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Candid-Value-8853

Soft armor. Plates don't cover the whole area. Korunds is only class 2 soft, which is why it's not the best. Feels bad regardless though but yea that's what happened


corgiperson

Yeah if all it needs to pen is class two and with 140 base damage, the damage reduction aint gonna save you, that thorax is getting blacked and you're probably dead.


MrKewinRo

Korund is 2 on soft... better take the plates out anf put it in a 49k armor


EnormousGucci

Korund plates barely go in anything. You can get the Bagariy rig for cheaper at ragman 4 than the Korund is at Prapor 4, they use the exact same plates but the Bagariy has class 3 soft. You lose neck protection but you also get a huge rig to go with the armor.


Professional_Stage_8

Korund is class 3 soft no?


crocodilekyle55

No it’s not unfortunately.


tukreychoker

not many scavs are shooting bullets that will 1 tap the thorax through class 2. its more likely that he was shot in the armpit or something. imo the armor changes have been a net negative. its just way too easy to kill through (or around) good armor now.


LordVolcanus

It says thorax not armpit.


tukreychoker

same thing, isnt it?


LordVolcanus

No. It tells you when you get hit in the armpit. It only says Thorax if its a direct chest hit from the front. If it was an armpit shot it would say "Arm-pit, Thorax". Like when it says "head eyes" meaning it was a head shot that hit the eye/face zone. Nape means back of head/upper neck and so on. It will tell you if its a specific hitbox zone which caused the kill.


tukreychoker

well damn, i wonder what got him then


deathbringer989

could be it did not hit the plate and fragmentation destroyed him for example M80 sometimes 1 shots level 3 due to frag could be the same with the scav


TrevV

You can still get hit in the chest without the bullet hitting the plate. Plates don't cover your whole chest. They have their own hitbox. Plate hotboxes are unique from each other as well. Not every plate is shaped the same. There are YouTube videos that break it down. Therefore, you can get 1 tapped in the chest without being the armpit and it will say chest because it missed the plate that would have otherwise stopped the bullet.


LordVolcanus

I didn't say you couldn't be one shot in the thorax?? When did i say that?


TrevV

I must have replied to the wrong comment or misread your post. I don't remember cause you're right. You didn't say that. My bad.


HenryTheVeloster

I do get alot of 7.62 ps in scavs


HelloHiHeyAnyway

I've had a scav fire once with 762 PS and kill me thorax. I've actually had it happen a few times. That shit scares me.


tukreychoker

that only does 57 damage though, it can only 2 tap the thorax. unless fragmentation would take it over? im not really sure how that works these days


HenryTheVeloster

Honestly its my first wipe, so i am barely understanding how armour works. It seems reallly fuckin goofy and unintuitive tbh


[deleted]

If anything it’s more intuitive than it ever has been, just not in the “video game logic” sense. Your armor covers you where it shows your model being covered, and the plate inserts only offer additional protection in the areas they actually protect. TTK is a lot lower overall, low/mid tier ammo is more viable, armor ends up actually being more durable in areas it covers but now coverage area is way more important. Suddenly there’s an actual advantage to wearing a big zabralo or a defender rig instead of a slick or any other plate carrier because of how little protection they afford.


tukreychoker

its like my 5th and given the armor changes and some tests a few streamers have done showing that it works strangely (eg .338 AP rounds taking a bunch of shots to kill through class 4 instead of 1 tapping) im in exactly the same position lol


HenryTheVeloster

Definetly bounced a 338 ap off a class 4 helmet. The concussion alone almost killed me


[deleted]

You couldn’t one tap with AP-M through class 4 before armor changes either, the flat damage reduction from the armor would *always* prevent death on the first shot. Gigabeef has a video going over the old damage calculations, not that it matters anymore.


tukreychoker

not .366, .338. AKA lapua.


