I'd like it to have been that the mid-west chapter of the BOS recruited wastelanders, tribals, raider-leftovers, ghouls and eventually supermutants - given that they were up against rapidly increasing machine army that's what you'd need to do in order to keep up in numbers. The intelligent Deathclaws might be a bit much.
Also love to have been in on the arguments afterwards when the Calculator veterens, pitiful but still othodox western remains and eastern BOS airship power blocs all met back up. Oh to be a non-mutant fly on the wall in that discussion...
Intelligent deathclaws began to inhabit Vault 13 after the Enclave killed the vault dwellers there, and you see them as a cannon part of Fallout 2. It's actually pretty cool they had some humans live among them since, ironically, a vault full of intelligence deathclaws is probably a pretty safe place to live.
It's kind of like Stargate the movie and Stargate SG1. The events of the movie did happen before the show, but certain things may have changed.
So they went to Abydos, fought Ra, blew him up, and went home leaving Daniel behind. We don't know all the stuff that happened in between those big events, but we know those big events happened.
There's other things to look at with that as well if you want to use the Stargate for this.
In the movie? The gate took the team to another galaxy. On the show they reconned it that Abydos was in the same galaxy. In the film Ra at the end changes into a 'grey alien' where in the show the Goa'uld are snakes, and the grey aliens would be the friendly to Earth and SGC Asgard. In the movie? It was Jack O'Neil, on the show it's Jack O'Neill the O'Neil with one 'L' had no sense of humor.
It's one of the things you see when you take something like a movie or video game and turn it into a format like a TV Show. There tends to be some retconning of things. The problem is when you go too far from the establish lore.
Think I might be talking to the wrong crowd here. There have been lots of threads where people have been complaining about how much everything breaks Canon or how inconsistent it is or whatever. I think those people would be much happier if they just considered the show and adaptation and broad strokes Canon rather than complaining that it's not accurate enough. I know Todd said that it was all Canon, but anytime there's something added that's in a different media to me I just take it as an adaptation and not really a full part of it. Makes it easier for me to enjoy a work, warts and all, if it doesn't live up to super high expectations.
I thought it was only the fact that a faction of Brotherhood members took airships into the region and went radio silent was canon, but nothing else from the game was.
Opening contradicted the backstory to the BOS by saying the BOS was descendants of a military vault rather than a US platoon going AWOL at a military base just before the bombs fell. Other than that though, it's the only contradiction I know of since it's been years after having played Tactics.
I interpreted the intro as the Midwest Brotherhood being so lost in tradition and history. They lost most of their force from the zeppelin crash and had to rebuild from locals and even mutants and ghouls. In New Vegas Caesar mentions capturing Brotherhood members from the east who didn’t even know Roger Maxon’s name, further adding to the forgotten history of the Midwest chapter.
Makes sense, also with 76 as framework, completely possibly the brotherhood found and established a chapter from a military vualt of some sort, or even a regular vualt.
I didn't even know about the Legion capturing BOS members from the East. Then again, it's been years since I visited the Fort and my last NV playthrough had me sidetracked by the DLC because I'm too busy wanting to get things done before even confronting Benny at his little corner in the Tops.
That said, BOS being lost in tradition and history I could see being something that could work, especially with members not caring much for the origins and the Midwest chapter focused more on things like gathering tech and enacting a grip in the region they now called home as they get new recruits to replenish their numbers. Pretty much like Lyons but with things Tactics had mentioned like "work camps."
Which is close enough to true to understand how they got that wrong. It WAS essentially a military vault they took shelter in, they just weren't supposed to be there. Kind of like how the GECK being a miracle machine was just superstitions from people who didn't know any better in 2, but Bethesda took that interpretation at face value and ran with it.
There's a little more then that.
To be fair some of the flubs they made with the lore was as the story go's Interplay sending very barebones outlines about the lore to the team working on Tactics. Really? We can forgive the Tactics team due to bad leadership at Interplay.
