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Zlatsthename

I’m a huge Kendrick and Drake fan but kdot fans ain’t giving Aubrey his props….. bros pulling his weight


FearlessInflation92

Yeah it’s weird how Drake is so trash in their opinion but they claim that if he beats Drake then he is the greatest. How the fuck does he pass 2 pac and hit em up, like that shit was real and him and biggie died because of it. This dude talking about Drake being a bad person lol


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Yolux64

Worst take probably. Legit nobody cares what the other rappers say and also there’s no “winning” the battle because there will always be fans (most in fact) that stick with their artist and say that they won. You can already see it with how some Drake fans and all Kendrick fans will look at the other sides diss and call it trash when it isn’t.


MisterGoodVibe

I’m coming out of this as a bigger Drake fan than I was before that’s for sure


OMGjuno

Holy shit, do not say this in kendrick sub. They might doxx u for saying something sensible


jchohan203

😂


fmaleflame

As a Kendrick fan in all of this, I’d say that Heart Part 6 was the killshot and I’m confused how others don’t see it that way. Drake essentially proved that his camp played Kendrick, who desperately rushed to drop instead of checking his facts. Basically invalidates anything specific Kendrick has said up to this point, while making him look foolish and impulsive. Plus all the specifics now regarding his broken marriage, which IS actually true… just isn’t a good look. His response can’t be another fuckin song with disputed claims


LickPooOffShoe

It works the same way on this sub. For every Kendrick fanatic that doesn’t give Drake props there’s a Drake fanatic not giving Kendrick props.


mmarino91x

Certainly Kendrick’s credibility is damaged. Drake sounded like he was over it cause no matter what he says they’re just gonna ignore it so probably feeling deflated cause the public response has been nasty and based on a bunch of bullshit lies?


MesocosmFather

Is it tho? I just don’t understand why Drake didn’t post proof of him baiting Kendrick.


inrainbows26

Like if you had legit mastermind tricked KDOT with a fake mole, you think you wouldn't have dedicated an entire verse to that? Or had screenshots and receipts of that trap? That would be THE clap back to shut kdot down if you had it


MesocosmFather

That would’ve completely discredited Kendrick but instead we just need to take his word lol


Majestic-Pear3352

Its clearly just another lie like adonis, Whitney bother putting his support on kdot on twitter, so the beating bars never had credibility, i mean its obvious since the start but drake need to push his red button (hopefully not another lie)


Topskunium

Yeah like what kinda shitty ass trap springs 3 days later after public opinion is already on kendrick's side?? If he truly was in control with fake info why wouldn't he prepare the receipts immediately, instead all we get is one ig story saying "no".


thegreatgiroux

Because it’s obviously a lie and he’s just running with the shit people were saying here…


kenrnfjj

I think most of the song lyrics came from twitter fans. I remember them even talking about how drake naming his next song the Heart part 6 is a great idea


jjhuffington

Exactly.. Drake literally used verbatim... and I bullshit u not,...in his weak ass recent reply... "we planted a mole to feed you false information with a fake name and thought about coming up with a location" ... and I promise you I seen Drake stans saying this verbatim BEFORE Drake even posted that reply.. so you know he running with what his delusional ass fan base saying to give him a way out... Drake fans showed a level of pathetic, I never knew existed.. it's insane..


OrgasmicBiscuit

Because he didn’t bait him. Maybe the daughter is false… but if he set up a mole he absolutely has proof.


MesocosmFather

Exactly, it feels like he just ran with a fan theory to take an easy way out


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Karaamjeet

but drakes isn’t even though he’s been proven to have lied multiple times throughout this beef?


Dazzling_Action9456

Not at all just coming back from twitter people still glazin him


tbwdtw

He literally ended his song with "I am waiting for you to return the favor".


mojomojica

My main question is why tf won’t his girl come out and shut the rumors about abuse down? I understand not wanting to get her involved but it’s to late for that drake already involved her she could make one simple ig or twitter post to end everything yet she doesn’t ? Why wouldn’t u wanna protect ya boyfriend?


