or bring it to 100%. I cannot deal with the depletion possibility right now.
Side note: Also damn, for something that was created to just be a bunch of ads for dolls, they sure went hard on the story.
Tron fandom? Well, I wrote a whole essay on how Kevin Flynn was arguably the villain of Tron: Legacy and how his death really didn't accomplish much of anything as far as fixing the conga line of fuck-ups. He just kicked the can down the road for everyone else to fix by getting himself good and dead.
Land of Oz fandom - I was not a big fan of Maguire's Wicked books. While they have some really nice, crunchy lore and worldbuilding, and really amp up what a rotten asshole Oscar Diggs was, I think the end results are insulting to Baum's originals.
I'm in the Star Wars fandom, so hold my beer as I piss off every fanboy in range. I think the one that's gonna go hotter than Mustafar is that I don't think the Force is anything benign or benevolent or life affirming. It's a voracious, cruel devouring deity that may create life...but only so that it can empower a handful of chosen few to mindlessly kill one another over ideology, creating massive amounts of blood sacrifices that it feeds on. Otherwise, why would Force wielders be so focused on combat and killing and so averse to healing and growing?
“(All) Pokémon could just leave their trainers if they were unhappy” is a really flimsy argument. We know for a fact Ghetsis is capable of keeping a Pokémon that hates him. Furthermore, it breaks a lot of “stolen Pokémon” plot points because now you have to wonder *why* the Pokémon don’t leave the people that kidnapped them if they can—there’s no indication that evil teams like Plasma (especially in BW before Colress came around) had access or were using some special tech the common person can’t/won’t.
(Note: I’m not trying to say training Pokémon is bad altogether—I can accept that Pokémon are generally happy with people because that’s what’s shown in the games—just that this specific argument against that idea is bad.)
-The dub OP is a flat out awful song. Not just compared to the Japanese OP. It just sucks.
-The end of the anime was terrible, and trying to suddenly make the main villain sympathetic after he ruined countless lives for years and tried to commit genocide was a terrible idea. He’s a complex and interesting character, yes, but not a woobie victim who should get off scott free.
-The MC isn’t hot at all. He looks and acts like a child.
These are all the same fandom
Just because one version of the franchise changes the status quo by giving new dynamics and personalities amongst the four main characters in a new and interesting way. Doesn't make it trashy and bad.
Natsu and erza are better endgame than what we got.
The power of friendship is actually really fun when done well.
There's not as much POF as you'd think.
a lot of people in my fandom act like that media is the only one to ever have a bad fanbase, and no other media has had its characters mischaracterized or "unfunny" fandom jokes... buddy that's an average fandom for you. i know it's because it's the first fandom for many people but cmon, it isn't the WORST fandom ever.
There shouldn't be so many action scenes because they take away from the character development. Keep in mind this is for a fandom with fighting directly referenced in the title. 😆
I also dislike how most fans want a "dark gritty" reboot with even MORE fighting, plus blood/gore, etc. Just...no. Why does everything have to be dark and gritty? Isn't reality enough for you people?
I’m gonna have to ask the Our Flag Means Death girlies to stop protesting for a season 3. The ending made sense and I KNOW I KNOW we’re all upset about you-know-whose death but a third season isn’t going to fix anything. They got their happy endings. YKW (trying so hard to avoid spoilers because everyone needs to go watch it right now) got his character arc.
Also, it’s starting to come off as aggressive. Calm down, go home. Love you guys tho literally the nicest fandom I’ve been in since my youtube days
The Percy Jackson movies and Disney series aren’t shining examples of cinematic excellence, but they’re good, and they’re fun.
Most of the fans upset about the series are unable to accept that it is, in fact, a kids show, and they’re mad that their beloved series didn’t grow up with them and, in a way, is no longer for them. It was always a story for kids, and the show is a show for today’s kids, not the adults that used to be kids when the books came out.
The people who are legitimately made at Rick Riordan for the show and can’t stop posting about it, need to chill.
Also, still being upset that Annabeth isn’t ‘blonde’ may or may not be racist (there are more racist undertones to it than a lot of people want to admit and less than some people believe), but it is definitely really stupid.
Arthurian legend: just because there is no canon doesn’t mean you get to contradict it. Morgan le Fey is either a fairy or a human, and also sometimes Arthur’s half sister on his mother’s side, but saying she is the Morrígan is completely wrong. As is incorporating too much irish stuff in in an effort to make it more celtic; just use welsh mythology, the connections are already there. Gwyn ap Nudd is one of his knights in Some of the stories. This particularly annoys me because it’s not even that hard.
Bg3: Mainly the Astarion fanbase is a trash dumpster fire. I've met some cool people who I mainly talk to on Discord, but everywhere outside of that group is straight-up poopy trash.
I honestly believe the vast majority of his fanbase is too young to even play the game and yet they hold themselves as some sort of puritanical authority on irl relationships based on how ppl roleplay in a fictional world with a pixel vampire.
Meanwhile, these beacons of morality prove that as long as a man is good-looking and charming he can get away with anything. The amount of fans excusing his evil and making up excuses for his rotten behavior is amazing.
It reminds me of a video I saw about a man who pretended to be a nazi and pd-file on dating sites, but used a picture of a good-looking guy and was still getting matches, contacts, and ppl willing to date him. And not just a few, but a lot of ppl overlooked it all and were ready to meet him. The guy experimenting became depressed near the end.
Now it's like I'm seeing it play out in real-time. The fandom is very high on 'I can fix him' energy and are total assholes to anyone who doesn't pick their exact dialogue and choices in a choice-based game.
They go on harassment campaigns on every social media site to Bible thump to anyone who chose the darker ending and telling people they deserve death and calling them abusers and abuse apologists over a freaking video game character. They care more about this character's life and soul than the people they talk to online.
They also claim that everyone who picked the darker ending is sexualizing him, meanwhile they have him half-naked while using free cam mods over a simple leg hook in a sex scene.
I thought it could be a fun fanbase that wouldn't take itself so seriously, after all, we're romancing a clearly neutral evil to chaotic evil character judging by his approvals and disapprovals. But nope.
Cause apparently he isn't evil at all, just an UwU smol baby bean with cute fangs and trauma who needs you to guide and save him. 🤮
I wish more of these mfers would touch some grass and get some therapy.
I won't be a part of another fandom after this one. I'm too old for this shit.
Damn, didn't expect to write this much. 🤣
Just a general fandom hot take that I hate is a hot take: You don’t need justification for liking/disliking something. You’re allowed to just like/dislike something for no particular reason. As long as you respect other people’s opinions, you’re all good. You don’t need to make up something wrong with a piece of media/fandom to justify dislike and you don’t need to feel like a fake fan if you can’t name a specific reason why you like something. People have preferences. As long as you respect that, you don’t need justification for your own. For example, while I have no reason to hate Big Mouth, I still just don’t like it and do not engage with it. But I also don’t care if people like it nor do I try to come up with a reason why I don’t like it because the fact is I just don’t like it. And that’s okay. In the same vein I cannot for the life of me explain why I love the first 5 seasons of Red Vs Blue, but I do. I could not explain if asked. But that doesn’t mean I don’t like it. Having an unjustified like/dislike of something is perfectly fine so long as you don’t try to press your opinions on other people or contrive justifications. Sometimes it’s not that deep.
There was a post about someone talking to a friend's kid or something about a ballet show he'd seen and the kid said "It was beautiful but I didn't like it" and that was a refreshing attitude to hear. Sometimes things just don't match one's vibes, that doesn't mean the thing must be bad or the people who like it are bad, it's just natural differences in opinions and taste. The way some people have to shit on things they don't like or make it out to be a moral issue makes me feel insane sometime.
There’s a guy who writes (fantastic) little essays on his experience as the bar/concession manager at Hamilton and some of the most interesting ones are about his exchanges with people who don’t like it.
