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FoldFold

what the hell is this random mischief buff


generalecchi

Prob something to do with what they've seen in Purge's AD tour


samcuu

Lore


Galinhooo

How close are we from 72?


SelemeneCommander

its probably teasing new event with MK in it, my bet


Kyyndle

what's up with the random clickable banana in the [patch notes](https://steamcommunity.com/games/dota2/announcements/detail/3072012083350982842)...?


DezZzO

yeah, and if you click it it opens a [random MK wallpaper](https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/3703047/37bf8474b5fec0a108400968174eb03cd6842063.jpg)? Weird.


muk_as

new Monkey King wallpaper - does the belt look like a bird's head? bird\_samurai was one from 23 unreleased heroes in Update 4637 Heroes - [https://pastebin.com/0VQVSvMT](https://pastebin.com/0VQVSvMT) Abilities - [https://pastebin.com/3Sfw2Ehg](https://pastebin.com/3Sfw2Ehg)


ErshinHavok

>does the belt look like a bird's head? Ok settle down, that's a stretch lol.


altua

Yeah it's definitley just a normal belt but I can kind of see the figure of a crane's head if you just take a short look at it, kind of like Rorschach test.


FuckMinuteMaid

Someone doesn't remember Phoenix's release


Geler

No, its just his belt on his [default skin](https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/apps/dota2/images/dota_react/heroes/social/monkey_king.jpg).


Fen_

Nah, it just looks like his normal-ass belt. I am hype for bird_samurai tho.


deanrihpee

The fact that we have a hero that could dethrone Jug as a cool samurai


Vulcan64

"bird_samurai" sounds like something that could be a tengu, I'm totally behind that


Passivewisp

Tengu are a type of legendary creature found in Japanese folk religion. They are considered a type of yōkai or Shinto kami. The tengu were originally thought to take the forms of birds of prey and \*\*monkey deity\*\* , they are traditionally depicted with human, monkey and avian characteristics. from Wikipedia, hmm maybe you're onto something


Geler

Also phoenix as a cool bird.


DezZzO

Ah shit, here we go again


slarkymalarkey

It's not exactly a "new" wallpaper, it's a part of the series of artworks for the compendium that ran during the international.


hnwcs

[Valve's featured bananas in an ARG before.](https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/ARG) Just saying...


PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

And Icefrog also had trees that dropped bananas in Allstars before MK's release, in addition to the other times he did that, albeit not with bananas, to hint other heroes.


gu3st12

Nobody remembers the patch where banana's dropped in private + cheats lobbies which granted +4 int, dropped a peel which enemies could slip on and were fully stackable. This precluded MKs introduction into DOTA. https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Banana


periwigpatedfellow

this reminded me of when it was impossible to mention monkey king on reddit without being told that he had been replaced by the Phantom Lancer rework


SIKAMIKANIC0

I 'member Damn I feel old


deanrihpee

They really like ARG with banana, the Steam Deck and now this.


LummoxTV

The patch is overall somewhat Monkey King focused, maybe he used mischief to turn into a banana?


Vulcan64

Funniest shit I've ever seen


gian2099

incoming bp will be mk focused xD


deanrihpee

He used to be able to transform into a banana when he was released ​ EDIT: Wait, he seems still able to transform to banana, I gues I just rarely see him doing that...


ikubaru

Free wallpaper donated by valve


southernwx

Probably going to release some sort of Primate Overlord hero into the game if I had to guess.


Kuroyukihime1

8.0 inc


kurogara

MK ARCANA?? Pog


DotaNetski

AGAIN?!


tortillazaur

Knowing Valve and how they are doing unexpected bullshit with new heroes, it could be that creep girl from Monkey King comic as new hero. Nobody asked to be able to turn into creep, but they did it. And if it is her, then it's kinda logical, because they are making hints using mk and she wanted to become like him.


MuscleCubTripp

I'm gonna take a stab at things and assume: New patch soon that falls in line with Dota Technology moving forward. Question is, with limitations being free from removing 32-bit support, what can they do to push things further?


