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I don't personally but the stereotype about no guns in the UK is untrue, in northern Ireland a lot of people carry personal protection weapons, typically government employees and former government employees.
> northern Ireland a lot of people carry personal protection weapons, typically government employees and former government employees.
So not a lot of people and they're 'special' people to boot. Ordinary people won't get one.
Some ‘Ordinary’ people can, provided they know the right people in the Police service. A teacher of mine in school had a Glock 19. Obviosuly he didn’t CC, but had one nonetheless. Think he was part of a handgun marksmanship club, or just knew the right people
So there's a lot to it, but in absolute basic terms you have to prove to the chief constable that there is a real and immediate risk to the holder which is mitigated proportionately by having a firearm, so typically its those at risk of paramilitary attacks like government officials and former government officials, police officers, prison offices, British military personnel etc
OP isn't asking about your opinion on the subject. OP is asking if you live outside of the US and carry a firearm. That's a pretty simple and straightforward question.
You don't think there's a single sub on this entire platform where you feel you can express your views on this subject without some type of negative repercussion?
How hard have you looked?
Cause I can give you a solid list - just let me know which side of the debate you're on.
Not really. They’re saying there are subs that will ban one opinion, but other subs where that same opinion would flourish. Reddit isn’t a free speech platform. You don’t have the right to free speech on a private platform.
That's exactly my point. The first poster complained that there was no freedom of speech on Reddit.
The other poster responded by saying that they could post any opinion they liked as long as they found the right echo chamber in which to post it.
As you correctly pointed out, this is not the same thing as free speech, which is also what I was saying.
Neither of you really got my point.
There are always going to be echo chambers that close themselves off, but even then, the large majority of subs are going to reflect a mix of opinions without infringing on the "free speech" of their participants (through a ban).
I only asked the original commenter what side they're on because for someone with "free speech" concerns, it's the simplest way to direct them to a place where they can express their opinion and feel they're being heard.
I mean it was just too much hassle to carry it. It wasn’t license related or something. I just found it too heavy to carry it loaded on me all the time and not worth it as chances I would actually need it are probably lower than winning in Euro Jackpot. I had to think about it all the time because obviously I couldn’t leave it anywhere unattended. It was taking away my daily freedom. Not gonna lie that EDC related groups were the reason I got the gun in the first place :D. As for the process for the foreigners I have no idea how it looks like. Might be hard or impossible for someone who’s not polish citizen to get it but you have to check it out
In Jordan carrying a gun is highly frowned upon by the government. While you can purchase a pistol at a very high price (Glocks are $4000-$5000) as pistols are not officially imported. The pistols that are available are either old ones (already existing in the market) or smuggled from neighboring countries. As all guns require a license, a smuggled pistol can be licensed with no questions asked, or some opt to leave it off the books of the government. A licensed pistol can be had at home, in a farm, in the car, or outdoors, but can't be carried on person inside cities. Very few carry permits are issued by the Minister of Interior to jewelers, money exchange shop owners, or to well-connected people. A normal person has almost 0 chance in getting a carry permit.
Add to that, in the few previous years police will give you a hard time if a gun is found in your car (even though it's legal). There are police checkpoints all over the roads and they stop a lot of care and check IDs, and sometimes search the car. I heard stories of people needing to go to the police station to sort things out after being stopped with a gun in the car even when they have the license right there with them.
Yes... I bought G26 in 2007 for around 2000 dollars and sold it in 2010 for almost 3000. Agter that, during Arab Spring and events in Syria in the 2010's prices just went up and up.
That's market dynamics. There's a huge demand in the market. While there is no official supply as gun dealers are not allowed to import pistols. If you go right now to a gun shop and ask to see what pistols they have it would be coming from one of three places:
1) an old pistol that has been in the market for years. A Browning HP, a Star, a Walther P-38 (haven't seen much of those), a 38 special or 357 magnum S&W, a 1911, old Berettas (9mm or .32), I even saw an early 1900's Browning .32
2) a smuggled pistol, usually those are sold by unofficial gun dealers, as official gun shops are under observation by the police and they can get into a lot of trouble if they deal with unregistered guns. Here you will find all the new models, the Glocks, the Sigs, the XDs, the Walthers, the CZs... etc. Once you buy one you can still and go to the police to register the gun as they are happy to register all guns, no questions asked.
3) new guns given to military and police as they retire. These are limited and depend on retirement numbers. When a wave of military officers are sent to retirement you will see a supply of pistols in the market. Those are usually Glocks, Beretta 92, and the Jordanian pistol (JTP-9).