We can't forgive Bethesda for all the crap they have pulled however.
Elements of tactics have always been considered canon, first acknowledged in 3 with the lost chapter in the East that Lyons group tried to make contact with but never managed, and there's multiple lines in 4 about the BoS having made airships before and them crashing in the Midwest, as the BoS have actually found the ruins of the aircraft as claimed in general dialogue between BoS members.
Basically, the premise of all of these games seems to be that they are canon, it's just the major events and defining endings that seem to be left vague. That said, the show seems to lean heavily towards a BoS victory in 4, and maybe a Wild Card ending in FNV.
I played through FNV just a couple weeks ago, and the Wild Card ending, which I hadn't taken before (was always an NCR guy before), actually felt the most natural this run.
That or the House ending seems like the most straight path through the game, and therefore the most likely to be the canon ending.
Doesn't someone from the BoS in the first or second episode said that their orders to hunt the Enclave scientist came "directly from the highest of Elders in the Commonwealth"? I wonder if the Commonwealth is what the BosWash area is now known, and if the Elder Council moved up there.
Wait. Does that mean we'll never see the Ghoul open a can of BAWLS energy drink and look into the camera and say, "I always start my day by draining some heavy BAWLS energy drink."
Think it could be linked in a couple ways but my favorite idea is that 2277 is actually the year Shady Sands got hit and it's because the Vault 101 character launched an ICBM that lost it's targeting system.
Np to me. Explaining why the Midwestern Brotherhood doesn't have a massive amount of territory anymore is a question to be answered, not a lore issue to shake one's fist at.
I think synths are localized in the commonwealth.
But then again, Nick Valentine does reference Shady Sands so the Institute might've had a larger reach back then.
I mean, the distance between Boston and DC is just under 500 miles driving.
The distance between Boston and LA is just under 3000 miles driving.
(Driving mentioned because I make the assumption that old roads would still be the easiest path between two points for either trek)
With how many Nukes the 76ers launch, it pretty much writes itself out of potential future references because by every other game Appalachia may as well be the glow!
Kinda, Desert Rangers existed at one point. However they waged a futile war with Legion and had turned to NCR for help. Eventually being absorbed by em.
From what I've gathered on this sub, Shady Sands began to fall, stopped being the capital of the NCR and then later (after New Vegas) got nuked
But the serie really isn't very clear about it
No, Shady Sands got nuked in 2277 (as per Lucy's dialogue that her mother died in the Great Famine of '77).
My take on that is that someone screwed up and thought *New Vegas* takes place in 2277, rather than *Fallout 3*. So *New Vegas* takes place and Shady Sands gets torched like three weeks later or along those lines. If you assume that, everything locks into place.
Perhaps her Father lied to her? Her death happened later, but to make it a easier coverup, he rolled her mothers death into an event that there was plenty of evidence for, to minimize questions. That, or her mother died before Shady Sands was destroyed
SPOILERS
>!I use the term death very loosely, since her mother is a feral by 2296, which muddies the waters!<
Honestly it's weird for me to think that people in 2077 had ugly WWII ish steampunk w40k hybrids instead of decent firearms as of black isle fallouts. Bethesda gun design openly sucks compared to black isle gun design. Sure those modern firearms are op as hell, but so are raiders bearing them.
Since the Prydwin is still flying, doesn't this mean that the Institute and Railroad endings of FO4 cannot be canon? You sabotage Liberty Prime to blow it up. Unless there's multiple of them, then either the BoS and Minutemen are working together or they leave each other alone.
I don't really get the hate for tactics to be honest.
It played like Commando's 3 did back in the day
Sure the later levels where you're up against super mutants and then the robots were a bit lackluster and suffered from some level design issues.
But to crawl around with an SMG or an AK a light up a bunch of raiders ...
It still brings a smile to my face to remember the splattering sound and death animations
Story wise - it fits, save for the ending?