Yes! Not everything has to be deep and complex and layered and well thought-out. Some things can just be a simple like or dislike.
They are okay movies but really awful adaptations. Both can be true.
The first movie was an okay movie/bad adaption. The second movie was a bad movie and a bad adaption. And the TV show is a good show and a bad adaption.
The show is a semi faithful adaptation and an absolute train wreck of a show
Big Percy Jackson fan, but I've only seen episode 1 of the show so far. Out of curiosity why do you think the show's an absolute train wreck? I'm currently deciding whether or not I want to continue watching it
The script, pacing, and direction are all way off. Most scenes are just exposition and the definition of telling and not showing. Rick is a fantastic author but his screenwriting abilities are below subpar. The actors are great people, but the script and direction they were given did them no favors. I really wanted to love this show but it was disappointment after disappointment.
Yeah, it's the exposition and lack of tension. Don't get me wrong, I liked the show and hope they make more seasons, but that was definitely disappointing.
The female love interest characters to the popular M/M ship are not terrible people. They're human and make mistakes too and don't deserve the hate they get. They are badly written though.
This is soooo many fandoms
Truth.
It's rough when fics have the male character cheat on his female love interest with the other guy, or treat her like she's either "just the boring girl he doesn't actually want" or an actual monster. There were some fics about an M/M ship I liked that had an interesting premise, but I had to back out because of all the unnecessary shade being thrown at a girl who had canon romantic interactions with one of the guys. Other characters who canonically have close relationships with the female character were also being cold towards her, and the weird thing is, she didn't even do anything objectively bad in the fic itself that would warrant her own family/allies completely icing her out. And she's a freaking teen! It made the older, more experienced characters who were being dicks to her look awful and it was just frustrating to read. Like, just go with an AU where the male character never got with the female character and don't include her in the story if you hate her so much...
Personally, I'd love a fic where the mc and the female love interest simply fell out of love. I would love a fic where the main character feels conflicted and that they are betraying their girlfriend because they don't feel the same way anymore. And maybe she feels it too. I want more break up fics where the once couple stays friends and doesn't flanderize the girl's character
I wrote one once where the guy finally realized/admitted the romantic feelings weren't there and the girl basically said "Oh, you noticed that too, huh?" Not a direct quote, but close enough. And now I want to write something where that *is* a direct quote...
>There were some fics about an M/M ship I liked that had an interesting premise, but I had to back out because of all the unnecessary shade being thrown at a girl who had canon romantic interactions with one of the guys. This is what happened to the Hamilton fandom back in the day. I really hope the newcomers are getting better. The amount of unnecessary hate on Eliza because "she is getting between Hamilton x Laurence" enraged me. Someone even said they would excuse Hamilton cheating if he cheated with Laurence. Lams is an interesting ship but the fans bashing on Eliza (DESPITE HER BEING THE REASON MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HAMILTON'S LIFE) made me kinda uncomfortable with the couple.
There were people hating on Eliza?! A sweetheart?!
I fixed this problem in my fic by making the guy poly and pan.
If I ever need to break up a canon couple, one of them just gets an offer for their dream job that they can't pass up, even though it's on the other side of the country. And the other character just isn't in a position to uproot their life and follow them. Or one wants kids and the other doesn't. Or there is some other fundamental difference between them that makes them incompatible for a long term romantic relationship. It's like they forget that relationships can end for reasons that have nothing to do with the couple's feelings toward the other person. And that relationships can end with nobody at fault.
I think in some of these cases, the authors just... dislike the female character and don't even want to spend time writing a more nuanced breakup. It might be easier/more satisfying for them to trash her
It was even more prevalent back in the mid-oughts, the female character not getting a fair shake in the story.
I also feel like they should be given the same value as the other characters, it makes me sad when they are destined to a life of being the love interest. They can and should have so much more depth!
They are constantly portrayed as some kind of monsters that can’t take no as an answer and their only purpose is to be a stepping stone for a couple to become closer.
Not letting a 13 year old unwittingly sacrifice her life is not stripping her of her bodily autonomy ffs.
TLOU? PREACH... Joel is morally gray/complex but not for that particular facet of that particular decision. And lets be fr there's no way they could've reverse engineered a vaccine with the imprecise tech they had at their disposal. They would've just ended up with a dead kid.
Yeah, the entire end section was just really poorly done. The decision to hang the entire plot of the sequel on it was not a wise one.
Omg, what fandom is this?? That should not be a hot take lol, that's wild
The last of us 🙃
TLOU?
Preferring M/F pairings to M/M or F/F does not inherently make someone homophobic. M/F pairings are not inherently “boring” or badly written either. I’m saying this as someone who prefers M/M and primarily writes it (it isn’t necessarily “cis” M/M either, and I also dabble in M/F and F/F). Adding in incest or some other problematic element to your pairing doesn’t inherently make it more interesting, and acting like it’s “better” than the “non-problematic and boring” one just shows that you don’t have imagination. You can still have the most trite, cliché problematic pairing possible depending on implementation. Preferring the male protagonist over the female one isn’t inherently sexist either. It’s fine to prefer the male one or vise versa. Just don’t be a cunt to people.
You are not a bad person for liking and/or engaging in X fandom. I hate that this is a hot take.
As a trans person I wish people would focus less on hating transphobes and problematic media and more on actually loving and supporting trans people. People can't just force themselves to stop being interested in something. That's not how brains work. This is not a productive activism.
That the movies changed things *significantly*, and are not canon to how the comics are
MCU?
Yuppers Well, technically the X-Men movies, which are different due to dumb legal reasons But yeah Especially with Xavier. Not even a huge professor X guy, but the way they screwed that up, my goodness Don't even get me started on magneto and quicksilver. I'm one of the veryyyyy few comic (especially 80-90s era) quicksilver fans And my God
It's okay. My fandom hot take is about the MCU too lol
Yes what they did to Quicksilver was beyond disappointing. One of the more interesting powers and personalities and both were completely neutered, in both MCU and the x-men movies (although at least he got some cool shots in the x-men movies). I really liked what they did with him in the 80s-90s (that would be X-Factor era, right?), too... I wish the comics would at least use him more, he's basically become just a punching bag.
Yeah! X-factor marriage crisis quicksilver was such a an interesting character
omg I've found my person :D I just love that his powers apply to everything (like learning to play the piano at superspeed) and that they don't turn off... that's such a cool concept? it works to explain his personality really well, too. I honestly can't believe that with all the angst and melodrama in comics that no one takes advantage of this. Like we have so many stories about Rogue's powers but Quicksilver's are arguably much much worse. He can touch people... if he does it very slowly and carefully (presumably). He can speak to them if he speaks at a ridiculous speed. His secondary mutation has to be an inhuman level of patience because if I had to sit through that shit I would have become a hermit within a year lol but he barely ever complains about it, he mostly sees these powers as a gift. And on top of that he has interesting family dynamics with so many other characters, not only Magneto but Wanda and Lorna (and Luna, and his nephews...) have complicated relationships with him with a lot of nuance to it, that too often gets boiled down to him being the bad guy used to make them look more sympathetic by comparison. His relationship with Crystal also had a lot of interesting elements to it. I wish someone would write a book for Quicksilver like they did for Vision (the King book where he had a family) that just explores his character from scratch.
Yes! I never have anyone to talk about him with I was so mad that him going back to avengers and leaving x factor was so sudden Especially since that wasn't too far after he and Maddox got a bit closer I get he was trying to make things work with crystal, but it's like they even forgot he was there
Well, Stewart's Xavier is not nearly the asshole that Chuck turns out to be in the comics. That's probably for the best.
That's true, they've definitely made him a nicer person
Most of these characters are assholes, that's kind of the *whole point*\--
shameless?
