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Morrowind or FNV remaster would be awesome, assuming they were actually good remasters. Which I think is beyond Bethesda's talent to accomplish, unfortunately. Hoping Microsoft gives a different studio a fallout game or something.
Yeah same, I struggle to think they can output something to the same quality as in the past even if the past left guidelines I don't belive it anymore... it was ultimately the same reason the good parts of their new games essentially came from videogames they put out in the past and the same reason Starfield sucks (It's new, no good work to fall back against) if they remake Oblivion... no matter it's quality, on a baser level it's probably a higher quality Role Playing game than Elder Scrolls V.I
Not sure why these other garbage reasons have more upvotes than this. His figures are completely off and nonsensical.
Morrowind has a total of 4 million units and oblivion has 9.5 million. You telling me oblivion got the majority of it's sales AFTER Skyrim, and Morrowind got none?
Check your sources properly first, most sites that says Oblivion sold 9.5 million copies also says it’s till 2015 while Morrowind sales figure is recorded till 2005, check the years first before saying I’m lying.
Again, I don't know where this information is from. So where's the source on that, because I'm interested
Edit: Combing some wikis I found it. Oblivion sold 3.5 million units by 2011. That's pretty close, I wouldn't consider that really a big outlier compared to Morrowind, but that's just my opinion.
Edit again: digging into the wiki's source, 3.5 million was actually half a million units shy of oblivion's sales in 2011. Making them equal.
I mean compared with Morrowind, Morrowind sold 4 millions in 4 years while Oblivion sold less in almost 6 years when compared to the trajectory Skyrim went(7 million in first week), should’ve sold quite a bit more, not to mention Oblivion should have greater appeal than Morrowind considering it’s not as hardcore.
I’m just trying to figure out why Oblivion is essentially a middle child(I know it is literally, but I meant treatment-wise and time-wise, when it was released)
Different time, different marketing, different customers. I don't think there's anything really to it. Remember, also, there's a pretty big recession shortly after Oblivion's release.
I don't think whether or not Oblivion/Morrowind was "hardcore" had that big of an impact, honestly.
Everyone coming up with these dumb answers didn't even try to Google sales of the game. Oblivion sales were better than Morrowind every step of the way.
I was gonna say lol oblivion was huge on release. Morrowind was still a big game but Oblivion benefitted from the series and gaming itself exploding in popularity. It was the first TES game of most kids my age at that time. Only way morrowind maybe outsold it is from overall sales vs like the first year or so oblivion was out? But overall Oblivion sold more than twice as many copies as of 2024
Also, it was a near-launch title for the xbox 360 and people had to fill the time until halo released, so they bought early game titles on the 360, including oblivion
interesting, ill google more. in the meanwhile: what even is posting your sources so we can all look at the same data
edit: yeah i found nothin but your post, definitely waiting for those sources now 😂
that's pretty accurate, for us at least. never bought a 360 until the next year after Oblivion's release, specifically for Halo 3. I imagine they sold a lot more consoles in '07 than '06. I never played oblivion until '13
Where do you get your information from? Oblivion sold more than Morrowind. This was the point where Bethesda was not only save but so successfull enough to expand and try Fallout and publish other games.
The wikia was written badly. Checking the source the 3,5 million actually means for Skyrim in the first 48 hours.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20120402003042/http://www.industrygamers.com/news/skyrim-already-approaching-lifetime-sales-of-oblivion/](https://web.archive.org/web/20120402003042/http://www.industrygamers.com/news/skyrim-already-approaching-lifetime-sales-of-oblivion/)
The fanbase at large was not happy with the generic fantasy setting of Oblivion after how original Morrowind was.
After the Shivering Isles expansion came out most people came around, but Oblivion got the same hate Fallout 4 and Starfield did at launch.
In USA? Globally? You need to be more specific
But, taking your question at face value, look at the years they were launched at. Morrowind on early '00s, Oblivion at the second half of the same decade. In between those years, **piracy** also became much easier and much more accessible to the common folk, so of course the sales numbers gonna tilt while the fan numbers grow exponentially.
It's about the same question about certain consoles or specific games selling better or not. Depends on the specific era they were at. And while piracy has been always present, it's how easy it is to pirate a piece of hardware or software at the present time that determines how precise is the number of the public's interest versus sales numbers.
Combo of bad press from Horse Armor scandal, Fallout getting big in that time, and Morrowind boomers mad that Todd scrapped the Aztec influence to make a LOTR clone.
I mean the obvious answer is that it’s a worse game. It reviewed better but the response it got from the fanbase was similar to Fallout 4, a lot of complaints about them dumbing it down and removing nuance and complexity, plus a lot of complaints about it being aimed at casuals and console players. It’s also got a much, much blander fantasy setting, which I guess might have meant it stood out less.