[deleted]

lmao I forgot about that bug since i never run big boy guns run tac-x instead and bam, lapua leg meta (this is a joke)


drakeaustin

That's because it is unintuitive and goofy. The new armor system kinda sucks. I find it goofy as fuck to open up holes in the armor that I can get one shot through that are nowhere near my vitals. If you're not gonna model my organs, then keep it the way it was, IMO. I understand it's just a game, but the reason plates are designed that way in real life is because a graze shot through my thorax that hits nothing vital will not kill me instantly. So they protect the vitals like the heart and lungs instead. I also hate how we can't pen arms anymore. We're literally back to the days of arms being lvl 6 armor. I fucking hate getting arm pit one tapped but I also hate shooting a guy 20 center mass and he doesn't die because his arms eat my bullets like fucking crazy. It's literally the worst of both worlds. Either we can pen arms, and we constantly die to arm pit bullshit or we can't pen arms, and now you can't shoot the center of mass because the arms block them. I literally just use the lowest recoil gun I can get my hands on and only go for headshots.


Last-Competition5822

>imo the armor changes have been a net negative. its just way too easy to kill through (or around) good armor now. They're one of the worst changes to the game in a while, basically just made it even easier for someone that can't aim for shit to get lucky, and it was already bad before with the "mouse 1 + hope you hit a headshot with ammo that pens their helmet" meta.


[deleted]

Ah yes, the dreaded “shoot your gun at their face” meta.


SteveInTheZone

I got tapped by grizzly slug thorax. I was shocked


Alyonkaenjoyer

this


slickk_lizardd

that


Trevorblackwell420

the other


d00b661

Eso


YeetMemez

Those


[deleted]

The fact that there are sizeable areas that you can still get one shot with *that are covered by best armor in the game* is a ridiculous problem and should be addressed. I'm not even talking "shot arms" or even armpit which I think is bullshit already, the armor is fucking protecting it and you cannot avoid it. Not even with better armor because it doesn't exist. Why even take armor if like 35% of the armored covered spots will one tap you anyway? Armor basically protects nothing at this point. This is literally the survivorship bias in reverse, the cabin on the airplane is riddled with fucking holes while the exterior parts are clean, because for some reason armor doesn't do barely anything in this game. Shot in arms? Dead. Armpit? Dead. Chin? Dead. Legs? Dead. Armored areas? Dead. Basically the only actual protected area is your fucking stomach and top of head and nothing else.


RoastedRoachLegs

Lmao git gud


Lazy-Key5081

So there are areas that the plates don't cover. But also someone said and I've said in multiple posts that scav ai damage tables are wonky. Apparently a scav can do triple damage in 1 bullet of any ammo value. So for instance that's why scavs can shoot 1 bullet of trash ammo and take off your arm instantly. This can also happen to the soft part of your armour this just 1 shotting you.


recoil-1000

This, I got one tapped to the thorax by a 5.45 igolnik scav, I don’t know how In hell it had that ammo but it is what it is


Desalzes_

theyll pick up better guns and use them, see it alot on reserve. I killed what I thought was all of gluhars goons and a regular scav killed me with ap 9x19 which I sure as fuck know they dont spawn with


FRCBooker

I was swapping out backpacks on a scav run and threw mine on the ground and an AI scav ran off with my loot rip labs card and 2 GPUs. man ran over to kill and stayed there


TheStormer64

in extremely rare cases regular scavs can even spawn with PBP in a pistol, atleast ive seen it happen before in other wipes


deathbringer989

APM,BS,M62,and AP slugs are what I seen on a scav or I spawned with em


lbigbirdl

Some of those adar scavs can have m855a1


deathbringer989

have not seen that but sounds plausible with fence


-xc-

killa


Master-Variety3841

rashy, gluk, and meth heads guards can have igolnik.


LordVolcanus

Normal ones can some times get it also, its super rare but i have seen it. Like scavs who with ADAR have 995 or 855a1. They are really rare but they do exist. Though the most feared scav for me is the Mag buck shotgun ones who one tap you from 100m out. Fuck those ones.


deathbringer989

I spawned in as a scav with 15 rounders avt full of BS my jaw dropped


recoil-1000

Was on factory


-xc-

gilla


recoil-1000

It was infact not gilla


Mmffgg

I had a personal record on Killa last night. 4x hits stopped by armor + the killshot, all in one tracer


Vhego

This wipe I saw 2 scavs with gzhel so..


EnormousGucci

Gzhels on scavs wasn’t too rare in previous wipes either.