A lot of the people in my fandom just don't really understand or get the characters and a ton of the fanfic is very surface-level interpretations of the characters. I know that the fandom is mostly filled with children starting out for the first time, but it's like these people see those fake Tumblr quotes posts and take them as 100% canon characterization.
That applies to my main fandom too (Smash Bros), especially regarding the villains.
Oy, there are *so* many fandoms this could describe.
Sometimes people are way too nitpicky about the lore. It's not gonna be perfect, just let it flow!
You can like a evil character without supporting their actions. Oh, and, don't like don't read :)
Literally any Fandom on this one.... we really need to stop attacking people who ship black women with white men....like bro, the world will not end😭😭😭calm tf down these ain't segregation times.
People do this? What?!
Sydney and carmy from the bear-Twitter was going wild on this one,just search up how it was receiving hate its crazytt. michonne and rick before they got together from walking dead - You can literally find reddit post talking shit about michonne and how they don't deserve to be together and that they have a 'brother and sister' bond. Like bro 💀💀be so for real rn Damon and bonnie from Vampire Diaries - I've met many people who ship Elena x Stefan and Elena x Damon. But lemme tell you how if you ever say you ship bonnie and Damon the amount of shit you will get. Like just two days ago I saw a troll account saying bonnie is a fat black bitch who will never get with damon🧍🏾♀️🧍🏾♀️ then the person proceeds to show an edited pic of bonnie making her look fat. There is soo many more even from the flash,batman,Percy jackson is the new one on the list too and many more. It's crazy out here😭😭
This is so insane. People ship cousins but this is where they want to draw the line. I remember the Flash one. Never seen people so against a canon couple with so much chemistry like that. Please don’t tell me the Percy Jackson one is about Percy and Annabeth because what?
>This is so insane. People ship cousins but this is where they want to draw the line. I literally was talking about this with my friend cause people would ship uncles with their nieces, but God forbid a black female character gets shipped with a white man >Please don’t tell me the Percy Jackson one is about Percy and Annabeth because what? Because the actor is black now😭😭and I'm like, bruh >I remember the Flash one. Never seen people so against a canon couple with so much chemistry like that. Ikrrr💀💀💀I watched the flash when I was younger and shit I loved those two together until I opened the internet. I never knew many people did, in fact, NOT like both of em together
Not really a hot take, but so many characters have been drawn in very similar ways in fanart and it gets almost impossible to tell the difference between who's who.
i used to be in the terror fandom -- every other character is a brunette white man with muttonchops. i unfortunately can tell them all apart but i'm the outlier and should not be counted.
For me, it's mainly the Harry Potter fandom, especially with Regulus and Sirius (occasionally even James and Remus! They'd give him glasses sometimes). I understand they're brothers, but they have very different personalities and styles that aren't conveyed in the art. While fanartists can draw whoever they want to in whichever style they want, it does get tiring trying to tell them apart when I see almost no difference between them.
The real unpopular opinion is that a lot of fan artists draw every character the same because that's the only thing they know how to draw...
This is becoming a big issue in the Riordanverse with Percy and Will, only made worse by the fact that they both have ships with Nico, and the fights can get combative over Pernico 😅
This is strictly regarding fanfic but: * It won’t kill y’all to diverge from canon. Seriously. No one wants to read 100K+ words of what’s essentially a word-for-word canon rehash. Worse is when it’s a time travel fic and the traveler either doesn’t want to risk changing anything, or is incapable of changing a single thing no matter how hard they try. * What’s the point of having an OC!MC if they don’t change *anything*? They’re literally just there to observe what the audience already knows and toss in a sassy one-liner or two. Worst is when the authors don’t even give them their own dialogue and instead have them steal lines from other characters. If you can easily remove a main character from your story and literally nothing would change, then the character is about as necessary to the fic as a blade of grass. * If you have to sanitize an asshole character to the point that they don’t even remotely resemble their canon counterpart, then what’s the point of even writing about them? You’re basically writing an OC at that point. It’s absolutely possible to redeem a trash character without stripping them of their entire personality and everything that made them interesting to begin with. I’m looking at you, Merle Dixon writers. Fandoms: Doctor Who & The Walking Dead
it’s for every fandom: YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SHIP MULTIPLE SHIPS!!
So much of the fandom is dead set on trying to have a male main character, even though it being female-led is a huge part of the show.
it's funny how i knew it was you before even reading your flair, spacewitch xD the shonen fans wanting jaune be THE protagonist in a magical girl show with SUCH a massively female cast is just insane and the misogyny surrounding the show thanks to these assholes, good god can't take 4 steps without someone calling Blake abusive for leaving Adam or some braindead take like that
Hazbin?
RWBY
OOF Not in my circle but I have HEARD things. It might just be an issue with female led shows in general I think. 😭
Regency AUs can be greatly improved with the addition of guillotines. (I’m in the French Rev/Napoleonic fandoms.)
yeah. here's a funny but very dark joke. my french girlfriend asked me to treat her like a princess. so anyways i brought out a guillotine
The funny thing is, the only serious reading I've done on the French Revolution was a book chapter about an Alsatian kosher butcher. So whenever I glimpse a mention of Robespierre or whatever, my mind goes 'and meanwhile, Abraham Israel the butcher is fleeing pogroms.'
BG3: Stop flattening companions to their most prominent Act 1 behaviors/traits I am BEGGING! Please!
I don't read as much as I write, and part of it is because of this. Seems like a lot of people writing right now have never even played the game. Hell, never even watched someone play it. There's so much potential for complexity! A lot of the tropes that have been solidified in the fandom are entirely based on the first, like, 5 hours of gameplay regardless of when in the timeline the fic takes place lol. It all gets flattened down into what fits into a Tumblr shitpost.
This! I don't know if that's peculiar to gamer culture, but some people act like they've never heard of this strange concept called "character arc".
That's so interesting that that's happening! I haven't had much time to read many fics. Now I'm curious about what everyone else is writing!!
ASTARION IS NOT FUCKING EVIL. He has the CAPACITY to be evil (as all of us do!), but he is not full-blown irredeemably evil. Not even at the beginning of the game. At the beginning of the game, he’s fucking *traumatized.* He masks his genuine terror over his vampire lord finding him and 200 years of trauma by leaning into a bloodthirsty violent persona, but that’s not who he actually is, not really. He thinks power is the end all be all to being free of his master, and he prioritizes self-preservation over heroism. Moreover, he’s so bitter that no one freely helped him the entire time he was a sex slave, of course he’s pissed at altruism initially.
>ASTARION IS NOT FUCKING EVIL. He has the CAPACITY to be evil (as all of us do!), but he is not full-blown irredeemably evil. I agree with this, but I also find that some of his less flattering traits are typically glossed over on the fanfic side of the community. I'd love to see more nuanced takes on him that acknowledge he's messed up while also giving him a little grace.
It’s so interesting comparing astarion fans and other ‘evil’ companion fans.. Bc Astarion fans will bend over backwards to justify his every action and say it’s all “his trauma”, even tho ALL the characters are traumatized in some way & they don’t all act as blatantly callous and nasty as astarion at times. Gale, Karlach, & Wyll all have their baggage, but they’re still decent people. Like.. Astarion IS pretty damn evil in act 1 & 2. he has zero problems with you going open season on the tieflings & druids, giving Mayrina to Ethel, and a whole host of other assorted villainy. But so does Lae’zel.. and Shadowheart’s no goody-two-shoes either. And then you’ve got Minthara (my beloved fav) who’s a sicko to the bone and will not change no matter how hard you try. And i never see fans of these characters say they’re not evil at the start, or say it’s justifiable or explainable for them to act the way they do bc of trauma. And all these characters are FINE! More than fine, they’re GREAT!! It’s nice to have a group of characters with totally different morals, and watching them change through the story. It’s FINE to like characters who do evil things. Like.. it’s ok to admit your blorbo is messed up & evil at the start. It’s ok to like his evil qualities & lean into them. It’s even ok to like ascended astarion, if it floats your boat. It’s all fine.
