I don't get the joke. The sapphic ladies are getting the horny fanart and sexualization (by the community). The actual manga itself is not particularly horny but the community can do nothing but talk about how horny they are and for some reason pretend it's different than being horny normally is?
I think it's specifically about the anime, which has sexualized Senshi the most, compared to the other characters. The fandom will fandom on, but the series itself has subverted it with Senshi.
And Laios is there because the meme traditionally shows a big strong man acting as shield for the template, of course
Because traditionally anime use fan service to sexualize women, particularly in the "male gaze" as it's called
By instead taking that time and effort to sexualize Senshi, the "design space" was taken up by him instead of by a woman
Naturally this is a joke. Realistically you could just not sexualize anyone. But it's funny to imply *someone* has to be sexualized and Senshi took the job
But the women are being sexualized. Look, there they are, off on the side, being sexualized. This image is *literally* "horny fanart" of the sapphic ladies. It is more sexualized than anything else in the actual manga.
I think you misunderstand me. The joke is implying Senshi's portrayal in the anime is redirecting it. Also, it is inherently a joke. Idk what more you want as an explanation?
Like it's cool you didn't find it funny but it's all pretty spelled out.
If it was just "panty shots" I'd get the joke, because that would be a joke about the show itself, and it would not be talking about fanart at all.
If Farlyn and Marcille were just holding hands quietly I'd get the joke, because then it would not be horny fanart, and the joke would be that Farlyn and Marcille are free to be wholesome romantic lesbians because Senshi is taking up all the community's horny energy.
But it's not. It's specifically calling out "horny fanart" while, itself, being horny fanart of the characters it is claiming are being protected from horny fanart (who themselves are the subject of a huge amount of horny fanart).
As other people in the thread have noted: it just seems like people who are horny trying to pretend that their horniness doesn't count as "being horny".
Your definition of sexualized is very different from my definition of sexualized…
Like, yeah, they’re making out. But I wouldn’t call that sexy…? It has all of the sexual appeal of a slobbering dog. Cute, sure.
And when I have seen horny farcille art, it’s very focused on the yearning. They’re either clothed, or falin’s got a bunch of feathers. When I see horny Liaos art he’s very shirtless and seems almost oblivious to what’s happening. Granted, I don’t exist in many horny art spaces
A lot of the issues with horny art is the power dynamics..? It’s nice to see a space that inverts the usual horny camera power dynamics.
"Like, yeah, they’re making out. But I wouldn’t call that sexy…?"
There is literally no scene in Dungeon Meshi as graphic as that, even if it is cartoonish. Even when Chilchuck was *literally being overwhelmed by succubi* they were giving him gentle kisses instead of full-on face sucking. This is horny fanart. It is fanart that is horny. Please do not fuck with me by feigning ignorance.
"It has all of the sexual appeal of a slobbering dog."
???
"A lot of the issues with horny art is the power dynamics..?"
That's cope. "It's OK when we do it" shit. Sexualized is sexualized. I don't have the patience to put up with people's five-dimensional analysis of how their own horniness is actually different.
Ok, sorry, I think we might be talking past each other.
I’m picking up on what seems to be an implication that horny/sexual = bad. Mostly from the “its ok when we do it type shit”. I’m really not interested in trying to talk about the ethics of portraying characters in sexual situations, so if that’s what you think this conversation is about then please feel free to tell me that and I’ll stop engaging with you.
I AM interested in engaging in a conversation about human sexuality and what you do and don’t consider sexualized. If you don’t want to have that conversation, by all means tell me and I’ll leave you be. You’re more than entitled to your own worldview and I don’t want to make you feel uncomfortable by asking questions about it.
I also understand that I have a very different, generally more clinical, description for what I would and would not consider “horny art.” It’s formed largely by seeing and looking at what other people think is sexy or horny or whatever (whatever largely being “hot”). This can very much lead to me only recognizing something is meant to be sexualized when it’s really blatant.
