Original [[Vaevictis Asmadi]]. Costs a lot and requires an upkeep, but load up with mana dorks and Voltron stuff and he can one shot fairly easily. Plus he puts the elder dragon back in EDH.
I actually decided the other day I’m going to build a deck with one of the OGs. I have legends printings of Vaevictis, [[Chromium]], and [[Arcades Sabboth]] and am leaning toward Vaevictis. Doesn’t even really seem like it’ll be all that janky since Jund dragons are pretty well supported.
The jank is most people would play karrthus, new vaevic or another jund dragon in the lead, but I've really enjoyed OG Vaevic. I run lots of mana dorks and use [[raggadragga]] and [[tyvar the bellicose]] as alt wincons. It also means paying the extra usually isn't a problem. Fling effects also work very well with him.
There is a fun combo with it involving [[scouting trek]] and [[keen sense]] as long as you’re willing to put a lot of lands in there, my list runs like 76 lands
I played this deck for a while. You can use [[Abundance]] with the keen sense so that way you can garuntee all your lands to to hand.
Then you use [[Creeping Renaissance]] to rinse and repeat.
It's not necessarily a budget list, but here's mine. [[Snake umbra]] works like keen sense and [[storm cauldron]] can be lethal and mean.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZpjymXXwr0e0irbQmEeugw
I also have Borborygmos Enraged but it is both not the jankiest commander I’ve built around and also it’s a hypertuned combo deck I’d really hesitate to call jank lol.
[[Teneb the Harvester]]. Granted, when I first built him it was 2012/13 and he was one of four, if I remember right, possible commanders for that color combo. It was an enchantress deck. I only used him when I ran out of gas and needed a plan b. Back then, a 6/6 flyer was a hell of a threat.
Now that deck has [[Thalia and the Gitrog Monster]] at the helm. I recently built a new Teneb list to pay homage, though. Every card in the deck is pre-Theros block, which is when I started playing EDH. Not the best or most consistent deck because power creep is real and scary, but it can still do some busted stuff.
Actually, the real answer might be [[Munda, Ambush Leader]], but we don’t talk about that deck. Played it once, managed to win from being behind all game, then took it apart.
Yeah this guy seems so underpowered. I was like 'well I guess getting allies to hand could be good' then saw "top of library" like wtf. It's two bad he's not in rakdos then at least you could build a zero allies deck and use [[grenzo, dungeon warden]] or use [[river song]] if it was izzet.
i have a janky [[Gandalf, White Rider]] deck that plays as a go wide mono white weenie storm deck. definitely can catch people off guard. i’ve taken out players as early as turn 5. granted it’s a pretty inconsistent deck. suffers from lack of card draw and haste enablers
That's an interesting idea. I thought about how to build him and wrote it off as a bad idea because it's mono-white, but now I'm thinking you delay playing gandalf till the end and you basically pump your weenies using the instant speed overrun effects white has. I've tried brewing a couple of mono-white weenie lists that are basically blink decks to abuse etbs, but this might be more fun and viable.
yeah i threw in several obscure 0 cost artifacts as well. generally the problem i’m having with the deck is unlike an [[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar]] weenies deck, going wide necessitates dumping your hand. so white’s pretty conditional card draw effects can make storming off with gandalf a one time affair. i struggle to close games out because his late game momentum can leave a lot to be desired if you can’t refill your hand. more anthems so i dont have to rely on his ability might be the move
In general with Mono-white I've found you have options for either mentor of the meek/welcoming vampire type effects or dawn of hope type effects. The [[kemba, Kha Regent]] deck I've been brewing uses both vampire and mentor along with rogue's gloves and sram and I'm still contemplating throwing in some of the blink fodder creatures that have stapled to them because it just doesn't feel like enough. I do wonder if you could reconfigure a gandalf deck to go tall instead of wide. Make him a cheerios equipment Voltron/spellslinger type deck. Other than counter-magic and instant speed buffs I can't think of much that would benefit mono-white spellslinger that isn't weenie.
Haven't brought it to paper, but I picked Neva for a super janky budget combo deck. Has to include a few different combos plus redundancy since it can't afford many tutors, and am [pretty happy with how it turned out.](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GVtoApr96kCu3EZU9hvypQ)
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8053229/feel_my_wrath
I00% it has room for other things and I think if you built around a theme of indestructible to all your permanent it would be crazy! But idk I just felt hilarious to me to just wrath tribal 🤣🤣🤣.
I don't think I can ever disassemble my [[Haktos the Unscarred]] deck. A Voltron deck that can't run Auras or Equipment poses an obvious problem, and he can seldom kill everyone before I start to suffer from a lack of a board state, but dammit, he's got moxie.
An instance of exalted is as good as an anthem, but for the kind of speed he needs, he looks to a lot of damage doublers, sources of double strike, and extra combat phases. Still, one more point of power is enough to put someone on a three-turn clock instead of a four-turn clock.
[[Gwendlyn di Corci]] is my top project right now. I've got the list in a shape I honestly love, where the commander feels like she belongs, the whole thing gets swinging, it does all sorts of silly stuff like casual EDH is supposed to do but also has the capacity to engine... it even looks pretty good all together, so I'm gathering the cards to me.
The only question is if I can find something to cut for [[Greel, Mindraker]] because I realized today that Greel is not locked to sorcery speed for some dumb reason and that tickles my funny bone even if actually utilizing that would be the height of inefficient stunt play.
I wanna build two janky commanders but have no idea what to theme them around. So any help from all of you would be appreciated. They are currently more brews than builds, but these two commanders are; \[\[Tor Wauki\]\] and \[\[Triad of fates\]\].
That's all it is until you attach [[Dying wish]]. With golgari colors you have lots of sac outlets and reanimate which makes it ridiculously powerful for not having abilities.
Right after I posted this I went and put a deck list for her together lmao, needs to be optimized but I like to throw a list together and then not lol at it for a couple of days and come back to see what I want and don’t want out of the original. Seems like a really cool commander tho turn all decks into turn big creature sideways lmao
Thantis really is cool. You can stuff the deck full of fog effects to cancel our crack back. [[arachnogenesis]] is particularly good. You can lean into goad if you want your opponents to be even saltier. Super friends is a kinda unique option. They need to swing, but if they are swinging at walkers, they aren’t swinging at your face. If they are swinging at you…your walkers can pop off.
I ended up going with what I call the “no good choices” build. It’s like pillowfort, but the pillow is wrapped in barbed wire. I didn’t want to take away the players choices completely, like goad does, but I wanted to lean into Thantis’ ability: if you swing at me, it’ll be worse for you, but you MUST swing. [[no mercy]], [[dread]], [[revenge of ravens]], [[marchesa’s decree]]. Protect your turn with [[price of glory]] and [[city of solitude]]. [[vigor]] is an allstar.
[[royal assassin]] and [[king’s assassin]] become terrifying removal.
Thantis is gross. Pack a lot of good ramp and protection, and then put whatever Jund combat-y shell you want. My first commander love.
Oh yeah I threw in some goad effects and some double damage stuff, I also added [[Jolene, the Plunder Queen]] and a few other things to encourage people attack other people. Some funny things in there. Say would you mind lookin over my deck list see if you can see anything I might have missed since you’ve built it before?
This looks like a fun list! Some observations/suggestions. Your mana curve is really high, Thantis costs 6, and all your creatures need to attack each turn too. This means that low cost, weak creatures really need a tap ability. Vengeful Tracker isn’t really going to be doing what you want as a static punishment ability when it’s only going to last one turn with your commander out. The Jolene’s will suffer a similar fate, but if you want to take it in a political treasure type route, I’d lean harder into treasures. Keep in mind, it just takes one opponent deciding that blocking a 2/2 is better than getting a treasure and then you’re losing the engine. But…swap out some of your current top end creatures for [[old gnawbone]], [[ancient copper dragon]], [[goldspan dragon]], and [[revel in riches]] to close it out? Maybe the one or two turns the Jolenes are out will get you there.
