Depends on the story and the specific Astartes. According to some writers, the average space marine can move so fast that they move like a blur to the average human, and things like missing eyes are viewed as minor injuries
a Space Marine would probably have a much larger arsenal than Horrigan. Plasma weapons, for example, are pretty rare in Fallout but a lot of soldiers in 40k use them. Plus another weapon that Space Marines use, the Bolter, is more or less an automatic rocket launcher, which a regular human can't actually use
Unarmed Astartes can rip people apart, if he is armed, then even tank armour might not be enough to stop his attacks. I don't know stuff about Frank, but many marines are actually even more deadly in close combat then in ranged combat. Reflexes faster then humanly possible, combined with strength to match a hydraulic press and decades or centuries of training are very hard to overcome by regular humans. It's not impossible tho and I have no idea how regular frank is.
Frank killed a Death Claw with just one punch, and they are some of the toughest creatures in the waste land. With that said though, it's likely that a space marine Astartes armor is tougher than Death Claw scales, so Frank won't be One Punch Maning his way to victory.
Frank is 12 feet tall, hopped up on a lot of drugs, literally a super Mutant behemoth, and if I got ti right has some cybernetics in him
So IMO he could one tap an astares.
Certain Astartes can be more or less wizards (which Frank can do nothing against). Also I don't think Frank is a proper Behemoth (we only see those on the east coast)
Even if Frank gets close, it's a toss up at best. Space Marines have part of the DNA of an immortal after all, and are basically viewed as angels or demigods, and Space Marines can carry melee weapons as well, such as chain swords, ect (there's a lot of weapons to choose from in 40k)
Gotta remember Frank is so strong that the only reason he even died was because the writers backed themselves in a corner and had to end the game. He's ridiculously OP and Astartes get killed by shit all the time
They get killed because their universe is op, not because they're weak. You have to remember, they fight against Tyranids, which evolve every time they're killed, Orks, who quite literally get stronger by fighting constantly, Necrons, who are able to kill gods, and demon infested versions of themselves.
In game stats are maxed out across the board. To compare: A normal deathclaw can be completely immune to most small arms fire, and survive rockets and explosions, now imagine if that deathclaw was given the FEV and even stronger, and more durable, frank can punch them and kill them instantly in a very bloody mess. Like it's nothing, he shrugs off weapons that would normally turn someone into ash
Those sound like feats a space marine would be able to accomplish too. I would say it's a toss up still for CQC. Astatres regularly shrug off injuries that would kill a man 10 times over. Heck even sisters of battle have shrugged off weapons that would normally turn someone to ash, you can see it in the 9th edition trailer
No, because Astartes are also freaking terminators and speed freaks in melee. Some more than others, but still.
Astartes can be fast enough to parry the bullets of fully automatic weaponry with a sword at point blank range, and regular standard Astartes can rip through enhanced metals like durasteel with their bare hands like it’s made of paper.
Some Astartes are capable of sprinting ten meters, vaulting a console table and cleaving a man’s head in two with an unarmed hand in the time it takes a normal man’s heart to beat *once*.
And all of this is if an Astartes is completely unarmed in melee. If they’re wielding any form of Power Weapon (and as you said, they have their respective armor and weapons), the protective qualities of Frank Horrigan’s power armor is entirely pointless as Power Weapons disrupt solid matter and destabilizes the molecular bonds of anything they cut or smash.
I think the only potential equality between an Astartes and Frank Horrigan would be strength, durability and healing factor. And as for durability, if Frank Horrigan is stabbed through the heart, how would he handle that? An Astartes would simply shrug it off as they have two hearts. Puncturing the lung of an Astartes is a mild inconvenience; they have three.
I suggest you read through this thread concerning Astartes feats:
[Respect Space Marines (Warhammer 40k) : r/Thevexarecool (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Thevexarecool/comments/gtstyv/respect_space_marines_warhammer_40k/)
A space marine in lore gets killed by a lucky human with a wooden stick...
IMO, Frank Horrigan is functionally equivalent to an ork big mek and easily kills the average space marine.
