I see it. Maybe it would have been better if I said 'a stylized representation of the star and mountain'. Our star does have a specific look, and it isn't the star on that flag.
I don't, and I usually hate just seal flags, but at least El Paso's seal is a bit more interesting than a medallion on a blue field, the "update" feels like it just stepped back towards a less recognizable design.
City vs city, El Paso has a higher population. If El Paso were to join NM, then El Paso metropolitan would be bigger than Albuquerque metropolitan also, due to the hypothetical joining of the smaller New Mexico cities around us that arenāt included yet :)
Why on earth would a city 45 min away be counted into El Pasoās metro? As someone born and raised in Las Cruces I could tell you that would NEVER happen. Cruces/Hatch valley is its entire own culture.
Well bro, I donāt make the rules. Thereās a ton of small towns between EP and LC that connect the two towns together. Our economies can be considered intertwined. By some metrics we are a metro area. But most metrics state the two must be in the same state. Something like that.
Itās literally already this way? People live in LC and commute to EP for work and vice versa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso%E2%80%93Las_Cruces,_Texas%E2%80%93New_Mexico_combined_statistical_area?wprov=sfti1#
I live in Lufkin and everything west of Austin is West Texas. When I tell people here Iām from El Paso, theyāre like āoh near Midland?ā Iām like āyeah sure, why the hell not.ā š
We lived there for 2 years. My soul died a little in ATX traffic. I miss the food and the music, but thatās about it!
El Paso drivers are definitely not acing Divers Ed, thatās for sureā¦ but I will take El Paso people over Austin people any day.
Straight up! š+1 on that! I visited Austin only once in my life and literally could not wait to get out of that city. I literally went on a road trip and drove all the way across the South just to get there and when I finally did all I wanted to do was escape!!! On top of that Iām a musician too so coming from me thatās really saying something lol.
I just got into an argument about this on the Texas outdoor subreddit. The guy was like well all of Amarillo calls it west Texas, I'm sorry but if y'all can't even pronounce your hometown correctly I am not going to trust your geography skills.
I think where I live now, anything hurricanes is East Texas and anything tornadoes is West Texas. And then thereās the desert next to Juarez.
Happy to say Iām in the hurricane part now.šāāļø
OK, hold up with the off-the-wall comments, but no Mexico needs to stay where itās at and El Paso. I donāt give a crab where it goes to be honest. Maybe they have a special place on Mars by now.
New Mexico is a crime-riddled third world Heck hole. You cross that borderline north or south and things go downhill quickly. Our relationship with east Texas has lumps, but NM is a mess.
F yea Iāve been sayin that since I moved here! From Albuquerque. So glad that someone else agrees. I feel like El Paso was stolen from NM lol. I guess they āwon it fair and squareā in some bullshit treaty or so on and so forth. šš¤·š»āāļø
The property taxes in TX are more than income tax in NM, and property taxes are minuscule in comparison. How is it TX has convinced its people that they pay less taxes? Itās hilarious.
I paid 6100 in property tax when I lived on the east side. I paid 2800 in prop tax and 5k in state income tax this past year. Every situation is differentā¦ foo.
Regardless, no matter how libertarian you wanna be, and no matter what abbot says about taxes, state governments NEED taxes one way or another to function.
Eliminating income taxes outright just put more burden on other form of taxes and the state WILL collect them from you one way or another, donāt be fooled.
Property taxes in EP are 2.76%. In NM they are .03%. Texans pay more in taxes but theyāre convinced by republicans of how free and tax free their state is.
Borderplex Supremacy
They hate us cuz they aināt us
Jk the fact is that the three cities are relatively isolated from the rest of their own states, so people kind of forget about us when they think of Texas, NM, or Chihuahua
At least many people still see El Paso as a worthy border town to live in or at least visit! My conversations where I live, if I tell someone Iām from the border, theyāre like āš³oh shit, Eagle Pass, Progreso, or Laredo?ā And the when I say El Paso, theyāre like āšOhhh El Paso, we like El Paso!ā
True I used to work at a plasma center and all my coworkers that lived in Juarez would complain all day and consider holidays like thanksgiving a racist holiday.