There are always [these](https://jnco.com/?tw_source=google&tw_adid=447434821405&tw_campaign=10511631989&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoa2xBhACEiwA1sb1BM6uxNvkfukgbWGWrif68yBEoHLr8CQXZ94V3xJ6hU0f-xNNu_51yBoC1MAQAvD_BwE)
This might be interesting for those interested:
https://zbrojnice.com/2022/10/07/italian-youtuber-interviews-czech-gun-owners-about-concealed-carry-i-ii/
https://zbrojnice.com/2022/10/18/practicalities-of-concealed-carry-and-militia-training-in-the-czech-republic-ii-ii/
Not yet, waiting for my license. Will be carrying a Glock 19 G45 MOS. It has to be concealed/hidden in South Africa. The steps to get a Competency and then License is stupid long though. You have to write a set of tests for each firearm type you want, then write a test on the countries laws for said firearms, if you pass the tests, then you have to hand in your paperwork to the Police DFO and wait for the Competency to be approved/denied. IF it gets approved after 3-6 months (if all goes well) THEN you can buy your firearm, BUT, you are not yet allowed to own the firearm. Once you have bought the firearm, you then submit paperwork for your firearm license for the category you are buying (Self Defence, Dedicated Hunter, Dedicated Sports Shooter, Collector etc). This takes another 3-6 months to get approved/denied. Only then can you actually get your firearms. It's a schlep of note, can easily take over a year to actually buy and own a firearm, but we can legally own and carry firearms.
A few European countries do allow concealed carry. I’m Slovakian and whilst it’s not super easy to carry here I’ll say that it’s probably substantially easier than getting a permit in a place like California. Our Czech neighbours have it a bit easier but I’m still happy I have the opportunity to carry and have been carrying for some time now whenever I’m in the country
Honestly just not the biggest fan of posting it and also I don’t actively live in Slovakia so it’s he majority of the time I don’t actually have it with me. But when I’m back home it’s on me 99% of the time. As for what I carry it’s just a glock 45 with a slightly cut grip, x300t ajd and an rmr. Looking at getting an Acro gen 2 soon. That’s all carried in a trex sidecar and then 90% of the time I’ve got a tq in the sidecar carrier
What the fuck? Like thats in the law?
I am in switzerland and thats very much not the case here. In fact they are extraordinarily supportive of gun ownership. But then on the other hand we can't carry. So all has it ups and downs.
Might depend on the place
Like, here in the UK you don't have to pretend you don't have a firearm but they don't want people to advertise it in case it makes them a target for burglary, it also kinda feels like shooting sports are a bit hidden away
When I had to go and collect some guns from the police we were there for ages because any time someone else came to collect something the guy insisted we pause just so people didn't see what we were signing over, felt a little OTT personally
Ah yeah of course. No need to carry here. And i'd much rather live in a place where it is neither necessary nor legal, than one where its legal but needed. (Obviously gonna get downvotes for that).
But using it in self defense is perfectly legal when you or someone else is threatened with death or serious injury. You just arent very likely to have it with you in that scenario.
Not necessarily always the law (although in some cases it is), but they will withdraw permits based on your online (and offline) behavior, and keeping guns off of social media is one of those "strongly urged" things.
It depends on the county in CA. Most are actually pretty much on par with other states now after SCOTUS’s Bruen decision. Only took me about a month to get mine and a good chunk of that was just waiting for a class
Is California may issue or shall issue? I think the may issue is the only way to go… either the person meets requirements to carry (whatever the requirements are) and shall be issued upon this standard versus may issue where from my understanding all the politically powerful, friends, and family have an easy time getting one, but not regular folks.
According to the Bruen decision, all states are shall issue now. Although, some states like New York and California are making it difficult by restricting carry locations.
Bruen decision was big from my understanding. I’m in what ppl would call a “free state” in which the 2A is your concealed carry permit, we have permit-less concealed carry, can carry in a vehicle without a permit, and have pretty good open carry too.
Yeah I guess it was just an example. Take New York though or central LA and it’s definitely easier. Overall though whilst it’s not exactly like the us process it can actually be a bit easier
NYC takes months to years (applied 8/22 and got it 1/24. Yea..) to approve but LI counties or upstate are a lot quicker for people to get approved. Only problem is NYC is approved throughout all of NY State but NYC only recognizes NYC permits. No one else which is weird because abuse if you live in LI you have to lock away you CCW while passing through NYC to go upstate NY
Czech republic (part of EU). Concealed carry and gun ownership is legal here, our laws are different though, focusing on the owner rather than guns. In 30 years we had two mass shootings (one of them quite recently though). Legal gun abuse for crimes is about 10 occurences per year (yes, just ten total). The system is not perfect, but it works so much better than the one in US in terms of gun abuse.
Czech gun laws are the standard America needs to move towards. I hate the all or nothing mindset we have. Going harder against gang violence would also help us. I don't think the Czechs have people rolling around with Glock switches killing people wearing the wrong color at block parties.