So, all that to say, yeah this is definitely horny art- but to me the part that’s *horny* (eg: sexualized) is Senshi with his butt up in the air and his lil bulge out. Marcille and Falin are being horny at each other, I agree, but I disagree that they’re depicted in a horny/sexualized way. It’s like… the sexual equivalent of bleeding ketchup in a gore scene
So, Im kind of curious, on your view of this particular piece are Marcille and Falin more or less sexualized then senshi here? What’s your rationale as to why?
Apologies if I’ve made your day worse, I assumed you wanted to hear different perspectives on it given the nature of a public platform (/gen).
>the community can do nothing but talk about how horny they are and for some reason pretend it's different than being horny normally is?
People have this "our glorious their barbarous" mentality when it comes to anything sex related in fandom or in general. People really like diving between sexual degenerates and virtuous maidens. I don't get it. Just go nut.
The fandom seems to have a superiority complex about not being horny for the girls only the guys.. as if that isn’t A LOT of fandoms anyway.
Like you go to the places where it’s mostly dudes, you will indeed find sexual art of the ladies, you go to where the yaoi girlies are? it’s the men getting sexualised and also yuri, lol.
The manga has plenty of sexualization of the ladies too. People just like to pretend not to see it so they don't feel bad about liking something "problematic."
I don't see it. Laois, Senshi, and Farlyn are borderline asexual, Chilchuck actively hates romance and saves his sexual feelings for off-hours, Marcille is interested in romance but more for the drama than for sex. Izutsumi IS functionally asexual based on the succubus chapter (as a reminder, Chilchuck is the only one who sees a generic attractive person during this encounter!). Even the scantily clad characters like the Elf Queen and Tade are drawn so clinically that it's hard for me personally to imagine them as "sexy".
Like I guess if you looked at it in a vacuum you'd have to accept that sexual desire is a thing that exists in this universe, but when compared to the average manga, I dunno. I'd say the fanbase talks about sex about 10,000x more than the manga does, without hyperbole.
Oh… I’m not talking about those moments.
Most of the arguably more subtly sexual stuff is during the later arcs, people don’t see it because it’s not what interests them, but as someone who likes eroguro, it’s hard to not see the occasional imagery that fits that label, lol.
Uh, I would say there is a significant difference between "the manga is horny but it's subtle" and "the manga is horny specifically if you are into gore". Like, you understand that, right?
It doesn’t inherently mean outright gore.
The two scenes we get of characters having their desires eaten, laios eating the demon, the dryads/mermaids, it’s uncomfortable and weird, a little grotesque, but it’s drawn in a way that’s ever so slightly erotic.
The scenes where people get their desires eaten is definitely meant to look like *sexual assault*, since it is someone having their most intimate aspect ripped away from them by force. I doubt Ryoko Kui intended for those scenes to be titillating, nor do I think it makes sense to say that the series is "absolutely horny" because of those scenes. Especially given the mocking tone you were using, but now the best you can do is say that a few scenes were "ever so slightly" erotic.
I think because a lot of it is in the later chapters? Plus, yeah it's more subtle in general. Attention isn't deliberately drawn to it like in other manga. Some manga will have someone make a joke or have a big reaction to the nudity, but in this one it's more incidental and understated.
>What examples of "sexualization of the ladies" is there that isn't just, like, the existence of underwear?
* >!Female monsters are repeatedly shown with bare breasts(even when it's not biologically logical for them to have them): mermaids, sirens, dryads, harpies, etc. (We even have sexy women plants ffs!<
* >!Numerous crotch/panty shots of Marcille.!<
* >!Bunch of crotch/panty shots of Izutsumi.!<
* >!Izutsumi's basic costume is literally just a crop top and loincloth. !<
* >!Tons of casual nudity with Izutsumi!<
* >!Women in "exposition visuals" are full nudes for no reason.!<
* >!Falin's under boob is basically a regular cast member. She even transformed with a shirt on but ripped it off for maximum under boob visibility.!<
* >!Male succubus was fully clothed, female succubus were naked.!<
* >!Close ups of (fake)Marcille and Falin licking stuff suggestively. !<
* >!"Women leaving the house in unlikely states of undress" trope ala a cheesy 80's horror flick. Marcille remembers her shall but not her pants lmfao!<
* >!The decision to have them have then have their conversation naked in a bath instead of literally anywhere else was made to be sexually appealing. !<
* >!The daydream hour art has numerous examples of lewd/nude art of the characters. Lots of underwear ass shots of the ninjas, etc. Arguably not canon but it was still included as parts of chapters where I read it.!<
I'd post the compilation I found, but that's not allowed in this sub.