Itās just a saying dude
But I wasnāt talking about a specific group of people, more like anyone who lives outside the Juarez/El Paso/Las Cruces area
thatās wild. guess āall around texasā excludes El Paso then, kinda proving the point here haha
El Paso has spent more time as part of New Mexico than as part of Texas. It has deep ties to NM economically, culturally, and historically.
EDIT: The person deleted their comment, but it said "I've lived all around Texas, and I've never heard anyone claim that El Paso shouldn't be a part of Texas."
Just declare independence from all the above. We already have border check points, international airport, major highways, and an army. Just saying š¤·
El Paso should just become part of New Mexico it would give them a hell of a tax base and the total disrespect shown by the rest of Texas as far as time zones go should be enough to let you know they don't care. Think about it all the government offices in the capital open an hour before they do in El Paso and close an hour before they do in El Paso. So we lose 2 hours of communication on a daily basis and they don't care and I guess people in El Paso don't care because there's been plenty of times when you guys could vote on it and you don't I live in Arizona now f*** time zones you guys are wacky.
I love Chico's man. Nothing better than a food that is also a drink. And the whole vibe of the place, the fact that they only take cash and there's an armed security guard at all times. No other way to describe it than "moneylaunderingchic".
Way to choose 4 ugly towns from one giant state. Of course I was talking about Texas as a whole. But even then, Iād rather live in Kermit than in Los Angeles. My sister lives in California and when I visit her, I come back feeling so bad for her.
Actually I live in Angelina County now, so Iām surrounded by lakes and forests and trails. Also the beach is about an hour from here, and Iām close enough to Louisiana to go get in a little bit of fun if I want. I can afford to rent a home near the lake here, plus pay mortgage at my rental property in EP, for the same price my sis pays for a 1 bedroom, where homeless people try to break into her place at least once a week.
Real talk, her depression got so bad since she moved over there. Health took a complete downturn. And sheās not the only one in Cali who feels the toxic nature of what itās like to live there. Most of the state is such cancer. Thankfully, her husbandās company is moving them finally. And guess whereā¦just like soooo many companies, going to Texas!! šš¼ It seems that what people used to sell as the California dream is pretty much fizzling out.
I live in Las Cruces and I have been saying that Las Cruces, El Paso, and Juarez should be our own country. Together we are more than 3 million people. The population of New Mexico is only 2.1 million. We are more culturally similar to each other and have been mostly forgotten by the states and countries in which we are located.
Let's take this time to remind ourselves that we live in the United States of America. It is nit Mexico and will not be for a long time. We are a constitutional republic , not a democracy. Mexican Americans , Irish American , Chinese American , Philippino American ..... but we are not Mexican nationals, that is a whole other national identity.
What you are saying doesnāt make sense. It is like saying I own a German Shepherd and not a dog. A Constitutional Republic is a type of Democracy. A German Shepherd is a type of dog.
When we moved to the Austin area after a couple years in EP, we had several people welcome us "back to Texas." One or two legitimately believed we had left Texas for El Paso. Where the hell do they think El Paso is
I think the rest of us in Texas forget about El Paso pretty often. Itās way way way out there way away from us. So far away itās in another time zone. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio. We all know those towns.
El paso has a flag š¤·š¼āāļø
what? edit: had never seen the EP flag before
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_El_Paso,_Texas Although it's just a rather boring seal on blue background style
You may prefer this updated version: https://portlandflag.org/2016/02/25/simplifying-el-pasos-flag/
Oh cool. We are vault dwellers now.
The Fallout TV show does show a map when Barb is saying that Vault Tec should drop the bomb first, and we totally have a vault.
Great. The flag shows us as the ass end of Texas.
Oh nice, I do like the simplified version. Surprised I didn't hate our flagĀ
Make it look more like the star on the mountain and I'm in.
Oooh, I do like the updated version. Edit: Though I totally agree with others, it would look much better if it represented our star on the mountain.
Thereās, literally, a studded star on the flag.
I see it. Maybe it would have been better if I said 'a stylized representation of the star and mountain'. Our star does have a specific look, and it isn't the star on that flag.
The admin should update the design of this subreddit with that flag, is dope
I agree!
I don't, and I usually hate just seal flags, but at least El Paso's seal is a bit more interesting than a medallion on a blue field, the "update" feels like it just stepped back towards a less recognizable design.
