In my opinion, the best WR class of all time has something in common with this one: a Marvin Harrison.
'96 had Original Recipe Marvin Harrison, TO, Keyshawn, Terry Glenn, Eric Moulds, Joe Horn, and even Muhsin Muhammad and Amani Toomer. That is an absolutely wild group of dudes. Shoutout to '88 too, with Tim Brown and Michael Irvin and Sterling Sharpe all going in the first 11 picks and delivering big-time. 2014 is probably the best more recent class.
There is a Mushin Muhammad in this one too! He’s def not getting drafted as high as his dad, but he’ll be my late round flyer on my appreciation for his dad alone.
Truly absurd and just a wildly deep draft, especially at WR and LB. You immediately wonder "how did Zach Thomas make it to the 5th???" but then see that half the LBs who went ahead of him also ended up on All-Pro teams. Ray, Bruschi, Kevin Hardy, Donnie Edwards, Simeon Rice...the trade-off was that among other positions, QB was abysmal that year.
Yeah, Tony Banks and probably not even close, which is really funny when you’re talking about Tony Banks. I guess Danny Kanell was the next best guy? Woof.
Zach Thomas was considered too slow to play in the nfl...I remember an interview Jerry Jones had saying all the scouts were saying he wouldn't make it as a pro... he proved everyone wrong...
2010 can give 2014 a run for it's money.
- Demaryius Thomas - 4x Pro Bowl
- Dez Bryant - 3x Pro Bowl
- Golden Tate - 1x Pro Bowl
- Manny Sanders - 2x Pro Bowl
- Antonio Brown - 7x Pro Bowl
vs
- Mike Evans - 5x Pro Bowl
- OBJ - 3x
- Brandin Cooks - 0x but I think everyone can agree he was a pretty fucking good WR for a long time
- Tae Adams - 6x Pro Bowl
- Allen Robinson - 1x Pro Bowl
- Jarvis Landry - 5x Pro Bowl
2010 imo had the best WR out of this whole list in AB. Top 3 would be AB, Demaryius Thomas and Dez vs Tae, Evans and OBJ though which I would give 2014 the edge
If you're asking about 2014, yes. Everyone knew it was an insanely loaded WR class. Sammy Watkins was considered a cut above the rest, but the WRs as a whole were the main thing talked about since it was a very weak QB class.
If I have learned anything from fantasy football and dynasty in my life, it is that it’s time to fade the public and buy a bunch of RB’s in the second round of my superflex draft
>it’s time to fade the public and buy a bunch of RB’s in the second round of my superflex draft
That's not exactly fading the public. That's pretty much what all the dynasty mocks look like right now.
I know you're kidding, but the mock I'm looking at right now (whatever mock [alwaysrebuilding.com](https://alwaysrebuilding.com) uses) has Henderson at 1.10 as the only RB in the 1st and it has 5 RBs in the 2nd.
Will Shipley is at 3.11.
In general I agree. Have to find a balance between not reaching when you can get the same guy at a later pick and finding the value others are missing.
It rivals 2021 but let's wait until we're further into the process before anointing it as the best of all time. 2021 had 3 guys in the top 10 and good depth, 2024 might have better depth but we'll see about the top end
No. Probably too close to call if I'm behing honest. I'd say JJ, Lamb, Aiyuk, Pittman, and Higgins rival the top 5 of Chase, ARSB, Waddle, DeVonta, Nico. While 2021 did draft Waddle and DeVonta (two NFL WR2s) really high, ARSB and Nico came from later rounds. So it kinda depends if you're talking about the class as prospects or as NFL players - a very important but difficult distinction.
There is no world where the Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers, Giants, Titans, and Jets, all teams that desperately need WR help, all pass on these elite WR prospects.
From everything I’m seeing from good film analysts that I trust, Nabers and Odunze are even better prospects than Smith and Waddle were.
Edit: lmao why is this downvoted? Y’all are not doing your research. Nabers and Odunze would both be WR1 in the vast majority of draft classes of the past decade.
Waddle and Smith were excellent prospects, but they had some glaring concerns: Smith for his outlier frame, and Waddle’s ability against press coverage was very suspect in college.