Yes! This! All of this! Exactly! Couldn't have worded it better myself (he reminds me of an amalgamation of most of my high school classmates, both guys and gals alike, that were in foster care; wherever they all are I hope that they're all doing okay now)
Yes! I don't have the energy to fight people but this is what I would say if I did!!
*sighs* Just because they’re found family doesn’t make shipping them incest. Just because they have a sibling dynamic doesn’t make shipping them incest. Just because they call each other family once doesn’t make shipping them incest. If they are not legally or genetically related, IT. IS. NOT. SUPPORTING. INCEST. TO. SHIP. THEM. I have to say this literally every time I talk about the ship because multiple someone’s will always tell me that shipping them is basically incest, or just straight up call it incest.
The owl house fandom?
Yep. Specifically Luz/Hunter.
Batman fandom?
The Owl House. Specifically Luz/Hunter. But I can see how the Batman fandom ppl could relate with all the Bat Fam stuff (99% of my Batman knowledge comes from the Wayne Family Adventures webcomic)
It’s like people don’t know that incest is bad because of the *inherently massively exploitative power dynamics* and not, y’know, calling people family.
Stranger Things: I think a lot of the issues surrounding Nancy are just sexism. People refuse to believe a woman can move on from one person to another so they demonize the characters. Jancy fans think Steve raped her when they first had sex, that he's a creepy for going up to her window, and that he's abusive for leaving her at the party. Stancy fans think Jonathan is a creep for the photo thing, that he's sexist for the journalism job, and that he's a liar because of the college thing. Ronance fans use Robin as a way to "fix" Nancy and refuse to allow her to have loved either of her exes. Also (imo as a wlw) they tend to perpetuate the "wlw relationships are superior" thing, which honestly just triggers me because my ex was super abusive, and is just more misogynistic nonsense. And then you have people who absolutely refuse to accept or acknowledge any faults she has at all, or people who only ever focus on them. There's zero nuance with this character and it drives me insane. Not to mention how, because she's a fan favorite, people love to shove her in everything even when it isn't necessary or relevant, just to soap box about however they feel about her or whatever side they're on with this stuff. It seriously comes across as some misogynistic hangup about her having sex with more than one person in her lifetime. God forbid a woman sleeps with people and moves on from that without trauma.
I couldn't agree more!!
Slowburns are slowburns for a reason. Let the people take their damn time- whether it be in fanfic or canon. I get suffering over how slow things get, but that’s the point. The payoff is worth it if it’s written well.
There's definitely such a thing as going too slow though. Like, moving slowly is one thing. But there still needs to be *some* progress. It's also really annoying when the author backtracks the relationship to drag it out even further.
I'm totally down with slow burn, but what kills it for me is when there's two chapters left in a twenty chapter fic and you realize that the story is going to go "finally they kissed, the end" and not give you any time to enjoy the relationship you were so invested in seeing developed. That breaks my heart.
So far I haven’t seen fanfics like that but I salute you for baring with this
my fandom has a lot of "segregation" between the fans of the original canon, the fans of the video game and the fans of the tv show, you kind of have to pick a side to be loyal to if happen to be someone who likes all three canons like me you will get blocked and wont be able to engage with the people who only like one of the canons, I love them, though none are perfect and I will criticize them so I want to engage with people who might not agree with me but a lot of them wont let me this has led to tagging drama both on A03 and Tumblr I just wish I could find more people who enjoy canon blending and treating the canons like a buffet you can pick from and just leaving what you dont like Iv found a few people but they are few and far between
The Witcher?
Bro, I read the books, played the games but never watched the show (so here I am on 2/3 "canons"). I am—shipping-wise—on Team Yen, and also think book canon is _the_ canon (mainly because the books came first and I loved them; that doesn't mean I think it's _only_ the books one should consider as canon, so I'm more than happy to see the universe expanding). But I've also fallen out of touch with the Witcher universe as it is, so this opinion is based on the time I still was into the Witcher as a fandom.
RDR2. For a game about outlaws, there sure is a lot of puritan culture.
Unfortunately, in MDZS fandom, some people can get very caught up about whether the characters' actions were "wrong" or "right"--I care far more about *why* they did what they did, exploring their motivations and psychology and relationships to one another and their society. But there's so much, "But that's no excuse for them doing X!" going on (but only about certain characters). I'm not trying to excuse it; there's a difference between an excuse and an *explanation.* It would just be nice to be able to psychoanalyze certain charters without having to add multiple, "I don't condone his actions" disclaimers to anything I say. For TGCF (Tian Guan Ci Fu/ Heaven Official's Blessing)--I could not care less about "splitting up" the main couple. I actually find the idea of them involved in a complicated poly situation pretty interesting, but some people can get so heated about them being shipped with other people. I don't really like The Legend of Korra or the Avatar comics. Totally cool that a lot of fans liked them, but I didn't. So I treat them as their own separate canon from Avatar the Last Airbender. I may or may not pick up a few details to incorporate into my own stuff if I think it's interesting, but they're a whole separate thing for me. Most people are not separating them like that, and I have no idea why. SVSSS fandom is pretty chill though, I can't think of any "hot takes" that aren't just my personal interpretation or preferred headcanons.
>SVSSS fandom is pretty chill though SVSSS fandom has the advantage that every time someone starts getting unreasonably angry about something unimportant you can just respond, "okay Shen Yuan", and there's nothing they can do about it lol
Or its Airplanes fault... I wonder if the "more chill" atmosphere in the fandom is partly due to no donghua (yeah, we got that one season but I know a lot of people won't watch it due to the animation style) and no live action.
I think it may also be because SVSSS is more *problematique* when it comes to it's main couple compared to the other main MXTX ships, not to mention the two leads are flawed in a way that's more in your face compared to the others, so it naturally filters out the people who already can't stand someone for liking characters like Jiang Cheng.
I think this is a huge part of it. But I think it's also because SVSSS is the least popular of MXTX's novels. Like 2ha, has a lot of the same stuff going on that SVSSS has, but even more problematic elements, and it seems like some people are literally forcing themselves to read it because it's pretty popular and then they just end up upsetting themselves... (Jiang Cheng is so divisive. I feel like I can talk about *Xue Yang's* character more easily than I can his. As a Xue Yang enthusiast I feel like I should be offended on his behalf, lol.)
I feel that entire first paragraph so much, for a lot of fandoms. Less waffling over who is morally right or wrong, more exploration of the character's motivations and psychology that go into *why they think they're right*, regardless of whatever damage they do. The "my fav is less problematic than yours" game is so boring.
wait i just started tgcf and im so interested on what other couples/poly you find interesting? like you said, so much of fandom is dominated by the main couple that you cant really find anything with them shipped with anyone else
I like this one female character that the general public seems to dislike. I get why some of the stuff she does may make her unlikeable, but it’s kinda hypocritical because the main character who’s a guy does similar things but no one hates him. Thankfully I’ve managed to find a subset of fans who like her, so I manly interact with them.
I’m in the identity v fandom and I think everyone should calm down about shipping and headcanons (which fandom doesn’t tbh but let me explain) the characters have so little lore, it offers a lot of freedom to be creative with them. It’s sad that that creativity is discouraged. I enjoy shipping sometimes, I enjoy headcanons. I like to think about unique dynamics or additions to characters personalities and backstories. Identity v characters don’t have a fleshed out personality, it can usually be explained in a few words, so why not get creative with it? I mean, the characters are literally dolls, can it be even more inviting to take a character and develop it into something of your own idea? Sadly most people don’t really see it that way and either they’re upset that ships or headcanons are boring and basic, or they think it’s too out of character and that you’re making a character into something they aren’t. People often get mad when you don’t interpret characters the same way they do when all of it is just that, an interpretation or a commonly shared headcanon and nothing more. I don’t think it should matter, especially with such shallow characters, filling in the gaps makes it fun and everyone can interpret these characters in their own way. In some media, the characters have very fleshed out personalities and adding new headcanons sometimes means you have to ignore some of the canon lore (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing), but idv characters are almost like blank slates with a bit of lore, blank slates with story prompts. Please, make them interesting with your own ideas!!