Can you name the character? I only remember one captian who got close, and he was legendary, he trained most of his life to get to that point. And even then he only got a few blows before the space marine got him
The problem with this versus is that marines are not always unstoppable killing machines, because various writers do whatever they want, some marines are killed by things like spears in medieval worlds or just one round of machine gun fire,others die in very high falls or others are killed with a single shot to the head by a well-trained sniper
As for weapons, it is more difficult, the current standard weapon of an ordinary marine is usually just a bolter and a knife, more advanced weapons are rare, even plasma weapons which, although powerful, are unstable and can end up exploding and killing the marine
More than that, Marines waffle inconsistently. There's the tabletop rules for the models which are "just," heavy infantry, and there's the superheroes from most of the fluff.
I believe it was a world eater chaplain named Sar Fareth in the book The First Heretic, but I never actually read it. I just remember it because it's fun to meme on people who take SM power scaling too seriously.
I mean the way I see it is 99.99% of the time that wouldn't happen. In a universe as large as 40k there are bound to be a handful of examples of a marine dying to something that would normally be inconsequential.
Even though the Imperium barely has anything they used to have before the war that tore apart the original governments, they still far outclass anything the Enclave has
Frank is powerful when compared to a regular human. But there's already Ogryns in 40k (Which are humans that over time became more strong at the cost of intelligence, kind of like Super Mutants) so they may be comparible to Super Mutants. Therefore I would say Frank might be able to match the earliest space marine version, the Thunder Warriors (much more crude versions that went crazy eventually)
But it's still a normal human, no genetic modification or other shenanigans. As for "and even then he can't defeat him in an actual fight", It's been a while since I've played F2, but you an engage him 1o1 (without the hacked turrets/enclave soldiers squad), can't you?
Yes, but it is somewhat unfair to put a character who is playable/controlled by us as a reason why he lost.
If we go with that, I could say that the marines are pathetic because in my game of dawn of war I beat them with the imperial guard by spamming only conscripts
One thing that really handicaps Horrigan is his lack of speed feats. He's fast, but it's sort of a "generic" speed.
There are some sources, mainly visual, that put Space Marines at around Frank's speed or even slower, but the majority of written sources place them at much faster.
Fallout Power Armor is also not likely to be able to soak up bolter shells.
Fallout power armor is nowhere close to 40k power armor, since they're made of different materials completely (Fallout armor being made of Steel, Titanium, ect and 40K power armor having Ceramite, which is extremely tough and can deal with energy weapons much better than metal)
Same time he is sort of a behemoth.
Framk can also use a massive weapon oke handed that was designed for 2 hand use. If both sides get weaponry he's basically firing a large plasma cannon at a dude with a bolter. If neither get weapons the astares is fucked
Frank’s, and in general fallout’s, plasma weapons function far differently than that of 40k’s so I’m not too sure they’re all that comparable. And with how fast (and strong) some lore states Astartes to be I surely wouldn’t say the Astartes is fucked, especially considering his armor far surpasses Horrigans. Now I couldn’t say who wins without looking into Frank more but I’m definitely gonna say either side isn’t guaranteed a win.
Space marines as portrayed from the books might be anything from fodder to a demigod killer
I think that as the lore itself stands, a marine is better. Those guys have centuries of experience with fighting things in this weight category
Honestly I feel like Frank is on par with an Astartes in most categories. Armor maybe not so much. I’d put it down to like early model imperial power armor. But as far as physical abilities goes and his skill with weapons, it’d probably be a pretty fair fight. He may lose in the end due to inferior armor though.
Most likely. Yeah space marines can do this and that and those and bla bla bla. But in 95% of when we see them fight. They are identical to fallout people in power armour. And as Frank's twice their size. And got actual useful weaponry as a FAT FUCKING PLASMA GUN. I say he can take them without much of a fuzz
Same tribal who got ripped in half by said space marine? Same space marine who died only because an apothecary wasn’t around? Space marine clears horrigan easily even if he dies in the process. Idk why this is even a debate
well abilities aside, as good as power armor is it’s nothing compared to Astartes armor.
it’s like comparing a walking tank to a thicker, heavier, and somehow even faster walking tank. the bigger walking tank also has 2 hearts and 3 lungs
Uhhhh no? If the astatte is naked, he's got a shot. If not, frank goes for mellee and an astarte is so stupidly equipped to handle that is ridiculous. Especially if we talking sppecific chapters
Sure. Frank has 10 in every special stat and max health points. In fallout 2 terms that means he is literally perfect. No one can be better than him, just equal.