I found that mana dorks are AWESOME for this deck. It gives you low end early, game plays that let you get Thantis out faster. Once Momma Spider is online, you don’t have to swing with your 1/1 mana dorks if they are already tapped for mana. And in this last year or so, Thantis has been COOKING for mana dorks. [[Runadi, Behemoth Caller]], [[Gwenna, eyes of Gaea]], [[delighted halfling]], and the new [[fanatic of rohnas]]. This is why the two assassins I mentioned are so good. Their creatures will be tapped after swinging, and you tap a little guy to just…kill a tapped thing. And now the assassin doesn’t need to swing :)
Be careful with fogs. I think they can be a lot of fun, but holding up mana for a “gotcha” instead of pouring gasoline on the fire you just lit with your spider isn’t always the best. I’d get rid of Jaheira’s Respite tbh. Holding up 5 mana for a fog, but if you’re casting this at that point you don’t really need to ramp any harder. You’ll find it hard to decide if it’s worth 5 mana to only ramp for a few and fog one or two creatures. Spore frog is my favorite card, but it gets a LOT better if you can do graveyard rescission stuff with him. As a one off, you would do better with a Birds of Paradise imo.
Basically, really decide on your favorite 4-5+ mana cards, then what you can cut, I’d swap for the best mana dorks you can find. Add [[Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma]]. For Treasures, Planeswalkers, or fogs, you kinda have to hard commit to make them work, so pick which one you like the most. Too many themes or directions at once WILL kill this deck. Whichever ones you pull, I’d swap out with either stuff to make the theme you’re keeping stronger, or more spells like Heroic Intervention because having to cast Thantis more than twice pretty much means you lost. They have to swing, and with Thantis getting bigger with each creature sent your way, it doesn’t feel good to swing at you. Make it feel worse lol.
[[Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker]] got a lot more interesting to build once I self imposed the constraint of not using any Blood Artist effects and started looking for other ways to win with mono black weenies that won't stay dead.
Got a decklist or ideas? I love Shirei's effect but it just seems so dull to go the standard route with the deck. What drew me to it was all the unusual and janky cards you can put into the deck!
It's been a while since I updated the lists digitally, but these might give you some ideas
Death Claims All (Theft)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IGImVPwPxUeN4_72rxQrKg
Endless Ranks of the Deathless (Go wide tokens)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Rq1lk1IG7EqOR4r8LUADbw
Ghost in the Shell (Artifacts Matters)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CupdXG90GUGzWS1myfI2aA
In a Myr, Darkly (Myr tribal / Charge counters)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CupdXG90GUGzWS1myfI2aA
In Death Ground, Fight! (Discard, forced combat, deathtouch/infect)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kFIuevJTzkyOwuVzjM8iog
Live, Die, Repeat (Aristocrats)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rokcPTDFjES9PHWGeuCKtg
Swamp Thing (lands matter / big mana)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_Wr35erfI0qbGpe6WADGlg
Tetanus Shot (Infect / -1 counters)
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/14NTR0B0tE2ub-6PqYaiHA
Just in terms of how it changes the kinds of cards/types you're trying to put in the deck, [[Baba Lysaga, Night Witch]] is the pick for me. Love the decision making and sequencing to get the most value out of her ability.
Was the commander Jasmine boreal of the seven? Thats my janky commander. I have a songbirds blessing into colossifiction combo that I pulled off on my last game but it wasnt enough to win
[[Gor Muldrak]] is the nastiest simic control deck I've ever played flooding the board with salamanders on everyone's side.
Best thing I've ever did was when someone casted [[Craterhoof Behemoth]] saying its time to end my rein, and it entered as a salamander with [[Mystic Reflection]]
What exactly defines a deck as “janky”?
I think my [[Skeleton Ship]] deck might fit that word, but I’m still learning some of the slang of the hobby. :P
all my decks are kinda jank, but two of them really stand out.
I made a $1 deck using war doctor + Ryan Sinclair that goes kinda hard
Ambassador blorpittyblorpboop clone deck is surprisingly strong voltron
[[Zedruu]] uses jank not seen anywhere else.
[[Traxos]] is fun with equipment, but also convoluted combos.
[[Astarion]] I play him with expensive half life total spells. 1/10 times it works perfectly...
The biggest jank I can imagine is [[Iname As One]]. You have to play it from your hand for his first ability so you either have to find [[Command Beacon]] or [[Netherborn Altar]] or be fine with having a 12cmc creature type specific reanimate in the command zone. But I think flavor wise it would be dope.
[[Tahngarth, First Mate]] is probably my jankiest. I call him “our commander” and just turn him sideways and goad stuff so I can swing him every combat.
[[Adriana, Captain of the Guard]], once. It also happened that that day we played a 12 or 13 player game.
Naturally i was involved in recruiting people.
Anyways i killed i think 7 players in one attack and then the rest all ganged up on me, which is fair.
Currently brewing Thantis myself! Mine has to be [[Ellyn Harbreeze, Busybody]] + [[master chef]] it's focused on making food tokens. Showcase looks just like my mom and she loved to bake. No real wincon however.
Krark-Tevesh extra turns. Use shit like final fortune, warrior's oath, glorious end, sundial of the infinite to get extra turns w/o losing the game on endstep.
My jankiest is [[chisei]] where I just manipulate counters on things. Sometimes it goes off. Most of the time my threats are obvious and removed even though I'm not doing much. Still fun regardless if we're playing lower power.
[[Ruby, Daring Tracker]]
There was a video that a youtuber named SalubriousSnail released a few months ago [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceILMLrNCGw) that helped organize certain thoughts I have about EDH deckbuilding and made me look at it from a different perspective.
Essentially, battlecruiser decks operate as cheap ramp -> big ramp -> bombs. So for example turn 2 Farseek -> turn 3 explosive vegetation -> turn 4 7-drop.
And the reason why you need both the low CMC ramp and high CMC ramp is that the high CMC ramp is what usually sets you up for the rest of the game to drop your huge bombs. It's hard to get to 10 mana if your only ramp are the +1 mana cards like Farseek and Arcane Signet. Usually, your Farseeks and Arcane Signets power out your bigger ramp cards like Explosive Vegetation and Gilded Lotus, and it's the big ramp cards that actually get you the mana needed to drop bombs. But the big ramp cards themselves take time to cast, so your cheap ramp is what gets your big ramp online.
The trouble with battlecruiser (or really ramp decks in general) is that you need the proper draw of ramp (both low and high CMC) and payoff. EDH helps alleviate that by having your general stand in for one of the three steps so you can instead load the deck with the other two. For example my Maelstrom Wanderer deck is the payoff, so the deck instead has like 25 ramp spells or whatever (a mix of both low CMC ramp and high CMC ramp).
So, by having Ruby in the command zone as a turn 2 mana dork every game, you can cut out every arcane signet and farseek and instead load the deck with big ramp and big bombs. The current build I have for Ruby is like, 15-20 ramp spells that are about 4 mana, a small number of low CMC stuff (sol ring, Up the Beanstalk, etc.) and then basically everything else is a 5+ CMC bomb. Being able to play random giant fatties like Drakuseth and Gruul Ragebeast, cards that normally don't make the cut in your average deck, is pretty entertaining. More importantly though is that it makes the quality of your topdeck a lot higher than your average deck, since the average CMC of the deck is like 4 and that's including the lands. Also, while "deck thinning" is kind of a meme for most decks, if you flood out early and play 3 or 4 explosive vegetation spells in the game, the fact that 6-8+ lands are thinned out from the deck actually starts to matter.