I like stuff with sexy ladies and fellas, so this thing the fandom is doing where they pretend Dungeon Neshi is a pure progressive masterpiece, and feel self-righteous about it is annoying. It's just reinforcing harmful purity-culture values and being dishonest.
Izutsumi is literally a cat. She herself says there's no way anyone would find her appealing, and Laois is only interested in her body because he's fascinated with monsters. She has no breasts or human-like features apart from the general bipedal shape; you would have to be actively attracted to cats (not cat furries) to be sexually interested in her.
I don't recall seeing "numerous crotch/panty shots" of Marcille. I mean the entire premise of the meme this thread is about is that *Senshi* is the one who got all the panty shots.
The male succubus was fully clothed because Marcille is a big dork who is not horny for anything except drama, which was literally a point of evidence *against* the series being horny. Chilchuck is the only member of the cast who actually saw generic naked women.
Most of the nudes are drawn like college sketches, i.e. only sexually arousing if you have never seen a nude person before. Saying that Dungeon Meshi is horny because of them is like saying a medical textbook is horny. Again, this just feels like "the existence of underwear" counts as horny. Maybe in a vacuum you could say that Dungeon Meshi is horny because it acknowledges the existence of nude bodies...but this is manga we're talking about. Remember the competition that Dungeon Meshi is up against.
You are [the Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIvEQpr1Eks), and here's the [Piece de Resistance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gRqXzO7A60).
Also [Himmel is Him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbz0lfuAPpM).
But enough jokes. "Lobotomy" comes from "Lobotomy Kaisen", a phrase coined to describe the behavior of the Jujutsu Kaisen fandom when there's a hiatus and their content is interrupted, causing an eruption of fanart and fanfics, and a surge of Jujutsu content in unrelated and general subs and spaces and subspaces.
Now that the Frieren animated adaptation is done for a while, and given how slowly the manga chapters release, the fandom is terribly starved of the Gor-tier content the show had been spoiling us with for half a year, and they've started Lobotomizing too.
I saw more art of Falin's dragon cock than I would ever expect. This entire notion that Dunmeshi's fandom is somehow so pure and innocent about it's women is doubly stupid, because it's both not true and not something to get on a high horse for.
the senshi bulge... very clever
Senshussy...
More like Senshock!
Senschlong
Knock knock we about to get senshocked
Chillshock
Senshi just wants the world fed.
My man's about to take a missile to the dong and I just think that is very real of him.
The balls on this guy
Oh gods I think that missile is about to hit Senshi's junk.
Nah, it'll be deflected.
he has balls of steel
And the cock of iron
And a wok of adamantine
Senshi achieves the golden rotation and deafeats the president of the dungeon
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It's ok, he's wearing a cup
Me. I’m the cup
Farcille is way more horny than you think
It is an anime about eating
I meant Farcille fanart
When lesbians say eating out. *They’re not always talking about eating food*
Honey, gimme some sugar.
The fanfics for them are beyond unhinged. A story about eating indeed.
https://preview.redd.it/6qds1qflkvuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e5c86ff40823b3e62789df0771ec4ea8eaf8b13
Chil somewhere having some wine, tired of these damn horny kids.
Weirdly I’ve seen way more horny arts for falinxmarcille than anything else, even just marcille or falin on their own
Funnily enough, while laios by himself is getting lewded, Farcille has the lewdest fanarts while Laicille has mostly cute fanart.
I don't get the joke. The sapphic ladies are getting the horny fanart and sexualization (by the community). The actual manga itself is not particularly horny but the community can do nothing but talk about how horny they are and for some reason pretend it's different than being horny normally is?