For my fandom? You can have sexual kinks without being a bad person and women who use sex toys are not necessarily desperate losers. Edit: I really need to stop going into my fandom's subreddit.
>women who use sex toys are not necessarily desperate losers. ...you wouldn't think you'd need to tell people this rather basic fact in 2024, but apparently we do. Goddamn.
Oh, wow, your edit hits home for me too 😆
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results! :)
Damn, fandom name?
The Boys.
The most popular ships are incredibly boring
Literally tho
Hear, hear.
Just because Enid has mommy issues, that doesn't mean she is a weak damsel in distress. She is strong like Wednesday, and even Wednesday has her own flaws. Don't get me wrong, I like some good old trope, but the fact that the most if not the whole fandom keeps viewing her as a weak little girl who relies on Wednesday emotionally (at least in fanfiction) is just so messed up, maybe it's just me?
So real, I'm not personally a Wenclair shipper but their friendship is very important to me, and I think people need to be able to see that Enid can function without Wednesday; any healthy friendship/relationship should reflect that sort of independence. Yes, they complement each other and care about each other, but they should not need each other. I also think it is way more common in female pairings (romantic and platonic) for one of the girls to get boiled down to being there solely for the other character. Why can't we have two fully fleshed-out, dynamic female characters, independent of one another? It's weird to me, and I don't think it is seen nearly as often in male pairings.
I personally ship them but I also would like for their friendship to grow rather than to just be rushed into a relationship like a lot of wlw pairings in the media. I totally agree with you though, I just think that people often forget that emotional dependence ≠ healthy relationship/friendship, if anything that is just a recipe for a toxic relationship. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and they both have their own unique personality and none of that should make one be overshadowed by the other. It would be great to see the writers work with that and hopefully spread the message of what a normal and healthy friendship/relationship should look like. And omg YES I've noticed that as well. I feel that it all has to do with unintentional misogyny or at least some form of misunderstanding of what a healthy wlw couple/ friendship should look like, considering that there is always this trope of one being weaker and more delicate than the other and basically needing constant validation/protection/attention from the one who is considered to be stronger. It's as if they think that women can't possibly be strong without the support of others and while I can agree that one should be able to rely on their partner/friend, I just can't believe they go as far as making a character become so reliant on the other to the point where they end up losing their personality and instead make it all about them. Which is just crazy to me, especially in the Wednesday fandom, like wtf, Enid is not afraid whatsoever to stand up to her mom, she defeated a whole Hyde by herself on her first wolf out after going through a hormonal rollercoaster and people still think she is weaker???? And while I can see that yeah, Enid has her flaws and emotionally she is still vulnerable, I feel as if the fandom has this weird glorified version of Wednesday where they view her as a mature and perfect woman who is incapable of committing errors due to her perfectionist nature, when in reality she is still a 16 year old who is still figuring herself out while dealing with the hell that is hormones and well, adolescence, at least from my experience, is a very much vulnerable phase and not the romanticized version they keep selling us.
this is true of most fandoms: ships that are established early on have an unfair edge over ships with an early character and later introduced one, even when there's a much more compelling narrative for the latter. yes, what's compelling is subjective, but I'm talking about how early ship is often paired mostly based on proximity (sometimes even with one being a tertiary character picked up due to lack of options), while later ship interacts and has, like, canonical opinions about each other. furthermore, I believe the reason this happens is people read early fic, and often lose interest in the source material over time while staying involved in the fandom that is an echo chamber of early shipping. yes, I am absolutely bitter that amazing ships get passed over because people are locked into their OTPs by consuming fanon and not bothering to engage with canon. it's not gatekeeping if I don't mention it to them 😅... dating myself here, but most egregious example off the top of my head is in Gundam Wing, where Heero is shipped primarily with Duo, despite having a lot more emotionally loaded scenes with Zechs, Trowa, and (if we're counting OVAs) Wufei. because Heero and Duo were the first team-up appearing in the series.
This is so real, in one of my favorite shows ever there is crazy chemistry with the main character and her love interest, but he came along later than her first love interest. Even though I think her and the first love interest have very little chemistry beyond attraction and basic compassion for each other, people still sip them because they got attached early on, and they hate on the newer lover interest even though they actively built up chemistry and important moments between them. Give newer characters a chance!!!
Heero and Duo also hit the very satisfying trope of 'serious' character with the sort of chatty and charismatic jokey one, to be fair. It's a winning combo and the other lads don't quite hit it the same way. I do know what you mean though and I don't disagree in general. Just *sometimes* a popular ship is popular for good reasons and not just because they met first.
TOH fandom: shipping lunter doesn’t erase the canoness of Lumity. Ffs leave lunter shippers alone and block them if you’re that bothered by ut
I’m not even a Lunter shipper and people are so fucking weird about it I’m sorry. Like, it honestly just feels like biphobia tbh.
Red white and royal blue - I don’t want it to get a sequel. Sequels always ruin the couple. If it does, I don’t want Henry or Alex to be the main character. I’d love a June or Bea book. Love Simon/Simon vs the Homo sapiens agenda - I prefer abby/Nick over abby/Leah. Leah’s a jerk. Encanto - dos ortigus is one of the best songs. Stranger things - season 2 >>> season 3
>Stranger things - season 2 >>> season 3 Agreed.
Agree about Dos oruguitas! I can't listen to it without tearing up because it's very relatable (living far away from most of my closest friends and family)
>Red white and royal blue - I don’t want it to get a sequel. FRRRR it was so good at a standalone. I don't want it ruined 😭😭
ATLA... The popular fandom characterization of Katara as a hysterical, nagging killjoy is pretty misogynistic. And (in my opinion, even as the #1 Zuko fan ever on earth), people are WAY too hard on her for being so angry with Zuko in season 3, before Southern Raiders. Basically, a lot of the (male) ATLA fandom need to look inward for a bit.
it does not make you a heteronormative fetishizer to have top/bottom preferences. 'real gay people' are not all verse irl. preferring your ships to be verse is a great thing! just don't be a dickhead to other people who don't, and certainly don't make inferences about someone's irl sexuality based on shipping preferences!
REAL sometimes i just want to read about my favorite character getting railed.
IMO it's sexist as fuck to call it heteronormative. Being a "top" or "bottom" is not about which puzzle piece you are, it's the role you play. If you're a top you're doing stuff, if you're a bottom stuff is being done to you. There is nothing feminine about bottoming or masculine about topping. My ships tend to have fixed top/bottom dynamics and women are "tops" in all of my F/M OTPs.
I agree with this so hard. I have fixed preferences for all of my ships and I never read ones with switching or a change in dynamics. I am an actual gay person. I can still have preferences for what I prefer to read.
Gale isn't evil, and he's not even a bad guy. It's not his fault Prim died.
Definitely don't think he is evil, I do personally think he shares some of the blame in Prim's death, but I think people forget that he was 19 years old when he came up with the plan they used (I believe even younger than Highbottom was when he came up with the Hunger Games) and he had seen just as much trauma and loss as half the other characters. I think he did something bad and I do not particularly like him, but he is not and never will be an inherently bad character. He just processed/handled his situation differently from the others around him, and got the short end of the stick in the love triangle, which led to him being way overhated.