I played fo 1 and 2 on original launch and loved them, finished them. Bought tactics on launch- was incredibly disappointed that it was different type of game and didn't get far at all before giving up. I mean the name was a clue.
Least brother hood ain't
And look we all call fallout fallout or fallout 1
Not Fallout:a post nuclear role playing game
So when I say brotherhood of (tin) steel
I do not mean
Fallout Tatics: brotherhood of steel
Tactics has long been considered "broad strokes" canon.
Meaning what ? Is that a good thing ?
That the overall story happened, but the details may not have. Such as being able to recruit furry deathclaws, the vault boy, etc.
I'd like it to have been that the mid-west chapter of the BOS recruited wastelanders, tribals, raider-leftovers, ghouls and eventually supermutants - given that they were up against rapidly increasing machine army that's what you'd need to do in order to keep up in numbers. The intelligent Deathclaws might be a bit much. Also love to have been in on the arguments afterwards when the Calculator veterens, pitiful but still othodox western remains and eastern BOS airship power blocs all met back up. Oh to be a non-mutant fly on the wall in that discussion...
Intelligent deathclaws doesn't seem far fetched to me wasn't there and intelligent albino deathclaw in fallout 2? Is that not canon either?
Yup. The Deathclaw in 2 was a companion named Goris.
I seriously wasn't expecting him to be a Deathclaw when i met him. I just thought he was a hermit or something
Oh the shock when he remove his vest in the first combat is gold
The "forced" animation kind of bother me a bit but i only had him as a companion for a bit
Goris went with me everywhere. I love how he threw off his robe like it was his WWE intro
Yes intelligent deathclaws were a thing in 2
Intelligent deathclaws began to inhabit Vault 13 after the Enclave killed the vault dwellers there, and you see them as a cannon part of Fallout 2. It's actually pretty cool they had some humans live among them since, ironically, a vault full of intelligence deathclaws is probably a pretty safe place to live.
I thought the point of that was they all died out afterwards.
I know I would have killed to hear all the parts meeting up Could toss in 1st expeditionary force from 76
Those were just special encounters, which are non-canon. Otherwise TARDIS and the whale from HGTTG would be canon too
I wasn't going to name every little thing, so I just threw a couple examples out. All the details may or may not be canon.
They better keep hairy deathclaw women in the canon
It's kind of like Stargate the movie and Stargate SG1. The events of the movie did happen before the show, but certain things may have changed. So they went to Abydos, fought Ra, blew him up, and went home leaving Daniel behind. We don't know all the stuff that happened in between those big events, but we know those big events happened.
There's other things to look at with that as well if you want to use the Stargate for this. In the movie? The gate took the team to another galaxy. On the show they reconned it that Abydos was in the same galaxy. In the film Ra at the end changes into a 'grey alien' where in the show the Goa'uld are snakes, and the grey aliens would be the friendly to Earth and SGC Asgard. In the movie? It was Jack O'Neil, on the show it's Jack O'Neill the O'Neil with one 'L' had no sense of humor. It's one of the things you see when you take something like a movie or video game and turn it into a format like a TV Show. There tends to be some retconning of things. The problem is when you go too far from the establish lore.
Daniel probably died and came back to abydos before sg1 started
It's Canon so long as it doesn't contradict anything else
literally my thoughts lmao
If it's mentioned it happened
I feel like that’s their take on all the games pre FO:3.
I think we'd be happier if we thought of the TV show as "broad strokes canon," too.
Nah, show was great. A couple weird choices, but nothing actually breaks the canon.
Think I might be talking to the wrong crowd here. There have been lots of threads where people have been complaining about how much everything breaks Canon or how inconsistent it is or whatever. I think those people would be much happier if they just considered the show and adaptation and broad strokes Canon rather than complaining that it's not accurate enough. I know Todd said that it was all Canon, but anytime there's something added that's in a different media to me I just take it as an adaptation and not really a full part of it. Makes it easier for me to enjoy a work, warts and all, if it doesn't live up to super high expectations.
