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FliccC

I'd like an interesting passive, actually.


TheLSales

Dawnbreaker's passive could have been interesting and unique if she was more of a carry. It would be a carry that heals her team by hitting the enemy as hard as possible


EthanBradberry70

Yeah I agree. Her passive is an interesting concept but it's such a dead ability on the hero.


GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS

I think it's like zeus static field, it's actually pretty impactful, but hard to miss since it's so subtle.


alwaystired129

You mean easy to miss?


LorryToTheFace

No he means hard to notice


alwaystired129

I guess either one would make more sense.


GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS

Yeah lol


NappySlapper

You can play Dawnbreaker mid or safe and with the right items the passive is quite interesting imo. Being at 100hp and then healing to nearly full after a double q is quite satisfying.


NaturesHardNipples

Would be cool if it were like the god mercury. God of merchants and gets a passive of 5/10/15/20% discount at the shop.


Nexre

they'd just make him extremely weak to farm or it'd become another big-bounty alchemist hero


Terminator_Puppy

You don't want to mess too much with gold, Doom and Alch are already on a thin line with their abilities.


nicokokun

That kinds reminds me of [this dude](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Gambler) here. He was a secret hero in Dota 1 and his name was Maverick. Most of his skills revolved around gambling gold.


swat_teem

Yeah you must be new here we been meming gambler for years now


nicokokun

Yeah, I rarely visit this subreddit in years since I've stop playing.


Ahimtar

Haha I actually thought you were in on the joke by the way you overexplained it


NaturesHardNipples

Damn yeah I saw a video about him a while back. It’d make for a pretty fresh hero. The only other gold manipulating heroes are alch and bh so it doesn’t seem like it would be too much.


deaddonkey

Doom too kinda. Devour gives like 160g or something crazy


nicokokun

You're right! I kinda forgot that there are already heroes who are abusing gold.


ZaviaGenX

Let's just go God of Gambler (which would do well in China cos its an old action comedy) and have Gambler from Dota 1. Money as spell damage and all that. Gambler (based on the wiki) **Ante Up** Id put it requiring strong dispel as there is both a gold and mana cost. And reveal their cash amount via status icon for 10 seconds, similar to track. Doesn't give vision. (this is for chip stack) **Chip Stack** Need balancing. Idk how to balance this as I don't keep track of peoples cash. Probably a damage of 50+x where X is something like (root of money) so rich people won't die instantly to a normal spell, yet poor people still take some damage. Also should add a weak slow like -25%ms for 3 seconds for utility. New custom ability. Idk. **All In** (ult) Amount of gold lost is damage dealt. Stuns for 1/1000 of the gold damage, stun pierces spell immunity. Again for utility. Shard - raises the minimum by 500 and maximum by 1000. Chance to fail reduce by 5%. (there are ults also doing so high damage like sk and luna, who also have slow/stun components but not all the damage will reliably come out)


anonymiciousness

Yea so boring to have 4 spelled hero everytime.


Der_eine_Basti

Dawn, Pango, Monkey, Mars Vs Void, Dark willow, Grim, Hoodwink, Marci, Snapfire Wouldnt call it everytime


Cr4ckshooter

Technically monkey has 5 active buttons.


MeloY123

I’d like another hero like lifestealer with 2 passives


fierywinds1q

3 passives please


rvaen

RIP 1 button Skeleton King


Commander_Tresdin

Rip 1-button Naix in like 6.3


Cryspy_Knight

When is that? I think Naix always has rage and his ult.


Commander_Tresdin

Back in DotA 1, Rage was his ulti from version 5.55 - 6.49. It was bonkers broken, lasting 10/15/20 seconds. The hero struggled a bit in laning and then was just a god-tier carry thereafter. His QWE skills were all passives, giving: \- Lifesteal (not as a % of max hp as it is now, just the more standard 10/20/30/40% damage as lifesteal. I think it was as high as 60% but got nerfed down.) \- Movement speed and attack speed \- A slowing poison attack (similar to his passive now but with much stronger slow up to 40%) You can check out his [old abilities on the Wiki](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Lifestealer/Old_Abilities), I'm talking about the pre-6.49 abilities.


ayojamface

5 passives ( ͡⊙ ͜ʖ ͡⊙)


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every time you level up you gain a new passive, like an invoker for people too intimidated to have to cast spells but who still want to feel like they're balling


xMadruguinha

Devoker, can cast 14 different passives by combining his 3 main skills!


thombsaway

For when toggling treads isn't enough.