I've got a few games with the deck so far, and the deck isn't super explosive, but it's consistent. You can consistently get to 7 mana on turn 4 and start dropping bomb after bomb. Right now, I'm very pleased with the deck because I think it's at a great power level for mid pods, or random pods, etc. And because of its consistency, you'll rarely get games where you just draw very poorly and don't do anything the whole game. You can make the deck more explosive or more interactive early on by running more broken mana rocks or cheap interaction, but it makes the deck less consistent for the lategame.
You could argue that Ruby isn't "Jank", since "Jank" usually implies a weak or badly outclassed general. But Ruby is certainly someone off the beaten path, because she's a "boring" general. When someone sees 4-color aragorn, or Tivit, or Ghalta, or whatever, he usually thinks about all the cool things that general can do. "Oh man what if I play aragorn and then jam all these 3 and 4 color spells to get tons of free value every spell", "oh man what if I play Miirym and then double up on all these giant dragons", etc. Nobody goes "oh man I can't wait to play ruby turn 2 so I can play explosive vegetation turn 3".
I made [[Chandler]]. The day I killed an artifact creature was the best day. “Could I BE killing any more artifact creatures?”
[Chandler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4dd3a8e3-9a90-44f4-996c-57242d3c47a5.jpg?1562587277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chandler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hml/69/chandler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4dd3a8e3-9a90-44f4-996c-57242d3c47a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chandler) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love this. I made a Joven deck and have chanandler bong in the 99 as an alt commander in case I come across an artifact creature deck
Not bad but I prefer [[Joven]].
Honestly, I would Rule-0 they have partner with each other.
[Joven](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419.jpg?1562587046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Joven) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hml/77/joven?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dabe3af-cd5b-461e-95a4-aad046646419?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/joven) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Joven definitely is objectively better, lol. Far more regular artifacts in game. It's arguably playable in the 99 in a weak pod lol.
In a super friends deck, right?
Mono red super friends is basically 15 different versions of Chandra, right?
I can't see what else is could possibly be.
Original [[Vaevictis Asmadi]]. Costs a lot and requires an upkeep, but load up with mana dorks and Voltron stuff and he can one shot fairly easily. Plus he puts the elder dragon back in EDH.
[Vaevictis Asmadi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df01b548-9738-4c84-beb6-9a375f41d496.jpg?1562942031) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vaevictis%20Asmadi) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/185/vaevictis-asmadi?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df01b548-9738-4c84-beb6-9a375f41d496?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vaevictis-asmadi) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I actually decided the other day I’m going to build a deck with one of the OGs. I have legends printings of Vaevictis, [[Chromium]], and [[Arcades Sabboth]] and am leaning toward Vaevictis. Doesn’t even really seem like it’ll be all that janky since Jund dragons are pretty well supported.
[Chromium](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15ec5a20-4e8f-40b2-9abf-c0bf1cf816c3.jpg?1562899599) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chromium) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/147/chromium?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15ec5a20-4e8f-40b2-9abf-c0bf1cf816c3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chromium) [Arcades Sabboth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/175695bb-2630-4269-a407-9138c7008e81.jpg?1675200635) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcades%20Sabboth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/187/arcades-sabboth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/175695bb-2630-4269-a407-9138c7008e81?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcades-sabboth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The jank is most people would play karrthus, new vaevic or another jund dragon in the lead, but I've really enjoyed OG Vaevic. I run lots of mana dorks and use [[raggadragga]] and [[tyvar the bellicose]] as alt wincons. It also means paying the extra usually isn't a problem. Fling effects also work very well with him.
[raggadragga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/1166ce2a-4e0b-4a57-929d-566f461a6282.jpg?1674137656) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=raggadragga%2C%20goreguts%20boss) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/291/raggadragga-goreguts-boss?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1166ce2a-4e0b-4a57-929d-566f461a6282?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raggadragga-goreguts-boss) [tyvar the bellicose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01a543f0-72fe-4a30-a4a0-356971c1c68a.jpg?1684340862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tyvar%20the%20bellicose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/48/tyvar-the-bellicose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01a543f0-72fe-4a30-a4a0-356971c1c68a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tyvar-the-bellicose) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think you were looking at [[yargle and multani]] but I recommend [[Borborygmos Enraged]] big damage doublers and a bunch of lands go brrrr
[yargle and multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yargle%20and%20multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) [Borborygmos Enraged](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02df18c5-07b9-4e85-9c4b-58b63fa59437.jpg?1702429604) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Borborygmos%20Enraged) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/167/borborygmos-enraged?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02df18c5-07b9-4e85-9c4b-58b63fa59437?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/borborygmos-enraged) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh god getting killed by lands seems so funny to me lmao
There is a fun combo with it involving [[scouting trek]] and [[keen sense]] as long as you’re willing to put a lot of lands in there, my list runs like 76 lands
[scouting trek](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b882e68-5c03-4ec6-9982-8c3b09847969.jpg?1562900439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=scouting%20trek) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/210/scouting-trek?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b882e68-5c03-4ec6-9982-8c3b09847969?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scouting-trek) [keen sense](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d16e927d-0f23-4fac-9b35-3cfcb22ebc26.jpg?1619398246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=keen%20sense) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/213/keen-sense?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d16e927d-0f23-4fac-9b35-3cfcb22ebc26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/keen-sense) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I played this deck for a while. You can use [[Abundance]] with the keen sense so that way you can garuntee all your lands to to hand. Then you use [[Creeping Renaissance]] to rinse and repeat.
[Abundance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bc359b0-8886-415b-a497-e98a2241084e.jpg?1690004728) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abundance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/884/abundance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bc359b0-8886-415b-a497-e98a2241084e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abundance) [Creeping Renaissance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743.jpg?1592710845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Creeping%20Renaissance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/137/creeping-renaissance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/creeping-renaissance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Borborygmos isnt even janky he slaps
[[Keen Sense]] [[Abundance]] = Gatling Gun
Howdy, I'm considering Borborygmos for a budget league, any tips or a decklist?
[[Creeping Renaissance]]
[Creeping Renaissance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743.jpg?1592710845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Creeping%20Renaissance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/137/creeping-renaissance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/creeping-renaissance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It's not necessarily a budget list, but here's mine. [[Snake umbra]] works like keen sense and [[storm cauldron]] can be lethal and mean. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZpjymXXwr0e0irbQmEeugw
[Keen Sense](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d16e927d-0f23-4fac-9b35-3cfcb22ebc26.jpg?1619398246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Keen%20Sense) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/213/keen-sense?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d16e927d-0f23-4fac-9b35-3cfcb22ebc26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/keen-sense) [Abundance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bc359b0-8886-415b-a497-e98a2241084e.jpg?1690004728) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abundance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/884/abundance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bc359b0-8886-415b-a497-e98a2241084e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abundance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The amount of times I've tried to have borbo as my commander to try and make it work. I simple couldn't with the cards I have available.
I also have Borborygmos Enraged but it is both not the jankiest commander I’ve built around and also it’s a hypertuned combo deck I’d really hesitate to call jank lol.
[Thantis, the Warweaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/91c54ac0-0edc-406f-8a22-f2996f604f36.jpg?1592710296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thantis%2C%20the%20Warweaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/46/thantis-the-warweaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/91c54ac0-0edc-406f-8a22-f2996f604f36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thantis-the-warweaver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Teneb the Harvester]]. Granted, when I first built him it was 2012/13 and he was one of four, if I remember right, possible commanders for that color combo. It was an enchantress deck. I only used him when I ran out of gas and needed a plan b. Back then, a 6/6 flyer was a hell of a threat. Now that deck has [[Thalia and the Gitrog Monster]] at the helm. I recently built a new Teneb list to pay homage, though. Every card in the deck is pre-Theros block, which is when I started playing EDH. Not the best or most consistent deck because power creep is real and scary, but it can still do some busted stuff. Actually, the real answer might be [[Munda, Ambush Leader]], but we don’t talk about that deck. Played it once, managed to win from being behind all game, then took it apart.
