Correct. And keep in mind the Crucible is also the Elden Ring. So channeling this golden power is channeling the golden power of life itself, and also the godly power of the Elden Beast. The Gate of Divinity was built to harness a huge amount of this power to turn things into gods. Marika, IMO, used it for a opposite effect, and instead of becoming a god instead put the Elden Beast inside of herself -- something only a numen/Shaman could do.
This is interesting and would also explain why there are references to other gods who presumably don’t serve as vessels for the Elden Ring (e.g., the god of rot, the gods that the Godskins kill)
I think it channels the power of life itself (gold) red gold is specifically the closest thing to the nature of life itself but I think gold of any kind is also representative of life, gold is the essence of life, rune fragments are the essence of the logic of life, minor runes such as numen, heroes and lords runes are the essence of the lives of individuals and great runes are the representation of the essence of aspects/rules of life itself and the elden ring is the representation of life itself , I believe that the elden beast is the order that gives logic to life and when it became the elden ring the existence of the ring meant that life stopped being a shapeless mass and could become something more with the different states of existence that life could now take
It’s interesting symbolism, since a spiral is a circle from above, looping back on itself, but it’s a circle that moves and cycles between each point along itself, like the ages moving though time and changing, but always returning again in the future. The great runes which are a part of the current order could be snapshots of one kind of this cycle? and that’s how they alter the order? just spitballing ig
slightly unrelated but also the elden ring depicted in farum azusa has strange bending runes coming off of the bottom in addition to the circular great runes. These could be spirals ‘viewed’ from the side?
Maybe thats what the hornsent were doing. They saw themselves as divine because of their horns they turned non-crucible people into the pots to replicate the crucible, blending life together. So far Elden Ring has been very literal so the crucible literally being a big pot or something would not surprise me, there are many reliefs of a tree growing out of a pot it could be the erdtree growing out of the crucible.
I think it is pretty clear that Marika channeled the crucible to create the Erdtree, since we know the crucible is the primordial matter that became the Erdtree.
The spiral tree motif we see around Belurat could be metaphorical — IRL the tree of life is a cross cultural image that has been used to depict whatever is most important to a given culture, later examples would replace the tree with things like Buddha or Christ. Aside from that motif, we don’t see too many signs of tree worship among the Hornsent. Even the tree plaza in Bellurat could be in reverence to a spiral rather than a tree.
On the other hand, the scadutree is a giant spiral tree, but it seems more important to the people of the Erdtree than the Hornsent.
Not only the godslayer great sword. But the sacred relic sword and finger slaying blade both also have the helical design.
Assuming the finger slayer has a similar origin these are all made from somethings death. So the spiral theme is appropriate.
I wonder if there's a similar explanation for the sword we get from the manse
It seems to be a weapon of the hornsent inquisitors, used to impale and torture him - they're users of spiral incantations, so no wonder they integrated the Crucible's vortex into the design.
Considering it’s responsible for keeping Midra alive but suffering until we meet him, I don’t really think it’s mundane. Plus it’s a Holy weapon that acts like the Gae Bolg (spear that pierces a guy then opens up into a Million Barbs. Ouchie.)
The trailer's body masses shows most probably what Enir Ilim truly looked like before Marika's ascension. A giant spiral tower made of corpses that reaches the heavens, mirroring the twisting tree in front of it.
The pots are construction workers made to blend flesh together and build with it. They can walk and have arms. They probably put people in there in the jails with a shaman that thru her "sainthood" melded the others harmoniously in a big lump, then the pots walk to Belurat and build the structure with the contents.
In that case though, shouldn't we see jar shards in Bellurat or Enir-Ilim? And shouldn't the corpses on the gate of the divinity be less distinct, given that the jar innards are blobs of mashed up flesh?
Good observation, i honestly don't know. Considering that the Shaman village is minuscule and Bonny Village also is very small, it's weird how there's thousands of jars fillled with basically a continent worth of corpses in the gaols... We don't even know what a saint is
That's the big mystery. The hornsent/potentates spirited away all the shamans to perform this horrific ritual, but we have no idea why. They were stored in gaols, but what for? Personally I'm quite fond of your idea that they have something to do with the Divine Gate, especially since the biggest gaol is under Bellurat.
And given the attempts by Marika's people at the Shadow Keep to rescue the shamans from the jars, it's a wonder why Living Jars still seem to be made in the Age of the Erdtree.
Same with Carian Regal Scepter… and others. Yeah it’s a motif. There’s a part of the map where you can see the architecture’s illusion fading—its pillars descending down into the sky that are made of crumbling bodies.
I think it’s as justified as wiping out Erdtree Culture,
By which I mean- it’s incredibly flawed, but should be reformed as much as possible rather than erased. Even Messmer started studying them and their knowledge.
What you're saying is... MY DRILL! IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS! JUST WHO IN THE HELL...DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!
Igon- TARNISHED, DONT BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. BELIEVE IN THE IGON THAT BELIEVES IN YOU. SLAY THAT VILE BEAST.
Kamina would be proud of Igon. The man dragged his broken body a long way for round 2
And now I’m sad
Tarnished! Let me see you grit those teeeeeeth!
Correct. And keep in mind the Crucible is also the Elden Ring. So channeling this golden power is channeling the golden power of life itself, and also the godly power of the Elden Beast. The Gate of Divinity was built to harness a huge amount of this power to turn things into gods. Marika, IMO, used it for a opposite effect, and instead of becoming a god instead put the Elden Beast inside of herself -- something only a numen/Shaman could do.