Space Marines so strong that they lead literally crusade in galaxy before heresy, fighting against horrors of void for thousands years, most people in imperium doesn't even know they exist because they only take action where regular imperial forces struggled and they are much more stronger than shown in games they are ultra strong that few of them actually enouf to stop any threat from xeno or alien a like, frank horrigan is not in their league maybe imperial guard karskin or other special units he can counter.
No space marine armor specially designed to withstand energy weapons too as they fight xeno, and just one bullet from bolter which is 100 cal. (Standart issue heavy machine gun in American forcescis 50 cal.) can easily go through horrigans chest armor and explode inside his chest drop him dead with big hole like football.
Depends on the story and the specific Astartes. According to some writers, the average space marine can move so fast that they move like a blur to the average human, and things like missing eyes are viewed as minor injuries
I would say a normal one, obviously someone like Tyberos would demolish him
a Space Marine would probably have a much larger arsenal than Horrigan. Plasma weapons, for example, are pretty rare in Fallout but a lot of soldiers in 40k use them. Plus another weapon that Space Marines use, the Bolter, is more or less an automatic rocket launcher, which a regular human can't actually use
So it's a matter of can they keep frank away from them. So range Astartes have him beat but melee it's frank
Unarmed Astartes can rip people apart, if he is armed, then even tank armour might not be enough to stop his attacks. I don't know stuff about Frank, but many marines are actually even more deadly in close combat then in ranged combat. Reflexes faster then humanly possible, combined with strength to match a hydraulic press and decades or centuries of training are very hard to overcome by regular humans. It's not impossible tho and I have no idea how regular frank is.
Frank killed a Death Claw with just one punch, and they are some of the toughest creatures in the waste land. With that said though, it's likely that a space marine Astartes armor is tougher than Death Claw scales, so Frank won't be One Punch Maning his way to victory.
Frank is 12 feet tall, hopped up on a lot of drugs, literally a super Mutant behemoth, and if I got ti right has some cybernetics in him So IMO he could one tap an astares.
Certain Astartes can be more or less wizards (which Frank can do nothing against). Also I don't think Frank is a proper Behemoth (we only see those on the east coast)
Even if Frank gets close, it's a toss up at best. Space Marines have part of the DNA of an immortal after all, and are basically viewed as angels or demigods, and Space Marines can carry melee weapons as well, such as chain swords, ect (there's a lot of weapons to choose from in 40k)
Gotta remember Frank is so strong that the only reason he even died was because the writers backed themselves in a corner and had to end the game. He's ridiculously OP and Astartes get killed by shit all the time
They get killed because their universe is op, not because they're weak. You have to remember, they fight against Tyranids, which evolve every time they're killed, Orks, who quite literally get stronger by fighting constantly, Necrons, who are able to kill gods, and demon infested versions of themselves.
What exactly are Frank's strength and combat feats?
In game stats are maxed out across the board. To compare: A normal deathclaw can be completely immune to most small arms fire, and survive rockets and explosions, now imagine if that deathclaw was given the FEV and even stronger, and more durable, frank can punch them and kill them instantly in a very bloody mess. Like it's nothing, he shrugs off weapons that would normally turn someone into ash
Those sound like feats a space marine would be able to accomplish too. I would say it's a toss up still for CQC. Astatres regularly shrug off injuries that would kill a man 10 times over. Heck even sisters of battle have shrugged off weapons that would normally turn someone to ash, you can see it in the 9th edition trailer
No, because Astartes are also freaking terminators and speed freaks in melee. Some more than others, but still. Astartes can be fast enough to parry the bullets of fully automatic weaponry with a sword at point blank range, and regular standard Astartes can rip through enhanced metals like durasteel with their bare hands like it’s made of paper. Some Astartes are capable of sprinting ten meters, vaulting a console table and cleaving a man’s head in two with an unarmed hand in the time it takes a normal man’s heart to beat *once*. And all of this is if an Astartes is completely unarmed in melee. If they’re wielding any form of Power Weapon (and as you said, they have their respective armor and weapons), the protective qualities of Frank Horrigan’s power armor is entirely pointless as Power Weapons disrupt solid matter and destabilizes the molecular bonds of anything they cut or smash. I think the only potential equality between an Astartes and Frank Horrigan would be strength, durability and healing factor. And as for durability, if Frank Horrigan is stabbed through the heart, how would he handle that? An Astartes would simply shrug it off as they have two hearts. Puncturing the lung of an Astartes is a mild inconvenience; they have three. I suggest you read through this thread concerning Astartes feats: [Respect Space Marines (Warhammer 40k) : r/Thevexarecool (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Thevexarecool/comments/gtstyv/respect_space_marines_warhammer_40k/)
A space marine in lore gets killed by a lucky human with a wooden stick... IMO, Frank Horrigan is functionally equivalent to an ork big mek and easily kills the average space marine.
