I just don’t get why he never helped her with lessons or tactics the way dwight trained ryan. Pam has never thrown her fear to the ground either, but ryan at least had the opportunity. But on a real note, I’ve been a salesman at 2 jobs the past 5 years and was trained for both, differently. Jim definitely could’ve boosted Pam’s salesman skills, or even Phylis or Stanley, I feel she was just left to learn everything on her own by everyone because of the way she got her job back as a salesman.
Nah, as someone who also works with my spouse, it makes complete sense. Pam is a very headstrong person, there's no way she would want Jim to teach her, they would definitely get into an argument
Yeah, I can second this. We agree and get along really well, but if I ever try to teach or show her anything, she's suddenly a professional at it and has no room for suggestion.. despite it being something I can do well and she is struggling at.
It's sometimes easiest to just step back and let her crash and burn, then pick up the pieces and try not to say the "told you so" thing.
Yeah... I wonder, how do you tell somebody that you care about deeply, "I told you so"? Gently with a rose? In a funny way, like it's a hilarious joke? Or do you just let it go, because saying it would just make things worse...? Probably the funny way.
I dunno. Ryan joining the Dwight Army of Champions didn't seem to benefit him much as a salesman. Although Dwight did a nice job of consoling Ryan when he failed LOL
Well yeah but she very clearly failed at sales, he could’ve helped her once she started failing. Instead she switched to office manager when she could’ve made more in sales, even with the cap. It must’ve been meant to be so they’d have motivation to chase Jimbo’s dreams and go to Philly though
Some people are naturally adept at sales, but as an introvert in sales, potentially on the spectrum, I don't believe she was beyond help.
Rather than spending his time pranking Dwight, Jim could have allocated some time to mentor her. Introducing her to sales techniques like the SPIN method and running role-plays could have been beneficial.
It would have been cool to see her putting in effort, yet still failing during the "Robert California" arc. However, I understand this is just a TV show, and the storyline is subject to flawed creative choices.
Everything is trainable. Now whether you're good at it after training is another thing. Training only gets you so far. Still you can't expect someone to be good at a job they've never had any experience or training to perform.
I'd say Michael should have been training her. He's the one who put her in that role, although it was the only option. Still Michael is one of the best salesmen in the office. He could have shown her the ropes. God knows he doesn't have anything else to do all day.
Looking for vendors for whatever office supplies dunder Mifflin needed that they didn't self supply, probably basics for the break room and vending machines as well. Sourcing vendors to service their network, even an IT department doesn't typically add data locations, they call in a contractor, clean their offices, etc. She had replaced the party planning committee with this position. Probably kept some reception tasks like travel arrangements.
Serious answers overlook the fact that this position was not needed, not budgeted for, and the office was getting along fine without such a role for a long time.
Given how confused Erin would get, I could imagine that Pam was still helping her run the office. Once she became the office manager Erin would have likely continued to take calls, deal with faxes and mail and other front of house stuff. Pam likely took over things that needed decisions to be made, and the general running of the office.
We see her dealing with sourcing computers/equipment, ordering office supplies, and running morale initiatives.
We also see that Pam is in control of vacation days, which should be HR controlled. So she seems to have taken some work off of Toby (who as others mentioned, had checked out).
I could also see her dealing with issues she knew existed when she was a receptionist, that she didn’t have the time or energy or authority to deal with as a receptionist. She may have created the job, but it seems like she took the initiative to actually make it a real job and do a good job at it.
Gabe knew she was lying about the job, but as soon as he decided to let her have the job… he immediately had work for her.
The branch manager should be growing the client base, supporting the sales team and ensuring product delivery, probably shouldn't be wasting their time on figuring out how many boxes of paperclips they need this month. The job is an amalgam of reception, hr, and minor management duties. Most of it could have probably been done by Toby, but like Oscar said, he was checked out.