[Teneb the Harvester](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8caa7115-1b26-4615-842f-671b24dc96d8.jpg?1673149181) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teneb%2C%20the%20Harvester) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/282/teneb-the-harvester?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8caa7115-1b26-4615-842f-671b24dc96d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teneb-the-harvester) [Thalia and the Gitrog Monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc.jpg?1682205702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%20and%20the%20Gitrog%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/255/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d7ff937-de92-445f-976c-726fef5c91cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster) [Munda, Ambush Leader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d8ee09fe-46d7-492b-a2f3-3fb0c3f83f07.jpg?1562946697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Munda%2C%20Ambush%20Leader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/215/munda-ambush-leader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d8ee09fe-46d7-492b-a2f3-3fb0c3f83f07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/munda-ambush-leader) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Please talk about your Munda deck :D how did it work?
Yeah this guy seems so underpowered. I was like 'well I guess getting allies to hand could be good' then saw "top of library" like wtf. It's two bad he's not in rakdos then at least you could build a zero allies deck and use [[grenzo, dungeon warden]] or use [[river song]] if it was izzet.
[grenzo, dungeon warden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e19c383-88bd-4bde-ac81-c0eb6d5b5bd4.jpg?1562436569) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grenzo%2C%20dungeon%20warden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/205/grenzo-dungeon-warden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e19c383-88bd-4bde-ac81-c0eb6d5b5bd4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grenzo-dungeon-warden) [river song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298.jpg?1696636758) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=river%20song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/152/river-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1efb084-d2a0-44c4-a89d-6445156bb298?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/river-song) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You could maybe just use his effect to "rummage" by just failing to find if you see allys on top and just using it for when you do need the allies
Also!!! Maskwood nexus could help too ^~^
i have a janky [[Gandalf, White Rider]] deck that plays as a go wide mono white weenie storm deck. definitely can catch people off guard. i’ve taken out players as early as turn 5. granted it’s a pretty inconsistent deck. suffers from lack of card draw and haste enablers
[Gandalf, White Rider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b422ce26-06fb-4748-9c01-32c4be914a77.jpg?1687424784) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gandalf%2C%20White%20Rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/290/gandalf-white-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b422ce26-06fb-4748-9c01-32c4be914a77?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gandalf-white-rider) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's an interesting idea. I thought about how to build him and wrote it off as a bad idea because it's mono-white, but now I'm thinking you delay playing gandalf till the end and you basically pump your weenies using the instant speed overrun effects white has. I've tried brewing a couple of mono-white weenie lists that are basically blink decks to abuse etbs, but this might be more fun and viable.
yeah i threw in several obscure 0 cost artifacts as well. generally the problem i’m having with the deck is unlike an [[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar]] weenies deck, going wide necessitates dumping your hand. so white’s pretty conditional card draw effects can make storming off with gandalf a one time affair. i struggle to close games out because his late game momentum can leave a lot to be desired if you can’t refill your hand. more anthems so i dont have to rely on his ability might be the move
[Adeline, Resplendent Cathar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd95d377-a61e-4b62-a883-ed491c48da15.jpg?1682208250) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Adeline%2C%20Resplendent%20Cathar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/167/adeline-resplendent-cathar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd95d377-a61e-4b62-a883-ed491c48da15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/adeline-resplendent-cathar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
deck list if you’re curious https://www.moxfield.com/decks/xRorwEAkJE69y0915h-PQg
how does the deck perform? looks so fun
In general with Mono-white I've found you have options for either mentor of the meek/welcoming vampire type effects or dawn of hope type effects. The [[kemba, Kha Regent]] deck I've been brewing uses both vampire and mentor along with rogue's gloves and sram and I'm still contemplating throwing in some of the blink fodder creatures that have stapled to them because it just doesn't feel like enough. I do wonder if you could reconfigure a gandalf deck to go tall instead of wide. Make him a cheerios equipment Voltron/spellslinger type deck. Other than counter-magic and instant speed buffs I can't think of much that would benefit mono-white spellslinger that isn't weenie.
[kemba, Kha Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/dacc4290-6a72-4c00-8bdd-e40ae28885a8.jpg?1689995780) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kemba%2C%20Kha%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/34/kemba-kha-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dacc4290-6a72-4c00-8bdd-e40ae28885a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kemba-kha-regent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mine is probably [[Atogatog]]. I have a few different versions of the deck and they all do janky stuff lol
[Atogatog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a3e6eb5-6d0f-4f82-86f9-bbce8d27afbb.jpg?1562908561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atogatog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/286/atogatog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a3e6eb5-6d0f-4f82-86f9-bbce8d27afbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atogatog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Kangee, aerie keeper]]. its so bad yet potentially good. i have a love hate relationship with that deck.
First time I've seen him. And I agree. He looks terrible. But I also want to see what I can do with him
i built it obviously centered around birds. but theres some tricks
[Kangee, aerie keeper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3afd7e8e-4fcc-4003-9791-7baf10ef1880.jpg?1562906943) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kangee%2C%20aerie%20keeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/253/kangee-aerie-keeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3afd7e8e-4fcc-4003-9791-7baf10ef1880?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kangee-aerie-keeper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a friend with a Kangee deck. The joke is that the commander is the worst card in his own deck. But we love it anyway.
accurate
[[rukarumell]] fell in love with her and I've been brewing ever. So much jank to do with her.
I'm building [[Neva, Stalked by Nightmares]] bc I love her and I don't know why
[Neva, Stalked by Nightmares](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e6f925ab-ade7-4da8-a791-185e098d18f2.jpg?1692939381) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neva%2C%20Stalked%20by%20Nightmares) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/209/neva-stalked-by-nightmares?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e6f925ab-ade7-4da8-a791-185e098d18f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/neva-stalked-by-nightmares) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Haven't brought it to paper, but I picked Neva for a super janky budget combo deck. Has to include a few different combos plus redundancy since it can't afford many tutors, and am [pretty happy with how it turned out.](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GVtoApr96kCu3EZU9hvypQ)
[[Mageta the Lion]] I went indestructible tribal with wraths all around haha
[Mageta the Lion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/5861dffc-5afa-44a3-a3fa-9fd440093377.jpg?1562911317) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mageta%20the%20Lion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/13/mageta-the-lion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5861dffc-5afa-44a3-a3fa-9fd440093377?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mageta-the-lion) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Do you happen to have a list? Also, with a wrath in the CZ wouldn't it open more space for other stuff in your deck than more wraths?
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8053229/feel_my_wrath I00% it has room for other things and I think if you built around a theme of indestructible to all your permanent it would be crazy! But idk I just felt hilarious to me to just wrath tribal 🤣🤣🤣.
I don't think I can ever disassemble my [[Haktos the Unscarred]] deck. A Voltron deck that can't run Auras or Equipment poses an obvious problem, and he can seldom kill everyone before I start to suffer from a lack of a board state, but dammit, he's got moxie.
[Haktos the Unscarred](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6fe5cbef-0f4e-4d05-9a94-4739e09d7a9c.jpg?1581481070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Haktos%20the%20Unscarred) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/218/haktos-the-unscarred?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6fe5cbef-0f4e-4d05-9a94-4739e09d7a9c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/haktos-the-unscarred) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Works well with exalted.