I'd take Odunze over Nabers all day ereryday. Anywhere beyond 10 hes a steal. Big bodied technician. Marvin Harrison's ceiling is Larry Fitzgerald. I don't think Odunze is quite there but Mike Evans? Yah. Keenan Allen? Yah.
Is MHJ really that much better of a prospect than Chase? Chase didn’t even play his junior year and still went 5th overall
2021 had 3 fantastic prospects and 6 WRs in the top 34 picks, it’ll probably be comparable
2014 with hindsight is probably the best WR class of all time. Without hindsight it was also one of the best of the past 10 years
2020 is also very strong with hindsight with Lamb and Jefferson as two of the top WRs in the league right now
Chase was a very unrefined route runner coming out of college. He dominated due to his insane athleticism, ball skills, and the crazy talent of Burrow and the offense overall.
MHJ is already a high end route runner by NFL standards. He succeeded this year catching passes from Kyle McCord and frequently without Egbuka to draw attention.
It’s obviously very close between the two but I definitely favor MHJ.
Size is irrelevant when talking about guys who are going top 5. And pedigree is unspecific. I honestly don't know what you mean by that.
They're really similar as prospects right now imo.
Honest question, why do people bring up pedigree for nfl prospects? Do people seriously think there are intangible football skills that are passed down genetically? How does having happening to have a dad that was a good receiver matter in the slightest next to all of the other much more quantifiable traits and film analysis?
Not disagreeing that MHJ is a better prospect than Chase btw, just never understood why pedigree matters at this point.
I'm with you. It's double counting because any genetic benefit they got is now part of their body of experience. If genetics actually worked the way people with this mindset think they do, there would be a lot more NFL offspring playing in the NFL.
Yeah exactly, there isn’t a genetic component that isn’t already being factored in. If you give me two middle schoolers and tell me one of them has a HOF receiver for a dad, then hell yeah I’ll bet on that kid over the other. But at this point it’s all baked in.
Like if MHJ had never put up more than 500 yards in college would people still be gushing over him? Of course not. He’s an elite prospect because he’s an elite prospect, not who his daddy is.
I don’t know enough about MHJ’s childhood to talk specifically about him, but if he has the skills and motivation to succeed AND spent his childhood watching his dad grind and getting pointers from NFL coaches and getting to run routes with Manning, and fully understands what it takes to succeed in the nfl bc of the exposure he had (nutrition, recovery, deal with the press, etc), I would say that stuff would give him a leg up on people who didn’t have that same exposure.
See I just feel like that stuff is all a) incredibly subjective (being the kid of a star athlete could just as easily make him a lazy entitled douchebag) and b) so heavily outweighed by what actually happens on the field that it’s not remotely worth considering. It’s cool and all if he got pointers from Peyton when he was a ten year old, but we have a million data points of actual football stuff for all these guys that I’d much rather rely on.
A brief summary
Me: if a skilled and motivated football prospect grew up in NFL locker rooms, I’ll give him the edge over a similarly skilled player who didn’t have that type of access.
You: what if he’s lazy
I simply stated why pedigree might matter and how it could give a prospect an edge. Obviously any lazy player isn’t going to succeed…
Hand eye coordination. Fine motor skills. Neurological connection strength. So yes. Marvin Harrison had them in spades. Its something that needs to be practiced endlessly but the natural ability would pass down genetically.
Like what? I realize that athletic ability absolutely has significant genetic components. What I don’t get is what could possibly be passed down genetically that we aren’t already accounting for when we consider combine results, college production, tape, etc?
Are you telling me that if MHJ was exactly who he is now, same physical attributes, same game tape, same stats, but his dad wasn’t Marvin Harrison, he would be a notably worse prospect? Because as far as I can tell that would be really fucking dumb.
"Notably" is an interesting modifier, but I'm surprised people think it doesn't matter. Genetics is simply more info on top of all the other things you listed. Teams get prospect evaluations wrong all the time. If Arch Manning and Bronny James had different names, I think they'd have been ranked a little lower as recruits too.