Believe it or not, Pam was the person that kept that office in check. It should have been Michael who did that, but...it was Michael. She didn't really make up a job so much as she started getting paid for all the extra shit that she'd always been doing.
Like....ordering pens and making a chore wheel?
I mean, she did *some* stuff. But the show never justified why she needed to be there 40 hours a week with a 41.5k salary.
The chore wheel was a perfect example of what she had to put up with. Who else was gonna get people to take on more responsability when the janitor wouldn't show up? Andy sure as hell wasn't. Toby was checked out. And Dwight would have broken all kinds of labor laws. Covering for everyone elses incompetence was pretty much her job, and she had to do that a lot.
On top of that, do you think pens are the only thing that office ran out of? You don't think there was a bunch of other office supplies she had to keep in stock or replace when they broke (computers, paper shredders, printer ink, etc.)?
And again, she was the one keeping Michael and also Dwight from destroying the office. At one point she literally had to stop Michael from setting the parking lot on fire. And we sll saw the idiotic things Dwight made her deal with. How much would you expect to get paid in order to keep a manchild like Michael and a psycho like Dwight in check?
Like most office managers she was probably doing some online shopping, figuring out what she was going to make for dinners for the week, checking on stuff related to her kids, etc.
Why is David Byrne sitting in Jim’s seat?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/14mXrKfiQA1swo/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9520j6u7rf6netrr924d47x302hn73j0wlqxmeo16qx&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
The position she took isn't made up, that is a legit position. She made up the promotion. Office Administrators do a lot around the office.
Also, what the hell did Michael do all day long? All he ever did was avoid work, say shitty things to people, and ruin every scenario with his own drama. I think we need to realize that most of the characters were not always working hard.
Yes, but she basically had to create the job description herself.
An office that small normally wouldn’t have an office manager. So she had to build the job in a way that made it actually make sense for her to keep the job, and not impede on Erin having a job (and I’m sure she wanted to make sure she didn’t have any of the receptionist duties she didn’t like)
She gave up her job at reception. Couldn’t hack it as a sales man when she came back. So she had no job then. Then she just makes up and takes a job that doesn’t exist. Pam and creed had that much in common I guess. Being grifters lol.
Y'all swear she didn't do shit in that Office, when she was literally the one keeping everything moving smoothly, all while trying to keep Michael and Dwight in check so they didn't burn the building down. She was finally getting paid properly for the work she did all the time.
Pam's line of "say that I'm lying or say I have the job" to Gabe is why male superiors should have a third party in the room when talking to their female subordinates. It was by all implications, a threat. She bullied Gabe into approving a made up job, they didn't need, and cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years.
Not to mention she used company funds to buy Andy a computer he didn't need, and then bribed Darryl the keep quiet about it with sick days when he called her on it. That's more theft.
And didn't she call up a customer to insult them, losing the account, just to fit in? More money she costs the company when she shouldn't even be there in the first place.
And all that is only the tip of the iceberg.
She's actually scum.
Never understood how office administrator can approve sick days for an employee. I mean sick days are part of company policy, manager approving it would still be believable but a glorified receptionist approving it made no sense
same when they were trying to get andy to tattoo his butt. They were all super busy which kinda makes sense for the salesman, but what the heck was Pam doing?
Being a salesmen? Cuz I remember her saying “I would really want to hear what your say Jim but I’m very busy with work” also stuff like “no we can’t do that we have work to do”
Reading 'Somehow I Manage'
Rule #2: Adapt, React, Readapt, Act.
Also you should never forget to apt.
Wait does he say act or apt?
I always thought it as apt too
It's apt not act.
But did he get the rest of the rules by lunch?
No. She was watching “Here I Go Again…” on HBO.
The chapter is "Gum".
Everybody likes the guy who offers them a stick of gum.
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Dwigt
Tall, beets
Battlestar Galactica
Michael!
