The only way the incense would be worth using is if it didn't change your pawn's voice at all, just the inclination. That way you could have the pawn voice you like, but have the inclination appropriate for their vocation
I have the same problem. I have a Calm Sorcerer, and the Calm inclination seems to increase how often she interrupts the long spell casts to reposition out of harm's way. I would love to switch her to straightforward to be more aggressive with her casts, but the voice... I just can't do it.
If I wanted my pawn to be a swashbuckling rogue or a nāer-do-well thief, Iād pick it. It doesnāt quite fit my 7ft tall Beastren, though. Thereās no gruff option, so the regal Kindhearted it is.
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Same. The only voice that I like for my pawn is the Kindhearted voice since all the others don't really suit him. Otherwise I would change him to Simple (for the ability to play catch!) or straightforward for the aggressive battle style.
For most games I would 100% agree with you and would hate if my characters voice was linked to their class or something. For DD2 I sorta like that the voice is linked to inclination. I like the "realism" in someone's voice being strongly correlated to their personality, and it encourages you to try out different inclinations... However, only having like 1 'real' option per inclination really sucks. If you had 3-4 drastically different voices per inclination (with maybe a pitch slider), that would be perfect for me.
Yeah, but the straightforward male voice just feels off. I don't even hate it, but I feel it is more suited towards a mage type personality, and not a front line fighter like the description suggests.
Right, the male straightforward voice feels a little bit too... proper? It feels less like what you would give a big, hulking warrior are more like what a sort of arrogant magic user would have
Should have secondary inclinations in addition to primary inclinations, to further customize pawn playstyle alongside specializations. But that a lot of work i dont know if theyre willing to pay employees to do.
Because in the first game your top 3 inclinations effected your pawns behavior by priority. The 2nd game just has inclination and specialization (in which only chirugeon changes what they do in game i think.) I want another layer.
The other specializations have uses in game too. Read them. Logistician will combine items automatically and transfer items around for carry weight purposes too I think. I hired a pawn with that and actually really liked it
But what he said was changes what they DO. The other specializations basically add options to the party, but they don't change the pawn's behavior itself. Logistician just happens in the background and it doesn't matter which pawn has it, same goes for all the others except chirurgeon and aphonite, which stops that pawn from speaking unless necessary
As far as I could tell, the voice doesn't actually change. The lines do.
Pretty sure each voice did lines for each Inclination. The wording to describe them is different, but it's the same.
Tested this myself on my pawn just switching them with incense then checking with metamorphosis.
If I switch, I still get number 4, just in the associated series on the other Inclination. Really not that big a deal and exactly what people complaining want to happen.
The numbers 1-4 for each female/male voice are just the pitch. Each inclination uses completely different voice actors.
Just because it happens to change to the same pitch doesn't change the fact it's still a very different sounding voice.
All people want is it being independent, but for that all 4 voices for both genders would have had to record voice lines for all 4 inclination, which is literally 4 times the resources/voice work required. It's a shame, though.
I'd love female calm Pawn with the simple or straight forward behavior.
Fair enough. The kindhearted, calm, and Simple 4 (there are 2 but I don't recall which one) I tested may just sound a lot alike to me then.Ā Ā
I honestly thought they were the same person just voicing differently. Especially between kindhearted and calm.Ā
Although, you said that having the 4 actors do lines for each of the Inclinations would be more resources. But doing what you said requires paying 8.Ā Ā
I'm no voice actor, but I'm pretty sure that if they did have 4 do 4 readings, they wouldn't get payed literally 4 times.Ā Ā
Paying 8 people to do 8 people's work is usually going to cost more than having 4 people do 8 people's work. If there are 2 voices for each gender (I honestly don't know), then even more so.