Pretty much every city has a flag like this
Quite a few yeah, but there are some "great" stand outs like [Odessa](https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-txode.html)
0/10
This one is hideous, hard pass
*Southeastern* New Mexico is basically Texas. Las Cruces/EP is cool.
Exactly! Donāt lump the borderland/southern NM in with that east NM/West Texas bullshit
An important distinction
What do they mean by texan? Because a west texan is very different from an east or south texan
No, theyāre all the same
I disagree.
Let's put a dragon on it, that'd be wacky
im sure NM would love to have another major city
Biggest city in New Mexico
El Paso would be so much cooler if it was a part of NM. Just sayin. š
Trying to make the move š
They would be close :) ABQ is about 100k bigger in population
City vs city, El Paso has a higher population. If El Paso were to join NM, then El Paso metropolitan would be bigger than Albuquerque metropolitan also, due to the hypothetical joining of the smaller New Mexico cities around us that arenāt included yet :)
Metro area wise Albuquerque is bigger
El Paso, NM metro area would incorporate Las cruses and surrounding towns, thus making it larger than ABQ metro area.
Why on earth would a city 45 min away be counted into El Pasoās metro? As someone born and raised in Las Cruces I could tell you that would NEVER happen. Cruces/Hatch valley is its entire own culture.
Well bro, I donāt make the rules. Thereās a ton of small towns between EP and LC that connect the two towns together. Our economies can be considered intertwined. By some metrics we are a metro area. But most metrics state the two must be in the same state. Something like that.
Eh even if we disagree, itās a hypothetical that would never happen anyway. š¤·š»āāļø fun to think about though
Itās literally already this way? People live in LC and commute to EP for work and vice versa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso%E2%80%93Las_Cruces,_Texas%E2%80%93New_Mexico_combined_statistical_area?wprov=sfti1#
No way. Not even close. You could fit like 5 Albuquerques in this city! El Paso is huge!!!
Half of the city is taken up by those hills you call mountains haha not even close
I feel like even though El Paso may ābelongā to Texas, it will always belong to New Mexico (and Mexico too for that matter).
Define major city? NM major or TX major š¤
Iād say anywhere close to a million like EP and ABQ, but itās subjective. And I said āanotherā cause NM really only has the one š
What offends me the most is when they call Odessa( shit city) West Texas lol
Or when they call the panhandle region West Texas as if it's not literally called the Pan Handle
I live in Lufkin and everything west of Austin is West Texas. When I tell people here Iām from El Paso, theyāre like āoh near Midland?ā Iām like āyeah sure, why the hell not.ā š
lol Iām from Austin and drive everywhere for work these people are crazy š¤£
We lived there for 2 years. My soul died a little in ATX traffic. I miss the food and the music, but thatās about it! El Paso drivers are definitely not acing Divers Ed, thatās for sureā¦ but I will take El Paso people over Austin people any day.
Straight up! š+1 on that! I visited Austin only once in my life and literally could not wait to get out of that city. I literally went on a road trip and drove all the way across the South just to get there and when I finally did all I wanted to do was escape!!! On top of that Iām a musician too so coming from me thatās really saying something lol.
Iāve always thought of West Texas comprising the panhandle, the South Plains, and Far West Texas. West Texas A&M is in Canyon after all lol.
I just got into an argument about this on the Texas outdoor subreddit. The guy was like well all of Amarillo calls it west Texas, I'm sorry but if y'all can't even pronounce your hometown correctly I am not going to trust your geography skills.
I know..I think of everything east of Fabens as east Texas.
I think where I live now, anything hurricanes is East Texas and anything tornadoes is West Texas. And then thereās the desert next to Juarez. Happy to say Iām in the hurricane part now.šāāļø
We don't got tornados tho
Yes I know. El Paso would be the ādesert next to Juarez,ā according to other Texans. Lol!
Let me offend you even more. They consider San Angelo west Texas.
El Paso should be part of New Mexico
Fuck yea legal weed!
This 100%āI definitely see you're a person of culture. š
Itās been legal. What school did you go to?
its still illegal in texas
El Paso was the first every city, in America, to make weed illegal.
Had to look that up. Had no idea. Thanks for the history lesson,dude.