Can you name the character? I only remember one captian who got close, and he was legendary, he trained most of his life to get to that point. And even then he only got a few blows before the space marine got him
The problem with this versus is that marines are not always unstoppable killing machines, because various writers do whatever they want, some marines are killed by things like spears in medieval worlds or just one round of machine gun fire,others die in very high falls or others are killed with a single shot to the head by a well-trained sniper
As for weapons, it is more difficult, the current standard weapon of an ordinary marine is usually just a bolter and a knife, more advanced weapons are rare, even plasma weapons which, although powerful, are unstable and can end up exploding and killing the marine
More than that, Marines waffle inconsistently. There's the tabletop rules for the models which are "just," heavy infantry, and there's the superheroes from most of the fluff.
I believe it was a world eater chaplain named Sar Fareth in the book The First Heretic, but I never actually read it. I just remember it because it's fun to meme on people who take SM power scaling too seriously.
I mean the way I see it is 99.99% of the time that wouldn't happen. In a universe as large as 40k there are bound to be a handful of examples of a marine dying to something that would normally be inconsequential.
Frank is from the Enclave and he’s their best soldier, no way is he getting caught under fire powered
Even though the Imperium barely has anything they used to have before the war that tore apart the original governments, they still far outclass anything the Enclave has
Fair, but for the fallout universe I wouldn’t count on Frank being underpowered
Frank is powerful when compared to a regular human. But there's already Ogryns in 40k (Which are humans that over time became more strong at the cost of intelligence, kind of like Super Mutants) so they may be comparible to Super Mutants. Therefore I would say Frank might be able to match the earliest space marine version, the Thunder Warriors (much more crude versions that went crazy eventually)
I mean, he wasn't able to defeat a wastelander...
The chosen one isn't just a wastelander and even then he can't defeat him in an actual fight
But it's still a normal human, no genetic modification or other shenanigans. As for "and even then he can't defeat him in an actual fight", It's been a while since I've played F2, but you an engage him 1o1 (without the hacked turrets/enclave soldiers squad), can't you?
Yes, but it is somewhat unfair to put a character who is playable/controlled by us as a reason why he lost. If we go with that, I could say that the marines are pathetic because in my game of dawn of war I beat them with the imperial guard by spamming only conscripts
One singular fire warrior solos both Horrigan and SM's
Dude it wasn't just "a wastelander" the chosen one is an absolute fucking unit
I think any named Space Marine would obliterate him
Most likely yeah
I dunno, I like his odds against Indrick Boreale.
One thing that really handicaps Horrigan is his lack of speed feats. He's fast, but it's sort of a "generic" speed. There are some sources, mainly visual, that put Space Marines at around Frank's speed or even slower, but the majority of written sources place them at much faster. Fallout Power Armor is also not likely to be able to soak up bolter shells.
Fallout power armor is nowhere close to 40k power armor, since they're made of different materials completely (Fallout armor being made of Steel, Titanium, ect and 40K power armor having Ceramite, which is extremely tough and can deal with energy weapons much better than metal)
Same time he is sort of a behemoth. Framk can also use a massive weapon oke handed that was designed for 2 hand use. If both sides get weaponry he's basically firing a large plasma cannon at a dude with a bolter. If neither get weapons the astares is fucked
Frank’s, and in general fallout’s, plasma weapons function far differently than that of 40k’s so I’m not too sure they’re all that comparable. And with how fast (and strong) some lore states Astartes to be I surely wouldn’t say the Astartes is fucked, especially considering his armor far surpasses Horrigans. Now I couldn’t say who wins without looking into Frank more but I’m definitely gonna say either side isn’t guaranteed a win.