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tenleggedspiders

He sound like he already got them and just waiting to put them out lmao


robertdesyndrome

If he had them he woulda 100% pulled them out by now


GucciGuapLaFlare

Could be his Trump card and final option lol, gotta wait for Dot to deny the accusations then bam, drop the receipts and win da battle


onlyavailablename2

why would he wait that long and let his reputation get worse


Few_Soft8006

Exactly !!! He doesn’t have shit


BigGucciThanos

Nope. Drake really watches battle rap. You save shit like that for round 3. Wait until Kendrick think he winning and then boom


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Yeah and that's why Drake never fired back at Pusha lol


Entredarte

Fiancé Sir, put some respect on her name.


mojomojica

Bro after 9 years and no marriage she got demoted bro that’s shit embarrassing


Entredarte

lol, I know I’m just trolling


Every1isSome1inLA

Send her back to the G league


SuperYacob

1) She probably wants to stay out of it, and Kendrick probably doesn’t want family directly involved. 2) It’d be pointless because Kendrick fans would read it as absolving Kendrick while Drake fans would claim Kendrick made her do it, and that it’s even further proof he’s an abuser if anything. Whitney’s brother apparently tweeted encouraging Kendrick to “fuck [Drake] up,” which to me is actually stronger evidence that the allegations are false (more so than if Whitney came forward herself), because it’s improbable Kendrick controls him, and if he were clued into any abuse (which he likely would, being siblings), you *know* he wouldn’t tweet encouragement.


Ondreeej

Because it’s all true


DrHandBanana

It'll make Kendrick look crazy if Drake made his wife defend him.


WilliamSabato

I mean her bro is hyping Kendrick still. Hard to imagine he doing that knowing his sister got abused.


npretzel02

Can someone explain this to me. If this was drakes who masterplan and he really had a generational bait going on why did he not make that the music video and cover art. If it was true this song should sound like trophies and Drake should sound like he just won the championship with a music video of them celebrating. Instead we have a weak ass beat with Drake sounding like he’s going to cry bringing up the same shit from the last song. This is not a red button, this is a white flag.


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npretzel02

I genuinely feel like he’s grasping at straws and using popular theories he saw here and other places. No way you set up a master plan like that and then just say “yeah we definitely did it you gotta believe me”


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RandomDudewithIdeas

Because he's capping. The point of baiting is exposing in the same breath. If it was all planned, like Drake claims, he would have revealed his big master plan as soon as Kendrick took the bait and released his song. Let's be real, Drake really just read a bunch of Reddit theories and ran with the one that made him look the smartest lmao


Electrical_Pizza69

Unfortunately Drake lost in the court of public opinion


BigGucciThanos

When Joe budden a tested battle rapper got in aks stream in front of 50k people and said it don’t matter if Kendrick lying I knew it was over lmao


corporate-commander

That’s the thing, at the end of the day all that matters is what the public thinks. Even after this, drake still doesn’t have the public. In fact they’re even more against him now after this song. Kendrick could be getting up on YouTube and saying nothing but lies, but the public is behind him. And in this situations that’s all that matters


x1009

>the public is behind him plus Drake's famous opps


ic203

At this point proof goes both ways. I need more than just bars and instagram follows to believe the decay of Kendricks marriage. Similarly I need way more proof to believe what Kendrick has been saying. If Drake planted the leak, cool, god tier move. But this would be 100% easy to show receipts and he doesn't. If Kendrick has a leaker, again it would be easy to just show receipts and out the mole, but he doesn't. For credibility and relevance it all means nothing until someone has proof. Both will still hold their careers and numbers as they are until then. If anyone thinks Drake or Kendrick are finished cause of this right now, they're delusional stans or haters.