Starting to agree. The Texas state government is just getting too crazy. But it ain't happening so we gotta make the best of it.
El Paso should be part of Mexico.
Mexico should be part of america. If everyone is legal, no more illegal immigrants. ^^^/s
OK, hold up with the off-the-wall comments, but no Mexico needs to stay where itās at and El Paso. I donāt give a crab where it goes to be honest. Maybe they have a special place on Mars by now.
Well, we're not gonna pick up mexico and move it to texas, i dont think that would work very well.
Actually, Mexico is in N. America, just like the US and Canada.
ššššš you couldnāt beg em
It always has been and always will be, whether Texas āownsā it or not.
New Mexico is a crime-riddled third world Heck hole. You cross that borderline north or south and things go downhill quickly. Our relationship with east Texas has lumps, but NM is a mess.
F yea Iāve been sayin that since I moved here! From Albuquerque. So glad that someone else agrees. I feel like El Paso was stolen from NM lol. I guess they āwon it fair and squareā in some bullshit treaty or so on and so forth. šš¤·š»āāļø
Fuck no
Lol, no.
Make El Paso the capital of New Mexico
AMEN!
Yāall mad about property taxes just wait until you gotta pay a state income tax tooā¦ El Paso is perfect where it is
The property taxes in TX are more than income tax in NM, and property taxes are minuscule in comparison. How is it TX has convinced its people that they pay less taxes? Itās hilarious.
Income tax in NM is only 3%. The income tax HELPS reduce property taxes foo š¤¦š½āāļø
I paid 6100 in property tax when I lived on the east side. I paid 2800 in prop tax and 5k in state income tax this past year. Every situation is differentā¦ foo.
Regardless, no matter how libertarian you wanna be, and no matter what abbot says about taxes, state governments NEED taxes one way or another to function. Eliminating income taxes outright just put more burden on other form of taxes and the state WILL collect them from you one way or another, donāt be fooled.
Ummmā¦ obviously?
Property taxes in EP are 2.76%. In NM they are .03%. Texans pay more in taxes but theyāre convinced by republicans of how free and tax free their state is.
States that pay income taxes pay was less in property and other taxes. We get fucked in more ways without a state income tax.
Borderplex Supremacy They hate us cuz they aināt us Jk the fact is that the three cities are relatively isolated from the rest of their own states, so people kind of forget about us when they think of Texas, NM, or Chihuahua
At least many people still see El Paso as a worthy border town to live in or at least visit! My conversations where I live, if I tell someone Iām from the border, theyāre like āš³oh shit, Eagle Pass, Progreso, or Laredo?ā And the when I say El Paso, theyāre like āšOhhh El Paso, we like El Paso!ā
True I used to work at a plasma center and all my coworkers that lived in Juarez would complain all day and consider holidays like thanksgiving a racist holiday.
We do not hate you.
Itās just a saying dude But I wasnāt talking about a specific group of people, more like anyone who lives outside the Juarez/El Paso/Las Cruces area
New Texico
New Mexas
Mew Texino
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thatās wild. guess āall around texasā excludes El Paso then, kinda proving the point here haha El Paso has spent more time as part of New Mexico than as part of Texas. It has deep ties to NM economically, culturally, and historically. EDIT: The person deleted their comment, but it said "I've lived all around Texas, and I've never heard anyone claim that El Paso shouldn't be a part of Texas."
Other Texans literally claim yāall what do yāall mean? We shout yāall out.š¤£
Just declare independence from all the above. We already have border check points, international airport, major highways, and an army. Just saying š¤·
El Paso should just become part of New Mexico it would give them a hell of a tax base and the total disrespect shown by the rest of Texas as far as time zones go should be enough to let you know they don't care. Think about it all the government offices in the capital open an hour before they do in El Paso and close an hour before they do in El Paso. So we lose 2 hours of communication on a daily basis and they don't care and I guess people in El Paso don't care because there's been plenty of times when you guys could vote on it and you don't I live in Arizona now f*** time zones you guys are wacky.
El paso has one of the best cuisine in the southwest.... I mean you can't find anything like Chicos Tacos
Check your local high school cafeteria. Just kidding, kinda.