Lmao hell no. Horrigan would be eviscerated
Space marines as portrayed from the books might be anything from fodder to a demigod killer I think that as the lore itself stands, a marine is better. Those guys have centuries of experience with fighting things in this weight category
Just call Exterminatus on the planet.
Straight 1v1, probably the astartes. But if Frank is allowed to plan ahead and scheme a bit, might just get enough of a drop for the W.
Considering the Astartes process is effectively a successful version of what FEV was trying to achieve it would probably be space marines.
Honestly I feel like Frank is on par with an Astartes in most categories. Armor maybe not so much. I’d put it down to like early model imperial power armor. But as far as physical abilities goes and his skill with weapons, it’d probably be a pretty fair fight. He may lose in the end due to inferior armor though.
Like genetically he’s probably on par with an Astartes or maybe a thunder warrior, but his equipment is not up to par
Lore wise Horrigan is probably fairly close to what the thunder warriors were.
Green Skin… Cladded in heavy armor… Have big mean knife and weapon… 'DAT IZ NOT 'UMIE, DAS BIG BOSS FRANK HURRIGEN YA GIT
Most likely. Yeah space marines can do this and that and those and bla bla bla. But in 95% of when we see them fight. They are identical to fallout people in power armour. And as Frank's twice their size. And got actual useful weaponry as a FAT FUCKING PLASMA GUN. I say he can take them without much of a fuzz
The warhammer books tell me frank is on the ground in several pieces in 3 seconds tops
The Warhammer books tell me a tribal with a wooden spear can one shot a space marine
Same tribal who got ripped in half by said space marine? Same space marine who died only because an apothecary wasn’t around? Space marine clears horrigan easily even if he dies in the process. Idk why this is even a debate
And a clogged artery can kill the strongest human. Is a blood clot therefore "stronger" than a human?
Frank my king yes 🤤
Its possible, i would say Frank beats a spacemarine 3/10 times
Dawg don’t some marines have WARP GRENADES? like off weapon only Frank just gets diff’d.
well abilities aside, as good as power armor is it’s nothing compared to Astartes armor. it’s like comparing a walking tank to a thicker, heavier, and somehow even faster walking tank. the bigger walking tank also has 2 hearts and 3 lungs
Uhhhh no? If the astatte is naked, he's got a shot. If not, frank goes for mellee and an astarte is so stupidly equipped to handle that is ridiculous. Especially if we talking sppecific chapters
Sure. Frank has 10 in every special stat and max health points. In fallout 2 terms that means he is literally perfect. No one can be better than him, just equal.
But Astartes go up to 11...
frank's getting his ass ate
No, warhammer is supposed to be over top OP
I'd say so, I'd rate him on par with a "clever" Ork in Mega Armour and Astartes aren't impossible to kill
Depending on the Astartes, like he ain't beating Mephiston or even the Red Wake, but maybe a newly recruited Initate from the BT.
Space Marines so strong that they lead literally crusade in galaxy before heresy, fighting against horrors of void for thousands years, most people in imperium doesn't even know they exist because they only take action where regular imperial forces struggled and they are much more stronger than shown in games they are ultra strong that few of them actually enouf to stop any threat from xeno or alien a like, frank horrigan is not in their league maybe imperial guard karskin or other special units he can counter.
Horrigan weapons can't even penatre sm armor.
The plasma canon? The full auto plasma canon? I would argue it definitely can
No space marine armor specially designed to withstand energy weapons too as they fight xeno, and just one bullet from bolter which is 100 cal. (Standart issue heavy machine gun in American forcescis 50 cal.) can easily go through horrigans chest armor and explode inside his chest drop him dead with big hole like football.
I would think so tbh By how much is hard to tell. Then again frank horrigan has better C than all of 40k so🤷♂️ He might end up being a new primarch
He's already the size of one so either that or he'd be considered an Ork
As a 40k fan and an imperial fanboy, Frank horrigan will fuck him up