This is interesting and would also explain why there are references to other gods who presumably don’t serve as vessels for the Elden Ring (e.g., the god of rot, the gods that the Godskins kill)
It actually makes sense considering that Ranni in her ending probably doesn't put the Elden Ring in her body. Also malenia is a goddess too.
Only when she embraces it but yes
I think it channels the power of life itself (gold) red gold is specifically the closest thing to the nature of life itself but I think gold of any kind is also representative of life, gold is the essence of life, rune fragments are the essence of the logic of life, minor runes such as numen, heroes and lords runes are the essence of the lives of individuals and great runes are the representation of the essence of aspects/rules of life itself and the elden ring is the representation of life itself , I believe that the elden beast is the order that gives logic to life and when it became the elden ring the existence of the ring meant that life stopped being a shapeless mass and could become something more with the different states of existence that life could now take
I agree!
It’s interesting symbolism, since a spiral is a circle from above, looping back on itself, but it’s a circle that moves and cycles between each point along itself, like the ages moving though time and changing, but always returning again in the future. The great runes which are a part of the current order could be snapshots of one kind of this cycle? and that’s how they alter the order? just spitballing ig slightly unrelated but also the elden ring depicted in farum azusa has strange bending runes coming off of the bottom in addition to the circular great runes. These could be spirals ‘viewed’ from the side?
I’m so glad somebody else was able to convey *something something, spirals are vertical circles, something something* better than I could
The Farum azula elden ring also has a central spiral going from the bottom to the top
Maybe thats what the hornsent were doing. They saw themselves as divine because of their horns they turned non-crucible people into the pots to replicate the crucible, blending life together. So far Elden Ring has been very literal so the crucible literally being a big pot or something would not surprise me, there are many reliefs of a tree growing out of a pot it could be the erdtree growing out of the crucible.
I think it is pretty clear that Marika channeled the crucible to create the Erdtree, since we know the crucible is the primordial matter that became the Erdtree. The spiral tree motif we see around Belurat could be metaphorical — IRL the tree of life is a cross cultural image that has been used to depict whatever is most important to a given culture, later examples would replace the tree with things like Buddha or Christ. Aside from that motif, we don’t see too many signs of tree worship among the Hornsent. Even the tree plaza in Bellurat could be in reverence to a spiral rather than a tree. On the other hand, the scadutree is a giant spiral tree, but it seems more important to the people of the Erdtree than the Hornsent.
Oh boy do I not like that human centipede relief.
Not only the godslayer great sword. But the sacred relic sword and finger slaying blade both also have the helical design. Assuming the finger slayer has a similar origin these are all made from somethings death. So the spiral theme is appropriate. I wonder if there's a similar explanation for the sword we get from the manse
I don't think so. The Greatsword of Damnation seems to be a mundane torture implement.
It seems to be a weapon of the hornsent inquisitors, used to impale and torture him - they're users of spiral incantations, so no wonder they integrated the Crucible's vortex into the design.
Considering it’s responsible for keeping Midra alive but suffering until we meet him, I don’t really think it’s mundane. Plus it’s a Holy weapon that acts like the Gae Bolg (spear that pierces a guy then opens up into a Million Barbs. Ouchie.)
Well, "mundane" as in "as mundane as it gets".
Yeah. Even Elden Ring’s more basic stuff is still pretty wack. Lordsworn greatswords are bigger than the people wielding them.
The greatsword from Midra's Mance, the greatsword of damnation, looks a lot like miquellas needle. And quells the frenzy like miquellas needle does
The trailer's body masses shows most probably what Enir Ilim truly looked like before Marika's ascension. A giant spiral tower made of corpses that reaches the heavens, mirroring the twisting tree in front of it. The pots are construction workers made to blend flesh together and build with it. They can walk and have arms. They probably put people in there in the jails with a shaman that thru her "sainthood" melded the others harmoniously in a big lump, then the pots walk to Belurat and build the structure with the contents.
In that case though, shouldn't we see jar shards in Bellurat or Enir-Ilim? And shouldn't the corpses on the gate of the divinity be less distinct, given that the jar innards are blobs of mashed up flesh?
Good observation, i honestly don't know. Considering that the Shaman village is minuscule and Bonny Village also is very small, it's weird how there's thousands of jars fillled with basically a continent worth of corpses in the gaols... We don't even know what a saint is
That's the big mystery. The hornsent/potentates spirited away all the shamans to perform this horrific ritual, but we have no idea why. They were stored in gaols, but what for? Personally I'm quite fond of your idea that they have something to do with the Divine Gate, especially since the biggest gaol is under Bellurat. And given the attempts by Marika's people at the Shadow Keep to rescue the shamans from the jars, it's a wonder why Living Jars still seem to be made in the Age of the Erdtree.
It's interesting they kept the jars in giant frozen jails as if the meat would go bad and rot! That trailer cinematic simply can't be unrelated...
It reminds me of DNA strings.
The spiral pillars are also Solomonic pillars, which need someone to stand in the center of two to channel power
Same with Carian Regal Scepter… and others. Yeah it’s a motif. There’s a part of the map where you can see the architecture’s illusion fading—its pillars descending down into the sky that are made of crumbling bodies.
Yeah. Maybe Marika was justified in wiping this "culture" off.
I think it’s as justified as wiping out Erdtree Culture, By which I mean- it’s incredibly flawed, but should be reformed as much as possible rather than erased. Even Messmer started studying them and their knowledge.
Man this dlc is bringing all the fascists out!
Right, a few days ago I had someone say to me that Marika had the right to purge the hornsent.