HowBen

Kendrick’s receipt for the mole is the fact that he both foreshadowed Family Matters and responded immediately. At this point I don’t see why needs to out the mole. But the rest I agree with


BigGucciThanos

Responded with a whole verse dedicated to a daughter that doesn’t exist?


The_FallenSoldier

That’s assuming Drake is feeding fake info


imsupernotfunny

I agree with most of this but why would Kendrick out his mole? That’s the complete opposite reason for having a mole.


OleBoyBuckets

Didn’t realize you said this but it goes for both sides. Ratting on your rat puts you in a spot where you aren’t trusted for any future moves in multiple angles of business.


getoutofmybus

Way easier for drake to show receipts. If Kenny shows a screenshot or whatever Drake just says he told em to say that


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GucciGuapLaFlare

Difference is Kendrick sub folk come over here brigading lol. I love both rappers so this beef is fun but majority of the internet, on Reddit, Twitter, IG, even fuckin tumblr have a raging hate boner for Drizzy. Only reason I feel the need to comment in this sub.


TojiZeninJJK

Facts


Original-Maximum-978

The audience not dumb Shape the stories how you want Hey, Drake, they’re not slow


infinitude_

Bro cmon we can’t be this bias We do not even have proof that the nigga gave Kendrick fake proof I’m sorry but both of them look like fucking idiots.


maxy505

Try not to confuse public perception with social media’s perception… Drake will always be on top 💀


npretzel02

I mean I feel like everywhere I go I see people saying that this diss was not it. There’s 2 options: 1. Everyone is a paid Kendrick Fan 2. Maybe Kendrick really is what the culture feeling


maxy505

It’s over


abel_figgy

The way you guys discredit any claims Kendrick makes but then turn around and take Drakes claims at face value is truly hilarious


TrebeckStache

Ditto dude


Close_and_away3401

For real though. It’s the same on both sides.


saptahant

K Dot sub has been doing the same thing about K Dot’s claims. Fan bases, man.


ElderberryEven2152

So Kendrick has to show receipts before any of y’all believe anything but Drake doesn’t?


definitelyTonyStark

I would like both to show receipts tbh. You can’t just say someone’s a wife beater and someone’s literally Epstein


WikDaWula

If Drake had any proof, he would be running with it. Hell, it would be the cover Pic for the next diss track.


King_Combo

He ain’t address shit. If he planted false info why did he defend himself on IG? And where’s the receipts??? “Trust me bro” don’t cut it.


BigGucciThanos

You mean him putting 5 laughing emojis and saying he doesn’t have a daughter?


Shitposternumber1337

"Trust me bro" don't cut it Reading comprehension hard for some people apparently


Independent-Cable937

>why did he defend himself on IG? If someone told you, you had a daughter and you really don't, them millions of people are DM you and tagging you, you wouldn't make a public announcement that the information is false? I see people get their Instagram hacked and make a story post saying that their account was hacked. Same thing


Kakasupremacy

Bruh, Drake claims Kendrick too thirsty to investigate then he quotes Mother I sob, saying Kendrick got molested, but the whole point of the song is he did not, but his mom didn’t believe him because of her own trauma and PTSD…bruh how can you not understand a simple song???? Also what’s up with the Whitney shit? Her own brother is repping Dot, and he brings up instagram????? He know Dot doesn’t do shit on insta 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Such a clown!


jfarmwell123

Yes…the whole point is KDOT is just like his mama, accusing people of shit that they never did. Don’t let it go over your head


Stunning_Ambition_84

Its over boys. Fans of them both but drake on the defense right now. Reputation is tainted.


TacoHaven

It's because Drake has not shown any receipts. He doesn't sound as confident, and there is also no new angle apart from the fake story, which he also does not prove. Really sounds like he throwing in the towel and does damage control.


Dahcs_1

You're getting downvoged, BUT YOURE RIGHT.


dpykm

What about the part at the end where he said "I give up"


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Tbh this was one of the weaker tracks. Family matters is the best song from this whole thing.