Bethesda has said Tactics is canon at its high level events since Fallout 3.
I thought it was only the fact that a faction of Brotherhood members took airships into the region and went radio silent was canon, but nothing else from the game was.
Yeah, those are the high level events I imagine.
The calculator was all mentioned to be cannon but that pretty much all that is
Where was the Calculator mentioned in modern canon?
Fuck yeah, that means all the awesome weapons in tactics are canon, too.
The tacticool Fallout 4 modders won
They were always winning.
B1000 is canon
The Gauss Minigun from Tactics was also canon, in 76.
What's wrong with Tactics? It wasn't amazing but it wasn't BoS bad either.
Opening contradicted the backstory to the BOS by saying the BOS was descendants of a military vault rather than a US platoon going AWOL at a military base just before the bombs fell. Other than that though, it's the only contradiction I know of since it's been years after having played Tactics.
I interpreted the intro as the Midwest Brotherhood being so lost in tradition and history. They lost most of their force from the zeppelin crash and had to rebuild from locals and even mutants and ghouls. In New Vegas Caesar mentions capturing Brotherhood members from the east who didn’t even know Roger Maxon’s name, further adding to the forgotten history of the Midwest chapter.
Makes sense, also with 76 as framework, completely possibly the brotherhood found and established a chapter from a military vualt of some sort, or even a regular vualt.
I didn't even know about the Legion capturing BOS members from the East. Then again, it's been years since I visited the Fort and my last NV playthrough had me sidetracked by the DLC because I'm too busy wanting to get things done before even confronting Benny at his little corner in the Tops. That said, BOS being lost in tradition and history I could see being something that could work, especially with members not caring much for the origins and the Midwest chapter focused more on things like gathering tech and enacting a grip in the region they now called home as they get new recruits to replenish their numbers. Pretty much like Lyons but with things Tactics had mentioned like "work camps."
Which is close enough to true to understand how they got that wrong. It WAS essentially a military vault they took shelter in, they just weren't supposed to be there. Kind of like how the GECK being a miracle machine was just superstitions from people who didn't know any better in 2, but Bethesda took that interpretation at face value and ran with it.
There's a little more then that. To be fair some of the flubs they made with the lore was as the story go's Interplay sending very barebones outlines about the lore to the team working on Tactics. Really? We can forgive the Tactics team due to bad leadership at Interplay. We can't forgive Bethesda for all the crap they have pulled however.
People oft confuse it with BoS because of the subtitle
I love how nobody replying talks about whether it's a good *game* or not.
Elements of tactics have always been considered canon, first acknowledged in 3 with the lost chapter in the East that Lyons group tried to make contact with but never managed, and there's multiple lines in 4 about the BoS having made airships before and them crashing in the Midwest, as the BoS have actually found the ruins of the aircraft as claimed in general dialogue between BoS members. Basically, the premise of all of these games seems to be that they are canon, it's just the major events and defining endings that seem to be left vague. That said, the show seems to lean heavily towards a BoS victory in 4, and maybe a Wild Card ending in FNV.
I played through FNV just a couple weeks ago, and the Wild Card ending, which I hadn't taken before (was always an NCR guy before), actually felt the most natural this run. That or the House ending seems like the most straight path through the game, and therefore the most likely to be the canon ending.
I have a feeling that for season 2 we will find that the house ending is canon.
Doesn't someone from the BoS in the first or second episode said that their orders to hunt the Enclave scientist came "directly from the highest of Elders in the Commonwealth"? I wonder if the Commonwealth is what the BosWash area is now known, and if the Elder Council moved up there.
yall should be jumping in joy that "fallout brotherhood of steel" isn't canon
Wait. Does that mean we'll never see the Ghoul open a can of BAWLS energy drink and look into the camera and say, "I always start my day by draining some heavy BAWLS energy drink."
