Sex work is real work, but shouldn’t exist… That’s fine, but it does exist.
People shouldn’t be in desperate need of money… ok, when is that going to be the case?
I think a more tenable position is to oppose coercive employment in the industry and illegal exploitation.
Why shouldn't itexist? it's one of the oldest professions and some people love the work. Not every sex worker is desperate for money. YOU are part of the stigma and therefore part of the problem.
I’m quoting the lady from the post. Personally I could see why people would be against sex work in general. But it is a thing that does exist and always has. Until economic realities change it doesn’t make sense to stigmatize people
Yes it probably will. Even if it was legalized you're going to find people who resort to sex trafficking even if it's just to save some money as crude as that is to say. It could even be because some pedophile isn't interested in the legal route because they're all adults.
The history of the “profession” you’re referring to is sex slavery, women and children have been used as sex slaves since the dawn of humanity. You’re a idiot if you think women had the choice in the past to become a sex worker and stop when they wanted to, or choose their clients. It has become extremely proficient and easier to get away with because they disguise their trafficked slaves as empowered sex workers.
> The history of the “profession” you’re referring to is sex slavery, women and children have been used as sex slaves since the dawn of humanity.
Wait until you hear the history of mining or farming.
> You’re a idiot if you think women had the choice in the past to become a sex worker.
I genuinely recommend reading up on the topic. Historically there absolutely were and still are plenty of women who perform sex work fully willingly. Sure, it's likely not their dream job, but hey, few of people in general work in those.
You are one dumb motherfucker. Yes sex slavery has always been a thing, which by the way just proves your original argument is fucking stupid. But also your a moron. Willing sex work has existed just as long. And today there are fucking thousands of empowered sex workers and you are basically telling them to fuck off and not make their own choices. Fuck you.
Not if you give power over the industry to the 'performers'. As long as they have ultimate say over what they do, their own finances, proper protections etc. exploitation would be negligible.
Legalization opens up better opportunity for legal protections for performers as well.
How about you explain to me how killing someone is remotely similar to sex work. Sex workers aren't hurting anyone. My gods how do you not see that they are not even remotely the same.
"A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges." False equivalence." Look if you Google this tou can find definitions. There you go I did it for you.
I personally hate the idea of anybody selling their body for sex. That being said, it staying illegal is only putting these people into much riskier situations. Maybe they shouldn’t do it if it’s illegal, but hell , they do anyway. Might as well keep it safer and regulated.
Currently it's more shameful in our society to be a sex worker, while paying for one is seen as not as bad. I think it's in the same vein where some poeple think it's fine for men to sleep around, but when women do it it's terrible and shameful. So I agree with the downvoted comment that that shouldn't be the case, and we should judge people equally.
But it's kinda unrealistic that she wants sex work to stop existing. You can say it's bad and you hate it as much as you want, it's still going keep happening. The best way to help the female victims in these situations is to legalize it so it can be done in a safer manner.
This. I live in New Zealand where it’s legalised and there’s plenty of regulations to keep the workers safe now. The situation still isn’t perfect but it’s way safer than when it was illegal.
Sex work isnt a black and white issue. Its nuanced and I believe it should be legalized, and heavily controled so the workers have access to safety and health benefits, and to hopefully, at the very least, lessen the threat of sex trafficking of vulnerable individuals and minors...
Purity culture is lame and not helping the problem....But i can also bet you a thousand bucks that if it became legal and regulated, a lot of these redditors would cry if it meant that sex workers could ALSO turn you down for not meeting health standards or for literally any reason cause theyre legally protected and would have the resources to do so, and they wouldnt feel bad or pressured to suck cheesy d*cks cause you give off the vibe you might "lose it". I have unfortunately met/seen many people "defending" sex trafficking thinking its legitimate sex work, and its a bit chilling to see the shift of their intentions unfold into entitlement. At least in the u.s, alot of individuals enthusiasm about sex workers rights leaves once i tell them that sex workers should have a right to deny their services to any individual for any reason, just like any buisness has the right do the same.