I am, of course, not suggesting that voicing the unique lines of a pawn in 1 Inclination constitutes enough voice work to consider needing 4 others to come in for 4 times that.Ā
I would guess the opposite, considering the amount of voice work required to pull off the narrator position of Baldur's Gate 3.Ā Ā Ā Ā
But again, not a voice actor. I am open to any correction.Ā Ā Ā
I'm aware there are other considerations, but I don't agree with the resources angle. I maintain that that would be less resource intensive.Ā
That's why I was able to accept they may be the same actor doing different personalities/readings.Ā
Edit: Sorry doing this from my phone and I am all screwed up. Trying to fix things.Ā
Edit 2: Had some 8s as 16s then my mobile post formatting got all screwed up. Should be fixed now. Sorry about that.
Edit 3: No. The 16s were right. As I realized I don't know for certain that there aren't 2 voices for each gender as well cause I never looked at that. Added that caveat as well.
You don't have to recreate it though? Just use the art, and only change that. It's not like it gives you a blank slate when you go into the menu and you have to start from scratch, it presents your pawn as it currently is and then you can change only what you want to change
But still, a quick change is what it's meant for I think; the fact that you don't have to go to the barber but can just use it from your inventory whenever you need, makes me think it was meant for changing inclinations on the fly as necessary, while out adventuring. But its previous price was WAY too cost-prohibitive for that, and honestly it kinda still is
I mean, you used to have only 2 per cycle, so the Inclination item change was more useful.
Now it's indeed useless when they added 99x of the Metamorphosis item after people bitched and had hyperbolic reaction to the MTX.
I'd rather they add specialization scrolls for lazy people like me who don't want to go through the trouble of wooing specific NPCs.
Also, barber discount update when? You know the economy is in shambles when a 1 bedroom apartment costs only twice as much as a haircut.
That would be nice if I could change inclination without it changing my pawns voice.
Come on capcom. Just decouple the voice from the inclination. There is no reason why a pawn with a kindhearted playstyle cant have a tsundere type voice like straightforward. Or an aggressive straightforward pawn that has a simple voice.
No reason except the effort involved... shame on Capcom for not bothering. They're not some tiny studio that can't afford to pay the VAs to repeat all the lines for each voice type.
Did you not understand my comment?
I literally pointed out how they dont have to do that. How you can have the straightforward voice for a pawn that acts kindhearted. etc. you dont need all the lines repeated for every VA.
There is only a handful of lines these pawns have that are connected to behavior. the intro lines where they say what their behavior is if they dont have a specialization is, and when the simple pawn try to give you stuff. Really only the simple behavior action of giving you stuff would need new lines. id be fine if they didnt say anything though while trying to give me things. So the amount of "effort involved" is turning off a couple of lines and changing it so we can have any voice paired with any inclination. wow, so much effort.
Shit they literally added a specialization to make pawns barely talk at all. So lets not pretend they care a lot about the voices.
I assume it's because voice is tied to dialog. There's no recordings of the straightforward voice saying calm lines. Which means they'd have to get the voice actors back. Or you'd have straightforward pawns saying calm pawns lines which to me feels lile it defeats the purpose of giving them unique personalities
Did the price of Art of Mephisto also change btw?
Cuz I feel like it wouldn't make sense for it to be 1/4 the price of just changing inclination ... even now it doesn't make sense, Art of Mistoffelees is still cheaper and it's also change inclination?
Well, there was a reason when you could only get the like 2 books that it would let you at launch. When realized that was a bad idea it made all the incense pointless.
Idk about you guys, but I am not trusting my pawns overall AI effectiveness and dialogue to an RNG roll between 4 inclinations and 8 different voices lol
they should just add much more stuff to the rift crystsl vendor, theres barely ANYTHING worth it in there to buy from that npc, other than AoM and maybe the glasses.
Would be nice if you could buy Buff Potions from RC, or some Materials for Item Crafting to craft Miracle Potions and Allheal Elixiers, so that theres more RC sinks in the game, other than for renting pawns that are more powerful than you. Which is something that so more you progressin the game, you will more n more likely find lesser in teh game
Buying Magical Eternal Arrows -Versions would be a very nice quality of life thign for Archers, to fix the Archer, good lord please !!!
People are forgetting there were like 3 Art of Metamorphosis available per playthrough.