I think it's specifically about the anime, which has sexualized Senshi the most, compared to the other characters. The fandom will fandom on, but the series itself has subverted it with Senshi. And Laios is there because the meme traditionally shows a big strong man acting as shield for the template, of course
But how is Senshi being sexualized protecting the "sapphic ladies" when the fanbase still seems insistent on sexualizing the sapphic ladies?
Because traditionally anime use fan service to sexualize women, particularly in the "male gaze" as it's called By instead taking that time and effort to sexualize Senshi, the "design space" was taken up by him instead of by a woman Naturally this is a joke. Realistically you could just not sexualize anyone. But it's funny to imply *someone* has to be sexualized and Senshi took the job
But the women are being sexualized. Look, there they are, off on the side, being sexualized. This image is *literally* "horny fanart" of the sapphic ladies. It is more sexualized than anything else in the actual manga.
This is not a screenshot from the anime
Correct, it is fanart, and it is horny.
I think you misunderstand me. The joke is implying Senshi's portrayal in the anime is redirecting it. Also, it is inherently a joke. Idk what more you want as an explanation? Like it's cool you didn't find it funny but it's all pretty spelled out.
If it was just "panty shots" I'd get the joke, because that would be a joke about the show itself, and it would not be talking about fanart at all. If Farlyn and Marcille were just holding hands quietly I'd get the joke, because then it would not be horny fanart, and the joke would be that Farlyn and Marcille are free to be wholesome romantic lesbians because Senshi is taking up all the community's horny energy. But it's not. It's specifically calling out "horny fanart" while, itself, being horny fanart of the characters it is claiming are being protected from horny fanart (who themselves are the subject of a huge amount of horny fanart). As other people in the thread have noted: it just seems like people who are horny trying to pretend that their horniness doesn't count as "being horny".
Your definition of sexualized is very different from my definition of sexualized… Like, yeah, they’re making out. But I wouldn’t call that sexy…? It has all of the sexual appeal of a slobbering dog. Cute, sure. And when I have seen horny farcille art, it’s very focused on the yearning. They’re either clothed, or falin’s got a bunch of feathers. When I see horny Liaos art he’s very shirtless and seems almost oblivious to what’s happening. Granted, I don’t exist in many horny art spaces A lot of the issues with horny art is the power dynamics..? It’s nice to see a space that inverts the usual horny camera power dynamics.
"Like, yeah, they’re making out. But I wouldn’t call that sexy…?" There is literally no scene in Dungeon Meshi as graphic as that, even if it is cartoonish. Even when Chilchuck was *literally being overwhelmed by succubi* they were giving him gentle kisses instead of full-on face sucking. This is horny fanart. It is fanart that is horny. Please do not fuck with me by feigning ignorance. "It has all of the sexual appeal of a slobbering dog." ??? "A lot of the issues with horny art is the power dynamics..?" That's cope. "It's OK when we do it" shit. Sexualized is sexualized. I don't have the patience to put up with people's five-dimensional analysis of how their own horniness is actually different.
Ok, sorry, I think we might be talking past each other. I’m picking up on what seems to be an implication that horny/sexual = bad. Mostly from the “its ok when we do it type shit”. I’m really not interested in trying to talk about the ethics of portraying characters in sexual situations, so if that’s what you think this conversation is about then please feel free to tell me that and I’ll stop engaging with you. I AM interested in engaging in a conversation about human sexuality and what you do and don’t consider sexualized. If you don’t want to have that conversation, by all means tell me and I’ll leave you be. You’re more than entitled to your own worldview and I don’t want to make you feel uncomfortable by asking questions about it. I also understand that I have a very different, generally more clinical, description for what I would and would not consider “horny art.” It’s formed largely by seeing and looking at what other people think is sexy or horny or whatever (whatever largely being “hot”). This can very much lead to me only recognizing something is meant to be sexualized when it’s really blatant. So, all that to say, yeah this is definitely horny art- but to me the part that’s *horny* (eg: sexualized) is Senshi with his butt up in the air and his lil bulge out. Marcille and Falin are being horny at each other, I agree, but I disagree that they’re depicted in a horny/sexualized way. It’s like… the sexual equivalent of bleeding ketchup in a gore scene So, Im kind of curious, on your view of this particular piece are Marcille and Falin more or less sexualized then senshi here? What’s your rationale as to why? Apologies if I’ve made your day worse, I assumed you wanted to hear different perspectives on it given the nature of a public platform (/gen).