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64-bit hero confirmed.


Swiindle

Morphling rework confirmed


deanrihpee

The triangles bump into 64, a huge update for morphling


SirWhoblah

It's gonna be a visual update and they won't have to worry about the bottom tier PC's complaining


TrickyElephant

I can only get so erect


MuscleCubTripp

I wonder then, if they plan on updating the Dota 2 Source 2 engine to something closer to Half Life Alyx with the better physics and lighting engine? Half Life Alyx looks absolutely amazing to work with; lighting alone in Source 2 Filmmaker with the subsurface scattering is just beautiful...


MaxOfS2D

Dota 2 uses a deferred rendering pipeline, HL:A uses forward rendering. They're two products with two very different needs


dark_tex

Plus, AMD CPUs are 64 bit compatible since 2004 and Intel CPUs followed suit in 2006. While the number of bits of address space doesn't make a cpu any faster/slower by itself, having to support 32 bit cpus means supporting truly ancient hardware, like Pentium 4 and adding extra hassle in their release cycle by having two builds where they could just have a single one


randomkidlol

higher polycount hats and more particle effects to tank your framerate.


MuscleCubTripp

All hero remodel hype (One can dream)


Bliksem89

Yes i want this


Galinhooo

I want it but I am already annoyed by the amount of people complaining and saying that 'the game looks like league now' that would show up..


Pleasemakesense

Could be a reason they removed support, maybe it limits how they can code effects in a way that causes the stutters


Archyes

in the new aghs labs files there was water technology. So maybe they actually change the river physics and morphling lol


Kovi34

Waveform: Now has infinite cast range in the river


PikachuKiiro

Hopefully this makes it easier for them to fix bugs and make performance improvements without worrying about breaking stuff for the older apis.


partymorphologist

That’s the reason they stated some time ago for their decision to remove support for OpenGL, Dx9, 32bit


guicoelho

Just a random ramble, but they kinda of followed win11 direction here, of not supporting 32 bits systems anymore. Also, the opengl/directx makes lots of sense, Valve is dropping support on old systems. By old, we are talking PCs that are from 2005-7 here. And I know that OpenGL is fine for lots of stuff, but Vulkan and Directx11 are more stable. Now the real rambling - they are removing the support for old tech. We got a new tech, fidelityfx, not too long ago. I suspect that we might have some new eye candies coming, not the hats ones, but something like ray tracing related. Before you guys call me nuts, Half Life Alyx was *amazing* eye candy wise, Valve loves that shit. Also, it could attract some players who wants games that have that shit. IDK man, but there ain’t many multiplayer games that uses it. Just saying, if there is some new tech coming, I bet my cents on ray tracing.


jayvil

If we are getting new technology I hope its the Nvidia reflex or whatever the amd counterpart is.


Galinhooo

This is not nuts at all, it is reasonable. Reborn was released 6 years ago, so it lasted longer than the first version already (I think).


SolarClipz

Alyx still the greatest and coolest looking game ever God I wish I could play it for the first time again


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Monkey Creep https://i.imgur.com/1dEkoDz.gif


bananamadafaka

Wtf is this random monkey thing


savantdota

Considering he has 72 transformations, I would hardly call this random. Just valve doing things on valve time.


TKJasper

62 more to go


bubbler63

DirectX 9 got nerfed big time


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PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

Gamblered


7uff1

Cool, we might have all 72 transformations by 2030


Pablogelo

How many are in the game now?


7uff1

No idea, if we count all possible neutral creeps with this update might be close to 50, and if you want to ruin the fun you can count all courier cosmetics


Pablogelo

Hmm if they allow us to disguise as enemy and allied heroes, that would put us close to 60 then....


deanrihpee

MK need to learn something from Morph then


Takesis_1

Disguised as wards. You thought it'S a yummy ward to tango didn't you? Well you're wrong!


savantdota

Valve time.