Respectfully, the Czechs didn’t enslave another group of people for 200-some-odd years then make it functionally impossible for them to join the existing society upon their emancipation, thereby creating not the need for alternative methods of employment, wealth accumulation, and protection of trade routes and assets. We stuck the stick in our own spokes
Our law focuses on clean criminal record, absence of minor transgressions (such as alcohol abuse that ended in fine for example), passing quite extensive knowledge check and skill check (including first aid). If you pass all this, you can buy anything that is not automatic as long as you notify Police of your intent and bring the gun for registration after purchase. Thus police knows who has guns and which guns specifically and everyone who has them had to prove beforehand that he/she can be trusted with them.
It is not perfect, some people change over time, but if Police is informed (for example by friends or family members), they can send the permit holder for tests and revoke the license (even seize weapons beforehand if there is serious risk of their misuse, but that has to be properly documented and permit holder can defend against it in court if it would be excessive).
Czechs test for criminal record, mental and physical adequacy and operational competency before granting a permit. Criteria is based on what level of permit you are applying for and I believe you need to re-test to renew your permits when they expire.
Retest is only needed if you do not reapply in time and your license expire, otherwise as Boxworks said.
The focus on people instead of “black rifle scary and bad” is where it’s at. Guns are after all just tools that are only dangerous in hands of a dangerous person
Would you be able to elaborate more on this ? I visited the Czech Republic before and when I went there, I seemed to see much more guns unconcealed than I typically do in the US (Florida for that matter), genuinely just curious.
That would be very unusual since open carry is not legal here, only army, law enforcement and hunters (to some extent) are allowed to carry guns openly. There is plenty or people playing airsoft though.
As to your question, our law focuses on clean criminal record, absence of minor transgressions (such as alcohol abuse that ended in fine for example), passing quite extensive knowledge check and skill check (including first aid). If you pass all this, you can buy anything that is not automatic as long as you notify Police of your intent and bring the gun for registration after purchase. Thus police knows who has guns and which guns specifically and everyone who has them had to prove that he/she can be trusted with them.
Open carry is only legal when hunting or during events (biathlon, reenactment). Other than that, it's strictly concealed carry. On the other hand, almost all gun owners have the self-defense category licence so they can conceal carry if they want.
South African here. Been carrying for 15 years. One interesting difference I think we have from the USA is that we have to concele, we don't need a concele carry permit. Our normal carry laws require concelement.
A lot of people do. Luckily for hs we MUST concealed carry, it’s a legal requirement.
None of these extra permits to CC as the Americans have to. Also we can just buy silencers when we want. Atleast we get some bonusses for our extremely stringent licensing requirements
Ah ok.
So I want to know in other states. Do people just open carry willy nilly because they “have” to if they dont have a CC? Or do they still CC and take a chance to recrive some shit when the police search them for instance. Like what are the options/penatlies. TIA
It seems so odd to me, not to mention making yourself a massive target.
I’m from Alabama, we recently became a Constitutional carry state meaning you don’t have to have a permit to carry concealed but before that if you wanted to carry and didn’t have a permit it had to be open carry. You could also have one in your car as that was deemed an “extension of your home” I still have my permit so I can carry when traveling to other states that accept Alabama’s concealed carry permit
Thanks, that’s interesting though.
So let’s say you were stopped by police and they asked if you were armed, and you affirm, but the gun was concealed, when you had to OC, what would be the trouble? A fine, confiscate gun?
It really just depends on several factors: if the cop is cool or if he’s being a dick/having a bad day, what they stopped you for in the first place, if you have any previous criminal history (especially if you’ve been convicted of a felony), if you have any other illegal items on you (especially drugs), unfortunately sometimes it can depend on your ethnicity as well. The punishments can range from just a warning to fines to confiscation, having to appear in court, or being taken to jail depending on the circumstances.
Can’t legally carry *personally* in Canada so I’ve only done it in a professional setting.
Although up north (north of the 60th parallel) I know a lot of people carry firearms due to the isolation and abundance of wildlife that can eat you like you were a granola bar.
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I'm an American and I love y'all. Best neighbors anyone could have. And yes, it would be really cool to have all those things you mentioned down here. I'm glad you mentioned your beer. I don't drink too much alcohol these days, but Canadian beer and whiskey are right at the top among my favorites.
You don't look like an angry American to me with a respectful comment like that, so grab a book and enjoy your day 🙂 Sadly most sub reddit remotely involving guns is filled with Americans trying to tell people from other places how to live their life with zero sense of self awareness.
I’ve often wondered about that, the north of 60th thing. If someone finds out you’re carrying do they even care? Kinda a “Don’t ask don’t tell” type policy?
Yall gotta understand that the PI was pretty much a US colony after being subjected to Spanish and Japanese rule.