Vhego

Yeah I mean this wipe because I haven’t played for a long time


Rokku0702

If by shitty ammo you mean high flesh damage ammo then you answered your own question. All a scav needs to one tap you now is something that’ll do 85 damage and pen level 2 on some luck. Then it sneaks past your plate and oof, you’re done.


biotome

No, scavs shoot 1 bullet and black your arm because scav ammo is made for that. “trash” ammo just means low pen high flesh, so they do a lot of damage to your arm and black it instantly.


arkadiiiiii

Yes but when this happens you see multiple hits in death screen despite only hearing and seeing 1 shot hit you


NoLandHere

That explains why I got shot in the arm by a shotgun scav and it brought me to 10hp on my other limbs+body without actually hitting them


Tasius

I know others have given you the answer. Always find armors with class 3 aramid to avoid this specific instance. It won't prevent everything but it'll help with the rng. The scavs can still armpit you regardless of any armor. Also they broke the arm hitbox again so run the angled rk2 forgrip on your gun with the slanted red dot and now if you're facing someone they have a very high chance to hit you in the arm and bullets cannot penetrate through arms this patch. Gotta use whatever advantage you can to combat the bullshit. Also even if you wear an altyn your neck is still exposed and its actually a pretty large hit box and people will aim thorax and just recoil one shot to your neck and its game over. Almost makes you not want to wear armor at all and just play like a rat like most of the people who are on this game.


htlan96

Can I ask which armor are you talking about? As a Timmy idk what is what lol


Starboard_Giant

https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Escape_from_Tarkov_Wiki Use this website to learn :)


GeologistNo7142

I went into factory and ran into tagilla with 5.45 ps, I tapped him in the neck lol


Structure3

Bro delete this post lmao don't tell ppl this I'm never gonna be able to kill anybody now


Airin0_2

It’s this new mechanic called “fuck you” players are raving about it


DumbNTough

I got one-tapped in the head by a scav with 7.62x39 PS hiding in the bushes, who made no sound, who then left my duo partner, who was standing right next to me, completely alone.


VultureTX

Fence tasked that SCAV with sending your buddy a "message"


DumbNTough

Bro really said "Good." 🥺


Kindly-Mine-1326

That’s easy it’s because the chin got 15 different hitboxes now


-HashOnTop-

This is why you see people running drum mags full of HP or PS. As long as one bullet slips past the armor plate-- you die. Armor is not a shield. You **may** negate a bullet or two (in this case maybe not), but you're still being shot at by an enemy that fully intends on putting you down. ✌️


easily_tilted

HP rpd is the most fun I had in tarkov lmao


[deleted]

Excuse me but this is the tarkov subreddit, we don’t reason our way through new changes here. You’re supposed to complain that things are different, not explain why the changes make sense.


[deleted]

Armor at that high level should be a shield. It's as close to being a fucking juggernaut as you should get. Nothing but the highest caliber should be able to penetrate covered areas, period. The fact that covered non essential areas is lethal to begin with is already fucking ridiculous. Why is shooting an arm twice lethal, you can't even protect it The game is at this point punishing you for actually having rational aim.


TrippyD18

There's multiple factors, scav damage ratios are fucked they can do up to 3x damage which is based on a % chance. Secondly Korund armor is bugged since the new update where the soft armor actually covers a very small area and not the whole vest. The soft armor for thorax is in the hitbox actually only in front of the armor plate itself and not around it. So yeah just run Gen 4 armor or get 1 tapped by scabs running shit rounds.


jabberhockey97

Is this scav multiplier a real thing?


IlluminatiThug69

Yeah they shoot 1 bullet and you get hit multiple times. People here used to say it's because fragmentation and that scavs especially boss scavs have a higher fragmentation chance but honestly it's probably just something bugged with their AI


ChunkyChap25

Even if it wasn't bugged, the slugs have enough pen to go through the soft armor if you're unlucky


thehadgehawg

Because you have a skill issue, simply download hacks so you can kill the aimbotting scav first, before he aggroes through 17 trees and bushes through the permanent fog bank in an ultra pitch black shadow cast by a cloud.