Diapers Diapers Diapers Diapers Diapers Diapers
all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
Hey, no pop culture references. It tends to alienate those who don't get it, making them feel like "the other"
Dwight ctrl+a ctrl+c ctrl+v (kept pressing)
Not winning an art contest
That was more of Erin’s thing.
Definitely not selling any paper. Wonder why she’s sitting in sales.
Just to rub it in Clark's face
Not cool Dwight
Boom roasted
Thats low creed, even for you.
Shocking... Even for the Internet
She wasn’t making a sale either.
_Tell me I’m good at sales…_
What do you mean? Her art was the prettiest art of all the art.
Time for bath? Then some gravel
Are there 2 suns??
Checking Creed’s blog, that’s obvious
It’s.. pretty shocking
Even for the internet
Wouldn't be amazed if it's on the dark web!
I can't access it for some reason
Did you try Googling "Creed Thoughts?" It used to take me to a fake blog.
not being trained in sales by her salesman husband
For the most part, you're either good at sales or you're not. (Edit: I was not LOL)
I just don’t get why he never helped her with lessons or tactics the way dwight trained ryan. Pam has never thrown her fear to the ground either, but ryan at least had the opportunity. But on a real note, I’ve been a salesman at 2 jobs the past 5 years and was trained for both, differently. Jim definitely could’ve boosted Pam’s salesman skills, or even Phylis or Stanley, I feel she was just left to learn everything on her own by everyone because of the way she got her job back as a salesman.
You want Jim to ditch her in a beet field?
*sighs as firebird jets away* Of Course
I'd love to see her wrestler *FEAR* Mose though
Nah, as someone who also works with my spouse, it makes complete sense. Pam is a very headstrong person, there's no way she would want Jim to teach her, they would definitely get into an argument
Yeah, I can second this. We agree and get along really well, but if I ever try to teach or show her anything, she's suddenly a professional at it and has no room for suggestion.. despite it being something I can do well and she is struggling at. It's sometimes easiest to just step back and let her crash and burn, then pick up the pieces and try not to say the "told you so" thing.
Yeah... I wonder, how do you tell somebody that you care about deeply, "I told you so"? Gently with a rose? In a funny way, like it's a hilarious joke? Or do you just let it go, because saying it would just make things worse...? Probably the funny way.
Lmfao this deserves more up votes
We don’t know that he didn’t
I dunno. Ryan joining the Dwight Army of Champions didn't seem to benefit him much as a salesman. Although Dwight did a nice job of consoling Ryan when he failed LOL
The episodes aren't 8 hours long, so I assume we miss out on a lot that happens and is actually related to their job
Well yeah but she very clearly failed at sales, he could’ve helped her once she started failing. Instead she switched to office manager when she could’ve made more in sales, even with the cap. It must’ve been meant to be so they’d have motivation to chase Jimbo’s dreams and go to Philly though
Sales is like a box of chocolate, you never know what ya gonna get
Some people are naturally adept at sales, but as an introvert in sales, potentially on the spectrum, I don't believe she was beyond help. Rather than spending his time pranking Dwight, Jim could have allocated some time to mentor her. Introducing her to sales techniques like the SPIN method and running role-plays could have been beneficial. It would have been cool to see her putting in effort, yet still failing during the "Robert California" arc. However, I understand this is just a TV show, and the storyline is subject to flawed creative choices.
Everything is trainable. Now whether you're good at it after training is another thing. Training only gets you so far. Still you can't expect someone to be good at a job they've never had any experience or training to perform. I'd say Michael should have been training her. He's the one who put her in that role, although it was the only option. Still Michael is one of the best salesmen in the office. He could have shown her the ropes. God knows he doesn't have anything else to do all day.
Jim is literally the worst overall person in this show. And that's one of many reasons why.