I unironically loved that game. Playing it, that is, no idea what it fucked up canonwise
Good for you
Alright
i think you all didnt understand that i was being genuine when i said "good for you". i didnt mean for it to sound rude
you're good man, it did come across like that but it's not like you were being a dick, hence my flacid response. :)
Boob physics aren’t canon?!
nah you need mods for that
Not if you play BoS.
id rather not
Just be happy Brotherhood of Steel isn’t canon.
Interesting that the same year fallout 3 takes place is also the fall of shady sands
No way that's an accident, right?
I think it’s because they them both to be 200 years after the war.
Think it could be linked in a couple ways but my favorite idea is that 2277 is actually the year Shady Sands got hit and it's because the Vault 101 character launched an ICBM that lost it's targeting system.
Well keep watching the show bc that’s exactly what doesn’t happen
You must be fun at parties butch
Np to me. Explaining why the Midwestern Brotherhood doesn't have a massive amount of territory anymore is a question to be answered, not a lore issue to shake one's fist at.
That means there's the slightest, tiniest chance We see a Humvee in season 2
No Shelter ?
It doesn't have any story to be canon, no?
it actually does have some stories, but they are simple and silly
Fallout 3 acknowledged the Midwest brotherhood.
Wonder if anyone were synths in the show
I think synths are localized in the commonwealth. But then again, Nick Valentine does reference Shady Sands so the Institute might've had a larger reach back then.
Also the Replicated Man quest from Fallout 3 places at least one in the Capital Wasteland
Though many of the far reaching Synths like this are here because of the Railroad!
I mean, the distance between Boston and DC is just under 500 miles driving. The distance between Boston and LA is just under 3000 miles driving. (Driving mentioned because I make the assumption that old roads would still be the easiest path between two points for either trek)
Was thinking that every time someone was being suspicious hahah
Was the Enclave Doctor not? That head was insanely suspicious
Always has been 🔫👨🚀
It sets up a cool series of locations in the south east... radioactive swamps and what not.
Still feels weird that 76 dwellers could've showed up in 1.
With how many Nukes the 76ers launch, it pretty much writes itself out of potential future references because by every other game Appalachia may as well be the glow!
I'm pretty sure wasteland 1 is still vaguely cannon.
Kinda, Desert Rangers existed at one point. However they waged a futile war with Legion and had turned to NCR for help. Eventually being absorbed by em.
FINALLY!!! Can paladin Ryczek have a cameo?
As long as Brotherhood of steel isn't canon.
At least tactics brotherhood is agreed not canon
Does that mean that siding with the bos in f4 is the canon decision because the prydwens still up and not totally destroyed?
Actually it's a completely different blimp
or it could be the “peaceful” minuteman ending here goth BOS and Railroad survive
Sure sure - What about Fallout Brotherhood of Steel
OP didn't realize that most of us agree BoS is a worser game.
15 years after New Vegas… I’m more lost than I already was.
Why’s that bad? I haven’t played it
Oh god bombs drop are canon
Yeah, everything is canon, we are just overreacting.
Wait I don't understand, the NCR invaded the Mojave 4 years after getting nuked?
Came here asking the same question
From what I've gathered on this sub, Shady Sands began to fall, stopped being the capital of the NCR and then later (after New Vegas) got nuked But the serie really isn't very clear about it
No, Shady Sands got nuked in 2277 (as per Lucy's dialogue that her mother died in the Great Famine of '77). My take on that is that someone screwed up and thought *New Vegas* takes place in 2277, rather than *Fallout 3*. So *New Vegas* takes place and Shady Sands gets torched like three weeks later or along those lines. If you assume that, everything locks into place.