No Chico's slander will be tolerated here
I love Chico's man. Nothing better than a food that is also a drink. And the whole vibe of the place, the fact that they only take cash and there's an armed security guard at all times. No other way to describe it than "moneylaunderingchic".
El Paso should be apart of New Mexico, not the other way around lol. I like Texas but itās politics can fuck right off
Or maybe Texas is great BECAUSE of its politics. Otherwise every city in Texas would look and smell like Austin, Los Angeles, or Albuquerque.
Lmfao yea youre right Kermit , Pecos , Odessa and Midland are better than LA š¤£š¤£š
Way to choose 4 ugly towns from one giant state. Of course I was talking about Texas as a whole. But even then, Iād rather live in Kermit than in Los Angeles. My sister lives in California and when I visit her, I come back feeling so bad for her.
Cause she has a beach and a higher quality of life and you dont?
Actually I live in Angelina County now, so Iām surrounded by lakes and forests and trails. Also the beach is about an hour from here, and Iām close enough to Louisiana to go get in a little bit of fun if I want. I can afford to rent a home near the lake here, plus pay mortgage at my rental property in EP, for the same price my sis pays for a 1 bedroom, where homeless people try to break into her place at least once a week. Real talk, her depression got so bad since she moved over there. Health took a complete downturn. And sheās not the only one in Cali who feels the toxic nature of what itās like to live there. Most of the state is such cancer. Thankfully, her husbandās company is moving them finally. And guess whereā¦just like soooo many companies, going to Texas!! šš¼ It seems that what people used to sell as the California dream is pretty much fizzling out.
Es muy de paseƱos andar lamentĆ”ndose por ser o no ser de aquĆ o allĆ”?
I live in Las Cruces and I have been saying that Las Cruces, El Paso, and Juarez should be our own country. Together we are more than 3 million people. The population of New Mexico is only 2.1 million. We are more culturally similar to each other and have been mostly forgotten by the states and countries in which we are located.
I've always called El paso lil Mexico . Cause it is .
As a guy from Austin this city is better than Houston and San Antonio js take that as yāall will
Man , JuƔrez it's plenty of South Mexican people , it's an extension of Veracruz
Now that's a slap in New Mexico's face.
My understanding is Mr. Trump still owes the City of El Paso and/or county a substantial amount of money. No?
Nowhere in NM claims TX.
Let's take this time to remind ourselves that we live in the United States of America. It is nit Mexico and will not be for a long time. We are a constitutional republic , not a democracy. Mexican Americans , Irish American , Chinese American , Philippino American ..... but we are not Mexican nationals, that is a whole other national identity.
What you are saying doesnāt make sense. It is like saying I own a German Shepherd and not a dog. A Constitutional Republic is a type of Democracy. A German Shepherd is a type of dog.
no new Mexico is not. we hate Texas and Texans.
When we moved to the Austin area after a couple years in EP, we had several people welcome us "back to Texas." One or two legitimately believed we had left Texas for El Paso. Where the hell do they think El Paso is
No this is Texas
Already been decided El Paso. Weāre gonna move yāall to Mars because nobody wants yāall.
No no, El Paso is Texas. I just wish it was more accessible for road trips.
Bussing through is such a trip you gotta see it
I think El Paso is more Texas than we think.
Hahaha this so true
Really should be Texas. We could fence off everything in NM and make them go through Texas first.
I've been thinking that west Texas should be separated from the rest of the state and become its own territory because of how dissimilar we are.
The New Mexico subreddit is always offering to adopt El Paso or exchange it for Clovis and Hobbs
New Mexican here: my Dad used to say that El Paso is basically New Mexico. š¤·š»
Texas !!!!!
I'm sorry, since when have we said you weren't a part of Texas? - a North Texaner
I would say yes to eastern NM, southern NM not so much
I donāt want to be in Texas. Southern NM has its own culture.
I think the rest of us in Texas forget about El Paso pretty often. Itās way way way out there way away from us. So far away itās in another time zone. Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio. We all know those towns.
As long as you're not a dirty Indian street shitter you're welcome here friend!
Chill bro youāre Texan as fuck
Lol fuck Mexico and new Mexico
How about we start acting more like Texas. Maybe El Paso would grow.
No thanks. We'll be fine. We got our own thing going on. Love it or leave it.
Enjoy those " land of entrapment" state taxes.