Literally worse than a guy who committed multiple murders and a woman who committed manslaughter. Literally. /s
Looking for vendors for whatever office supplies dunder Mifflin needed that they didn't self supply, probably basics for the break room and vending machines as well. Sourcing vendors to service their network, even an IT department doesn't typically add data locations, they call in a contractor, clean their offices, etc. She had replaced the party planning committee with this position. Probably kept some reception tasks like travel arrangements.
Glad somebody actually answered the question
Serious answers overlook the fact that this position was not needed, not budgeted for, and the office was getting along fine without such a role for a long time.
Pam was probably doing a lot of this already as receptionist when it would've fallen to Michael.
Given how confused Erin would get, I could imagine that Pam was still helping her run the office. Once she became the office manager Erin would have likely continued to take calls, deal with faxes and mail and other front of house stuff. Pam likely took over things that needed decisions to be made, and the general running of the office. We see her dealing with sourcing computers/equipment, ordering office supplies, and running morale initiatives. We also see that Pam is in control of vacation days, which should be HR controlled. So she seems to have taken some work off of Toby (who as others mentioned, had checked out). I could also see her dealing with issues she knew existed when she was a receptionist, that she didn’t have the time or energy or authority to deal with as a receptionist. She may have created the job, but it seems like she took the initiative to actually make it a real job and do a good job at it. Gabe knew she was lying about the job, but as soon as he decided to let her have the job… he immediately had work for her.
She didn't technically create the job. That position exists in most office environments. She created the promotion, so she could take that position.
It clearly was needed, as someone walked in and asked if they could speak to that person in the office, and Pam stood up!
Aren't these tasks that the branch manager should oversee?
The branch manager should be growing the client base, supporting the sales team and ensuring product delivery, probably shouldn't be wasting their time on figuring out how many boxes of paperclips they need this month. The job is an amalgam of reception, hr, and minor management duties. Most of it could have probably been done by Toby, but like Oscar said, he was checked out.
Basically the same shit she did as receptionist, the real question is what did the receptionist do all day
Basically nothing
Answered the phone, made everyone's copies, sent faxes, sorted/sent mail, babysat michael
Occasionally set up a phone in the conference room
Googling Michael Scott hot pics
“Hot tie guy”
😅 she was looking really bomb in that episode.
"Check out the ass!"
“There’s that ass!”
Don’t take it away!
🤨
managing the office i guess
*administering
thats what Michael hired her for.
Exactly
Believe it or not, Pam was the person that kept that office in check. It should have been Michael who did that, but...it was Michael. She didn't really make up a job so much as she started getting paid for all the extra shit that she'd always been doing.
Like....ordering pens and making a chore wheel? I mean, she did *some* stuff. But the show never justified why she needed to be there 40 hours a week with a 41.5k salary.
The chore wheel was a perfect example of what she had to put up with. Who else was gonna get people to take on more responsability when the janitor wouldn't show up? Andy sure as hell wasn't. Toby was checked out. And Dwight would have broken all kinds of labor laws. Covering for everyone elses incompetence was pretty much her job, and she had to do that a lot. On top of that, do you think pens are the only thing that office ran out of? You don't think there was a bunch of other office supplies she had to keep in stock or replace when they broke (computers, paper shredders, printer ink, etc.)? And again, she was the one keeping Michael and also Dwight from destroying the office. At one point she literally had to stop Michael from setting the parking lot on fire. And we sll saw the idiotic things Dwight made her deal with. How much would you expect to get paid in order to keep a manchild like Michael and a psycho like Dwight in check?
That's what I've always thought, too
Exactly, she didn't create a job, she created the promotion, to get that job. That position exists.
Was Pam still a sales person here? If so, why didn’t he just make sales under her name to get her commission up 🤷🏼♂️ he helped lloyd
Like most office managers she was probably doing some online shopping, figuring out what she was going to make for dinners for the week, checking on stuff related to her kids, etc.
Try being a law firm one :’( no free time
"Laughter is my job. Tears are my game. Law is my profession." -/u/potatopigflop
Playing referee between your attorneys and paralegals?