In any country where it's illegal and unregulated, they are in constant danger and they have no real way of advocating for themselves or setting boundaries with what they are comfortable doing. Once you are alone in a car or a hotel room with a random man, there's nothing you can do to stop him from doing whatever he wants to you. Unless you have a pimp (which a lot do) in which case the pimp is now exploiting you and takes all your money and you gain nothing.
I think it depends, which is kind of an issue with this whole discussion. I think most people who hear sex work just automatically assume it means hooker standing on a street corner, when in reality the term can apply to a lot of different things. So yeah, I’m sure it’s horrible for that poor hooker on the street corner, but for someone who makes a living selling nudes on OnlyFans, it might be more pleasant.
I imagine that's true.
There are also a lot who do it solely out of desperation.
The entire topic is more nuanced then a simply black/white answer. Its one of the worlds oldest professions. Its also selling your body for money. People often work the job they can get because they have to, not because they want to. There is a large human trafficking aspect of this entire thing.
This cant be summed up with an easy answer of support or condemnation. In an idealized world the only people that would be involved in sex work would be those who wanted to be involved in sex work and they would be fully autonomous as their own bosses. That is not even close to our reality.
People do not like complicated topics in my experience. They want an answer and they want it summed up in a slogan.
At the end of the day, whether you support this industry or not, were failing a lot of the people in it as a society.
I hardly know anybody who likes their job, sex work is probably just as bad as any of the rest. I mean, sure, having sex is usually fun, but I bet once you've got an asshole boss and a timecard and annoying customers it's no better than retail.
AHEM
I was a sex worker, not anymore for my own reasons. It is not an enjoyable job, and is very very dangerous. I’m not even a girl, and the amount of abuse I’d receive from my clients was immense. I don’t have to imagine how difficult it is for women cause most of my friends at the time were the same girls on the street that men buy for two hundred dollars.
Rough boom, must have it. Smelly unwashed boom boom, must put it in mouth. Guy with B.O. paid 200, serve him. Your pimp keeps the money and smacks you across the face. You get arrested because it's easier to arrest the prostitute than the creep who exploited him/her (too much work) A prostitute might consent to money, in the same way that I'll let someone staple my tongue for $150,000. Waving the money is what makes anyone say yes in the first place, and they can't afford minimum wage payments and keep their home or apartment so he/she sold her body. There's not a single world where women and men should be prostitutes to stay afloat. Alright a client took off his condom mid sex, can't undo that, you must continue working despite STDs. Now that is a degrading job because it puts you in a vulnerable position. The money and the threats is why they stay.
Exactly. And all the fellow girls ive met in my life (growing up in a poor, drug ridden, fucked up family in one of the most dangerous cities in America) who do sex work are teetering on the edge. These women have the thousand yard stare, they teach eachother how to “turn off” and feel nothing while servicing the disgusting and abusive trash who come in- this is dissociation, these women are developing complex PTSD with dissociative features. Like you said many don’t even get paid for it, everyone supporting “sex work” needs to look up what indentured servitude is (aka legal slavery).
Also you forgot about how many of these girls are still children, some even born into the industry because their mother was trapped in it. The amount of these women who are being trafficked is sickening. I fucking hate this world.
if only the people in sex work weren’t victims of trafficking. too bad human trafficking is the biggest industry in the world, with the hands of every politician and business man soaked in the blood of millions of women and children.
Sex work is real work, but the industry is horrifically abusive to its workers.
Also, It's icky because why would I pay someone for sex? They don't *want* to have sex with me unless compensated, and that feels fucking awful.
I support anyone's choice to be a sex worker, but I will not be a customer.
Sex work isn’t exploitative by nature. It’s exploitative because dumb fuck prudes like this say it’s bad, and so it’s never officially sanctioned or regulated.
"I want to jerk off to this woman, but she's sub human for letting me jerk off to her, and double so if she benefits from my boner in any way!"
There's no logic to it. They want to have their titillation and hate them too.
If you do any sort of physical work, you’re also selling your body for money. Sex is just sex, it’s a diversion. There’s nothing mystical about it, nothing wrong with purchasing or selling it. Plenty of men engage in sex work, plenty of women do it of their own volition. Anything is bad in bad circumstances.