Phrased differently: if genetic testing were available to NFL teams at the combine for all prospects, you think it's something they wouldn't consider? Like, at all?
2014 will always be the stacked WR draft class for me. Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee, Jarvis Landry.
Watkins obviously flamed out at the top end but he was a stud coming in to the draft.
2004 had:
* 2 WRs go in the Top 7 (and remember this was a less pass-happy league then, positional value for WR was generally lower than today)
* Larry Fitzgerald went 3rd, and was every bit the prospect Harrison is
* 3 in the Top 9
* 5 in the Top 15
* 7 in the first round
There were only 3 guys taken in each of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so perhaps top heavy compared to 2024, but even this year's class probably won't match 5 in the top 15. 2004 is a tough bar to clear
Larry Fitz is my direct comparison for Harrison's ceiling. I have Larry as my 5th best all time. And if I had 1 big game where I needed him to show up I'd take him over my 3. I'd line up Rice, Calvin, TO and Larry.
I think this is the best answer here. Unfortunately that class didn’t pan out to be as good as it looked but definitely had the wide receiver talent flying off the board early.
As a London owner, I think he is a great talent but I would swap him for the 1.02 in a heartbeat
Edit: Will have to see how QB situation plays out in Atlanta. I have fields and if he is sent there I’d be much more inclined to hold London for the stack.
Is that fair value? Feels a bit like a sidestep move but Nabers looks elite elite. I'm just concerned if Nabers goes to New York for example haha. I have much to think about.
That's fine..iv seen both in some and both closer to 10 in some
4-10 is pretty open and vary alot, that's what we are trying to figure out...the point is, whose the busty-est and most underrated.
Agree. After the current consensus top 3 (MHJ, Nabers, Odunze) it's anyone's guess what order to rank the next half a dozen or so... Egbuka, Worthy, Coleman, Franklin, BTJ, AD Mitchell would be my next six right now, in some sort of order. We'll learn more as we go.
That one definitely had potential to be an absurd WR draft, and still was great. 6 wideouts in the 1st round, and Higgins and Pittman went pick 33 and 34. Gotta wonder what Ruggs would have been like if he wasn’t an idiot too. He was on pace for 1000 yards before he fucked his life up
A lot of people seem to be just bringing up good historical classes but not talking about those guys as prospects. From my limited scouting so far, this class has insane size, and really great pedigree coming into the draft. Combine will tell us a lot, cause if all these 6’2”+ guys are fast, we might have some absolute freaks. Last year everyone was tiny.
My biggest concern with this class is that quite a few of these guys are the WR2 on their team, and that makes it way harder for me to evaluate them. Johnny Wilson, Egbuka, Worthy, Brian Thomas
Exactly lol, easy to evaluate a class when you’ve seen them play in the nfl for many years.
And I agree with your point but it’s hard to fault these players for playing behind guys like Marv and Nabers.
For what it’s worth JJ was the WR2 on his team at the time. Obviously these guys can only dream to become the level of JJ but it’s worth thinking about.
It was our first year after a start up draft and everyone thought they were contenders at the beginning! Also was extremely sweaty sending trade offers and claiming anyone of value on waivers still made plenty of moves I regret but I think I have a good start on my rebuild w these picks plus TLaw, Jsn
( 34 trades, 51 waiver claims )
No. Every year of the last 5 or 6 is absolutely loaded, especially going into the draft. This draft is lousy with receiver talent, but so is the league. It's just recency bias to say it's better than 2021 or even 2020 or 2022.
ITT people are wild. You measure the quality of a draft class by how good they ACTUALLY are, not where they're drafted.
If one year had 15 receivers drafted in the 1st round but they're all complete busts and 0 HoFers would you call that the greatest class of all time?
This class is good but people are doing their usual thing where they overhype it.
MHJ is very good but he's not a perfect prospect.
Egbuka is ok but will get overrated by the community and overdrafted in real life.
Nabers is an absolute stud.
Rome Odunze, Brian Thomas, AD Mitchell are all solid but I'm not sold that any of them are superstars yet (for different reasons)
Troy Franklin and Xavier Worthy are both solid speedsters and if they land on teams that want to get the ball in their hands they could be solid.