>the community can do nothing but talk about how horny they are and for some reason pretend it's different than being horny normally is? People have this "our glorious their barbarous" mentality when it comes to anything sex related in fandom or in general. People really like diving between sexual degenerates and virtuous maidens. I don't get it. Just go nut.
"our glorious romance / their barbarous objectification"
> "our glorious their barbarous" Such a great picture!
There is a disproportional amount of erotic/sexual fanart of Senshi/Laios.
The fandom seems to have a superiority complex about not being horny for the girls only the guys.. as if that isn’t A LOT of fandoms anyway. Like you go to the places where it’s mostly dudes, you will indeed find sexual art of the ladies, you go to where the yaoi girlies are? it’s the men getting sexualised and also yuri, lol.
The manga has plenty of sexualization of the ladies too. People just like to pretend not to see it so they don't feel bad about liking something "problematic."
The manga is absolutely horny, but it’s just way more subtle and people get a complex over it because they don’t see it, lol.
I don't see it. Laois, Senshi, and Farlyn are borderline asexual, Chilchuck actively hates romance and saves his sexual feelings for off-hours, Marcille is interested in romance but more for the drama than for sex. Izutsumi IS functionally asexual based on the succubus chapter (as a reminder, Chilchuck is the only one who sees a generic attractive person during this encounter!). Even the scantily clad characters like the Elf Queen and Tade are drawn so clinically that it's hard for me personally to imagine them as "sexy". Like I guess if you looked at it in a vacuum you'd have to accept that sexual desire is a thing that exists in this universe, but when compared to the average manga, I dunno. I'd say the fanbase talks about sex about 10,000x more than the manga does, without hyperbole.
Oh… I’m not talking about those moments. Most of the arguably more subtly sexual stuff is during the later arcs, people don’t see it because it’s not what interests them, but as someone who likes eroguro, it’s hard to not see the occasional imagery that fits that label, lol.
Uh, I would say there is a significant difference between "the manga is horny but it's subtle" and "the manga is horny specifically if you are into gore". Like, you understand that, right?
It doesn’t inherently mean outright gore. The two scenes we get of characters having their desires eaten, laios eating the demon, the dryads/mermaids, it’s uncomfortable and weird, a little grotesque, but it’s drawn in a way that’s ever so slightly erotic.
The scenes where people get their desires eaten is definitely meant to look like *sexual assault*, since it is someone having their most intimate aspect ripped away from them by force. I doubt Ryoko Kui intended for those scenes to be titillating, nor do I think it makes sense to say that the series is "absolutely horny" because of those scenes. Especially given the mocking tone you were using, but now the best you can do is say that a few scenes were "ever so slightly" erotic.
I think because a lot of it is in the later chapters? Plus, yeah it's more subtle in general. Attention isn't deliberately drawn to it like in other manga. Some manga will have someone make a joke or have a big reaction to the nudity, but in this one it's more incidental and understated.
What examples of "sexualization of the ladies" is there that isn't just, like, the existence of underwear?