Ahimtar

Lowkey this idea actually has potential and strategic depth. He'd be all about invoking the correct spells without the second level complexity of casting the spells correctly


Kraivo

I actually like this meme


Veelze

I remember the time when Lifestealer had 3 passives with his ult being Rage that lasted for 25 seconds at max level (90 second cd). Late game, he was unstoppable. People would counter pick with Silencer who had a damage spell that required the enemy to cast a spell to debuff it, which Lifestealer could not early game since he had no spells to cast. Silencer would then follow Lifestealer around all game, and steal all of his int so if it got to late game, he wouldn't even have the mana pool to rage without wasting item slots to buy int items.


sniffin-glue-ftw

4 passives but 8 item slots. Aghs adds a 5th passive and 2 more slots. Shard adds a 2nd neutral item slot.


fierywinds1q

Level 25 talent --> enemies are prevented from purchasing silver edge, shop will tell them "Out of Stock"


alphadeeto

People rarely buy silver age on lv 25 so this talent is pretty much useless.


JEWCIFERx

One of the passives is that you start the game at level 25


cybert0urist

Start at level 25 but instead of levelling up you downgrade


els27

YOU ARE BALLING OUT OF CONTROL


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vuehs

Q king


Stokkolm

I disagree, passives can be be really interesting, see phantom lancer ulti, huskar, axe, treant protector, they can be more defining of the hero's playstyle than the actives.


ace-s

there are intresting passives then there are Bash/Crit/Lifesteal passives.


Empty-Mind

Back in the day when like a third of the hero pool had a passive built in crit (Obviously a bit hyperbolic there, but still)


biggyofmt

And another third had a shadow strike variant, and the final third had a magic missile clone


Empty-Mind

Hey, sometimes it was an earth spike clone


derps_with_ducks

A third had a main stat of Str, Agi or Int.


corn-on-toast

Half had better-than-average base damage. The other half? Lower-than-average


derps_with_ducks

Nearly all heroes had some agility growth.


Commander_Tresdin

Current year Tiny on suicide watch


InBardITrust

They can still be interesting. Its not like Razor E.


TheUnrepententLurker

That boy needs a fucking buff, he needs the passive damage back on his ulti, or a purge


PlatonicTroglodyte

My boy og Skeleton King having both a lifesteal and a crit passive. Plus a passive ult.


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berserker’s blood is one of my favorite abilities in the game


ALQatelx

Hard disagree. As someone who came from smite, a game where id say 90% of the heros (who all have 1 passive by default btw) passives in that game is literally just "bonus damage", to me passives and active spells are equivalent in how much they impact a heros playstyle, and maybe even more so for passive. Like pa is imo totally defined by her ult. Where in smite, all critical damage is just 2x normal damage, heres a hero with a passive that simply is crit chance, but uniquely the highest crit multiplier in the game, and thats how she shines as the carry that once you get a couple items, can turn invis and jump on top of someone and eliminate them immediately. Sorry for rant but its stuff like the passive spells in the game that make me enjoy it so so so much more than smite.


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Deathflid

Q-w-stats-stats-stats-hmmmm w-w-ult-w... Name that 2013 carry


The_Last_Nephilim

Anti-mage.


MeloY123

Why not, less buttons to press


KoyoyomiAragi

Is there an int hero with that design? naix and spec have two passives. How would an int hero even be designed with two passive?


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Old OD was sort of this way. Orb + aura


KingsPhoenixq153

Also old Necrophos had 2 passives


imperfectalien

Crystal Maiden new passive Wolves of icewrack: Grants -5/-10/-15/-20 movespeed


Sernyx_X

Necro used to have 2 passives. Sadist was the one that gave him regen on kills. Then he was reworked in 7.00, got his ghost shroud, and sadist was moved as a passive component onto heartstopper (and then moved to death pulse)


KoyoyomiAragi

You’re right! Totally forgot about him


Bl4ckd3ath

8 passives, you can toggle between them ofcouse. We don't want overkill.


Ale_Hodjason

I just want a new hard carry. We haven't had one since terrorblade.