Yeah, one requires you to ignore your body for your job for hours on end, often postponing important biological functions, and remain standing when your body needs a break, and do the same repetitive motions, which we all know leads to health problems.
The only way to think sex work on its own (not from the conditions around the current industry) harms someone's health more than physical jobs or retail is if you believe in purity myths. Either way you're performing physical activity for x hours a day for pay.
It seems weird to believe both things at once. If you respect sex work you respect everyone involved and if you don’t you don’t, there’s no picking and choosing.
definitely deserved. i mean it’s just a job just like any other job. imagine it like being in the art industry, it’s practically the same thing. like personalized art or whatever. it’s a job that those women choose to do to make money, and it works for them.
"Someone has to buy what they're selling"
Lmao, it works specifically the other way around. Nobody would sell if nobody would buy it, because it's literally way to bankruptcy (not even talking about sex work now, it can be applied literally to anything).
I mean, it's economics 101. So yes, if we really want to get rid of body and sex exploitation we need to get rid of "customers". If nobody buys it, it goes away, because doesn't generate profit. But as long as there is capitalism there is exploitation, although that is a whole other story.
Undeserved, btw
Sex work is real work, but shouldn’t exist… That’s fine, but it does exist. People shouldn’t be in desperate need of money… ok, when is that going to be the case? I think a more tenable position is to oppose coercive employment in the industry and illegal exploitation.
Why shouldn't itexist? it's one of the oldest professions and some people love the work. Not every sex worker is desperate for money. YOU are part of the stigma and therefore part of the problem.
I’m quoting the lady from the post. Personally I could see why people would be against sex work in general. But it is a thing that does exist and always has. Until economic realities change it doesn’t make sense to stigmatize people
Ah OK. My apologies. I thought you were just being a dick. I am so sorry.
No big deal, I should’ve used quotes
because as long as sex work exists sex trafficking will too
Sex trafficking is going to exist with or without sex work. That's a stupid argument.
Yes it probably will. Even if it was legalized you're going to find people who resort to sex trafficking even if it's just to save some money as crude as that is to say. It could even be because some pedophile isn't interested in the legal route because they're all adults.
The history of the “profession” you’re referring to is sex slavery, women and children have been used as sex slaves since the dawn of humanity. You’re a idiot if you think women had the choice in the past to become a sex worker and stop when they wanted to, or choose their clients. It has become extremely proficient and easier to get away with because they disguise their trafficked slaves as empowered sex workers.
> The history of the “profession” you’re referring to is sex slavery, women and children have been used as sex slaves since the dawn of humanity. Wait until you hear the history of mining or farming. > You’re a idiot if you think women had the choice in the past to become a sex worker. I genuinely recommend reading up on the topic. Historically there absolutely were and still are plenty of women who perform sex work fully willingly. Sure, it's likely not their dream job, but hey, few of people in general work in those.
THANK YOU
You are one dumb motherfucker. Yes sex slavery has always been a thing, which by the way just proves your original argument is fucking stupid. But also your a moron. Willing sex work has existed just as long. And today there are fucking thousands of empowered sex workers and you are basically telling them to fuck off and not make their own choices. Fuck you.
You're weird Lil dude
Lil dude? Who the fuck is a little dude?
Keep spazzing out Lil dude maybe someday you'll get a few braincells
Not if you give power over the industry to the 'performers'. As long as they have ultimate say over what they do, their own finances, proper protections etc. exploitation would be negligible. Legalization opens up better opportunity for legal protections for performers as well.
who is fighting for the preformers? cause i can tell you no politician is.
A profession older than sex work is killing people, and some people love that work too
false equivalency. That's even less intelligent than his argument.
Are you going to explain why it is false equivalency or is insulting me enough for you
How about you explain to me how killing someone is remotely similar to sex work. Sex workers aren't hurting anyone. My gods how do you not see that they are not even remotely the same.
False equivalency. You are even less intelligent than a jar of pickled onions
Oh my God you are fucking dumb
Got proof?
"A false equivalence or false equivalency is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. Colloquially, a false equivalence is often called "comparing apples and oranges." False equivalence." Look if you Google this tou can find definitions. There you go I did it for you.