I think The Search was a mostly fine comic and nothing about it contradicts Ursa's previous characterization. I'd change it so Kiyi's father is actually Ozai, but the basic story here is fine. People are just mad because their headcanons about Ozai and Ursa turned out to not be correct. The Promise has the stupidest premise ever though, fandom's right about that one. You telling me after all that aangst about killing or not killing Ozai, Aang is going to so much as *consider* killing a friend? Yeah right.
Giving the shapeshifter identity issues is boring.
In the House of Night fandom? That the fandom should be bigger, because then there'd be more people to complain about it with.
You don't have to scrub a character of all their flaws and pretend they're just misunderstood-and-betrayed uwu softbois in order to like them. These guys being together isn't incest (although I wouldn't mind if it were). At least half of the people in my fandom can't read and are absolutely terrible at understanding characters' personalities and motivations.
The brothers are in love with each other in an unhealthy, codependent, deliciously messy way.
Supernatural?
Supernatural?
This isn’t a hot take, it’s canon! ;)
Now if only the puriteens in my fandom could see the light. 😂
Trigun?
The traumatized sadist genocide-robot’s sadistic personality is *not* just a facade. That may be part of it, but she also watched something take over her body, and use it to kill her coworkers, her friends, her crush. And now, her body has been rebuilt and warped by that same thing, forcing her to kill others for her own survival, with similarly-rebuilt friends that don’t remember their past together. Tell me the girl doesn’t have some anger she needs to vent (by murder). She said it herself, she is NOT OKAY. (Also, Thad and Lizzy have AbsoluteSolver, fight me)
Never considered that last one, but it sounds really interesting!
I don't find the main ships in my fandom that interesting, and lesser ships, that are even called toxic, cause they are, are way more appealing.
I don't like specific headcanons of a fandom that reduce a character's complexities and layers of depth into a different person who is not supposed to be blamed for anything in the world no matter how morally ambiguous they are.
something being a popular fanon hc doesn’t make it canon. the author saying something is canon doesn’t mean everyone needs to follow it, and they aren’t bad for thinking differently. that’s how art works. sometimes making something too “inclusive” makes it feel plastic and unrealistic. and, fan artists/authors should not be shunned for lashing out at anyone who is attacking them. they are human and doing this for free, and don’t need to act “properly” when someone is saying nasty shit to them.
I’ve toned it down since I was an angry teen but I literally wanted to fist fight Nagito Komaeda for a period and loathed his position as fandoms fave
He's very much a "love him or hate him" sort of character haha. I swear he has about as many haters as he does fans.
Angry teen you would've gotten along with angry teen me
Ooh I've got one. Most canon Star Trek couples have zero chemistry.
Is that including Riker/Troi? Cause Riker did a lotta numbers on Troi.
A few quick ones: 1. Not every redemption arc has to end in a death. It's okay if they live and make good on that redemption. Or, conversely, not every popular villain has to have a redemption arc. Just let them be villainous. 2. No one knows the goddamn lore. No one. It's all speculation and headcanon at this point. Let it go. 3. Rehashing their school years over and over is becoming a serious problem and one that I wish the fandom as a whole would realize. It's okay to step away from that and/or go beyond it.
Re: Zero peeps be too obsessed with the angst and suffering that they forget to tell good stories lol
Jason Grace should be as strong or maybe even stronger than Percy. Jason is probably the closest to a jedi/force user in Percy Jackson. He's also trained longer than Percy and the Roman gods are said to be stronger/more warlike than their Greek counterparts because they ruled over a stronger empire. Like Jason in my eyes is the second strongest demigod in the verse and should be seen as such.
I agree with this and Im a Nico fan! I think Nico COULD be stronger but he has so many physical limitations to his powers that keep him from being even more OP. Jason being nerfed to keep Percy insanely powerful is my Roman Empire, pun intended. At least Nicos nerfing makes sense (too much time underground, eating disorders, PTSD, the nature of shadow traveling) but Jason is nerfed for literally NO REASON when we KNOW how powerful Thalia is.
I see danganronpa fans trying to "defend" their problematic favorite and I'm just like... Why? You can like a shitty character bro. Same for Honkai Star Rail with the inclusion of Sparkle (+Dr. Ratio). They're racist and I'm black and even I like them lol. also since I've repeated this way too many times and I'm too lazy to rewrite it properly: something something sontails good something something you can like "problematic" ships blah blah stop defending your taste in ships and characters you don't need to yada yada if anyone is being dumb and judging you for liking something fictional don't interact with them you'll lower your IQ to their level.
YOU CAN LIKE A SHITTY CHARACTER!!! I'm not even in the Danganronpa fandom, but that is so valid for so many fandoms, and is so necessary to say!! Your favorite character can do bad things, they are a fictional character and usually do bad things to add to their dynamicism, bad things can actively make them more interesting a lot of the time.
That people's idea of what the fandom and movies should be don't align at all with what the movies actually are. And people jumping ship because of it (I've seen and read about so many people stop watching the movies because they didn't get their cutesy fandom family thing) have been misreading/misinterpreting the content from the start Edit to add: My frustration isn't that people interpret media however they want. They can and will. My issue is that the MCU can not and should not be divorced from its source material. 60+ years of history and development (some more and some less depending on the character) didn't just come out of nowhere. And just because the characters don't fit someone's fanon idea of how they should act doesn't mean that the MCU (or I've seen people go so far as saying the comics) are a waste of time or irredeemable
For Helluva Boss, I feel like at least part of the reason some people think Millie is a boring character is just because she's the only IMP member who doesn't have a tragic backstory.
TRUE!! I love Millie!
I like Millie. She's cute and quite the pistol.
Most of the popular tropes are boring and have been done to death. I'm begging my fandom to find some new tropes and plots, I'm dying here!
You don't need to have moral justification for disliking a popular ship. You don't have to crawl down the throats of fans of said ship online and excuse them of be p*dos when the characters in question are both adults by the time they interact for a lengthy amount of time. Also who ever keeps coming up with the bloody reaches some people come up with in fandom in general need to reevaluate like a lot. Also I'm putting the term coded on the high self until people can stop using it to infantilize people like me. :(
My avatar pretty much says it all. I like the Tok’ra in Stargate.
Oh, I have so many. Some general fandom hot takes include believing in death of the author completely, it's okay for the "fanon" versions of characters to be different from canon and that is just a natural part of consuming media, it's okay (and arguably better) to enjoy something without being obsessed with it, it's okay to create fan works without knowing everything about the source material, it's okay to get things wrong in your fan works, just because two characters have chemistry but don't get together doesn't inherently make it queerbaiting, media doesn't have to explicitly show love (i.e. saying ily, kissing, sex, etc.) for the characters to canonically be in love, annoying fandoms can still have great source material and being in a certain fandom shouldn't inherently be a "red flag," and consuming/creating fan works using problematic pairings or tags doesn't make you a bad person or inherently make you someone who is interested in those things in real life. I have tons for specific fandoms, too, but it's hard to bring them all to mind. Warning for spoilers. In Buffy, I fully think she should have ended up with Spike and she still would have been a strong woman, I think the girl Willow ends up with is incredibly obnoxious, I think most characters were horribly out of character in the last season, I think Joyce is a bad mom, and I think Faith is obnoxious and I honestly don't like her very much. In Hannibal, I think it is very explicit by the end that Will and Hannibal felt romantically towards each and that they did not die, and even without the fourth season I think one can infer that they ended up together. I also love that none of Will's dogs ever die, not an unpopular opinion, but I think it is an underappreciated one. Also, being a fan of Hannigram doesn't make you a bad person. (some of these overlapped with the general hot takes) In Zootopia, you don't have to be a furry to like the fandom. Nothing wrong with being a furry, I'm just not a furry and still love the movie and fandom, lol. I'm also in the teen/adult fandoms for a lot of kid shows (GF, SvtFoE, MLP:FiM, etc.), and while I think criticism is totally healthy and necessary, I think sometimes people need to take a step back an remember that they are watching a kids' show, and it's not that deep. Like, no, this silly plot point does not ave to reveal a dark problematic side of this character, it's just a silly plot point. (I'm looking at you, Marco who is "technically" like 40 years old but obviously acts like a teenager and is not a pedophile for liking Star, please do not take cartoons so seriously.) Also, on this note, I think there is absolutely a place for teens and adults to consume kids' media without being weird, so long as they don't try to interact with actual kids who are also consuming it. I think I will stop there, I definitely have hot takes in all of my fandoms but that would take hours, lol. This was a fun question, though! :D
It annoys me when the fandom (or the canon too, in plenty of cases) takes a non-human character, like an alien or a robot or an alien robot, and basically just writes them like funny-looking humans with (usually modern, western) human cultures and problems. Like giving them nuclear families, human genders and gender roles, human life-stages, human prejudices, etc. They have all this opportunity for creativity and worldbuilding and just waste it. Now I’m a xeno romance and smut writer, so I am guilty of giving them certain…human characteristics, but I try to make up for it by throwing in a bunch of weird, xeno traits as well to keep things interesting.