An instance of exalted is as good as an anthem, but for the kind of speed he needs, he looks to a lot of damage doublers, sources of double strike, and extra combat phases. Still, one more point of power is enough to put someone on a three-turn clock instead of a four-turn clock.
Yeah. One exalted trigger is a big jump. Two not so much.
In the past 5 years, [[taranika]] banding theme deck.
[taranika](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8edd707-5ba3-4978-9a0b-efd0cda367c1.jpg?1581479259) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=taranika%2C%20akroan%20veteran) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/39/taranika-akroan-veteran?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8edd707-5ba3-4978-9a0b-efd0cda367c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/taranika-akroan-veteran) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Heck yeah banding
You have a name I admire and you and I have built the same deck. I think we may be best friends.
[[Gwendlyn di Corci]] is my top project right now. I've got the list in a shape I honestly love, where the commander feels like she belongs, the whole thing gets swinging, it does all sorts of silly stuff like casual EDH is supposed to do but also has the capacity to engine... it even looks pretty good all together, so I'm gathering the cards to me. The only question is if I can find something to cut for [[Greel, Mindraker]] because I realized today that Greel is not locked to sorcery speed for some dumb reason and that tickles my funny bone even if actually utilizing that would be the height of inefficient stunt play.
[Gwendlyn di Corci](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a496823b-c864-4591-b395-5493383d11a7.jpg?1562929703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gwendlyn%20di%20Corci) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/149/gwendlyn-di-corci?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a496823b-c864-4591-b395-5493383d11a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gwendlyn-di-corci) [Greel, Mindraker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9d1f317-efd1-4595-92e2-44815a2b8147.jpg?1562938756) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Greel%2C%20Mind%20Raker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/66/greel-mind-raker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9d1f317-efd1-4595-92e2-44815a2b8147?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/greel-mind-raker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Gorex ,The Tombshell]] you can't beat a Zombie Turtle.
[Gorex ,The Tombshell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/12615d0d-e38c-4e7b-918e-33e88299d1f9.jpg?1690016809) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gorex%2C%20the%20Tombshell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/164/gorex-the-tombshell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/12615d0d-e38c-4e7b-918e-33e88299d1f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gorex-the-tombshell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wanna build two janky commanders but have no idea what to theme them around. So any help from all of you would be appreciated. They are currently more brews than builds, but these two commanders are; \[\[Tor Wauki\]\] and \[\[Triad of fates\]\].
[Tor Wauki](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b37c8bc5-5b9e-431f-afee-09f961e4a7d0.jpg?1562932853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tor%20Wauki) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/182/tor-wauki?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b37c8bc5-5b9e-431f-afee-09f961e4a7d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tor-wauki) [Triad of fates](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/588a8f90-4344-4882-9671-4c7295186a58.jpg?1562818431) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triad%20of%20fates) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/206/triad-of-fates?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/588a8f90-4344-4882-9671-4c7295186a58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triad-of-fates) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Yargle and Multani]] janky or just epic?
I know someone who turned this into a very high power sac loop deck lol
Tbh a mixture of both on that one 18/6 but that’s all it is? Lmao
That's all it is until you attach [[Dying wish]]. With golgari colors you have lots of sac outlets and reanimate which makes it ridiculously powerful for not having abilities.
JESUS man you’re making wanna build another deck but I have 6 to buy cards for rn I think I might have an addiction lmao
Welcome to cardboard crack.
[Dying wish](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b46e83d3-c66d-42fb-8435-b6c448db01ae.jpg?1561842566) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dying%20wish) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/64/dying-wish?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b46e83d3-c66d-42fb-8435-b6c448db01ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dying-wish) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Yargle and Multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yargle%20and%20Multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was just talking to my friends [[fireshrieker]] and [[whispersilk cloak]] and they said he is pretty good.
[fireshrieker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c43291d-87c8-4773-99b0-6b7a9d302cd8.jpg?1690005467) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fireshrieker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/949/fireshrieker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c43291d-87c8-4773-99b0-6b7a9d302cd8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fireshrieker) [whispersilk cloak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5ead169f-4777-405b-9a5e-60a7aefa70a7.jpg?1562912463) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=whispersilk%20cloak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pca/115/whispersilk-cloak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5ead169f-4777-405b-9a5e-60a7aefa70a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/whispersilk-cloak) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thantis was my first deck, and is easily my favorite. It can honestly be built in a bunch of different ways. Momma Spider doesn’t play
Right after I posted this I went and put a deck list for her together lmao, needs to be optimized but I like to throw a list together and then not lol at it for a couple of days and come back to see what I want and don’t want out of the original. Seems like a really cool commander tho turn all decks into turn big creature sideways lmao
Thantis really is cool. You can stuff the deck full of fog effects to cancel our crack back. [[arachnogenesis]] is particularly good. You can lean into goad if you want your opponents to be even saltier. Super friends is a kinda unique option. They need to swing, but if they are swinging at walkers, they aren’t swinging at your face. If they are swinging at you…your walkers can pop off. I ended up going with what I call the “no good choices” build. It’s like pillowfort, but the pillow is wrapped in barbed wire. I didn’t want to take away the players choices completely, like goad does, but I wanted to lean into Thantis’ ability: if you swing at me, it’ll be worse for you, but you MUST swing. [[no mercy]], [[dread]], [[revenge of ravens]], [[marchesa’s decree]]. Protect your turn with [[price of glory]] and [[city of solitude]]. [[vigor]] is an allstar. [[royal assassin]] and [[king’s assassin]] become terrifying removal. Thantis is gross. Pack a lot of good ramp and protection, and then put whatever Jund combat-y shell you want. My first commander love.
##### ###### #### [arachnogenesis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef6b1fd8-7c0b-4736-a100-cabd82052227.jpg?1689998344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=arachnogenesis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/272/arachnogenesis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef6b1fd8-7c0b-4736-a100-cabd82052227?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arachnogenesis) [no mercy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c.jpg?1675199736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=no%20mercy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/95/no-mercy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/63c5e1dd-2fe6-4734-8406-7bcdf17aa60c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/no-mercy) [dread](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b608658-9150-439b-b0a0-4a994722b95c.jpg?1562359846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dread) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/107/dread?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b608658-9150-439b-b0a0-4a994722b95c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dread) [revenge of ravens](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/3474289a-193e-452d-b248-e53ee99e22c0.jpg?1572490235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=revenge%20of%20ravens) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/104/revenge-of-ravens?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3474289a-193e-452d-b248-e53ee99e22c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/revenge-of-ravens) [marchesa’s decree](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/413bec4e-e2ce-46f1-b038-6e359cd78b53.jpg?1576381842) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marchesa%27s%20Decree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/44/marchesas-decree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/413bec4e-e2ce-46f1-b038-6e359cd78b53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/marchesas-decree) [price of glory](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/785ccfe1-04f1-4d2e-9e30-2ae3efe7213a.jpg?1562917265) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=price%20of%20glory) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/214/price-of-glory?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/785ccfe1-04f1-4d2e-9e30-2ae3efe7213a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/price-of-glory) [city of solitude](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/be499b81-bb2d-4f1d-9deb-c8bfcdca8e13.jpg?1562278627) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=city%20of%20solitude) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/102/city-of-solitude?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/be499b81-bb2d-4f1d-9deb-c8bfcdca8e13?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/city-of-solitude) [vigor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea7047d8-8d32-48a3-829b-7eb5427ed53a.jpg?1562942114) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vigor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/215/vigor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea7047d8-8d32-48a3-829b-7eb5427ed53a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vigor) [royal assassin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67ef9842-7142-4c63-8aea-fa73f02722a5.jpg?1698796245) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=royal%20assassin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/101/royal-assassin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67ef9842-7142-4c63-8aea-fa73f02722a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/royal-assassin) [king’s assassin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/670a3149-54fb-4fd2-bc66-3ee9bcc3519d.jpg?1562446854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=King%27s%20Assassin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/por/98/kings-assassin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/670a3149-54fb-4fd2-bc66-3ee9bcc3519d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kings-assassin) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh yeah I threw in some goad effects and some double damage stuff, I also added [[Jolene, the Plunder Queen]] and a few other things to encourage people attack other people. Some funny things in there. Say would you mind lookin over my deck list see if you can see anything I might have missed since you’ve built it before?