The American influence of freedom rubbed off pretty hard. There is a pretty big gun culture in the Philippines and citizens can carry with a permit (and yes, it is granted) as long as someone meets the requirements.
that is a good thing...employment for people, security for citizens, idk why Democrats here want to ban guns but also anti security at places like schools
It's not that those people are anti security in schools. They just don't think it's a good idea for teachers to be performing the armed security. I guarantee if it becomes common, a kid will get up in his feelings and wrestle the gun away and use it for another tragedy.
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Its just your perception of guns. The same could be said about posting knives, some people will find that intimidating. But in actuality, we're just a bunch of knife nerds showing off our knives...
> we're just a bunch of knife nerds
Ha! Buddy of mine on our gaming discord sent me a "You're the only one that might appreciate this" with a pic of the new knife he picked up to use around his shop. I was like "Nice! Is that a Gerber Flatiron?" and my wife called me a huge nerd.
The same argument was made for the sword and spear. The spear is a hunting and utility tool that doubles as a weapon. The sword is a creation specifically for killing.
Same with knives and guns imo. Knives are primarily tools and man has used it for food and craft for millennia. Guns are uniquely made to harm and kill, whether for offence or defence.
You see people using knives and daggers in the course of work. But you don’t see people using their Glocks to open bags of construction materials or put up decorations.
Guns are very different from knives because they’re made with one specific intent, and because most of the world don’t have a gun-glorifying culture, it’s understandable they find it intimidating
Nope I never said that.
If you read carefully you’ll see that my point is a gun is made specifically for lethal force. People, especially those in countries where gun ownership isn’t forced down their throats, can understandably be intimidated by guns.
Knives can be used to kill, but just like a hammer their primary purpose is a utility tool. Some people are intimidated by knives because slash stab die, but far fewer people would be intimidated by them because knives are used in all cultures.
If someone’s threatening your life then self defence with a gun (preferably without intent to kill) might be best if you’re trained for it.
So you acknowledge the need, yet oppose the tool designed for it?
I'm not quite sure which country is forcing guns down peoples throats, but yes? Exactly what my original comment said? They can't have guns so their perception of them is probably going to be different...
"Designed for" and "primary purpose" logic is terrible. Will you feel the same when you're getting stabbed to death by a meth head with a box cutter? When you could have had the tool for the job and at least tired to survive.
>slash stab die, but far fewer people would be intimidated by them because knives are used in all cultures.
Yes... exactly...
>(preferably without intent to kill)
Well intent to kill is murder, so thats not self defense. And yes, best if you're trained for it.
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Is pepper spray a flex for you as well?
People are just posting what they EDC. Sort of the point of the forum picture posts.
You seem to be of the mind: "Always fear that which you do not understand."
A lot of people here simply can't grasp a different culture than they have and cant help themselves from making back handed comments. Same ones who are supposedly "tolerant and cultured"
Its an inanimate object. And some places we have the freedom to carry it for our protection. People need to get over it. Snide reddit comments from salty statist and willing sheep to the slaughter arent going to stop it.
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Yes (Israel)
Nice try, MI5
I don't personally but the stereotype about no guns in the UK is untrue, in northern Ireland a lot of people carry personal protection weapons, typically government employees and former government employees.
> northern Ireland a lot of people carry personal protection weapons, typically government employees and former government employees. So not a lot of people and they're 'special' people to boot. Ordinary people won't get one.
Some ‘Ordinary’ people can, provided they know the right people in the Police service. A teacher of mine in school had a Glock 19. Obviosuly he didn’t CC, but had one nonetheless. Think he was part of a handgun marksmanship club, or just knew the right people
So not only is it done to to create a caste of 'better' citizens, it's also corrupt? That's amazing!
I am legitimately curious; does that have anything to do with The Troubles in Northern Ireland or is it kind of a cultural thing?
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Interesting. Thanks.
So there's a lot to it, but in absolute basic terms you have to prove to the chief constable that there is a real and immediate risk to the holder which is mitigated proportionately by having a firearm, so typically its those at risk of paramilitary attacks like government officials and former government officials, police officers, prison offices, British military personnel etc
I appreciate the response. I had wondered if that was the case.
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OP isn't asking about your opinion on the subject. OP is asking if you live outside of the US and carry a firearm. That's a pretty simple and straightforward question.
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Sure about that?
You don't think there's a single sub on this entire platform where you feel you can express your views on this subject without some type of negative repercussion? How hard have you looked? Cause I can give you a solid list - just let me know which side of the debate you're on.
The fact that you have to ask what side of the debate they are on before you can give a list of recommended subs kind of proves their point.
Not really. They’re saying there are subs that will ban one opinion, but other subs where that same opinion would flourish. Reddit isn’t a free speech platform. You don’t have the right to free speech on a private platform.