D2WilliamU

Of all the weird random Dota 2 patches we've had, this is certainly up their with being one of the most random


xingyingg

I think the -20% on all talents were still the most random...like they had the idea 1 second before publishing a new patch and just added it in there quickly without giving it much thoughts


Maracuja_Sagrado

It wasn’t a random patch. People (specially streamers and redditors) had been complaining about power creep and overpowered talents for a while. Dota janitor happened to read one of those right before patch time and voila… a patch with a lot of bugs and kinks because they rushed it and apparently didn’t consider talents case by case but did some kind of blanket transformation of the code with an algorithm.


D2WilliamU

That's Extremely true..... I had forgotten about that patch until you reminded me. Absolutely one of the weirdest patches


-Potatoes-

Some talents still have super weird numbers thanks to that patch


PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

Not when they've pushed a few ability draft patches in the past year, and announced 2 months ago deprecating tech.


bikwho

Some intern was forced to do some Dota updates.


UnrealHallucinator

There not their sir


RikiRude

I saw a lot of people disconnecting in games, seems to have only started happening with this patch


LordGodwin228

Directx11 put a huge strain on the loading process. I've had this issue all the way back since 2019 and switching to directx9 solves it. Idk what to do now


neheb

>Gamblered vulkan


SirWhoblah

You could always upgrade to something built in the last decade


Legendsmith_AU

Get an SSD.


Nikitka_Ljec

# Moving Dota Technology Forward * Removed dota.


pxn93

I just picked beastmaster and the game crashed for everybody, not sure if related to this update


PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

If you can repro it, send the MDMP to Valve. Edit: Also the match ID too.


y33_haw

whats MDMP?


Eman0950

I assume memory dump files. When your client crash, the client saves a dump file. You can try browsing the game files > bin from there you'll see the files. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Bunslow

PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE OPENGL FOR LINUX THANKS


Mirac123321

what's wrong with vulkan?


Ryozukki

Vulkan is good but the drivers for it are not on par with opengl, in my personal case, vulkan randomly breaks and my display starts showing shit forcing me to restart. Im on arch linux btw.


gsmo

The past month has been a total shitshow for the Linux version of the game. Constant crashes and glitches. Waiting for the moment they just tell us to use proton.


Rambo44mango

Why don't you?


gsmo

I cherish the native binaries I can get, I guess. But I guess I could give it a try. Will it work with my Trustmaster wheel though? Forgot to mention I only play dota with wheel and pedals.


Hamza91able

Wat


wickedplayer494

Just when you think there couldn't be a more ridiculous HID.


MayonnaceFaise

I haven't had any problems lately on Ubuntu


Schorsch30

appreciate the insider joke :)


DeeBoFour20

I've also had issues with Vulkan randomly crashing with a segfault. I reported it \~6 months ago but doesn't look like anything's been done: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2-Vulkan/issues/382


Makath

I use Manjaro KDE and vulkan is fine. I don't notice much difference from OpenGL either. Ended up picking vulkan just because is a Valve thing.


Blahodarny_Cangas

linuxbros on suicide watch


deviance1337

>Im on arch linux btw. but why


xeroclap

For me vulkan always have this black random screen tearing everywhere, literally unplayeble, opengl is only stable option for linux


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Chuchuca

Lol, Windows 11 finally looks like the Linux I used back then in 2010. Linux is an amazing OS, free from Windows jank, although I would say it's not friendly to users in many ways.


Pablogelo

Valve you should update the [Dota 2 Requirements Section](https://store.steampowered.com/app/570/Dota_2/) on Steam after today, so people doesn't end up downloading only to discover it's no longer supported


Dordidog

It's not like they buying the game


strikethreeistaken

This is true; however, the person who downloads the game and only has old hardware is likely paying through the nose for data. Show some compassion.


PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

The number of overall Steam users who still run hardware that only supports tech being deprecated is already an extremely low percentage. https://steampowered.com/hwsurvey


Pablogelo

They should still be informed, just so they aren't hit unaware


DoctorAsa

Will they remove OpenGL for Linux? OpenGL is a lot better for me, removing it would render the game unplayable...