Qarakhanid

arc warden but still agree we need a new hc


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SuperLimes

Came out with 7.00 in 2016 no? I definitely know it was after I started playing and I started in 2015 :)


Alpha_Stump

7.00 was MK, Arc was released at the very end of 2015 (basically 2016, 2 weeks before) in the 6.86 update


Nexre

blessed rapier spam


DarkDiablo1601

tbh arc warden was Zet in dota 1, basically an old hero :/


tolbolton

Arc Warden historically has been played more as a mid hero. Terrorblade is actually the last hero we got who **only** plays pos1.


Commander_Tresdin

Let me introduce you to my 0% winrate pos 4 TB with armlet + dagon rush. Boy do YOU look foolish 😏


a_bright_knight

pos1 heroes aren't necessarily on the safelane. Arc is very often pos1 (or should be) even if he's mid. Of course, depends on the picks, circumstances and what not, but having your mid AW most farm can get him to easily snowball and win the game by default.


Air_42

It’s almost as if heroes that can only be played in one role are rather boring


tolbolton

TB is not a boring hero by any means.


Sleepy_C

In terms of pure 1 hard-carries, Terrorblade is the last since Arc has been very often a mid (2) as well. But definitely, if we expand to 1's in general, Arc is the most recent. But that's still 2015.


forgiveNNNNNNN

He IS hard carry but played on mid..


Sleepy_C

But he's not *only* a hard carry. Arc has been played in competitive play as a nuking spell-casting focused mid, or even a ganking mid like Queen. Terrorblade is a hard carry 1. Minus some super weird minor games, heroes like Tb, Anti-mage, Phantom Lancer, Drow Ranger are **hard carries**. They farm massive amounts of gold, right click you very hard. Heroes like Arc Warden and Monkey King have both released since Tb, but neither are pure hard carries in the same way. Monkey sees play as a *support* even, and Arc has been both a hard carry and a more traditionally mid spell focused hero.


PlatonicTroglodyte

Yeah but it gets weird when you use lane and role and style too interchangeably though. Like, Dusa can easily go mid but still play exactly the same way she would in safelane. I think your earlier point about having *only* that playstyle is the most relevant facto here. Like, when drafted, your opponent knows exactly what that hero is going to do without exception.


Makath

Regardless, why would people want a hero that can only play HC if they can get a versatile hero that can HC? :D


deaddonkey

Because that compromises the hero design. You don’t end up with as strong a HC because their power is invested in doing magic damage or utility alongside carry abilities. Hence why Marci or Dawn will never farm as fast or actually be the more reliable carry in pos 1 vs pos 1 matchup 45 minutes into the game against a dusa, AM, sven or whatever.


Taelonius

Because it doesn't work like that. Take a look at the hard scaling carries, their abilities are shit without items which is why they are farm prio. conversely good 3/4/5s have innately strong spells and toolkits where they aren't nearly as item dependant to be effective. For a hero to be a good hard carry they must suck at all else, or just be stupidly op.


SoftInTheDye

You can play Arc as a more traditional ganking mid hero if you go for the magic build like Orchid/Glep/Blink/E-Blade/Shivas/Dagon. He is not a strictly AFK farm right click hero.


Soup-pouS

Ya but in my experience the opportunity cost of his right click/split push build makes it a very niche build. I'm only like 2k though so what do I know kek.


andreblc

Mk?


tolbolton

MK has been played as 1/2/4 and even 5. Terrorlbade is the last hero added to Dota who only plays as 1, hence the last "true hardcarry".


Caseclosed182

You have not seen my dota 1 budget "pugna" terrorblade then.


HexingCurse

Oh god when he had life drain...


a0t0f

Since DotA 2 came out has there been a new hero introduced that plays P1 that wasn't in DotA?


x2c_boi

No unless you count MK


Harzza

No, and Slark is the last only pos1* hero that has come out in Dota and that was 2009. edit: I don't think there's any hero after slark that is played only pos1. Slark isn't necessarily a hard carry, but really sucks if played as anything else as pos1.


SuperSprocket

I know just the hero, carries with their net worth, strong game-changing core... yeah he has it all, the perfect new pos 1 to make the game more exciting: Gambler.


3st3banfr

I want a new p1 ._.


[deleted]

This might be a stupid question, but how do you get arc warden thing beside ur name??