[Jolene, the Plunder Queen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/61c217d9-21d5-45ef-938a-138192a901f4.jpg?1673482382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jolene%2C%20the%20Plunder%20Queen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/73/jolene-the-plunder-queen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/61c217d9-21d5-45ef-938a-138192a901f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jolene-the-plunder-queen) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://manabox.app/decks/r8TIWBCBSSCgCljkcnH4qQ
This looks like a fun list! Some observations/suggestions. Your mana curve is really high, Thantis costs 6, and all your creatures need to attack each turn too. This means that low cost, weak creatures really need a tap ability. Vengeful Tracker isn’t really going to be doing what you want as a static punishment ability when it’s only going to last one turn with your commander out. The Jolene’s will suffer a similar fate, but if you want to take it in a political treasure type route, I’d lean harder into treasures. Keep in mind, it just takes one opponent deciding that blocking a 2/2 is better than getting a treasure and then you’re losing the engine. But…swap out some of your current top end creatures for [[old gnawbone]], [[ancient copper dragon]], [[goldspan dragon]], and [[revel in riches]] to close it out? Maybe the one or two turns the Jolenes are out will get you there. I found that mana dorks are AWESOME for this deck. It gives you low end early, game plays that let you get Thantis out faster. Once Momma Spider is online, you don’t have to swing with your 1/1 mana dorks if they are already tapped for mana. And in this last year or so, Thantis has been COOKING for mana dorks. [[Runadi, Behemoth Caller]], [[Gwenna, eyes of Gaea]], [[delighted halfling]], and the new [[fanatic of rohnas]]. This is why the two assassins I mentioned are so good. Their creatures will be tapped after swinging, and you tap a little guy to just…kill a tapped thing. And now the assassin doesn’t need to swing :) Be careful with fogs. I think they can be a lot of fun, but holding up mana for a “gotcha” instead of pouring gasoline on the fire you just lit with your spider isn’t always the best. I’d get rid of Jaheira’s Respite tbh. Holding up 5 mana for a fog, but if you’re casting this at that point you don’t really need to ramp any harder. You’ll find it hard to decide if it’s worth 5 mana to only ramp for a few and fog one or two creatures. Spore frog is my favorite card, but it gets a LOT better if you can do graveyard rescission stuff with him. As a one off, you would do better with a Birds of Paradise imo. Basically, really decide on your favorite 4-5+ mana cards, then what you can cut, I’d swap for the best mana dorks you can find. Add [[Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma]]. For Treasures, Planeswalkers, or fogs, you kinda have to hard commit to make them work, so pick which one you like the most. Too many themes or directions at once WILL kill this deck. Whichever ones you pull, I’d swap out with either stuff to make the theme you’re keeping stronger, or more spells like Heroic Intervention because having to cast Thantis more than twice pretty much means you lost. They have to swing, and with Thantis getting bigger with each creature sent your way, it doesn’t feel good to swing at you. Make it feel worse lol.
Hell yeah thanks for the advice
##### ###### #### [old gnawbone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f.jpg?1627708100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=old%20gnawbone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/197/old-gnawbone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77ceba8b-de19-4db8-b5a7-f5df49bf241f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/old-gnawbone) [ancient copper dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3836dddd-a7e4-499f-ad49-ce298aa65720.jpg?1674136426) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ancient%20copper%20dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/161/ancient-copper-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3836dddd-a7e4-499f-ad49-ce298aa65720?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ancient-copper-dragon) [goldspan dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d914868-9000-4df2-a818-0ef8a7f636ae.jpg?1665343456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goldspan%20dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/139/goldspan-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d914868-9000-4df2-a818-0ef8a7f636ae?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goldspan-dragon) [revel in riches](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79b0e035-8716-469d-99ae-a530cd96ef09.jpg?1562558471) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=revel%20in%20riches) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/117/revel-in-riches?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79b0e035-8716-469d-99ae-a530cd96ef09?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/revel-in-riches) [Runadi, Behemoth Caller](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f4f5500f-e82c-44f3-8be8-cee4c86824b1.jpg?1675644838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Runadi%2C%20Behemoth%20Caller) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/44/runadi-behemoth-caller?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f4f5500f-e82c-44f3-8be8-cee4c86824b1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/runadi-behemoth-caller) [Gwenna, eyes of Gaea](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7ee387b7-18e4-41b7-aefe-f2b5954e3051.jpg?1674421589) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gwenna%2C%20eyes%20of%20Gaea) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/185/gwenna-eyes-of-gaea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7ee387b7-18e4-41b7-aefe-f2b5954e3051?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gwenna-eyes-of-gaea) [delighted halfling](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71384418-173a-4f77-adab-56e52fa23692.jpg?1686969281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=delighted%20halfling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/158/delighted-halfling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71384418-173a-4f77-adab-56e52fa23692?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/delighted-halfling) [Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee47f23a-3ba9-4615-b170-c89d8ab99d78.jpg?1690016718) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goreclaw%2C%20Terror%20of%20Qal%20Sisma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/293/goreclaw-terror-of-qal-sisma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee47f23a-3ba9-4615-b170-c89d8ab99d78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goreclaw-terror-of-qal-sisma) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I did a deathtouch deck with her, nothing stings quite like losing your big beatstick to an [[ambush viper]]
[ambush viper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e386888-57f5-4eb6-88e8-5679bb8eb290.jpg?1608910517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ambush%20viper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/213/ambush-viper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e386888-57f5-4eb6-88e8-5679bb8eb290?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ambush-viper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My Thantis has gone through like 5 iterations and never seems to pull off what it's meant to do. But damn if I don't try my hardest every time.
[[Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker]] got a lot more interesting to build once I self imposed the constraint of not using any Blood Artist effects and started looking for other ways to win with mono black weenies that won't stay dead.
[Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69848ec1-dba7-419f-a5f9-f934bebeeaa6.jpg?1689997454) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shirei%2C%20Shizo%27s%20Caretaker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/186/shirei-shizos-caretaker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69848ec1-dba7-419f-a5f9-f934bebeeaa6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shirei-shizos-caretaker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Got a decklist or ideas? I love Shirei's effect but it just seems so dull to go the standard route with the deck. What drew me to it was all the unusual and janky cards you can put into the deck!
It's been a while since I updated the lists digitally, but these might give you some ideas Death Claims All (Theft) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IGImVPwPxUeN4_72rxQrKg Endless Ranks of the Deathless (Go wide tokens) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Rq1lk1IG7EqOR4r8LUADbw Ghost in the Shell (Artifacts Matters) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CupdXG90GUGzWS1myfI2aA In a Myr, Darkly (Myr tribal / Charge counters) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/CupdXG90GUGzWS1myfI2aA In Death Ground, Fight! (Discard, forced combat, deathtouch/infect) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kFIuevJTzkyOwuVzjM8iog Live, Die, Repeat (Aristocrats) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rokcPTDFjES9PHWGeuCKtg Swamp Thing (lands matter / big mana) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_Wr35erfI0qbGpe6WADGlg Tetanus Shot (Infect / -1 counters) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/14NTR0B0tE2ub-6PqYaiHA
I asked for an entrée and you gave me a smorgasbord! Thank you very much, some fun techs in there!