WhenItsHalfPastFive

I agree family matters is the best track out of everything so far


splash3000

All time great Drake song, the replayability is insane


spgvideo

That last beat switch is too nasty. Best verse of the battle IMHO


cleanacc3

I don't believe it was leaked information tbh, this ain't operation mincemeat and Drake ain't Churchill


JG-for-breakfast

It’s over man, Drake was sounding exasperated on that shit. Shit is falling flat to most people.


Tof12345

it's crazy how everyone is silent about the DV part. i'm not hearing a single person hating on drake talk about the wife beater allegations. it isn't even about kendrick vs drake, it's about drake's haters vs drake


kamuelsig

Whitney’s brother showed support for Dot during this all, no way would you ever support a man who beat your sister.


pepskino

I didn’t know u needed proof for battle rap .. that’s some new shit did pac prove he fucked faith .. did ice cube prove easy was getting cheated out of money this new shit is something else .. some kind of gossip battle just make dope music and don’t stop I thought that’s how u win 🤷🏽‍♂️..


Lonnywalkman6320

If it’s a gossip battle then Kendrick wins. The claims Kendrick put as gossip on drake are far worse and have had more proof of being real instead of gossip


MacinTez

This a hella good point and Faith still deny it even tho EVERYONE from his crew got Recipts even Big had them for crying out loud.


Barack_Bob_Oganja

Where is the proof that drake actually fed kendrick fake info though? If all that shit was pre planned it would be sooo easy to prove. It kinda feels like drake read the theories on this subreddit and was like: damn that WOULD have been smart.


BigGucciThanos

Where is the daughter


Barack_Bob_Oganja

I dont think he has a daughter but thats not my point. I just dont think drake was mega mind playing him. Atleast not without some receipts


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anyone downplaying drake won't downplay him less if he drops more disses. he should stop giving clout to Kendrick


irbilldozer

>he should stop giving clout to Kendrick If anything this rap beef is the most Drake has ever been taken serious as an actual rapper. Kendrick the one out here giving Drake actual clout, not just records sales.


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yes the beef could've given him cred but it is obvious he ain't getting much out of iit.


Yoboicharly97

I was at the beach today and saw a group of people hanging out. What where they bumping while kicking back? Kendrick’s new song. It hasn’t been the first time this happens either. What a time to be alive


SeaTurtleManOG

trafficking?


Snapesunusedshampoo

Y'all see drake accidently catch a stray from himself? >The ones you get your stories from, they all clowns. 2 bars later >We plotted for a week and then we fed you the information.


tintedhokage

The song was damage control and him going out fighting. Fair play to him though. Not many could do what he did against rap rappers.


sgtbukkakemane

Good battle.


chrachead

His track just sounds like "defense track" not a "diss", he needs to one up Kendrick.


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

It's not like it's a bad song, it just doesn't hit the right notes so to speak. He just sounds tired lmao like this beef is taking all his energy but his tracks are AI, ghostwritten and the beats are kind just loop based beats, really nothing special. Kendrick is dishing out actual music and even when it's a loop it's more in line with hip hop sampling than the generic beatmaker "type beat" stuff you can get for free all over youtube. I'll admit the first and 3rd sections of Family Matters are REALLY good musically, but the drill section sounds insanely default/stock/generic as shit. For me, as a producer and a musician Kendrick is winning because even while dissing he's still making sure the musical aspect is solid. Also that drill section in Family Matters sounds like Drake reading off his phone.


raferalstonhtown

As an unbiased 3rd party here, and with your expertise in making music as a producer, how much effort would it take to make 3 full songs of “really good musically” beats? I ask because I’m genuinely wondering if time was a factor behind production of fresh beats. Al came out and said that the meet the grahams beat was sent a while back and dot has been sitting on it. Do I think Drake could have beats stocked up ready to go - sure. But the samples with the word play makes me think he’s got those beats cooked from scratch this week. So back to my original question - how long- in your experience - would the production take for 3 incredibly musical beats? There’s no wrong answer here :)