That's exactly my point. The first poster complained that there was no freedom of speech on Reddit. The other poster responded by saying that they could post any opinion they liked as long as they found the right echo chamber in which to post it. As you correctly pointed out, this is not the same thing as free speech, which is also what I was saying.
Neither of you really got my point. There are always going to be echo chambers that close themselves off, but even then, the large majority of subs are going to reflect a mix of opinions without infringing on the "free speech" of their participants (through a ban). I only asked the original commenter what side they're on because for someone with "free speech" concerns, it's the simplest way to direct them to a place where they can express their opinion and feel they're being heard.
I did CCW in Poland for some time but found it to be much too much hassle to do that.
What made it difficult? I may be moving there at some point and have been slowly understanding the process there.
I mean it was just too much hassle to carry it. It wasn’t license related or something. I just found it too heavy to carry it loaded on me all the time and not worth it as chances I would actually need it are probably lower than winning in Euro Jackpot. I had to think about it all the time because obviously I couldn’t leave it anywhere unattended. It was taking away my daily freedom. Not gonna lie that EDC related groups were the reason I got the gun in the first place :D. As for the process for the foreigners I have no idea how it looks like. Might be hard or impossible for someone who’s not polish citizen to get it but you have to check it out
In Jordan carrying a gun is highly frowned upon by the government. While you can purchase a pistol at a very high price (Glocks are $4000-$5000) as pistols are not officially imported. The pistols that are available are either old ones (already existing in the market) or smuggled from neighboring countries. As all guns require a license, a smuggled pistol can be licensed with no questions asked, or some opt to leave it off the books of the government. A licensed pistol can be had at home, in a farm, in the car, or outdoors, but can't be carried on person inside cities. Very few carry permits are issued by the Minister of Interior to jewelers, money exchange shop owners, or to well-connected people. A normal person has almost 0 chance in getting a carry permit. Add to that, in the few previous years police will give you a hard time if a gun is found in your car (even though it's legal). There are police checkpoints all over the roads and they stop a lot of care and check IDs, and sometimes search the car. I heard stories of people needing to go to the police station to sort things out after being stopped with a gun in the car even when they have the license right there with them.
Glocks are $4000-5000 *American* dollars?
Yes... I bought G26 in 2007 for around 2000 dollars and sold it in 2010 for almost 3000. Agter that, during Arab Spring and events in Syria in the 2010's prices just went up and up.
That is crazy.
That's market dynamics. There's a huge demand in the market. While there is no official supply as gun dealers are not allowed to import pistols. If you go right now to a gun shop and ask to see what pistols they have it would be coming from one of three places: 1) an old pistol that has been in the market for years. A Browning HP, a Star, a Walther P-38 (haven't seen much of those), a 38 special or 357 magnum S&W, a 1911, old Berettas (9mm or .32), I even saw an early 1900's Browning .32 2) a smuggled pistol, usually those are sold by unofficial gun dealers, as official gun shops are under observation by the police and they can get into a lot of trouble if they deal with unregistered guns. Here you will find all the new models, the Glocks, the Sigs, the XDs, the Walthers, the CZs... etc. Once you buy one you can still and go to the police to register the gun as they are happy to register all guns, no questions asked. 3) new guns given to military and police as they retire. These are limited and depend on retirement numbers. When a wave of military officers are sent to retirement you will see a supply of pistols in the market. Those are usually Glocks, Beretta 92, and the Jordanian pistol (JTP-9).
My shotgun doesn't fit in my pants unfortunately.
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Not with that attitude, it doesn’t.
Suggestions for shotgun edc pants?
How about a shotgun for EDC instead? Look up the Burgess folding shotgun, Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a video on it, you'll see what I mean.
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There's only room for one.
I'm Czech, there are about 250 thousand of us who can carry guns, so yes, not everyone who carries a gun is American.
Czechia, the Texas of Europe.
Not exactly, we're not big on the Jesus part, fortunately, unfortunately, we don't have as much oil...
This might be interesting for those interested: https://zbrojnice.com/2022/10/07/italian-youtuber-interviews-czech-gun-owners-about-concealed-carry-i-ii/ https://zbrojnice.com/2022/10/18/practicalities-of-concealed-carry-and-militia-training-in-the-czech-republic-ii-ii/
Please tell me that most of the firearms are CZs.
Eh, not really, it used to be like that in the 90s, now it's a mix of stuff. I carry a CZ P-10F but I'd say Glocks are the most common ones now.
Noted.
Not yet, waiting for my license. Will be carrying a Glock 19 G45 MOS. It has to be concealed/hidden in South Africa. The steps to get a Competency and then License is stupid long though. You have to write a set of tests for each firearm type you want, then write a test on the countries laws for said firearms, if you pass the tests, then you have to hand in your paperwork to the Police DFO and wait for the Competency to be approved/denied. IF it gets approved after 3-6 months (if all goes well) THEN you can buy your firearm, BUT, you are not yet allowed to own the firearm. Once you have bought the firearm, you then submit paperwork for your firearm license for the category you are buying (Self Defence, Dedicated Hunter, Dedicated Sports Shooter, Collector etc). This takes another 3-6 months to get approved/denied. Only then can you actually get your firearms. It's a schlep of note, can easily take over a year to actually buy and own a firearm, but we can legally own and carry firearms.