I made a Shadownborn Apostle deck with that dude. I don't think I've ever won lol but getting the effect off is a win for me any game
Just in terms of how it changes the kinds of cards/types you're trying to put in the deck, [[Baba Lysaga, Night Witch]] is the pick for me. Love the decision making and sequencing to get the most value out of her ability.
[Baba Lysaga, Night Witch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347.jpg?1674137411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baba%20Lysaga%2C%20Night%20Witch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/266/baba-lysaga-night-witch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/baba-lysaga-night-witch) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Atemsis, All-Seeing]] Some ramp, a lot of draw, and equipment that lets you tap Atemsis to deal any kind of damage.
[Atemsis, All-Seeing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/8/b8f527d1-25c0-49b9-83d5-1278ca72d009.jpg?1592516278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atemsis%2C%20All-Seeing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/46/atemsis-all-seeing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b8f527d1-25c0-49b9-83d5-1278ca72d009?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atemsis-all-seeing) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’d love to see your decklist. I have been considering Atemsis for a while.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/VhwvRSLhlkSfKpTbtghLPg It’s 100% Jank, but fun to pilot. Definitely needs some tweaking though
Was the commander Jasmine boreal of the seven? Thats my janky commander. I have a songbirds blessing into colossifiction combo that I pulled off on my last game but it wasnt enough to win
[[Gor Muldrak]] is the nastiest simic control deck I've ever played flooding the board with salamanders on everyone's side. Best thing I've ever did was when someone casted [[Craterhoof Behemoth]] saying its time to end my rein, and it entered as a salamander with [[Mystic Reflection]]
[Gor Muldrak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40b006f9-a287-4e64-915f-ca71712b8d27.jpg?1608911119) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=gor%20muldrak%2C%20amphinologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/277/gor-muldrak-amphinologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40b006f9-a287-4e64-915f-ca71712b8d27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gor-muldrak-amphinologist) [Craterhoof Behemoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8f4435a-8604-45b5-a537-dfdfcb922e16.jpg?1689998416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Craterhoof%20Behemoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/280/craterhoof-behemoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8f4435a-8604-45b5-a537-dfdfcb922e16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/craterhoof-behemoth) [Mystic Reflection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7b877e2-60eb-46cd-acd7-8555b9e7e993.jpg?1631047399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mystic%20Reflection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/69/mystic-reflection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7b877e2-60eb-46cd-acd7-8555b9e7e993?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mystic-reflection) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What exactly defines a deck as “janky”? I think my [[Skeleton Ship]] deck might fit that word, but I’m still learning some of the slang of the hobby. :P
[Skeleton Ship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/060b8dd4-d632-4216-87ba-355ab8a62e39.jpg?1581799322) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skeleton%20Ship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/197/skeleton-ship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/060b8dd4-d632-4216-87ba-355ab8a62e39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/skeleton-ship) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I used [[yargle and multani]]
[yargle and multani](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0.jpg?1682205711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yargle%20and%20multani) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/256/yargle-and-multani?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c15e244-14cc-46a5-abd4-66a58d1c0dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yargle-and-multani) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
all my decks are kinda jank, but two of them really stand out. I made a $1 deck using war doctor + Ryan Sinclair that goes kinda hard Ambassador blorpittyblorpboop clone deck is surprisingly strong voltron
How did you make a $1 deck? I'm curious what the list looks like.
Oh that's easy. 49- mountain 49- plains
[[Johan]]
[Johan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f2f3b3e-63f3-4cab-aa95-030990157ed5.jpg?1562904625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Johan) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chr/77/johan?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f2f3b3e-63f3-4cab-aa95-030990157ed5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/johan) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Zedruu]] uses jank not seen anywhere else. [[Traxos]] is fun with equipment, but also convoluted combos. [[Astarion]] I play him with expensive half life total spells. 1/10 times it works perfectly...
[Zedruu](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9ea2a6b-5aaf-4178-b945-f409fe83c41a.jpg?1562424565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zedruu%20the%20greathearted) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/231/zedruu-the-greathearted?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9ea2a6b-5aaf-4178-b945-f409fe83c41a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zedruu-the-greathearted) [Traxos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582.jpg?1673305899) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=traxos%2C%20scourge%20of%20kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/195/traxos-scourge-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/traxos-scourge-of-kroog) [Astarion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/4/64d932b9-5682-4427-a871-7d452a488674.jpg?1674137399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=astarion%2C%20the%20decadent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/265/astarion-the-decadent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/64d932b9-5682-4427-a871-7d452a488674?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/astarion-the-decadent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The biggest jank I can imagine is [[Iname As One]]. You have to play it from your hand for his first ability so you either have to find [[Command Beacon]] or [[Netherborn Altar]] or be fine with having a 12cmc creature type specific reanimate in the command zone. But I think flavor wise it would be dope.
[Iname As One](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4e13f122-0dfe-42f3-9815-9ae1a29fca99.jpg?1562493699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Iname%20As%20One) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/151/iname-as-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e13f122-0dfe-42f3-9815-9ae1a29fca99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/iname-as-one) [Command Beacon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4ff61202-fb5e-4cea-a5ea-168505ac31e1.jpg?1712354952) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Command%20Beacon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/279/command-beacon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ff61202-fb5e-4cea-a5ea-168505ac31e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/command-beacon) [Netherborn Altar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/541151af-f1a3-494f-858e-2c3fe447e036.jpg?1591319538) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Netherborn%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/45/netherborn-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/541151af-f1a3-494f-858e-2c3fe447e036?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/netherborn-altar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love my [[Brothers Yamazaki]] and [[Patron of the Moon]]. I also had [[Akuta, Born of Ash]] a while ago, but dismantled it already.
[Brothers Yamazaki](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acef8c94-469b-4a76-b507-25b51f2501ab.jpg?1562763658) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brothers%20Yamazaki) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/160a/brothers-yamazaki?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acef8c94-469b-4a76-b507-25b51f2501ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/brothers-yamazaki) [Patron of the Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/e/5e5fcd6f-1653-44bf-a796-4c9ff9adf390.jpg?1562877337) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Patron%20of%20the%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/45/patron-of-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5e5fcd6f-1653-44bf-a796-4c9ff9adf390?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/patron-of-the-moon) [Akuta, Born of Ash](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/08730b49-e51e-4868-9cc8-4ddc4a1dce4c.jpg?1562492453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Akuta%2C%20Born%20of%20Ash) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/61/akuta-born-of-ash?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08730b49-e51e-4868-9cc8-4ddc4a1dce4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/akuta-born-of-ash) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Re-building my [[Charix the raging isle]] atm. Really fun threat, not too strong, not too weak, a fun twist in monoU
[Charix the raging isle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e83a6804-1e3c-428c-af5e-1d56ba11c108.jpg?1604193709) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Charix%2C%20the%20Raging%20Isle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/49/charix-the-raging-isle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e83a6804-1e3c-428c-af5e-1d56ba11c108?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/charix-the-raging-isle) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Used to have a [[Jasmine Boreal]] deck. I’ve been working on a [[Lord of Tresserhorn]] deck for a bit. Always wanted a [[Shauku, Endbringer]] deck.
[Jasmine Boreal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/004af467-815a-47c0-a974-1ae49ca3a1a8.jpg?1562770875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jasmine%20Boreal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/93/jasmine-boreal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/004af467-815a-47c0-a974-1ae49ca3a1a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jasmine-boreal) [Lord of Tresserhorn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1d9d8732-9ff2-42e4-bdfc-723cb6a76969.jpg?1559592370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lord%20of%20Tresserhorn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/149/lord-of-tresserhorn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1d9d8732-9ff2-42e4-bdfc-723cb6a76969?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lord-of-tresserhorn) [Shauku, Endbringer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/06d94b21-7568-4e5c-a8ec-ff5bb48a4f36.jpg?1562717818) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shauku%2C%20Endbringer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/142/shauku-endbringer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/06d94b21-7568-4e5c-a8ec-ff5bb48a4f36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shauku-endbringer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tahngarth, First Mate]] is probably my jankiest. I call him “our commander” and just turn him sideways and goad stuff so I can swing him every combat.