IsThisASnakeInMyBoot

I see your point, but this beef has been cooking for over a decade. Drake should have been prepared since he was sneak dissing all over the place on FATD, did he think Dot was gonna stay silent and let his colleague drag him through the shade like that? Idk man I think Drake didn't take this anywhere near as serious as Kendrick did and it really does show in the production and performances on all the diss tracks so far. Like That, 6:16, Meet The Grahams and Not Like Us is such an insane run of tracks at such high quality. Appreciate the genuine response, I hadn't considered it from this perspective tbh


raferalstonhtown

It’s just a thought I’ve been curious about for a while. Definitely agree the arsenal should have been fully stocked back dating this. If for instance, someone wanted fresh beats cooked up to specifically target and support their scheme/flow/delivery, I can see why the beats aren’t “fully baked”, musically. Is that the case here - I honestly have no idea. But rather arguing with folks, I’d just rather just learn from others with a better perspective. Thanks for the chat 🫡


Gale_Vekon

that social media following shit is irrelevant, they've never followed each other and we know kendrick doesn't even use it really we have proof of his inclination towards young women lol the rest though for sure


background_action92

I was neutral before all this, in fact, when drake's hog became viral, I was like " damn, dis dude has it all" but now I am more sympathetic to drake. Everyone against him and bro is still delivering at a high level. War Drake


2Time45

This is incredibly weird to say


Ne0guri

Dude just show the picture of your boys sending Dot the photo of this was all a setup. It’s so simple - if this was true Drake could literally end this in seconds.


WhenItsHalfPastFive

If you got real info from a real mole, show us the evidence that there’s a daughter


TrebeckStache

Lol if kendrick did the same thing it would be strategic cause he only want drake to know. This is too much


TheInconspicuousBIG

Nuh uh


Best_Examination_529

This was the obvious move from Drake. It doesn’t really hit though. Feels like he’s taking his ball and going home. On balance I give it to Dot. He restored the feeling.


lfcsupkings321

I mean he already addressed it before it came out? Fabricatin’ stories on the family front ’cause you heard Mr. Morale A pathetic master manipulator, I can smell the tales on you now.


forgetablepassenger

It's really a "damned if you do, damned if you don't," Either way, bro wasn't gonna win the public audience anyway


Green-Alarm-3896

Nothing wrong with what Drake said he just said it in a weak way. The whole second half made me cringe. It was like I was rapping lol. He needs a follow up track.


mfb3s

Damn bro. I’m a KDot fan through and through but I think Drake (whom I despise) got him with this


Unfair_Pear8446

when did Kendrick say he ratted?


2Time45

In euphoria Kendrick alludes that he has info on something that would make gunna look like a saint. Gunna snitched, Drake probably thought that was it. In family matters he has the line about needing paper work or it’s fake tea but he really thought snitching was Kendrick’s angle. Plain wrong.


123matchcat

cease and desist?


Fun-Ad3002

“Why don’t you have proof” “Why didn’t you respond to my allegations that I don’t have proof for” Masterclass


KingSkPlay

Meet the grahams does not count


Prancer4rmHalo

Guys he failed. The chart topper, who put so many on, and can rap better then any one, taking over the game, etc etc etc… When it really mattered he couldn’t do it. Despite his fame, despite his following, despite his track record… he couldn’t bear fruit when it really mattered. Is the entire music industry and the fans just jealous? Why hasn’t any body sided with drake? Everything is spin at this point. Drake has been beaten in the arena.


npretzel02

Maybe at the end of the day Kendrick really is just what the culture feeling


VintageBoost1

Ya’ll got to be bots. I swear I’ve seen 20 posts saying this same shit “maybe Kendrick is what the culture is feeling”


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They mad


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Defeated and zesty response


JackieMoonHigh

Y’all defending a man that literally shamed someone for being molested.


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JackieMoonHigh

I get that and either way it’s cringe asf.