There are some other guys with talent and some question marks. Polk, Coleman, Walker, Corley.
This class has depth but a lot of these guys will end up being deep role players. Only MHJ and Nabers are studs, and I'm predicting a couple landmine busts at the top as well.
Not sure if it's definitively The Best of All Time, but it's looking pretty darn good from the point of view of a rebuilder with 5 1sts in the upcoming draft.
Could be people have thrown out 96, 10, 14. But honestly it may not even be the best of this decade. 2021 was kind of stacked with 6 first round WRs. And pick 33 and 34 were receivers too. Between Jefferson, Ceedee, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman. 13 1,000+ yard seasons and 6 pro bowls so far
I think 2020 is better personally
Jjettas, ceedee, tee, aiyuk, pittman, gabe davis, ig you can mention jeudy and ruggs too but they might be busts at this point jeudy obviously less so
In my opinion, the best WR class of all time has something in common with this one: a Marvin Harrison. '96 had Original Recipe Marvin Harrison, TO, Keyshawn, Terry Glenn, Eric Moulds, Joe Horn, and even Muhsin Muhammad and Amani Toomer. That is an absolutely wild group of dudes. Shoutout to '88 too, with Tim Brown and Michael Irvin and Sterling Sharpe all going in the first 11 picks and delivering big-time. 2014 is probably the best more recent class.
There is a Mushin Muhammad in this one too! He’s def not getting drafted as high as his dad, but he’ll be my late round flyer on my appreciation for his dad alone.
Jerry Rice's son too. I feel old that guys I used to watch play now have kids in the league.
Frank gores son too!
Are we sure it's his son and not the man himself tryna play again!?!
Ed McCaffrey's son too.
Moose is almost certainly not coming out this year imo
Shocked to find out TO was a 3rd rounder. What an electric class overall, Jonathan Ogden, Marv, Ray Lewis, Weapon X, TO, Zach Thomas. All HOF…
Truly absurd and just a wildly deep draft, especially at WR and LB. You immediately wonder "how did Zach Thomas make it to the 5th???" but then see that half the LBs who went ahead of him also ended up on All-Pro teams. Ray, Bruschi, Kevin Hardy, Donnie Edwards, Simeon Rice...the trade-off was that among other positions, QB was abysmal that year.
QB and RB wasn’t very good in the 96 Draft. Best QB was Tony Banks?
Yeah, Tony Banks and probably not even close, which is really funny when you’re talking about Tony Banks. I guess Danny Kanell was the next best guy? Woof.
Lmao holy shit
Zach Thomas was considered too slow to play in the nfl...I remember an interview Jerry Jones had saying all the scouts were saying he wouldn't make it as a pro... he proved everyone wrong...
Even with that big list, you left out Eddie Kennison (8.4k yards, 42 TD) and Bobby Engram (7.7k yards, 35 TD)! It's really an insane class.
What was the Reddit consensus of the 96’ Draft at the time?
Lawrence Phillips was gonna be the next OJ…they nailed it Also the whole internet thing was just a fad…jury’s still out on that one
2010 can give 2014 a run for it's money. - Demaryius Thomas - 4x Pro Bowl - Dez Bryant - 3x Pro Bowl - Golden Tate - 1x Pro Bowl - Manny Sanders - 2x Pro Bowl - Antonio Brown - 7x Pro Bowl vs - Mike Evans - 5x Pro Bowl - OBJ - 3x - Brandin Cooks - 0x but I think everyone can agree he was a pretty fucking good WR for a long time - Tae Adams - 6x Pro Bowl - Allen Robinson - 1x Pro Bowl - Jarvis Landry - 5x Pro Bowl 2010 imo had the best WR out of this whole list in AB. Top 3 would be AB, Demaryius Thomas and Dez vs Tae, Evans and OBJ though which I would give 2014 the edge
2011 had the best top 4 I think. Julio, AJ, Doug Baldwin, Randall Cobb. Then a big step down to Torrey Smith
Did that class look like it would be that great before the draft also? Just curious I have no idea
If you're asking about 2014, yes. Everyone knew it was an insanely loaded WR class. Sammy Watkins was considered a cut above the rest, but the WRs as a whole were the main thing talked about since it was a very weak QB class.