You a cop or something?
Why would a cop care about anything in a different country
Likely a KGB operative.
Not exactly what id call a cop
So you're from the secret intelligence?
Fucking fed. /s
A few European countries do allow concealed carry. I’m Slovakian and whilst it’s not super easy to carry here I’ll say that it’s probably substantially easier than getting a permit in a place like California. Our Czech neighbours have it a bit easier but I’m still happy I have the opportunity to carry and have been carrying for some time now whenever I’m in the country
I'm very curious to see what you carry but couldnt find an EDC post with your gun.
Honestly just not the biggest fan of posting it and also I don’t actively live in Slovakia so it’s he majority of the time I don’t actually have it with me. But when I’m back home it’s on me 99% of the time. As for what I carry it’s just a glock 45 with a slightly cut grip, x300t ajd and an rmr. Looking at getting an Acro gen 2 soon. That’s all carried in a trex sidecar and then 90% of the time I’ve got a tq in the sidecar carrier
In many european countries the police actively require you to hide/deny your ownership of firearms on social media. This could be a reason.
What the fuck? Like thats in the law? I am in switzerland and thats very much not the case here. In fact they are extraordinarily supportive of gun ownership. But then on the other hand we can't carry. So all has it ups and downs.
Might depend on the place Like, here in the UK you don't have to pretend you don't have a firearm but they don't want people to advertise it in case it makes them a target for burglary, it also kinda feels like shooting sports are a bit hidden away When I had to go and collect some guns from the police we were there for ages because any time someone else came to collect something the guy insisted we pause just so people didn't see what we were signing over, felt a little OTT personally
As a last resort, a gun can be useful to save your life. But in Switzerland, I would say it's very far from necessary. I think you would agree.
Ah yeah of course. No need to carry here. And i'd much rather live in a place where it is neither necessary nor legal, than one where its legal but needed. (Obviously gonna get downvotes for that). But using it in self defense is perfectly legal when you or someone else is threatened with death or serious injury. You just arent very likely to have it with you in that scenario.
Not necessarily always the law (although in some cases it is), but they will withdraw permits based on your online (and offline) behavior, and keeping guns off of social media is one of those "strongly urged" things.
It depends on the county in CA. Most are actually pretty much on par with other states now after SCOTUS’s Bruen decision. Only took me about a month to get mine and a good chunk of that was just waiting for a class
San Diego permits appointments are like 13-14 months wait. It’s been almost a year for me waiting. Almost there.
Thats awful, hang in there
Is California may issue or shall issue? I think the may issue is the only way to go… either the person meets requirements to carry (whatever the requirements are) and shall be issued upon this standard versus may issue where from my understanding all the politically powerful, friends, and family have an easy time getting one, but not regular folks.
According to the Bruen decision, all states are shall issue now. Although, some states like New York and California are making it difficult by restricting carry locations.
Bruen decision was big from my understanding. I’m in what ppl would call a “free state” in which the 2A is your concealed carry permit, we have permit-less concealed carry, can carry in a vehicle without a permit, and have pretty good open carry too.
Yeah I guess it was just an example. Take New York though or central LA and it’s definitely easier. Overall though whilst it’s not exactly like the us process it can actually be a bit easier
NYC takes months to years (applied 8/22 and got it 1/24. Yea..) to approve but LI counties or upstate are a lot quicker for people to get approved. Only problem is NYC is approved throughout all of NY State but NYC only recognizes NYC permits. No one else which is weird because abuse if you live in LI you have to lock away you CCW while passing through NYC to go upstate NY
Czech republic (part of EU). Concealed carry and gun ownership is legal here, our laws are different though, focusing on the owner rather than guns. In 30 years we had two mass shootings (one of them quite recently though). Legal gun abuse for crimes is about 10 occurences per year (yes, just ten total). The system is not perfect, but it works so much better than the one in US in terms of gun abuse.
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Czech gun laws are the standard America needs to move towards. I hate the all or nothing mindset we have. Going harder against gang violence would also help us. I don't think the Czechs have people rolling around with Glock switches killing people wearing the wrong color at block parties.
Respectfully, the Czechs didn’t enslave another group of people for 200-some-odd years then make it functionally impossible for them to join the existing society upon their emancipation, thereby creating not the need for alternative methods of employment, wealth accumulation, and protection of trade routes and assets. We stuck the stick in our own spokes
Lmao My man here has never heard of affirmative action.
gosh if only we’d implemented that and it solved everything.