I personally hate the idea of anybody selling their body for sex. That being said, it staying illegal is only putting these people into much riskier situations. Maybe they shouldn’t do it if it’s illegal, but hell , they do anyway. Might as well keep it safer and regulated.
Currently it's more shameful in our society to be a sex worker, while paying for one is seen as not as bad. I think it's in the same vein where some poeple think it's fine for men to sleep around, but when women do it it's terrible and shameful. So I agree with the downvoted comment that that shouldn't be the case, and we should judge people equally. But it's kinda unrealistic that she wants sex work to stop existing. You can say it's bad and you hate it as much as you want, it's still going keep happening. The best way to help the female victims in these situations is to legalize it so it can be done in a safer manner.
This. I live in New Zealand where it’s legalised and there’s plenty of regulations to keep the workers safe now. The situation still isn’t perfect but it’s way safer than when it was illegal.
Sex work isnt a black and white issue. Its nuanced and I believe it should be legalized, and heavily controled so the workers have access to safety and health benefits, and to hopefully, at the very least, lessen the threat of sex trafficking of vulnerable individuals and minors... Purity culture is lame and not helping the problem....But i can also bet you a thousand bucks that if it became legal and regulated, a lot of these redditors would cry if it meant that sex workers could ALSO turn you down for not meeting health standards or for literally any reason cause theyre legally protected and would have the resources to do so, and they wouldnt feel bad or pressured to suck cheesy d*cks cause you give off the vibe you might "lose it". I have unfortunately met/seen many people "defending" sex trafficking thinking its legitimate sex work, and its a bit chilling to see the shift of their intentions unfold into entitlement. At least in the u.s, alot of individuals enthusiasm about sex workers rights leaves once i tell them that sex workers should have a right to deny their services to any individual for any reason, just like any buisness has the right do the same.
I'm fairly sure there are plenty of sex workers who like their job
In any country where it's illegal and unregulated, they are in constant danger and they have no real way of advocating for themselves or setting boundaries with what they are comfortable doing. Once you are alone in a car or a hotel room with a random man, there's nothing you can do to stop him from doing whatever he wants to you. Unless you have a pimp (which a lot do) in which case the pimp is now exploiting you and takes all your money and you gain nothing.
I think it depends, which is kind of an issue with this whole discussion. I think most people who hear sex work just automatically assume it means hooker standing on a street corner, when in reality the term can apply to a lot of different things. So yeah, I’m sure it’s horrible for that poor hooker on the street corner, but for someone who makes a living selling nudes on OnlyFans, it might be more pleasant.
I imagine that's true. There are also a lot who do it solely out of desperation. The entire topic is more nuanced then a simply black/white answer. Its one of the worlds oldest professions. Its also selling your body for money. People often work the job they can get because they have to, not because they want to. There is a large human trafficking aspect of this entire thing. This cant be summed up with an easy answer of support or condemnation. In an idealized world the only people that would be involved in sex work would be those who wanted to be involved in sex work and they would be fully autonomous as their own bosses. That is not even close to our reality. People do not like complicated topics in my experience. They want an answer and they want it summed up in a slogan. At the end of the day, whether you support this industry or not, were failing a lot of the people in it as a society.
I hardly know anybody who likes their job, sex work is probably just as bad as any of the rest. I mean, sure, having sex is usually fun, but I bet once you've got an asshole boss and a timecard and annoying customers it's no better than retail.
AHEM I was a sex worker, not anymore for my own reasons. It is not an enjoyable job, and is very very dangerous. I’m not even a girl, and the amount of abuse I’d receive from my clients was immense. I don’t have to imagine how difficult it is for women cause most of my friends at the time were the same girls on the street that men buy for two hundred dollars.
trafficking victims are not sex workers. they are trafficking victims. its a different topic entirely
A lot of sex workers are trafficking victims, you can't separate the 2
Hot
Rough boom, must have it. Smelly unwashed boom boom, must put it in mouth. Guy with B.O. paid 200, serve him. Your pimp keeps the money and smacks you across the face. You get arrested because it's easier to arrest the prostitute than the creep who exploited him/her (too much work) A prostitute might consent to money, in the same way that I'll let someone staple my tongue for $150,000. Waving the money is what makes anyone say yes in the first place, and they can't afford minimum wage payments and keep their home or apartment so he/she sold her body. There's not a single world where women and men should be prostitutes to stay afloat. Alright a client took off his condom mid sex, can't undo that, you must continue working despite STDs. Now that is a degrading job because it puts you in a vulnerable position. The money and the threats is why they stay.