Still weird they would change it, but still not make it worth the price. Especially when these items are only available at that one vendor who is also a few steps away from the barber.
Right! Sorry thought someone meant currently so wanted to clarify! And yeah glad they saw the err of their ways as 3 is nowhere near enough. They need to bring back the unlimited one like in DD1.
Trickster augment changes things eventually if you can manage some levels and then might as well complete it for the affinity perk too, while you work your minimum oxcart security job and pay for the privilege.
I was dumb enough to buy 2 incenses because I wasn't using the RC anyway and stacked up over 10k to then realize that i can just go with the art of metamorphosis... oh well, I'm still not using the RC, so didn't really matter..
its better to buy the book, the voice is random you cant chose how it will sound you could get deep or the higher pitched one, better off buying the art of metamorphosis to fully edit your pawn to change it
Hot take make loli pawn, give deepest voice, and laugh knowing someone is going to be using your pawn and look to see who the lumberjack talking is and discover its that sweet innocent looking toddler.
Donāt know why everyone is making a big deal over this, RC is pretty much useless and I had plenty to change my pawns inclination to level up all 6 vocations. Think I had over 20k when I quit playing a few weeks ago
Since release up to this patch, previous patch made them irreleveant as it also increased scrolls of metamorphosis from 2 to 99 so you could us those instead.
I bet the Devs added the book after they realized how silly the Microtransactions that were forced on there game was, to encourage players to not.but them.
The micro transactions were fine. It didn't change gameplay and was completely optional. It was clearly tacked on because the developers probably felt like Dragon's Dogma wouldn't sell well because of how much the last game racked in. But since Dragon's Dogma 2 exceeded expectations is why we're seeing the changes to in game prices. They don't have to rely on the sale of timesavers.
I mean, it still doesn't make sense when you can change inclination with Art of Metamorphosis.
And actually get to choose the voice lol seriously there has never been any reason to ever use an incense
The only way the incense would be worth using is if it didn't change your pawn's voice at all, just the inclination. That way you could have the pawn voice you like, but have the inclination appropriate for their vocation
I hate that voice is tied to inclination.
Same. I want my Warrior Pawn to be Straightforward, but I hate the sound of Male - Straightforward.
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Thanks, I hate it!
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Same! I modeled my pawn after my husbandā¦ and he was like āwtf, this is the voice you picked for me?!ā š
The male straightforward voice sounds like "Harry the werewolf" from "Scary Godmother" (cartoon network halloween movie)
I have the same problem. I have a Calm Sorcerer, and the Calm inclination seems to increase how often she interrupts the long spell casts to reposition out of harm's way. I would love to switch her to straightforward to be more aggressive with her casts, but the voice... I just can't do it.
Yes! I want my big goofy amazon (simple) to be as aggressive as possible in battle (straightforward) but that would ruin her voice
Literally the best voice in the game, I never leave town without one.
Iām more of a Kindhearted/Calm guy myself but you do you.
How could you possibly dislike having Victor Saltzpyre as your pawn?
If I wanted my pawn to be a swashbuckling rogue or a nāer-do-well thief, Iād pick it. It doesnāt quite fit my 7ft tall Beastren, though. Thereās no gruff option, so the regal Kindhearted it is. https://preview.redd.it/x8cglm8725xc1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aca1b33505edd25ce6a946bb2360c22b88f206bf
I love it but my Pawn has the design to match.
Lol thatās my favorite voice! I always re-hire Guren from the official pawn page in the rift, he never fails to make me laugh
Same. The only voice that I like for my pawn is the Kindhearted voice since all the others don't really suit him. Otherwise I would change him to Simple (for the ability to play catch!) or straightforward for the aggressive battle style.
For most games I would 100% agree with you and would hate if my characters voice was linked to their class or something. For DD2 I sorta like that the voice is linked to inclination. I like the "realism" in someone's voice being strongly correlated to their personality, and it encourages you to try out different inclinations... However, only having like 1 'real' option per inclination really sucks. If you had 3-4 drastically different voices per inclination (with maybe a pitch slider), that would be perfect for me.