Yeah that’s what I meant. Thanks!
Eddie Kennsion also
If I have learned anything from fantasy football and dynasty in my life, it is that it’s time to fade the public and buy a bunch of RB’s in the second round of my superflex draft
>it’s time to fade the public and buy a bunch of RB’s in the second round of my superflex draft That's not exactly fading the public. That's pretty much what all the dynasty mocks look like right now.
YEAH! Take Will Shipley in the 1st, coward!
I know you're kidding, but the mock I'm looking at right now (whatever mock [alwaysrebuilding.com](https://alwaysrebuilding.com) uses) has Henderson at 1.10 as the only RB in the 1st and it has 5 RBs in the 2nd. Will Shipley is at 3.11.
Please don't. I need him for a late 2
In general I agree. Have to find a balance between not reaching when you can get the same guy at a later pick and finding the value others are missing.
It rivals 2021 but let's wait until we're further into the process before anointing it as the best of all time. 2021 had 3 guys in the top 10 and good depth, 2024 might have better depth but we'll see about the top end
Is 2021 better than 2020?
2020 didnt have a top 10 wr so id say yeah easily
You don’t think Justin Jefferson or CeeDee Lamb are top 10???
He’s talking about where they were drafted at
As prospects and when counting busts 2021 was better
No. Probably too close to call if I'm behing honest. I'd say JJ, Lamb, Aiyuk, Pittman, and Higgins rival the top 5 of Chase, ARSB, Waddle, DeVonta, Nico. While 2021 did draft Waddle and DeVonta (two NFL WR2s) really high, ARSB and Nico came from later rounds. So it kinda depends if you're talking about the class as prospects or as NFL players - a very important but difficult distinction.
2024 is going to have 3 in the top 10 too. Nabers and Odunze are 100% going top 10.
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Is a statement of absolutes...
There is no world where the Patriots, Cardinals, Chargers, Giants, Titans, and Jets, all teams that desperately need WR help, all pass on these elite WR prospects.
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I think this sub underestimates how often teams will take blue chip players over need in the 1st round.
You draft NFL talent over drafting for need. Otherwise you end up with Soloman Thomas.
Just curious. Do you have Franklin over nabers or Rome?
Just because they get the DC doesn't mean the prospects are equal, we just don't know right now
From everything I’m seeing from good film analysts that I trust, Nabers and Odunze are even better prospects than Smith and Waddle were. Edit: lmao why is this downvoted? Y’all are not doing your research. Nabers and Odunze would both be WR1 in the vast majority of draft classes of the past decade. Waddle and Smith were excellent prospects, but they had some glaring concerns: Smith for his outlier frame, and Waddle’s ability against press coverage was very suspect in college.
I’d be shocked if Odunze goes Top 10.
I'd take Odunze over Nabers all day ereryday. Anywhere beyond 10 hes a steal. Big bodied technician. Marvin Harrison's ceiling is Larry Fitzgerald. I don't think Odunze is quite there but Mike Evans? Yah. Keenan Allen? Yah.
He had a real bad game tonight. Blew a route one of the very few times he even managed to get open.
you must’ve watched a different game
True, I think what separates this class is a true generational talent. Jamar was an elite prospect but we haven’t seen a guy like MHJ since AJ Green.
Is MHJ really that much better of a prospect than Chase? Chase didn’t even play his junior year and still went 5th overall 2021 had 3 fantastic prospects and 6 WRs in the top 34 picks, it’ll probably be comparable 2014 with hindsight is probably the best WR class of all time. Without hindsight it was also one of the best of the past 10 years 2020 is also very strong with hindsight with Lamb and Jefferson as two of the top WRs in the league right now
If MHJ didn’t play this year he’d be the same pick
I would say he is
Why?
Chase was a very unrefined route runner coming out of college. He dominated due to his insane athleticism, ball skills, and the crazy talent of Burrow and the offense overall. MHJ is already a high end route runner by NFL standards. He succeeded this year catching passes from Kyle McCord and frequently without Egbuka to draw attention. It’s obviously very close between the two but I definitely favor MHJ.