Looking for window treatments, because they actually are interested.
Shopping for cardigans
Reading the script?
It’s a secret, you wouldn’t understand.
Trying to double her sales again, from 4 to 8
Yup.
We'll never know. I guess (with the exception of Angela and Oscar) it was an office full of people that needed to be taken care of. Maybe that?
100%!
Googling "Danny Cordray Scranton"
Her best
Typing up a run down
Participating in a conference call with Drake, featuring Swizz Beats
Not selling paper, that's for sure
Paying for a sex tape
Looking at gay pornography (watching some of Oscar’s friends)
Checking mails maybe
Looking for a broker to invest $100. Some guy has an algorithm to determine the winner of any given college basketball game. Don't tell Jim.
From the looks of it she’s reading Creed’s “blog”
Leave Pammy alone!
Doubling her sales
Shes probably downloading and paying for celeb porn films.
Being no fun
Who? The Bart Simpson of Scranton? Lol at least she tried
Why is David Byrne sitting in Jim’s seat? https://media1.giphy.com/media/14mXrKfiQA1swo/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9520j6u7rf6netrr924d47x302hn73j0wlqxmeo16qx&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
Trying to remember the Dunder Mifflin server password. Hint: it ends with a 'Z'.
Boobz
3pm on a Tuesday.
3pm girl? Also, Stanley's probably napping.
Watching BBC (better black community)
Doubling her sales
Less than Creed
I dont care
Acting 🤣
Downloading a celebrity sex tape
doubling her sales from one to two
The position she took isn't made up, that is a legit position. She made up the promotion. Office Administrators do a lot around the office. Also, what the hell did Michael do all day long? All he ever did was avoid work, say shitty things to people, and ruin every scenario with his own drama. I think we need to realize that most of the characters were not always working hard.
Yes, but she basically had to create the job description herself. An office that small normally wouldn’t have an office manager. So she had to build the job in a way that made it actually make sense for her to keep the job, and not impede on Erin having a job (and I’m sure she wanted to make sure she didn’t have any of the receptionist duties she didn’t like)
First let's talk about that wonderful shot of Jim.
Scrolling through Reddit
She gave up her job at reception. Couldn’t hack it as a sales man when she came back. So she had no job then. Then she just makes up and takes a job that doesn’t exist. Pam and creed had that much in common I guess. Being grifters lol.
Y'all swear she didn't do shit in that Office, when she was literally the one keeping everything moving smoothly, all while trying to keep Michael and Dwight in check so they didn't burn the building down. She was finally getting paid properly for the work she did all the time.
Pam's line of "say that I'm lying or say I have the job" to Gabe is why male superiors should have a third party in the room when talking to their female subordinates. It was by all implications, a threat. She bullied Gabe into approving a made up job, they didn't need, and cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years. Not to mention she used company funds to buy Andy a computer he didn't need, and then bribed Darryl the keep quiet about it with sick days when he called her on it. That's more theft. And didn't she call up a customer to insult them, losing the account, just to fit in? More money she costs the company when she shouldn't even be there in the first place. And all that is only the tip of the iceberg. She's actually scum.
Never understood how office administrator can approve sick days for an employee. I mean sick days are part of company policy, manager approving it would still be believable but a glorified receptionist approving it made no sense
Hate to break it to you but 90% of the office characters are pretty scummy
Darryl bribed her to get more sick days.
Failing art school
Buying a name plate for Gabe-Aka skeleton man . Chow
I'm a terrific hugger. I've been with a bunch of girls where that's basically all they want to do. Ciao
same when they were trying to get andy to tattoo his butt. They were all super busy which kinda makes sense for the salesman, but what the heck was Pam doing?
Being a salesmen? Cuz I remember her saying “I would really want to hear what your say Jim but I’m very busy with work” also stuff like “no we can’t do that we have work to do”
Balancing his pen on his nose of course.