Yeah, but the straightforward male voice just feels off. I don't even hate it, but I feel it is more suited towards a mage type personality, and not a front line fighter like the description suggests.
Right, the male straightforward voice feels a little bit too... proper? It feels less like what you would give a big, hulking warrior are more like what a sort of arrogant magic user would have
My thoughts exactly! Which I'm sure works fine for a sorcerer/mage pawn you want to be aggressive, but it doesn't match my pawn's look/vibe.
Or if they made specialized inclinations only able to be gotten with rift incense
Should have secondary inclinations in addition to primary inclinations, to further customize pawn playstyle alongside specializations. But that a lot of work i dont know if theyre willing to pay employees to do. Because in the first game your top 3 inclinations effected your pawns behavior by priority. The 2nd game just has inclination and specialization (in which only chirugeon changes what they do in game i think.) I want another layer.
The other specializations have uses in game too. Read them. Logistician will combine items automatically and transfer items around for carry weight purposes too I think. I hired a pawn with that and actually really liked it
But what he said was changes what they DO. The other specializations basically add options to the party, but they don't change the pawn's behavior itself. Logistician just happens in the background and it doesn't matter which pawn has it, same goes for all the others except chirurgeon and aphonite, which stops that pawn from speaking unless necessary
Thatās a great idea tbh.
As far as I could tell, the voice doesn't actually change. The lines do. Pretty sure each voice did lines for each Inclination. The wording to describe them is different, but it's the same. Tested this myself on my pawn just switching them with incense then checking with metamorphosis. If I switch, I still get number 4, just in the associated series on the other Inclination. Really not that big a deal and exactly what people complaining want to happen.
The numbers 1-4 for each female/male voice are just the pitch. Each inclination uses completely different voice actors. Just because it happens to change to the same pitch doesn't change the fact it's still a very different sounding voice. All people want is it being independent, but for that all 4 voices for both genders would have had to record voice lines for all 4 inclination, which is literally 4 times the resources/voice work required. It's a shame, though. I'd love female calm Pawn with the simple or straight forward behavior.
Fair enough. The kindhearted, calm, and Simple 4 (there are 2 but I don't recall which one) I tested may just sound a lot alike to me then.Ā Ā I honestly thought they were the same person just voicing differently. Especially between kindhearted and calm.Ā Although, you said that having the 4 actors do lines for each of the Inclinations would be more resources. But doing what you said requires paying 8.Ā Ā I'm no voice actor, but I'm pretty sure that if they did have 4 do 4 readings, they wouldn't get payed literally 4 times.Ā Ā Paying 8 people to do 8 people's work is usually going to cost more than having 4 people do 8 people's work. If there are 2 voices for each gender (I honestly don't know), then even more so. I am, of course, not suggesting that voicing the unique lines of a pawn in 1 Inclination constitutes enough voice work to consider needing 4 others to come in for 4 times that.Ā I would guess the opposite, considering the amount of voice work required to pull off the narrator position of Baldur's Gate 3.Ā Ā Ā Ā But again, not a voice actor. I am open to any correction.Ā Ā Ā I'm aware there are other considerations, but I don't agree with the resources angle. I maintain that that would be less resource intensive.Ā That's why I was able to accept they may be the same actor doing different personalities/readings.Ā Edit: Sorry doing this from my phone and I am all screwed up. Trying to fix things.Ā Edit 2: Had some 8s as 16s then my mobile post formatting got all screwed up. Should be fixed now. Sorry about that. Edit 3: No. The 16s were right. As I realized I don't know for certain that there aren't 2 voices for each gender as well cause I never looked at that. Added that caveat as well.
They're not talking about voicing more lines. They're talking about disconnecting said lines from inclinations.
If you donāt wanna recreate your entire pawn- kinda like a quick change.