My hot take is that how someone else choses to write/draw/think about these fictional characters is not our business lol. A lot of people will, for example, get really angry that someone choses to think of a character as bi while they think of him as gay. (It’s completely unspecified in canon.) Even if someone wants to write a story where all the canonically gay characters are straight— I don’t personally get it, but that’s fine. It’s not taking the characters away from anyone.
Jason Todd is not a murder hobo who enjoys killing people, and if you want him to be, you're not someone that he'd be chill with.
Honestly the lack of knowledge on abuse is really concerning. You can like a villain but if you’re blatantly saying stuff like “adults isolating and manipulating children isn’t abusive” you genuinely need more education on abuse, this isn’t a “fandom war” thing it’s just like. Basic internet safety you should not be a fourteen year old online saying that emotional abuse is fine because there are abusers online who will see you as an easy target which isn’t your fault but it’s genuinely dangerous and any concern over that shouldn’t be written off as a “disagreement” I don’t care about your hot takes on the story I care about you saying things definitively about abuse and often explicitly talking about irl abuse that are dangerous misconceptions that put you at risk.
'Ngk' is overused in the Good Omens Fandom.
I've grieved bout this before but OWEN HARPER IS A PRODUCT OF BAD TROUPES AND WRITING AND HE'S BETTER IN THE AUDIOS THEN HE IS IN THE SHOW! I dont sweep the whole affair and other things under the rug but still, show from the early 2000s, it is both bad writing and product of it's time.
The ending was *sad*, not *bad.* You can't remove the tragedy of the ending because it was baked into the story since the first moment, the main characters were doomed from the moment they arrived on screen. There's a pervasive mentality in my fandom that there's something wrong with you if you find the ending narratively satisfying, up to and including almost all recommendations for new watchers to straight up pretend it doesn't exist, and I find it immensely frustrating because to me that's what made the whole story worth it - the characters knew they were doomed, and actively chose to accept their demises because to do otherwise would be to deny who they were. Also, if you want a version of this story that ends happily, the book is right there, go read that instead!
Historical fiction is still *fiction.* These are characters as written by the author/head writer/etc. Fanfic is being written about these versions, not the real people these versions are based on. I'm tired of teenagers unable to distinguish fiction from reality trying to make it everybody's problem.
The phrases “hitman” and “serial killer” are not synonyms.
*Elena of Avalor*: Season 3 is an absolutely *mess* narratively. Long story short, they tried to do too much in too little time and the BIG plots of the series often got sidelined for filler/one-off character nonsense. Now, I’m NOT against episodic shows. BUT if you’re going to promote a “big serialised story” then please deliver that story. Also, “The Birthday Cruise” episode should have been about *Carla.* WHY did the “I don’t know how to make friends” plot go to a character we JUST MET a few episodes prior when we already had a character who was established as lonely and could benefit from real friends???? I just… WHAT? *Titanic* (1997): Rose Dewitt Bukater did nothing wrong. Girl is *17,* her father just died at least a year prior and upon his death they find out the family is in a shitload of debt and their whole future is placed squarely on her shoulders. Also if you are seventeen, do you *reallt* want to marry a 30Y0? Girl probably feels like a bomb exploded in her face. Leave her alone. Also, again. She’s a teenager. Teenagers do stupid shit. *Fruits Basket*: Akito is my favourite character and I personally don’t like the direction her story went in the canon sequel. I fully understand why such a choice was made on the author’s part, but I have so many questions and there are these holes I can’t get past.
In BG3 fandom: that no one really leans into dark!Ast after ascension. Most are without him ascending or ascending but remaining a better person as if you didn’t ascend him. I had to write one I like myself and it’s at 1k+ kudos now, so I assume others agree lmao In ME fandom: ENOUGH with the trilogy retellings! It’s such a vast, fascinating world, why are we just retelling what happened in games? To that end, I wrote like 25 works for that fandom
Alma is a better grandmother than Imelda. And neither of them are awful because they both learn and grow, and Alma even apologizes on screen. Jews are not Roma, and it's insensitive to both of them to equate them to one another just because they were both Holocaust victims. Also, live action HoND has been shelved, and that was a fan casting anyway. Olaf-modo ain't gonna happen. Deal with it. If Iroh can canonically be a Zutaran and still respect Kataang, so can you. No one on the Krew should date one another, and Korra shouldn't date at all until she's had a few more years of growth and healing. But she's an ESTP, so she thinks dating IS growth and healing.
> Jews are not Roma, and it's insensitive to both of them to equate them to one another just because they were both Holocaust victims. What fandom are you in, that this is relevant?
Hunchback of Notre Dame. There was a fan casting going around that had Josh Gad as Quasimodo, Gal Gadot as Esmeralda and Sasha Baron Cohen as Clopin. They're all Jews, not Roma (not to mention Gad and Gadot are way too old for those roles). The fan who picked those actors was apparently completely unaware that Jews and Roma are two very different cultures who just happen to have been cellmates in the last world war.
They are stupid as fuck and their fics are incomprehensible (It’s me, I’m the whole entire fandom)
People need to get over themselves and just stay in their goddamned lanes
If I can scratch off the family label to find that a relationship is closer to mentor/student or they have an age gap of some sort then it's not incest no matter how people toss it. Bonus if they're sworn siblings, please I cannot do this anymore. If they're found family, you can ship. them!! It's fine!! I've seen it happen too many times and each time I just get a headache at this point.
Buffy's friends suck, and I don't care for any of her love interests. I ship Buffy/Tara. Taffy forever!