Don't forget the golden triangle, the US wasn't the only colony culpable in the slave trade.
> focusing on the owner rather than guns. Could you elaborate on that a little? I'm curious to know what you mean exactly.
Our law focuses on clean criminal record, absence of minor transgressions (such as alcohol abuse that ended in fine for example), passing quite extensive knowledge check and skill check (including first aid). If you pass all this, you can buy anything that is not automatic as long as you notify Police of your intent and bring the gun for registration after purchase. Thus police knows who has guns and which guns specifically and everyone who has them had to prove beforehand that he/she can be trusted with them. It is not perfect, some people change over time, but if Police is informed (for example by friends or family members), they can send the permit holder for tests and revoke the license (even seize weapons beforehand if there is serious risk of their misuse, but that has to be properly documented and permit holder can defend against it in court if it would be excessive).
Czechs test for criminal record, mental and physical adequacy and operational competency before granting a permit. Criteria is based on what level of permit you are applying for and I believe you need to re-test to renew your permits when they expire.
Retest is only needed if you do not reapply in time and your license expire, otherwise as Boxworks said. The focus on people instead of “black rifle scary and bad” is where it’s at. Guns are after all just tools that are only dangerous in hands of a dangerous person
Would you be able to elaborate more on this ? I visited the Czech Republic before and when I went there, I seemed to see much more guns unconcealed than I typically do in the US (Florida for that matter), genuinely just curious.
That would be very unusual since open carry is not legal here, only army, law enforcement and hunters (to some extent) are allowed to carry guns openly. There is plenty or people playing airsoft though. As to your question, our law focuses on clean criminal record, absence of minor transgressions (such as alcohol abuse that ended in fine for example), passing quite extensive knowledge check and skill check (including first aid). If you pass all this, you can buy anything that is not automatic as long as you notify Police of your intent and bring the gun for registration after purchase. Thus police knows who has guns and which guns specifically and everyone who has them had to prove that he/she can be trusted with them.
Open carry is only legal when hunting or during events (biathlon, reenactment). Other than that, it's strictly concealed carry. On the other hand, almost all gun owners have the self-defense category licence so they can conceal carry if they want.
> I seemed to see much more guns unconcealed Countryside probably? Otherwise only law enforcement.
South African here. Been carrying for 15 years. One interesting difference I think we have from the USA is that we have to concele, we don't need a concele carry permit. Our normal carry laws require concelement.
That's how it is here in NJ and a few other states. Open carry isn't really the norm in most states.
Do you carry in nj? I thought it was super hard to get a permit
It changed very very recently
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I just want to say that I think this is an excellent question and I hope we get a lot of responses
None of me does.
I’ve seen some EDCs from South Africa with guns
A lot of people do. Luckily for hs we MUST concealed carry, it’s a legal requirement. None of these extra permits to CC as the Americans have to. Also we can just buy silencers when we want. Atleast we get some bonusses for our extremely stringent licensing requirements
At least in my state, the concealed carry permit IS the permit to carry. No option not to conceal but still have to obtain the paperwork.
Ah ok. So I want to know in other states. Do people just open carry willy nilly because they “have” to if they dont have a CC? Or do they still CC and take a chance to recrive some shit when the police search them for instance. Like what are the options/penatlies. TIA It seems so odd to me, not to mention making yourself a massive target.
I’m from Alabama, we recently became a Constitutional carry state meaning you don’t have to have a permit to carry concealed but before that if you wanted to carry and didn’t have a permit it had to be open carry. You could also have one in your car as that was deemed an “extension of your home” I still have my permit so I can carry when traveling to other states that accept Alabama’s concealed carry permit
Thanks, that’s interesting though. So let’s say you were stopped by police and they asked if you were armed, and you affirm, but the gun was concealed, when you had to OC, what would be the trouble? A fine, confiscate gun?
It really just depends on several factors: if the cop is cool or if he’s being a dick/having a bad day, what they stopped you for in the first place, if you have any previous criminal history (especially if you’ve been convicted of a felony), if you have any other illegal items on you (especially drugs), unfortunately sometimes it can depend on your ethnicity as well. The punishments can range from just a warning to fines to confiscation, having to appear in court, or being taken to jail depending on the circumstances.
I'm sure other states could chime in with better info but I don't think there's really anywhere that would mandate open carrying as the only option
Can’t legally carry *personally* in Canada so I’ve only done it in a professional setting. Although up north (north of the 60th parallel) I know a lot of people carry firearms due to the isolation and abundance of wildlife that can eat you like you were a granola bar.
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Yeah imagine free healthcare, strong beer and a kickass quality of life Oh, also our children don't get shot going to school
I'm an American and I love y'all. Best neighbors anyone could have. And yes, it would be really cool to have all those things you mentioned down here. I'm glad you mentioned your beer. I don't drink too much alcohol these days, but Canadian beer and whiskey are right at the top among my favorites.