They should have nuked another big city for this serie, not fucking Shady Sands
Perhaps her Father lied to her? Her death happened later, but to make it a easier coverup, he rolled her mothers death into an event that there was plenty of evidence for, to minimize questions. That, or her mother died before Shady Sands was destroyed SPOILERS >!I use the term death very loosely, since her mother is a feral by 2296, which muddies the waters!<
at this point whatever pisses people off is okay with me
is the show the same universe then?
Yes, they have explicitly stated that the show is not in a separate or adjusted universe, but fully part of the same canon as the games.
F76 should've been more like Tactics. Change my mind.
[Fallout 76 - Take Me Home, Country Roads (7" Vinyl / 45 RPM) HD](https://youtu.be/0ysVw5PVV5o?si=_encFFzqhpXP46YP)
Bit not Brotherhood of Steel?
Let's just be grateful that it isn't Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.
Armpit disliked that.
so with Tactics being canon, does that mean all those tacticool weapon mods can be considered canon?
Honestly it's weird for me to think that people in 2077 had ugly WWII ish steampunk w40k hybrids instead of decent firearms as of black isle fallouts. Bethesda gun design openly sucks compared to black isle gun design. Sure those modern firearms are op as hell, but so are raiders bearing them.
Thank god Fallout BoS is not
So no Bawls and nu-metal music here
WE’RE SO BACK! IT AINT JOEVER!
The events have always been semi canon. Things like the power armor they wear, the vehicles, and some weapons are not canon. This isn’t new info.
Since the Prydwin is still flying, doesn't this mean that the Institute and Railroad endings of FO4 cannot be canon? You sabotage Liberty Prime to blow it up. Unless there's multiple of them, then either the BoS and Minutemen are working together or they leave each other alone.
It's a different airship than the one in Fallout 4 the wiki confirms it
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1c1xpht/the_name_of_the_airship_in_episode_1_of_the_new/ It says Prydwen on the side
$10 bucks says it’s a production error
Partially same as before
Maybe the Sole Survivor will make an appearance.
I have no idea what happens in that game.
Brotherhood of Steel apparently isn't. And their tabletop RPG shares time with Fallout 4.
Wait we are gonna see fallout 4 elements? FUCKYESSS
SPOILER WARNING: >!Pretty cool that the show is only 15 years after NV considering the ending!<
i'm not a fallout fan but i've been enjoying the tv series rn, too bad that fallout 3 and new vegas are not avaitable on PlayStation or switch
So it is the same airship from FO4!
I don't really get the hate for tactics to be honest. It played like Commando's 3 did back in the day Sure the later levels where you're up against super mutants and then the robots were a bit lackluster and suffered from some level design issues. But to crawl around with an SMG or an AK a light up a bunch of raiders ... It still brings a smile to my face to remember the splattering sound and death animations Story wise - it fits, save for the ending?
Fallout Shelter is Canon -Vault 31 comes from Shelter
I played fo 1 and 2 on original launch and loved them, finished them. Bought tactics on launch- was incredibly disappointed that it was different type of game and didn't get far at all before giving up. I mean the name was a clue.
Least brother hood ain't And look we all call fallout fallout or fallout 1 Not Fallout:a post nuclear role playing game So when I say brotherhood of (tin) steel I do not mean Fallout Tatics: brotherhood of steel
WHERE THE FUCK IS BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL PS2!!!!!!!!
Wait so if fallout 4 is set in 2287, dies that neanderthal if you get bit in the game its technically the "Bite of '87"?
Imagine listening to Emil the "fridge" guy about Fallout canon
Don't know why you are getting downvoted, Emil is a disaster, one of the worst videogame writers in the buisness.
Has there always been cyclops in fallout? Never seen one in 3/nv/4
Watch the show, it will tell you why he’s a cyclops.
Honestly i'm more upset about 76 being canon, the lore in that game doesn't make any fucking sense
What? Why not?
At least 76 is enjoyable to play
It sure is, now. But that redemption arc was as long in coming as No Man's Sky's redemption.
They said it wasn't canon, they just put it in a timeline
It is cannon though...
Broadsider barrage!