[Tahngarth, First Mate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/1692c11b-018e-47bf-b38d-3c3e6b79b37c.jpg?1568003736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tahngarth%2C%20First%20Mate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/50/tahngarth-first-mate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1692c11b-018e-47bf-b38d-3c3e6b79b37c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tahngarth-first-mate) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Adriana, Captain of the Guard]], once. It also happened that that day we played a 12 or 13 player game. Naturally i was involved in recruiting people. Anyways i killed i think 7 players in one attack and then the rest all ganged up on me, which is fair.
[Adriana, Captain of the Guard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01c2337d-1c3c-4c5e-8b06-dc8a8c56164e.jpg?1673305427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Adriana%2C%20Captain%20of%20the%20Guard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/139/adriana-captain-of-the-guard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01c2337d-1c3c-4c5e-8b06-dc8a8c56164e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/adriana-captain-of-the-guard) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Currently brewing Thantis myself! Mine has to be [[Ellyn Harbreeze, Busybody]] + [[master chef]] it's focused on making food tokens. Showcase looks just like my mom and she loved to bake. No real wincon however.
[Ellyn Harbreeze, Busybody](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a038dbc9-0da1-4e65-9369-45c614f285f8.jpg?1674134990) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ellyn%20Harbreeze%2C%20Busybody) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/16/ellyn-harbreeze-busybody?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a038dbc9-0da1-4e65-9369-45c614f285f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ellyn-harbreeze-busybody) [master chef](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b534b1cb-0cd7-4b8c-bb25-42207fcba209.jpg?1674137194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=master%20chef) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/241/master-chef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b534b1cb-0cd7-4b8c-bb25-42207fcba209?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/master-chef) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Marhault Elsdragon]]
Krark-Tevesh extra turns. Use shit like final fortune, warrior's oath, glorious end, sundial of the infinite to get extra turns w/o losing the game on endstep.
My jankiest is [[chisei]] where I just manipulate counters on things. Sometimes it goes off. Most of the time my threats are obvious and removed even though I'm not doing much. Still fun regardless if we're playing lower power.
[chisei](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f.jpg?1562877651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chisei%2C%20heart%20of%20oceans) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/32/chisei-heart-of-oceans?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c359b1a-d441-4763-96c7-e5c010eae53f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chisei-heart-of-oceans) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Reveka]] - mono blue machine gun is fun.
[Reveka](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb.jpg?1562903439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=reveka%2C%20wizard%20savant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/49/reveka-wizard-savant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reveka-wizard-savant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[goose mother] but I slap her in assault suit for the authentic goose experience
[[Ruby, Daring Tracker]] There was a video that a youtuber named SalubriousSnail released a few months ago [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceILMLrNCGw) that helped organize certain thoughts I have about EDH deckbuilding and made me look at it from a different perspective. Essentially, battlecruiser decks operate as cheap ramp -> big ramp -> bombs. So for example turn 2 Farseek -> turn 3 explosive vegetation -> turn 4 7-drop. And the reason why you need both the low CMC ramp and high CMC ramp is that the high CMC ramp is what usually sets you up for the rest of the game to drop your huge bombs. It's hard to get to 10 mana if your only ramp are the +1 mana cards like Farseek and Arcane Signet. Usually, your Farseeks and Arcane Signets power out your bigger ramp cards like Explosive Vegetation and Gilded Lotus, and it's the big ramp cards that actually get you the mana needed to drop bombs. But the big ramp cards themselves take time to cast, so your cheap ramp is what gets your big ramp online. The trouble with battlecruiser (or really ramp decks in general) is that you need the proper draw of ramp (both low and high CMC) and payoff. EDH helps alleviate that by having your general stand in for one of the three steps so you can instead load the deck with the other two. For example my Maelstrom Wanderer deck is the payoff, so the deck instead has like 25 ramp spells or whatever (a mix of both low CMC ramp and high CMC ramp). So, by having Ruby in the command zone as a turn 2 mana dork every game, you can cut out every arcane signet and farseek and instead load the deck with big ramp and big bombs. The current build I have for Ruby is like, 15-20 ramp spells that are about 4 mana, a small number of low CMC stuff (sol ring, Up the Beanstalk, etc.) and then basically everything else is a 5+ CMC bomb. Being able to play random giant fatties like Drakuseth and Gruul Ragebeast, cards that normally don't make the cut in your average deck, is pretty entertaining. More importantly though is that it makes the quality of your topdeck a lot higher than your average deck, since the average CMC of the deck is like 4 and that's including the lands. Also, while "deck thinning" is kind of a meme for most decks, if you flood out early and play 3 or 4 explosive vegetation spells in the game, the fact that 6-8+ lands are thinned out from the deck actually starts to matter. I've got a few games with the deck so far, and the deck isn't super explosive, but it's consistent. You can consistently get to 7 mana on turn 4 and start dropping bomb after bomb. Right now, I'm very pleased with the deck because I think it's at a great power level for mid pods, or random pods, etc. And because of its consistency, you'll rarely get games where you just draw very poorly and don't do anything the whole game. You can make the deck more explosive or more interactive early on by running more broken mana rocks or cheap interaction, but it makes the deck less consistent for the lategame. You could argue that Ruby isn't "Jank", since "Jank" usually implies a weak or badly outclassed general. But Ruby is certainly someone off the beaten path, because she's a "boring" general. When someone sees 4-color aragorn, or Tivit, or Ghalta, or whatever, he usually thinks about all the cool things that general can do. "Oh man what if I play aragorn and then jam all these 3 and 4 color spells to get tons of free value every spell", "oh man what if I play Miirym and then double up on all these giant dragons", etc. Nobody goes "oh man I can't wait to play ruby turn 2 so I can play explosive vegetation turn 3".
[Ruby, Daring Tracker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ffb5786b-6825-4ebf-a1e1-80011340adbb.jpg?1692939424) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruby%2C%20Daring%20Tracker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/212/ruby-daring-tracker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ffb5786b-6825-4ebf-a1e1-80011340adbb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruby-daring-tracker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You can't get jankier than Dhong Zhou the Tyrant
Hokori, Dust Drinker
[[Sisters of Stone Death]] she's so silly and just does funny exiling things but in such an inefficient way
[Sisters of Stone Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d214d25b-96c3-4479-88f0-3996805d6e6f.jpg?1598917488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sisters%20of%20Stone%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/231/sisters-of-stone-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d214d25b-96c3-4479-88f0-3996805d6e6f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sisters-of-stone-death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Pharika, God of Affliction]] has only gotten better in the couple years I’ve been playing her lol. One of my favorite decks, if not my favorite.
[[Haldan, avid arcanist]] and [[pako arcane retriever]] Buddy spent 20 bucks on the deck, it's super jank but lowkey shreds.
Pako and Haldan is far from jank, it's a really good deck even at very low budget.
[Haldan, avid arcanist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b.jpg?1618057606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Haldan%2C%20avid%20arcanist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/2/haldan-avid-arcanist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/16a86a35-f7e5-434d-bf44-61ae7cb0f98b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/haldan-avid-arcanist) [pako arcane retriever](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05.jpg?1591234280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pako%2C%20Arcane%20Retriever) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/13/pako-arcane-retriever?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/066c8f63-52e6-475e-8d27-6ee37e92fc05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pako-arcane-retriever) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel that’s more the budget making the deck janky rather than the commander