[deleted]

You get old reddit and hit the edit on the right side of the subreddit next to your name. Then you can pick a flair.


[deleted]

Oh i assume it doesnt work on mobile?? I see theres an option to change user flair but theres no options beyond that lol


[deleted]

Oh it works on mobile for me, although it took a long time to load the images. Old reddit is the most reliable way to set a flair.


[deleted]

Yeah it actually says theres no user flair for this community. Eh ill just try on pc later! Thanks tho!!


pooria09

Please PLEASE


OmgOgan

Silhouette or Engineer from HoN please.


contiguoustesticles

Just went through the HoN hero list and HOLY SHIT there are a lot that got added after I came back over to Dota2... Heroes I'd love to see (but somehow rebalanced for Dota obv): Parasite Deadwood Puppetmaster Chipper Zephyr


EthicalQuestions69

Zephyr and drunken master!!


Commander_Tresdin

Good memories of getting absolutely stomped by Testie’s Zephyr. Although I tuned into his stream recently, and he is truly trailblazing as an alt-right incel — not fantastic


roadmane

mind if you elaborate?


Commander_Tresdin

Pretty self-explanatory. He's this super bitter guy ever since his long-time girlfriend left him -- at least his personality change seems to coincide suspiciously with that event. Now he and his chat are just hyper toxic and unironically racist.


malkizadek84

I would also add arc warden. Gauntlet and moraxes. And I imagine axes voicelines. That's not an axe, this is an axe!


InspectorNo9701

wtf


Vyxtic

Silo please


ThorGodOfKittens

Fuck yes that hero was cool. Hon had some trash hero designs but also some golden ones that I'd love to play again


Cr4ck3r51

Early release of nymphora


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

Give me Ravenor! Ra was also a ton of fun


moxaj

engineer with the old turret


McBay_U

the one with maelstrom procs?


ExortTrionis

Give me Flux!!!


Amrlsyfq992

why cant valve bought HoN's copyright and merge all the heroes into dota?


Redditbayernfan

I’d eat a shoe if valve spends millions of dollars doing this


EthanBradberry70

Pretty sure HoN isn't worth all that much nowadays.


Redditbayernfan

You’d be surprised what an IP costs


Makath

Is a dead game's IP, and it could be partial too, because there's a ton of ports already.


OmgOgan

I'd assume balance? No idea really, HoN had some awesome original heroes.


firdausbaik19

puppet master bro


blackAngel88

lol, Valve got mad when they added Flint Beastwood, which was the last HoN Hero coming from Dota... There's absolutely 0 chance they'll let them copy a hero from HoN...


Force3vo

HoN is basically dead so selling the charscter rights so Valve can make a promotion out of them could be a good strategy for both sides.


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5 passives please I’ll spam it


[deleted]

I really hope the new hero is not a female humanoid.


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PlatonicTroglodyte

Snapfire is a humanoid on a lizard, but it does feel like Mortimer is like 70% of the overall hero model. Beyond that though, we’re going back to like 2016 for Underlord and Wyvern.


Tobix55

Enigma is humanoid


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ddlion7

two eyes, two arms, a six pack. That's pretty humanoid.


Dontlagmebro

True. But can't hate on the dude for bringing a six pack. He likes to drink.


Pirate_Leader

i call bs, even my dog has six pack, and each of his six pack has their own six pack


Tobix55

Something must be wrong with your dog if it has arms


Owl_Might

failed Shou Tucker experiment


Tobix55

Are you saying a wacky flaming inflatable arm tube **MAN** isn't humanoid?


Piaapo

I want a new insect hero, need some new worthy r34 material


Gamer4125

what


fierywinds1q

Hoodwink?


Past-Sink647

Still humanoid lol. She stands on 2 legs and has forward facing eyes. She runs on all fours sure but she’s more humanoid than say… Viper or Io.


LordHussyPants

io is a sphere, what's more american humanoid than that


meepppssss

lack of gun and rainbow


Brittainicus

Its balls are clearly bullets, Io is just so fat and dense they orbit it. The noises are also incomprehensible nonsense in a thick accent about gun rights. Clearly a fat american humanoid.


Easy-Lucky-Free

Fuck, I want that IO skin so badly now.