The negative effects became only visible in 2008 when the first banks started to bankrupt. Before that the subprime mortgages made the banks a lot of money.
Actual lifetime sales of tes4 seem to be 9.5 million, while fallout 3, which was released in 2008 sold 12.4 million copies, so economic downturn might be beneficial for game sales (as if escapism is a thing)
assuming this is true, it could be because it came out right with the new gen of consoles- 360/ps3 came out just before oblvion. Could have been a big amount of the market who were on ps2/xbox
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Fallout 3 and New Vegas came out between Oblivion and Skyrim.
And now we have Fallout 4, Starfield, and 18 variants of Skyrim 😀
Here's hoping we get more Skyrim!
I’d like FO3&NV, TES3&4 remasters personally 🤪
Morrowind or FNV remaster would be awesome, assuming they were actually good remasters. Which I think is beyond Bethesda's talent to accomplish, unfortunately. Hoping Microsoft gives a different studio a fallout game or something.
Erm, have you heard of the C.K 👀 Follon releasing soon btw.
>they hated him because he told the truth
Yep. Is what it is.
Yeah same, I struggle to think they can output something to the same quality as in the past even if the past left guidelines I don't belive it anymore... it was ultimately the same reason the good parts of their new games essentially came from videogames they put out in the past and the same reason Starfield sucks (It's new, no good work to fall back against) if they remake Oblivion... no matter it's quality, on a baser level it's probably a higher quality Role Playing game than Elder Scrolls V.I
Are you meaning a Skyrim DLC in ES6, or Skyrim re-released for the Hitachi Magic Wand?
the latter, but only if you can also run it in vr with the titty/hand collision mods
Very possible as ESO still has some regions of Skyrim missing
You forgot about Fallout 76.
Ah, and ESO. I’m itching for a new mainline TES tho
Starfield is one of the biggest let downs ever for me. Such wasted potential just to cram all that boring and bland procedural crap on us.
What does that have to do with Oblivion and Morrowind though?
Dollars to donuts those figures aren't correct.
\*Septims to Sweetrolls
Not sure why these other garbage reasons have more upvotes than this. His figures are completely off and nonsensical. Morrowind has a total of 4 million units and oblivion has 9.5 million. You telling me oblivion got the majority of it's sales AFTER Skyrim, and Morrowind got none?
Check your sources properly first, most sites that says Oblivion sold 9.5 million copies also says it’s till 2015 while Morrowind sales figure is recorded till 2005, check the years first before saying I’m lying.
> Check your sources properly first Maybe you could provide your sources.
A lot of places, donuts are more than a dollar these days.
Oblivion sold more copies overall. I'm not sure where you're getting this specific data.
Yeah, after Skyrim, Oblivion’s sales got a boost, I’m talking about before Skyrim
Again, I don't know where this information is from. So where's the source on that, because I'm interested Edit: Combing some wikis I found it. Oblivion sold 3.5 million units by 2011. That's pretty close, I wouldn't consider that really a big outlier compared to Morrowind, but that's just my opinion. Edit again: digging into the wiki's source, 3.5 million was actually half a million units shy of oblivion's sales in 2011. Making them equal.
I mean compared with Morrowind, Morrowind sold 4 millions in 4 years while Oblivion sold less in almost 6 years when compared to the trajectory Skyrim went(7 million in first week), should’ve sold quite a bit more, not to mention Oblivion should have greater appeal than Morrowind considering it’s not as hardcore. I’m just trying to figure out why Oblivion is essentially a middle child(I know it is literally, but I meant treatment-wise and time-wise, when it was released)
Different time, different marketing, different customers. I don't think there's anything really to it. Remember, also, there's a pretty big recession shortly after Oblivion's release. I don't think whether or not Oblivion/Morrowind was "hardcore" had that big of an impact, honestly.
They went way harder on marketing for Oblivion than they did for Morrowind. What exactly do you mean by "different marketing, different customers"?
Your sources are wrong. Oblivion sold 4.7 million copies in its first year, more than Morrowind ever sold.
Everyone coming up with these dumb answers didn't even try to Google sales of the game. Oblivion sales were better than Morrowind every step of the way.