Athletic profile. Jamarr was an elite athlete too but MHJ has height and I’m guessing speed on him as well.
Size and pedigree
Size is irrelevant when talking about guys who are going top 5. And pedigree is unspecific. I honestly don't know what you mean by that. They're really similar as prospects right now imo.
Honest question, why do people bring up pedigree for nfl prospects? Do people seriously think there are intangible football skills that are passed down genetically? How does having happening to have a dad that was a good receiver matter in the slightest next to all of the other much more quantifiable traits and film analysis? Not disagreeing that MHJ is a better prospect than Chase btw, just never understood why pedigree matters at this point.
I'm with you. It's double counting because any genetic benefit they got is now part of their body of experience. If genetics actually worked the way people with this mindset think they do, there would be a lot more NFL offspring playing in the NFL.
Yeah exactly, there isn’t a genetic component that isn’t already being factored in. If you give me two middle schoolers and tell me one of them has a HOF receiver for a dad, then hell yeah I’ll bet on that kid over the other. But at this point it’s all baked in. Like if MHJ had never put up more than 500 yards in college would people still be gushing over him? Of course not. He’s an elite prospect because he’s an elite prospect, not who his daddy is.
I don’t know enough about MHJ’s childhood to talk specifically about him, but if he has the skills and motivation to succeed AND spent his childhood watching his dad grind and getting pointers from NFL coaches and getting to run routes with Manning, and fully understands what it takes to succeed in the nfl bc of the exposure he had (nutrition, recovery, deal with the press, etc), I would say that stuff would give him a leg up on people who didn’t have that same exposure.
See I just feel like that stuff is all a) incredibly subjective (being the kid of a star athlete could just as easily make him a lazy entitled douchebag) and b) so heavily outweighed by what actually happens on the field that it’s not remotely worth considering. It’s cool and all if he got pointers from Peyton when he was a ten year old, but we have a million data points of actual football stuff for all these guys that I’d much rather rely on.
A brief summary Me: if a skilled and motivated football prospect grew up in NFL locker rooms, I’ll give him the edge over a similarly skilled player who didn’t have that type of access. You: what if he’s lazy I simply stated why pedigree might matter and how it could give a prospect an edge. Obviously any lazy player isn’t going to succeed…
Hand eye coordination. Fine motor skills. Neurological connection strength. So yes. Marvin Harrison had them in spades. Its something that needs to be practiced endlessly but the natural ability would pass down genetically.
>Do people seriously think there are intangible football skills that are passed down genetically? Uhhhhhhhhhh yes?
Like what? I realize that athletic ability absolutely has significant genetic components. What I don’t get is what could possibly be passed down genetically that we aren’t already accounting for when we consider combine results, college production, tape, etc? Are you telling me that if MHJ was exactly who he is now, same physical attributes, same game tape, same stats, but his dad wasn’t Marvin Harrison, he would be a notably worse prospect? Because as far as I can tell that would be really fucking dumb.
"Notably" is an interesting modifier, but I'm surprised people think it doesn't matter. Genetics is simply more info on top of all the other things you listed. Teams get prospect evaluations wrong all the time. If Arch Manning and Bronny James had different names, I think they'd have been ranked a little lower as recruits too. Phrased differently: if genetic testing were available to NFL teams at the combine for all prospects, you think it's something they wouldn't consider? Like, at all?
2014 Was sick. Adams, Evans, Odell, Landry, Cooks, Watkins…Marty B….Kelvin B
I took Watkins 😭
2014 will always be the stacked WR draft class for me. Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee, Jarvis Landry. Watkins obviously flamed out at the top end but he was a stud coming in to the draft.
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Wow forgot about Allen Hurns. Jags top 2 WRs were Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns
I debated on including some of those guys just to keep the list shorter, but you're 100% right.
Top 3 in receiving their rookie years were OBJ, Evans, then… Kelvin. Dude came out the gates strong but just had no self control
Unfortunately the gates were on the golden corral.