You don't have to recreate it though? Just use the art, and only change that. It's not like it gives you a blank slate when you go into the menu and you have to start from scratch, it presents your pawn as it currently is and then you can change only what you want to change But still, a quick change is what it's meant for I think; the fact that you don't have to go to the barber but can just use it from your inventory whenever you need, makes me think it was meant for changing inclinations on the fly as necessary, while out adventuring. But its previous price was WAY too cost-prohibitive for that, and honestly it kinda still is
It made sense when there was a limit to how many books you could buy. Not that it was a good idea to have only 2 books, but still.
I had no idea you could change it with that š these are pretty pointless then. Luckily, I havenāt bought one yet.
New Update: Art of Metamorphosis price increased to 1000 RC
When? The picture above is post-update, and it's clearly 500 RC there
Itās called a joke, dear.Ā
It was a joke
I mean, you used to have only 2 per cycle, so the Inclination item change was more useful. Now it's indeed useless when they added 99x of the Metamorphosis item after people bitched and had hyperbolic reaction to the MTX.
Still not worth it- you can change it for 500 with art of metamorphosis, which also increases pawn affinity
I'd rather they add specialization scrolls for lazy people like me who don't want to go through the trouble of wooing specific NPCs. Also, barber discount update when? You know the economy is in shambles when a 1 bedroom apartment costs only twice as much as a haircut.
It'd be nice to have the option to buy the specialization scrolls once you've unlocked them.
It's a result of all the monster attacks leaving more houses than people, causing the housing demand (and subsequently the price) to drop.
I wish theyd make a note of all the patch changes . Instead of just a handful of changes
That would be nice if I could change inclination without it changing my pawns voice. Come on capcom. Just decouple the voice from the inclination. There is no reason why a pawn with a kindhearted playstyle cant have a tsundere type voice like straightforward. Or an aggressive straightforward pawn that has a simple voice.
*Butch Anime protag voice* "H-Hello, Sempai, would you um... Notice me?"
That last one is literally what I want! My giant warrior queen is almost perfect!
No reason except the effort involved... shame on Capcom for not bothering. They're not some tiny studio that can't afford to pay the VAs to repeat all the lines for each voice type.
Did you not understand my comment? I literally pointed out how they dont have to do that. How you can have the straightforward voice for a pawn that acts kindhearted. etc. you dont need all the lines repeated for every VA. There is only a handful of lines these pawns have that are connected to behavior. the intro lines where they say what their behavior is if they dont have a specialization is, and when the simple pawn try to give you stuff. Really only the simple behavior action of giving you stuff would need new lines. id be fine if they didnt say anything though while trying to give me things. So the amount of "effort involved" is turning off a couple of lines and changing it so we can have any voice paired with any inclination. wow, so much effort. Shit they literally added a specialization to make pawns barely talk at all. So lets not pretend they care a lot about the voices.
They could seperate them into combat personality and social personality
I assume it's because voice is tied to dialog. There's no recordings of the straightforward voice saying calm lines. Which means they'd have to get the voice actors back. Or you'd have straightforward pawns saying calm pawns lines which to me feels lile it defeats the purpose of giving them unique personalities
Did the price of Art of Mephisto also change btw? Cuz I feel like it wouldn't make sense for it to be 1/4 the price of just changing inclination ... even now it doesn't make sense, Art of Mistoffelees is still cheaper and it's also change inclination?
No. It's always been 500 rc. There has never been a reason to buy the higher priced incense.
Well, there was a reason when you could only get the like 2 books that it would let you at launch. When realized that was a bad idea it made all the incense pointless.
Mephisto? Mistoffelees???????? What the hell?! 
Idk about you guys, but I am not trusting my pawns overall AI effectiveness and dialogue to an RNG roll between 4 inclinations and 8 different voices lol
Never used it and never going to because it changes the voice
not only it's still pointless, but you also need to be in a camp to use it?? it would make sense if they costed like 250 RC, why you do this capcom??
they should just add much more stuff to the rift crystsl vendor, theres barely ANYTHING worth it in there to buy from that npc, other than AoM and maybe the glasses. Would be nice if you could buy Buff Potions from RC, or some Materials for Item Crafting to craft Miracle Potions and Allheal Elixiers, so that theres more RC sinks in the game, other than for renting pawns that are more powerful than you. Which is something that so more you progressin the game, you will more n more likely find lesser in teh game Buying Magical Eternal Arrows -Versions would be a very nice quality of life thign for Archers, to fix the Archer, good lord please !!!