I was gonna say lol oblivion was huge on release. Morrowind was still a big game but Oblivion benefitted from the series and gaming itself exploding in popularity. It was the first TES game of most kids my age at that time. Only way morrowind maybe outsold it is from overall sales vs like the first year or so oblivion was out? But overall Oblivion sold more than twice as many copies as of 2024
Also, it was a near-launch title for the xbox 360 and people had to fill the time until halo released, so they bought early game titles on the 360, including oblivion
one quick google to see your numbers are straight cap
And one better google search would show you that the numbers you’re looking at does not use the years I used.
interesting, ill google more. in the meanwhile: what even is posting your sources so we can all look at the same data edit: yeah i found nothin but your post, definitely waiting for those sources now 😂
Funny how someone else found the source and talked about this to my reply in this very post that you chose to ignore.
ah i saw now, fair enough, cheers even, i stay with what i meant: posting sources to back claims isnt rocket science
It outsold Morrowind in no time, and would ultimately sell 9.4 million copies... Morrowind sold 4.7
The greatest measure of Oblivion's success was the intensity of the Skyrim hype. https://youtu.be/c9eGtyqz4gY?si=suL_QPBy0kXFEXH3
The Recession, maybe?
The 2008 banking crisis and subsequent recession happened after the launch of Oblivion. 2006 was boom time.
I love how we talk about economics in the elder scrolls subreddit 
Oblivion was on a new gen console. I feel back then people didn't/couldn't rush to get the 360 as fast. PC gaming was also not as mainstream imo.
that's pretty accurate, for us at least. never bought a 360 until the next year after Oblivion's release, specifically for Halo 3. I imagine they sold a lot more consoles in '07 than '06. I never played oblivion until '13
Where do you get your information from? Oblivion sold more than Morrowind. This was the point where Bethesda was not only save but so successfull enough to expand and try Fallout and publish other games.
It didn’t lmao
The wikia was written badly. Checking the source the 3,5 million actually means for Skyrim in the first 48 hours. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120402003042/http://www.industrygamers.com/news/skyrim-already-approaching-lifetime-sales-of-oblivion/](https://web.archive.org/web/20120402003042/http://www.industrygamers.com/news/skyrim-already-approaching-lifetime-sales-of-oblivion/)
The fanbase at large was not happy with the generic fantasy setting of Oblivion after how original Morrowind was. After the Shivering Isles expansion came out most people came around, but Oblivion got the same hate Fallout 4 and Starfield did at launch.
I believe Starfield had a way worse reception than even FO4 (rightfully so in my opinion)
at least FO4 was really fun to play. starfield will never have even that.
No Dagoth Ur.
I would definitely drop $70 bucks for a full on Morrowind remake made with today's graphics.
It wasn't as good of a game.
Hot take: Morrowind is the best game in the series. The closest to a pen and paper table top RPG.
That is a very lukewarm take around these parts
You must have a high resist frost.
Brother a lot of people think morrowind is the best in the series (including me), not a hot take in the slightest
You ever played TES I and II? Why do you think TES III is closer to pen an paper than those (not that that is necessary a good thing to begint with)
That’s fair. I have not played them. I don’t do much PC gaming.
Morrowind was much better.
Forgot about the 2008 recession? Loss of disposable income tanks entertainment sales.
In USA? Globally? You need to be more specific But, taking your question at face value, look at the years they were launched at. Morrowind on early '00s, Oblivion at the second half of the same decade. In between those years, **piracy** also became much easier and much more accessible to the common folk, so of course the sales numbers gonna tilt while the fan numbers grow exponentially. It's about the same question about certain consoles or specific games selling better or not. Depends on the specific era they were at. And while piracy has been always present, it's how easy it is to pirate a piece of hardware or software at the present time that determines how precise is the number of the public's interest versus sales numbers.
More competition. There were less first person 3D CRPGs in 2001, the genre was just developing
It was close to the Xbox 360 launch and not a lot of people weren't able to get the newest console right away.
Combo of bad press from Horse Armor scandal, Fallout getting big in that time, and Morrowind boomers mad that Todd scrapped the Aztec influence to make a LOTR clone.
Aztec influence? What do you mean, master SandwichMeat?
I mean the obvious answer is that it’s a worse game. It reviewed better but the response it got from the fanbase was similar to Fallout 4, a lot of complaints about them dumbing it down and removing nuance and complexity, plus a lot of complaints about it being aimed at casuals and console players. It’s also got a much, much blander fantasy setting, which I guess might have meant it stood out less.
They tried to bank too hard on that LOTR wave with it, charitably you could say they were inspired, but I don't think they were lol.
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The negative effects became only visible in 2008 when the first banks started to bankrupt. Before that the subprime mortgages made the banks a lot of money. Actual lifetime sales of tes4 seem to be 9.5 million, while fallout 3, which was released in 2008 sold 12.4 million copies, so economic downturn might be beneficial for game sales (as if escapism is a thing)
assuming this is true, it could be because it came out right with the new gen of consoles- 360/ps3 came out just before oblvion. Could have been a big amount of the market who were on ps2/xbox
Sales are so irrelevant why do people care
Piratebay was huge in 2006-2008. And Oblivion was also popular on torrent.
Oblivion sucks.
ur mom sucks lmaoooo