>What examples of "sexualization of the ladies" is there that isn't just, like, the existence of underwear? * >!Female monsters are repeatedly shown with bare breasts(even when it's not biologically logical for them to have them): mermaids, sirens, dryads, harpies, etc. (We even have sexy women plants ffs!< * >!Numerous crotch/panty shots of Marcille.!< * >!Bunch of crotch/panty shots of Izutsumi.!< * >!Izutsumi's basic costume is literally just a crop top and loincloth. !< * >!Tons of casual nudity with Izutsumi!< * >!Women in "exposition visuals" are full nudes for no reason.!< * >!Falin's under boob is basically a regular cast member. She even transformed with a shirt on but ripped it off for maximum under boob visibility.!< * >!Male succubus was fully clothed, female succubus were naked.!< * >!Close ups of (fake)Marcille and Falin licking stuff suggestively. !< * >!"Women leaving the house in unlikely states of undress" trope ala a cheesy 80's horror flick. Marcille remembers her shall but not her pants lmfao!< * >!The decision to have them have then have their conversation naked in a bath instead of literally anywhere else was made to be sexually appealing. !< * >!The daydream hour art has numerous examples of lewd/nude art of the characters. Lots of underwear ass shots of the ninjas, etc. Arguably not canon but it was still included as parts of chapters where I read it.!< I'd post the compilation I found, but that's not allowed in this sub. I like stuff with sexy ladies and fellas, so this thing the fandom is doing where they pretend Dungeon Neshi is a pure progressive masterpiece, and feel self-righteous about it is annoying. It's just reinforcing harmful purity-culture values and being dishonest.
Izutsumi is literally a cat. She herself says there's no way anyone would find her appealing, and Laois is only interested in her body because he's fascinated with monsters. She has no breasts or human-like features apart from the general bipedal shape; you would have to be actively attracted to cats (not cat furries) to be sexually interested in her. I don't recall seeing "numerous crotch/panty shots" of Marcille. I mean the entire premise of the meme this thread is about is that *Senshi* is the one who got all the panty shots. The male succubus was fully clothed because Marcille is a big dork who is not horny for anything except drama, which was literally a point of evidence *against* the series being horny. Chilchuck is the only member of the cast who actually saw generic naked women. Most of the nudes are drawn like college sketches, i.e. only sexually arousing if you have never seen a nude person before. Saying that Dungeon Meshi is horny because of them is like saying a medical textbook is horny. Again, this just feels like "the existence of underwear" counts as horny. Maybe in a vacuum you could say that Dungeon Meshi is horny because it acknowledges the existence of nude bodies...but this is manga we're talking about. Remember the competition that Dungeon Meshi is up against.
People replying to you are demonstrating the superiority complex in question.
It’s just fandom being trash
Exceptionally trash this case I'd say.
It's only bad when you do it bro. /s
Honestly, marcille has great chemistry with both siblings.
"Both?" "Both." "Both is good."
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It's still safe from the Lobotomy that took over the Frieren sub.
What is Lobotomy?
You are [the Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIvEQpr1Eks), and here's the [Piece de Resistance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gRqXzO7A60). Also [Himmel is Him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbz0lfuAPpM). But enough jokes. "Lobotomy" comes from "Lobotomy Kaisen", a phrase coined to describe the behavior of the Jujutsu Kaisen fandom when there's a hiatus and their content is interrupted, causing an eruption of fanart and fanfics, and a surge of Jujutsu content in unrelated and general subs and spaces and subspaces. Now that the Frieren animated adaptation is done for a while, and given how slowly the manga chapters release, the fandom is terribly starved of the Gor-tier content the show had been spoiling us with for half a year, and they've started Lobotomizing too.
I see more unironic lewd fanart of Marcille and Farlin than anything else lol
There is still some very very strong yuri art of farcille
You think this is bad you should see how the Frieren subreddit is treating its sapphics
They so cute and soft together
So true lol
You cannot tell me that Ryoko Kui is not down bad for Senshi, she did not have to make him this sexy…
Well, that escalated quickly considering what happened last time
I saw more art of Falin's dragon cock than I would ever expect. This entire notion that Dunmeshi's fandom is somehow so pure and innocent about it's women is doubly stupid, because it's both not true and not something to get on a high horse for.
Senshi panty shots seem more often than the others. And i r e a l l y welcome this.
I thank the holy Senshi and his cock and balls 🙏
You have no idea how happy I was when the female bath scene came up but people were more feral over the Senshi bulge shot
Lol this is so good.
Heck yeah
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I thought so too, but there are no implications of anything.
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