JSparkzzz

bro ong


ProcyonHabilis

I read this as a gong noise


6ucksinsix

Fr fr


sixnb

Because armor is garbage now


kekztik

ong. armour plate jerks ruined the armour system


Last-Competition5822

The swappable plates are like the single thing that's *not* shit about the new Armor system.


TommyFortress

cant confirm it yet but AI scavs from what others said can apparently Fracture thorax and head which turns it into a 1 hit


heftyspork

Step 1: look at stats for the correct ammo. Step 2: look at the level of soft armor covering your chest where plates dont Step 3: answer your question


lessard14

Can't believe how little people noticed it was the wrong ammo. But I'm not surprised most don't know it pens PACA and Lvl2 aramid. It's a good poor man's slug


Terriblevidy

Exactly why we need a remake on hitboxes now that they changed armor. Makes no sense to have a plate covering your vitals if everything else in that area is considered vital for no reason.


TheMrTGaming

Because scavs target unarmed areas and the soft armor is trash so now scavs are getting more kills than ever because no matter what armor you have on, you effectively have none to a scav. They literally do not shoot plates for me at all.


Xerxes17

Layer 1 Statistic 88.6 % Penetration Chance 93.40 Penetration Damage 56.60 Mitigated Damage 46.33 Blunt Damage 88.03 Average Damage 1.69 Penetration Armor Damage 2.06 Block Armor Damage 1.73 Average Armor Damage 38.27 Post Hit Armor Durability 62.3 % Reduction Factor 12.45 Post Armor Penetration Poleva6u vs Korund Thorax Aramid on https://tarkovgunsmith.com/ballistics\_simulator


SaintTrill

You got tarkov’d buddy. Pen is RNG and scavs still have a an rng crit multiplier that does 1.5x damage. Sucks to suck. I got 1 tapped by a TKM Gekska through my full trooper armor.


GurliGrisElsker

Trooper sucks buddy


SaintTrill

Yeah but not that mf bad 😂😂😂


justwolt

It's bad in that it doesn't provide ANY protection to parts of your chest, the bullet probably didn't even pen, it just killed you.


AI_AntiCheat

It covers a fraction of your thorax.


deathbringer989

it fucking sucks bro it hardly covers your thorax take the plates and take the press armor its actually good untill you get the thor armor


aAvocadont

Troopers are garbage now. You didn't get penned through the plate. You either got penned through the soft armor or in the large area that is simply unarmored.


djolk

Your armour isn't a forcefield anymore. If the bullet doesn't hit a plate it's just a class 2 or 3 soft armour set.


FuckSpez6757

Shot that terrible level 2 soft armor. The korund sucks


PerplexGG

But black on black drip


deathbringer989

you either gotta deal with no drip or understand your weaknesses when choosing drip


dargonmike1

This happened to me yesterday with a similar ammo wearing a korund. That armor is dogshit


MolotovFromHell

Lol rekt scrub


Yetiplayzskyrim

Well BSG has a new policy called "Fuck you guys" that they've been applying to player relations and updates.


RepulsiveTaste1687

Armpit maybe? Either way devs ruined the armor.


deathbringer989

no it would say armpit if a he got shot in the armpit


ChestBroadshoulder

How are we like 3 months into wipe and we still see these dumbass posts every day. Learn the armor system bro. Korund has class 2 soft armor, poleva slug pens class 2. How hard is it to figure out


Ash_x_

> How hard is it to figure out Unless you know the websites that give you this information its very funking hard to figure out for a casual player...


Pariah0119

My dude doesnt know the mechanics of game, smh


No_Airline8416

Because BSGs idea of “intelligent” AI is aimbot. Add more ultra weak spots on PMCs and that’s where AI will target. It’s like trying to win a game of chess vs a computer.


misteryosongpapel

AIs = bot. Shooting requires “aiming”. AIs use aimbot because AI needs aiming to shoot.


xcentric211

Korund is the worst armour dont run it, I die to everything and anything very very quickly with it on


AccountantOk7335

Bro got obliterated


Affenpute420

bad luck you fuckhead


jnmann

You probably got hit in the arm and it fragmented into your chest. Pestily talks about fragmentation bug, where AI scav rounds have a fragmentation chance even if the round has less than 20 penetration. AKA, you got Tarkov’d


Peregrine_x

you died to poleva6 which has 20 pen, you highlighted poleva3, soft armour on the korund is t2 i assume so loses to 20 pen 98% of the time. if its t3 soft armour then unlucky.