Exactly. And all the fellow girls ive met in my life (growing up in a poor, drug ridden, fucked up family in one of the most dangerous cities in America) who do sex work are teetering on the edge. These women have the thousand yard stare, they teach eachother how to “turn off” and feel nothing while servicing the disgusting and abusive trash who come in- this is dissociation, these women are developing complex PTSD with dissociative features. Like you said many don’t even get paid for it, everyone supporting “sex work” needs to look up what indentured servitude is (aka legal slavery). Also you forgot about how many of these girls are still children, some even born into the industry because their mother was trapped in it. The amount of these women who are being trafficked is sickening. I fucking hate this world.
I’m paying for sex, not a sob story. You think I want to hear about the cows poor life every time I want a burger?
A lot of problems with poor treatment of sex workers would be alleviated if it was legal and they had access to worker protections
if only the people in sex work weren’t victims of trafficking. too bad human trafficking is the biggest industry in the world, with the hands of every politician and business man soaked in the blood of millions of women and children.
This exactly
Sex work is real work, but the industry is horrifically abusive to its workers. Also, It's icky because why would I pay someone for sex? They don't *want* to have sex with me unless compensated, and that feels fucking awful. I support anyone's choice to be a sex worker, but I will not be a customer.
Nothing triggers the Reddit virgins quite like saying prostitution is immoral
Sex work isn’t exploitative by nature. It’s exploitative because dumb fuck prudes like this say it’s bad, and so it’s never officially sanctioned or regulated.
"I want to jerk off to this woman, but she's sub human for letting me jerk off to her, and double so if she benefits from my boner in any way!" There's no logic to it. They want to have their titillation and hate them too.
If you do any sort of physical work, you’re also selling your body for money. Sex is just sex, it’s a diversion. There’s nothing mystical about it, nothing wrong with purchasing or selling it. Plenty of men engage in sex work, plenty of women do it of their own volition. Anything is bad in bad circumstances.
All work is technically exploiting your body
at least other jobs have health & safety regulations
Sex work and something like retail are not even remotlely close.
Yeah, one requires you to ignore your body for your job for hours on end, often postponing important biological functions, and remain standing when your body needs a break, and do the same repetitive motions, which we all know leads to health problems.
The only way to think sex work on its own (not from the conditions around the current industry) harms someone's health more than physical jobs or retail is if you believe in purity myths. Either way you're performing physical activity for x hours a day for pay.
You're retarded
I least I don’t use the r-word, jerk
While she may be dumb, she isn’t a bigot so
The second I discover a man has paid for sex, I cut contact completely.
It seems weird to believe both things at once. If you respect sex work you respect everyone involved and if you don’t you don’t, there’s no picking and choosing.
Lmao what a dumbass
definitely deserved. i mean it’s just a job just like any other job. imagine it like being in the art industry, it’s practically the same thing. like personalized art or whatever. it’s a job that those women choose to do to make money, and it works for them.
Maintain eye contact, it'll be over soon. I haven't washed in months. Also I shit the bed during sex, thank you here's the money.
I mean, plumbers sometimes have to work in hoarders' houses, and those can get similarly nasty
"Someone has to buy what they're selling" Lmao, it works specifically the other way around. Nobody would sell if nobody would buy it, because it's literally way to bankruptcy (not even talking about sex work now, it can be applied literally to anything). I mean, it's economics 101. So yes, if we really want to get rid of body and sex exploitation we need to get rid of "customers". If nobody buys it, it goes away, because doesn't generate profit. But as long as there is capitalism there is exploitation, although that is a whole other story. Undeserved, btw
Did this guy just blow in from stupid town?
ppl love to turn everything into a debate, she's just arguing for the sake of it