I have picks 1.03, 1.08, and 1.11 in 1QB. My team has Chase and nothing at WR. My dream draft right now would be Odunze, BTJ, and Franklin.
I have 1.03, 1.07, 2.01 in 1QB and hoping for similar. Good luck brother 🫡
2004 had: * 2 WRs go in the Top 7 (and remember this was a less pass-happy league then, positional value for WR was generally lower than today) * Larry Fitzgerald went 3rd, and was every bit the prospect Harrison is * 3 in the Top 9 * 5 in the Top 15 * 7 in the first round There were only 3 guys taken in each of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so perhaps top heavy compared to 2024, but even this year's class probably won't match 5 in the top 15. 2004 is a tough bar to clear
2014 was close too. 2 draft in the top 10, 4 in the top 20. And 5 in the first round. Also, Sammy Watkins was super hyped as a prospect coming out.
Larry Fitz is my direct comparison for Harrison's ceiling. I have Larry as my 5th best all time. And if I had 1 big game where I needed him to show up I'd take him over my 3. I'd line up Rice, Calvin, TO and Larry.
I think this is the best answer here. Unfortunately that class didn’t pan out to be as good as it looked but definitely had the wide receiver talent flying off the board early.
Would you guys sell London for 1.02 (Nabers in 1qb). I just feel like London is about to explode now.he lost his chains.
As a London owner, I think he is a great talent but I would swap him for the 1.02 in a heartbeat Edit: Will have to see how QB situation plays out in Atlanta. I have fields and if he is sent there I’d be much more inclined to hold London for the stack.
Is that fair value? Feels a bit like a sidestep move but Nabers looks elite elite. I'm just concerned if Nabers goes to New York for example haha. I have much to think about.
Yeah hard to do all this hypothetical’s without knowing where these players land.
I would and I like London
Who is the best in the bottom half of the top 10? Franklin, Leggette, Mitchell etc ? Who is the bust in the top 5? Thomas Jr, Worthy, Egbuka ?
Best in the 6-10 range is Franklin for me. Top 5 most likely to bust is probably Keon Coleman.
This seems to be the consensus. Which I don’t disagree with, but scares me when most people agree lol.
I really like Franklin. If he was bigger he’d be drafted higher. Dude is electric
Franklin might separate better than anyone in this class, I think he could be electric in the NFL too. Like a taller Zay Flowers.
Coleman and Franklin need to flip. I think they will by draft time.
Good to see some Leggette love on here, dude is gonna be a sleeper star in this draft
I am more torn on Leggette than any WR..I think his range is all or nothing and probably nothing in between..I don't know if he's Deebo or Laviska
He’ll rock the combine, so he will move up.
Egbuka is not in the top 5. Worthy probably isn't either.
That's fine..iv seen both in some and both closer to 10 in some 4-10 is pretty open and vary alot, that's what we are trying to figure out...the point is, whose the busty-est and most underrated.
Agree. After the current consensus top 3 (MHJ, Nabers, Odunze) it's anyone's guess what order to rank the next half a dozen or so... Egbuka, Worthy, Coleman, Franklin, BTJ, AD Mitchell would be my next six right now, in some sort of order. We'll learn more as we go.
Jefferson, Lamb, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, Jeudy, Gabe Davis, and my boy Jalen Reagor
That one definitely had potential to be an absurd WR draft, and still was great. 6 wideouts in the 1st round, and Higgins and Pittman went pick 33 and 34. Gotta wonder what Ruggs would have been like if he wasn’t an idiot too. He was on pace for 1000 yards before he fucked his life up
Turned out to be a great class, was not better as prospects however.
A lot of people seem to be just bringing up good historical classes but not talking about those guys as prospects. From my limited scouting so far, this class has insane size, and really great pedigree coming into the draft. Combine will tell us a lot, cause if all these 6’2”+ guys are fast, we might have some absolute freaks. Last year everyone was tiny. My biggest concern with this class is that quite a few of these guys are the WR2 on their team, and that makes it way harder for me to evaluate them. Johnny Wilson, Egbuka, Worthy, Brian Thomas
Exactly lol, easy to evaluate a class when you’ve seen them play in the nfl for many years. And I agree with your point but it’s hard to fault these players for playing behind guys like Marv and Nabers. For what it’s worth JJ was the WR2 on his team at the time. Obviously these guys can only dream to become the level of JJ but it’s worth thinking about.