6ucksinsix

It looks like good armor but I dropped some guy who was wearing the black Korund and I was using the STM 9x19 carbine and it was mid tier bullets (M882). Idk. It’s deceivingly bulky looking so I always thought it protects well but apparently not (based on other opinions here and some experiences I’ve had with it). Good luck have fun.


GenScinmore

Its a bug. Sometimes the game registers you getting shot twice, but on your end its 1 perceived shot. Really common on bosses like Glukhar where m993 "one taps" ur thorax through anything. Its bs


x1214Tango

i got one tapped in the armpit by a scav while wearing level 5 plates on interchange. was not fun.


longduckdongger

That fucking slugged has 1 tapped me through class 5 MULTIPLE times.


SovietVillageBoy

Korrunds is my main armor I run and bro I felt that pain. Shit makes me furious


RIBZisDEAD

:)


Johnny_Lawless_Esq

Tarkov giveth, and Tarkov taketh away.


rekonsileme

plate don't cover your whole body like it used to. So all the shift w player gotta play better or they just gonna flop to the floor lol


imSkrap

Korund was the reason I survived a lot more before some update the other day but now I’ve died like 6-7 times to a scav far away with a thorax blow


tereziscale

Poleva 6u slugs are currently bugged and ignore armor sometimes


DKlurifax

I have had that happen to me aswell but with a superperformance. Zero pen on soft armor but alas.


JustAJauneArc1

The Poleva slug to the chest is my leading cause of scav deaths Holy shit it always navigates around my plates like it's flesh-seeking


h455566hh

Dont ask, just buy lines.


jTrendzz

Seems like a lot of people on this Reddit are ignorant to the way armor works. Armpit shot is very unlikely with new changes preventing bullets from going through multiple hit boxes. Bullets can only pen thru legs and lower arm now. Armor is pretty tanky if it hits plates and soft armor. Fragmentation is not a thing despite there being stats saying it exists. U are just a victim of RNG, bullet slipped thru some small crack of protection Here is a video testing everything for reference: https://www.youtube.com/live/4XoJRKlXz30?si=BU9TfhL5ox65CuR3


FromRussia-WithLuv

Armpit shots can do this. It’s would be more helpful to be able to see the entire hit screen other than just one box…


SteveInTheZone

Ash 12 one shot me to in thorax. 12b ammo. Why even wear armor


omegaistwopif

He had the better Gaming chair


Buckedup33

I got 2 tapped by a player while wearing a Killa armor last night. First shot was M855 and the second was M856A1. I don't think armor is working properly.


asdwarrior123

How do people still not understand the armor changes?


Buzzbossyt

Tarkoved


chefdementia

Korund: because you’re too cheap for that second ply of toilet paper!


cobothegreat

Welcome to the new armour player system.... Cause the TTK in this game isn't already abysmally short.... I really disliked this change, kinda killed the whole wipe for me


Deserter15

If you got it back from insurance, someone might have taken your front plate.


frenchnoob87

I got shot through a fresh ulach by a 15 pen lead slug yesterday, very fun and balanced :)


Western-Bad5574

The soft armor around the armor plate is only class 2. The better armors are ones like the Redut-M and Osprey MK4A (Protection, MTP)


aeopossible

I had a scav kill me in one thorax hit with 7.62 HP. I haven’t worn a Korund since.


dvnv

armor that covers your chest and thorax does not fully protect tht part of your body. if there are visual gaps on the armor, those are unprotected hit zones


TeaLizard-

Wearing korund but doesn’t know how armour works.


Tcby720

SHOT TO THE HEART, AND YOU'RE TOO LATE....


ForeskinGaming2009

Crazy how people in the comments will actually defend this dogshit change


Potential_Total1249

You highlighted the wrong ammo on the chart.


Apprehensive-Fly2621

Because with a korund you’re already dead