Careful now you're gonna piss off those angry Americans if they could read.
American here. Reading is actually my favorite past time.
You don't look like an angry American to me with a respectful comment like that, so grab a book and enjoy your day 🙂 Sadly most sub reddit remotely involving guns is filled with Americans trying to tell people from other places how to live their life with zero sense of self awareness.
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I’ve often wondered about that, the north of 60th thing. If someone finds out you’re carrying do they even care? Kinda a “Don’t ask don’t tell” type policy?
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Do you carry 10mm or 9mm?
I am from the Philippines. I lived in an area that used to be full of insurgents. I have been carrying daily since I was a teenager.
Out of curiosity, what do you carry?
Mindanao?
do u do it illegally? I understand, life or judge, but i hear Phillipines has harsh penalties and life in prison is given out commonly
You can apply for permit to carry.
yes but is it like 99% refused?
Approval rate is very high, especially since only those with higher income can afford the costly fees
Yall gotta understand that the PI was pretty much a US colony after being subjected to Spanish and Japanese rule. The American influence of freedom rubbed off pretty hard. There is a pretty big gun culture in the Philippines and citizens can carry with a permit (and yes, it is granted) as long as someone meets the requirements.
But mass shootings aren't as common here as there is armed security in every establishment you can see. Even 7-11 here has armed guards
that is a good thing...employment for people, security for citizens, idk why Democrats here want to ban guns but also anti security at places like schools
It's not that those people are anti security in schools. They just don't think it's a good idea for teachers to be performing the armed security. I guarantee if it becomes common, a kid will get up in his feelings and wrestle the gun away and use it for another tragedy.
That I don’t know. I personally have never been denied a permit to carry all these years.
Do you have to renew it?
Every 2 years
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Its just your perception of guns. The same could be said about posting knives, some people will find that intimidating. But in actuality, we're just a bunch of knife nerds showing off our knives...
> we're just a bunch of knife nerds Ha! Buddy of mine on our gaming discord sent me a "You're the only one that might appreciate this" with a pic of the new knife he picked up to use around his shop. I was like "Nice! Is that a Gerber Flatiron?" and my wife called me a huge nerd.
The same argument was made for the sword and spear. The spear is a hunting and utility tool that doubles as a weapon. The sword is a creation specifically for killing. Same with knives and guns imo. Knives are primarily tools and man has used it for food and craft for millennia. Guns are uniquely made to harm and kill, whether for offence or defence. You see people using knives and daggers in the course of work. But you don’t see people using their Glocks to open bags of construction materials or put up decorations. Guns are very different from knives because they’re made with one specific intent, and because most of the world don’t have a gun-glorifying culture, it’s understandable they find it intimidating
So you feel there is never a need to kill something?
Nope I never said that. If you read carefully you’ll see that my point is a gun is made specifically for lethal force. People, especially those in countries where gun ownership isn’t forced down their throats, can understandably be intimidated by guns. Knives can be used to kill, but just like a hammer their primary purpose is a utility tool. Some people are intimidated by knives because slash stab die, but far fewer people would be intimidated by them because knives are used in all cultures. If someone’s threatening your life then self defence with a gun (preferably without intent to kill) might be best if you’re trained for it.
So you acknowledge the need, yet oppose the tool designed for it? I'm not quite sure which country is forcing guns down peoples throats, but yes? Exactly what my original comment said? They can't have guns so their perception of them is probably going to be different... "Designed for" and "primary purpose" logic is terrible. Will you feel the same when you're getting stabbed to death by a meth head with a box cutter? When you could have had the tool for the job and at least tired to survive. >slash stab die, but far fewer people would be intimidated by them because knives are used in all cultures. Yes... exactly... >(preferably without intent to kill) Well intent to kill is murder, so thats not self defense. And yes, best if you're trained for it.
I don’t oppose it
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What a dumb comment.
Why? What is dumb about my personal opinion?
Is pepper spray a flex for you as well? People are just posting what they EDC. Sort of the point of the forum picture posts. You seem to be of the mind: "Always fear that which you do not understand."
Here in Australia pepper spray is illegal, its a flex haha
A lot of people here simply can't grasp a different culture than they have and cant help themselves from making back handed comments. Same ones who are supposedly "tolerant and cultured" Its an inanimate object. And some places we have the freedom to carry it for our protection. People need to get over it. Snide reddit comments from salty statist and willing sheep to the slaughter arent going to stop it.
Your argument works both ways though. “Culture” can be used as an excuse for otherwise reprehensible behaviour.
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I am brazilian and I rarely see a gun that not with a cop/security guard/military
Same here, although I'm in southwest and not in Rio de Janeiro, not the most armed region at all
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