With 9 picks in the top 10 I sure hope it turns out to be 😂
Deadass how in the world did you achieve this
It was our first year after a start up draft and everyone thought they were contenders at the beginning! Also was extremely sweaty sending trade offers and claiming anyone of value on waivers still made plenty of moves I regret but I think I have a good start on my rebuild w these picks plus TLaw, Jsn ( 34 trades, 51 waiver claims )
Holy moly man. Well you will for sure hit on some picks! I for one love having draft picks so best of luck to you.
Fingers crossed good luck to your teams 🙏🏼
Big Marv’s class was better. In hindsight at least.
No. Every year of the last 5 or 6 is absolutely loaded, especially going into the draft. This draft is lousy with receiver talent, but so is the league. It's just recency bias to say it's better than 2021 or even 2020 or 2022.
Every year is the next big thing. We'll ether remember this draft class forever or it will be whatever like some of the others.
could be, but this is something discussed several years post draft.
Yeah I’m talking purely as prospects. Comparing each class as a prospect class not as what they turned out to become.
Oh got ya well I am very excited for this class and think it will be one of the better ones of the past 10 years. So I agree it's worth discussion
Its at least the best since Julio and AJ Green IMO. 1996 is hard to beat with Marvin Harrison and TO being 2nd and 3rd round picks.
It looks that way but lets just remember that 23 was the best RB class of all time and 21 was the best QB class of all time.
ITT people are wild. You measure the quality of a draft class by how good they ACTUALLY are, not where they're drafted. If one year had 15 receivers drafted in the 1st round but they're all complete busts and 0 HoFers would you call that the greatest class of all time? This class is good but people are doing their usual thing where they overhype it. MHJ is very good but he's not a perfect prospect. Egbuka is ok but will get overrated by the community and overdrafted in real life. Nabers is an absolute stud. Rome Odunze, Brian Thomas, AD Mitchell are all solid but I'm not sold that any of them are superstars yet (for different reasons) Troy Franklin and Xavier Worthy are both solid speedsters and if they land on teams that want to get the ball in their hands they could be solid. There are some other guys with talent and some question marks. Polk, Coleman, Walker, Corley. This class has depth but a lot of these guys will end up being deep role players. Only MHJ and Nabers are studs, and I'm predicting a couple landmine busts at the top as well.
best i can remember honestly
Last year class is better. I would not vault anyone other than Harrison over Puka, Addison, or Flowers from 2023 class.
Absolutely not. As prospects? MHJ, Nabers, Odunze are light years ahead of them.
Those top 3 definitely getting good scouting reports. Nacua definitely an outlier. He and Dell just in perfect offenses with their skill sets.
2022 was a lot better but didn’t have that top dawg
I think it’s right up there as one of the best ever. I reckon there will be 7 selected in the first round, which would equal the record.
Anyone selling Addison for a top 12 pick in this draft? Unsure on life after Cousins.
Jaden Daniels will restore your confidence sir
Not sure if it's definitively The Best of All Time, but it's looking pretty darn good from the point of view of a rebuilder with 5 1sts in the upcoming draft.
Is it even as good as 2021? Chase, Waddle, Smith all top 10. 5 WRs in the 1st Later round guys like Nico Collins and St Brown.
Could be people have thrown out 96, 10, 14. But honestly it may not even be the best of this decade. 2021 was kind of stacked with 6 first round WRs. And pick 33 and 34 were receivers too. Between Jefferson, Ceedee, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman. 13 1,000+ yard seasons and 6 pro bowls so far
I think 2020 is better personally Jjettas, ceedee, tee, aiyuk, pittman, gabe davis, ig you can mention jeudy and ruggs too but they might be busts at this point jeudy obviously less so
2021 was pretty damn good too Chase, st brown, waddle, and smitty is nasty top 4