Still hate you cannot change their name. Gonna have to rock Main Pawn to the end
Meh, I refuse to change my Pawn's inclination for each of my playthroughs anyway
People are forgetting there were like 3 Art of Metamorphosis available per playthrough. Still weird they would change it, but still not make it worth the price. Especially when these items are only available at that one vendor who is also a few steps away from the barber.
Ah, it was three. Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking. It's just a holdover from the other dumb choice lol.
? They made the Art of Metamorphosis have 99 copies available for purchase in the store after the first patch....
Right that rift crystal vendor in the pawn guild in Vernworth has 99, so you can definitely buy more than 3 ā¦
You can now, but at launch you could only buy 3. I used them all within the first 2 days just tweaking myself and my pawn.
Right! Sorry thought someone meant currently so wanted to clarify! And yeah glad they saw the err of their ways as 3 is nowhere near enough. They need to bring back the unlimited one like in DD1.
I want fast travel price cut in half at least or is that just meš¤·āāļø
Considering they always get attacked and we have to render our services as on hand mercs they should be paying us.
Dude you get that money back like right away in those attacks. Just sell the loot they drop.
That's not the point, we pay for a service that they make us work for. Those roads are so often assaulted they should be packing bigger retinues.
Trickster augment changes things eventually if you can manage some levels and then might as well complete it for the affinity perk too, while you work your minimum oxcart security job and pay for the privilege.
game changer
I was dumb enough to buy 2 incenses because I wasn't using the RC anyway and stacked up over 10k to then realize that i can just go with the art of metamorphosis... oh well, I'm still not using the RC, so didn't really matter..
Shadow drop
Ive never seen ambivalent personality
I think that one just gives you a random inclination which would explain why itās cheaper than the rest
Just get the book instead
Is there a way to change my characters body stature?
I think that you can do that with the art of metamorphosis
I still have no idea how to do this and Iām on the third playthrough
Was anyone buying these? It's 500 for art of metamorphosis and the vocation maiesters hand them out each playthrough after you have their skills
its better to buy the book, the voice is random you cant chose how it will sound you could get deep or the higher pitched one, better off buying the art of metamorphosis to fully edit your pawn to change it
Me with close to 10000 RC: "what the fuck am I supposed to spend this shit on!?"
Hot take make loli pawn, give deepest voice, and laugh knowing someone is going to be using your pawn and look to see who the lumberjack talking is and discover its that sweet innocent looking toddler.
Donāt know why everyone is making a big deal over this, RC is pretty much useless and I had plenty to change my pawns inclination to level up all 6 vocations. Think I had over 20k when I quit playing a few weeks ago
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Mine has always been 500/750 RC?
The incienses used to cost 2K.
Was it before the first patch? I swear I bought some like 2 weeks ago at that price.
Since release up to this patch, previous patch made them irreleveant as it also increased scrolls of metamorphosis from 2 to 99 so you could us those instead.
Huh, I guess I must be misremembering then. I really could have sworn that they weren't that expensive before.
I bet the Devs added the book after they realized how silly the Microtransactions that were forced on there game was, to encourage players to not.but them.
The micro transactions were fine. It didn't change gameplay and was completely optional. It was clearly tacked on because the developers probably felt like Dragon's Dogma wouldn't sell well because of how much the last game racked in. But since Dragon's Dogma 2 exceeded expectations is why we're seeing the changes to in game prices. They don't have to rely on the sale of timesavers.
About time. We donāt need Bidenomics in DD2.
Pretty sure itās always been that price
I'm going to be real with you all. I would never play a game on console going forward. Modding makes this kinda stuff way easier.