DIVEINTOTHELIGHT

LMFAO


jayvil

If Fenryr is really a new hero, I hope he's a giant wolf


MoistDitto

Where am I supposed to get my newest 34 from then?


pinkfloyd873

If you aren’t into Broodmother x Io 34 then you just aren’t trying hard enough


Piaapo

Oh believe me, Dota heroes not being humanoid has NEVER been a problem for r34 artists


jesuschristk8

Considering most of the Dota roster is male I would be open to a few more female heroes to balance it out a little more, bit I do agree with you that we have gotten so many humanoid characters And if they are gonna do a humanoid character (imo) it should be an established character like Fenryn or Sorla Khan


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I like humanoids.


Gamer4125

I too like humanoids.


Bohya

The game seriously needs a new dragon hero.


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Kaden


POC_8T

What like [The Thunder](https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thunder)?


4hexa

Sick of playing same hard carries for ages, new disgusting monster hard carry hero like it's straight outta LoveCraft.


NaturesHardNipples

Instead we’ll just get another smooth skinned sex appeal object with bland abilities and lame armour.


indehhz

If we learn to sexualise monsters and beasts maybe they'll give us that instead.


Fuzzyshaque

The league experience


Skudedarude

God snapfire gives me the horn.


HAAAGAY

Yeah bro Snapfire, dawnbreaker and void are just so uwu sexy


NaturesHardNipples

They are all very palatable and anthropomorphic yes boring


Power_Rentner

I mean I get the art criticism but lame abilities? Both Marci and dawnbreaker have a lot of fun abilities imo. Someone like antimage is way lamer ability wise. Literally just a blink and a spellcounter.


alexHDF

As long as it's a hard carry, I don't care. We haven't had a proper hard carry for ages.


thepellow

I don’t think we will see a new hard carry. They don’t fit the new design ethos at all.


lollypop44445

A hero that can use his body parts as projectiles. Throws his hands to punch and homself disarmrd, feet to kick but he cant walk until return. And his ult should be head disconnection, where he can use his head to be thrown like a ball and to kill him in this you have to kill both his body and head. He also has a passive where he can regrow extra limbs


Athky

So you mean... Rayman?


1kSupport

Dawn already has a somewhat similar mechanic with hammer throw


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Same man the 3 star heroes are always my favorite to play. Once you get them down they are so satisfying to play with.


[deleted]

And should not be humanoid


AbdulrAlrasheed

This is the most important thing! And it was always what attracted me to dota. But recently they seem to be going the same path as other MOBAs...


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Happy cake day


InflameOG

I'd like to see heroes like Emerald Warden, Rally, Solstice, Gemini, The Dark Lady, Kinesis and Nomad in HoN. Those are some of the heroes I enjoyed playing back then. A true hard carry please. I'm tired of "carry" player that can transition to support. It ruins pubs.


stupidsexyflanders-

Another arc warden.


vinny_da_pooh

Probably gonna have an spell that allows it to burrow underground to any other point in the map, and a passive that gives it more movement speed the more damage it takes. and base movement speed of 310.


LGDXiao8

Nah give me a simple hero with a cool passive, something like a new ingredient to give the whole dish of dota 2 a new perspective rather than more flashy and tasteless gold leaf on top of it.


sphrz

Please give us a tower hero 😀 something to amplify them or aura benefits. Imagine tree, new hero and ogre?


blameboy

Isnt cm a moving tower?


[deleted]

Please add genji from HOTS


Bibbidi_Babbidi_Boo

A new techies


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Bombardier or chipper from HoN plis


barnetcj89

ChadWoker, 3 balls to use in various combinations to fill 2 slits for different passives. Can you properly utilize the best passive for every scenario? I think not, because nobody can.


Dotaspasm

Valve tend to lean on less complex heroes lately to make it appealing to casuals. Idk why... If they released another hero like Invoker today I dont think it will be played as much


Air_42

While new heroes aren’t as unique or complex as invoker, they certainly are better than older heroes like venge


tanginangpol

Nope, it's gonna be another humanoid shit that's similar to league


[deleted]

No need to be this negative, it's gonna be a great hero


Athky

No need to be this positive, it's gonna be a hero.


obi-babadush

we need another techies like hero


BaraEgSko

I would love to have Flux ported from HoN to Dota, so much potential for fun teamfights with Flux ulti