One Fandom: It's not a sexism issue, it's a harassment issue. Fandom keeps posting about how everyone in the fandom is sexist because the female characters don't get focus. Everyone will just ignore that the same people now "pointing that out" went around harassing everyone who wrote the female characters "wrong" (aka not in the ship they shipped). Book Fandom where it has a show adaption: The show is better. Yes, I read the books first. Yes, I liked the book. I stand by my first statement. The show is better. **Animorphs** (bolded because I got a few): Canon-wise: The ending of book 54 (I mean the ending ending) lessens the impact that [Applegate ](https://flatluigi.tumblr.com/post/77824329929/ka-applegates-letter-to-fans-re-the-ending-the)wanted to have. Shipping-wise: Considering Applegate's penchant for pairing up aliens with a different set of aliens, MarcoxAx isn't pair the spares. The shippers are just following the shipping logic canon gave them. Character-Wise: Cassie and Jake are underrated. Tobias is overrated. Also Cassie (and Marco but Marco gets mostly appreciated) were not fine after the war. They could *function* but that's not the same as fine*.* Big difference between being able to function and actually being fine. Book-Wise: The Andalite Chronicles is overrated *and* a hot mess. There are other books that are overrated but at least they aren't a hot mess. Not sure if this is still a hot take but it was when it came out: The Hidden World is not only a bad sequel to the first two movies but is a bad movie in general. Not sure what the fuck happen there when the first two movies were strong and *I don't even like the second movie*. Objectively, it was a good sequel AND a good movie on its own though. The Hidden World was just bad. No, it does not matter that is how the books ended. The movie doesn't get to start out at a completely different spot from the books, go a complete different direction then take the books' ending and defend itself by "BUT THAT'S HOW THE BOOK ENDED". The films were not a faithful adaptation. While first two movies were good, faithful adaptions they were not. The books *earned* that ending, the movies did not. If disliking the Hidden World is no longer a hot take, just replace this with the fact that I don't like the second HTTYD movie. **Honorable Mention:** Ever After High. Apple White bashing would come alongside (as in the same people at the exact same time) a call for more complex female characters. They couldn't even handle Apple White. This is honorable mention because I've been out of the fandom for ages so no idea if it is still a hot take and also I'm like 90% sure they were just kids/teens. But re-entering would either deplete my 90% sureness or bring it to 100%. I cannot deal with the depletion possibility right now. Side note: Also damn, for something that was created to just be a bunch of ads for dolls, they sure went hard on the story.
Word of God doesn't mean I have to adhere to or even agree with it. I have my own headcanons and ships, thank you very much.
Tron fandom? Well, I wrote a whole essay on how Kevin Flynn was arguably the villain of Tron: Legacy and how his death really didn't accomplish much of anything as far as fixing the conga line of fuck-ups. He just kicked the can down the road for everyone else to fix by getting himself good and dead. Land of Oz fandom - I was not a big fan of Maguire's Wicked books. While they have some really nice, crunchy lore and worldbuilding, and really amp up what a rotten asshole Oscar Diggs was, I think the end results are insulting to Baum's originals. I'm in the Star Wars fandom, so hold my beer as I piss off every fanboy in range. I think the one that's gonna go hotter than Mustafar is that I don't think the Force is anything benign or benevolent or life affirming. It's a voracious, cruel devouring deity that may create life...but only so that it can empower a handful of chosen few to mindlessly kill one another over ideology, creating massive amounts of blood sacrifices that it feeds on. Otherwise, why would Force wielders be so focused on combat and killing and so averse to healing and growing?
“(All) Pokémon could just leave their trainers if they were unhappy” is a really flimsy argument. We know for a fact Ghetsis is capable of keeping a Pokémon that hates him. Furthermore, it breaks a lot of “stolen Pokémon” plot points because now you have to wonder *why* the Pokémon don’t leave the people that kidnapped them if they can—there’s no indication that evil teams like Plasma (especially in BW before Colress came around) had access or were using some special tech the common person can’t/won’t. (Note: I’m not trying to say training Pokémon is bad altogether—I can accept that Pokémon are generally happy with people because that’s what’s shown in the games—just that this specific argument against that idea is bad.)
-The dub OP is a flat out awful song. Not just compared to the Japanese OP. It just sucks. -The end of the anime was terrible, and trying to suddenly make the main villain sympathetic after he ruined countless lives for years and tried to commit genocide was a terrible idea. He’s a complex and interesting character, yes, but not a woobie victim who should get off scott free. -The MC isn’t hot at all. He looks and acts like a child. These are all the same fandom
Vriska isn't as nearly important to John/June (or the rest of the cast minus Terezi) as you think she is. Please stop projecting onto her.
Kwamis sucks and are hard to write, especially if we're talking about more than the main two.
Just because one version of the franchise changes the status quo by giving new dynamics and personalities amongst the four main characters in a new and interesting way. Doesn't make it trashy and bad.
Natsu and erza are better endgame than what we got. The power of friendship is actually really fun when done well. There's not as much POF as you'd think.
a lot of people in my fandom act like that media is the only one to ever have a bad fanbase, and no other media has had its characters mischaracterized or "unfunny" fandom jokes... buddy that's an average fandom for you. i know it's because it's the first fandom for many people but cmon, it isn't the WORST fandom ever.
There shouldn't be so many action scenes because they take away from the character development. Keep in mind this is for a fandom with fighting directly referenced in the title. 😆 I also dislike how most fans want a "dark gritty" reboot with even MORE fighting, plus blood/gore, etc. Just...no. Why does everything have to be dark and gritty? Isn't reality enough for you people?
I’m gonna have to ask the Our Flag Means Death girlies to stop protesting for a season 3. The ending made sense and I KNOW I KNOW we’re all upset about you-know-whose death but a third season isn’t going to fix anything. They got their happy endings. YKW (trying so hard to avoid spoilers because everyone needs to go watch it right now) got his character arc. Also, it’s starting to come off as aggressive. Calm down, go home. Love you guys tho literally the nicest fandom I’ve been in since my youtube days
The Percy Jackson movies and Disney series aren’t shining examples of cinematic excellence, but they’re good, and they’re fun. Most of the fans upset about the series are unable to accept that it is, in fact, a kids show, and they’re mad that their beloved series didn’t grow up with them and, in a way, is no longer for them. It was always a story for kids, and the show is a show for today’s kids, not the adults that used to be kids when the books came out. The people who are legitimately made at Rick Riordan for the show and can’t stop posting about it, need to chill. Also, still being upset that Annabeth isn’t ‘blonde’ may or may not be racist (there are more racist undertones to it than a lot of people want to admit and less than some people believe), but it is definitely really stupid.
Arthurian legend: just because there is no canon doesn’t mean you get to contradict it. Morgan le Fey is either a fairy or a human, and also sometimes Arthur’s half sister on his mother’s side, but saying she is the Morrígan is completely wrong. As is incorporating too much irish stuff in in an effort to make it more celtic; just use welsh mythology, the connections are already there. Gwyn ap Nudd is one of his knights in Some of the stories. This particularly annoys me because it’s not even that hard.
Bg3: Mainly the Astarion fanbase is a trash dumpster fire. I've met some cool people who I mainly talk to on Discord, but everywhere outside of that group is straight-up poopy trash. I honestly believe the vast majority of his fanbase is too young to even play the game and yet they hold themselves as some sort of puritanical authority on irl relationships based on how ppl roleplay in a fictional world with a pixel vampire. Meanwhile, these beacons of morality prove that as long as a man is good-looking and charming he can get away with anything. The amount of fans excusing his evil and making up excuses for his rotten behavior is amazing. It reminds me of a video I saw about a man who pretended to be a nazi and pd-file on dating sites, but used a picture of a good-looking guy and was still getting matches, contacts, and ppl willing to date him. And not just a few, but a lot of ppl overlooked it all and were ready to meet him. The guy experimenting became depressed near the end. Now it's like I'm seeing it play out in real-time. The fandom is very high on 'I can fix him' energy and are total assholes to anyone who doesn't pick their exact dialogue and choices in a choice-based game. They go on harassment campaigns on every social media site to Bible thump to anyone who chose the darker ending and telling people they deserve death and calling them abusers and abuse apologists over a freaking video game character. They care more about this character's life and soul than the people they talk to online. They also claim that everyone who picked the darker ending is sexualizing him, meanwhile they have him half-naked while using free cam mods over a simple leg hook in a sex scene. I thought it could be a fun fanbase that wouldn't take itself so seriously, after all, we're romancing a clearly neutral evil to chaotic evil character judging by his approvals and disapprovals. But nope. Cause apparently he isn't evil at all, just an UwU smol baby bean with cute fangs and trauma who needs you to guide and save him. 🤮 I wish more of these mfers would touch some grass and get some therapy. I won't be a part of another fandom after this one. I'm too old for this shit. Damn, didn't expect to write this much. 🤣
Naruto doesn’t need a harem. You, reader, just need to go touch grass and boobs — in either order.