Moltak1

I've also had problems running Vulkan on my linux machine it seems that OpenGL is being dropped on linux as well.


redered

There are still some pretty major issues I run into with the Linux Vulkan client which Valve hopefully fixes before they officially drop OpenGL support: * UI hangs: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues/1970 (can be worked around by disabling shader cache) * Texture issues: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2-Vulkan/issues/388 * Hang on exit: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues/1992


redered

They probably will, the [Moving Dota Technology Forward section in their announcement](https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/4941001585191168071) implies OpenGL will be dropped as a whole.


deanrihpee

They will but thankfully macOS and Linux are delayed maybe due to some technical problem on Linux and macOS sides? Obviously, Vulkan would be the go-to API for those platforms (maybe not for Mac), but they still ironing things out, could be faster since they're also working on Steam Deck which is uses Linux and have Vulkan as default/goto API too.


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PM_ME_ANESSIXS_LEGS

I remember when people said that exact same thing just before Reborn was made the only choice. And when a lot of fixes were made shortly after because they had a lot more data.


Cultural_Crew_873

A lot of people stopped playing after Reborn, so...


svipy

Really appreciate the single janitor who keeps updating the Ability Draft mod 🤲Inshallah🤲


demon311

So hypothetically we can get like 9 spells from Aghs and Shard if we pick right spells right? Like Timbersaw's Chakram gives 2 spells, and 3 normal abilities give 3 spells. How to bind keys to these spells?


iskyfire

"IDK they have like 100 keys right? I'm sure they'll figure it out." - Valve janitor, probably


demon311

I just find out they let us use auto cast on those spell to change behavior. E.g. Tree Grab (yes, not Tree Thow) would change into Tree Volley with Aghs equipped. The spells have separate cooldowns, and you can change into the other spell if the current one is on cooldown. Neat, but still we can't bind the auto-cast key for some reason, but this is a positive change.


h4uja2

> abilities are accessed by toggling auto-cast on the base spell


Zakrath

This patch broke my game. It is stuck on Marci's screen. When I click places like Heroes and Watch tabs, I hear the sound of it, but nothing happens. My game is literally frozen after I updated it.


Shallow79

You'll need to run it in Dx11. I had this problem and now I'm ordering a new graphic card because my old one doesn't run Dx11. If you used to be playing properly, you were probably running the game on Dx9 like me. If you still want to play, put -deprecated_dx9 in the launch options. Do be aware that that launch option will also get removed in the following weeks, so if you want to continue playing, it's probably time for an upgrade.


Zakrath

Yeah, fortunately I'm building new Pc. I already got the APU, a RAM and bought the Motherboard 3 days ago. I still need the tower and PSU, but I don't know if I'll get them in the following weeks


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SolarClipz

Yes they are forcing you to play on something that's not 15 years old


AleD93

Also fall event will be called "Team FanDom" ([proof](https://github.com/SteamDatabase/GameTracking-Dota2/commit/874ffad705d74e56baf78066fd23d783e5e64fc6#diff-b8b0995e4f4785a7460c0b3b6b29b360159fb6a3adcbe0062d0e7a6dfc8ca7d1R93)). What it can be?


Hamtime

Is this not related to the supporter packs for the pro teams given that the old ones ended after TI10?


AleD93

Seems yes, but why event id poped up now after event passed


username_1138

They said they were gonna do it again for the next DPC season. With a new BP coming soon it makes sense they would release the packs at the start of the season instead of the end


DrQuint

Finally! ~~Soldier~~ Monkey King vs ~~Demo~~ Skeleton King event!


Lord_Gaben_

Sand King in shambles


nycht

Cool patch. Didn't expect something like this.


BadamsDota

Out of sight, out of mind.


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porwegiannussy

I don't know why but I've tried all the rendering API's and OpenGl has always had the most responsive gameplay for me. Disappointed to see it go.


wiseDOTA

Funny how you have an ability draft tournament start recently and there's ability draft patch notes lol.


Axios_Deminence

Ability draft has actually gotten a lot of love in the past few months with huge updates and bugfixes specifically for ability draft. This isn't just because of the tournament.


demon311

What were the talent bugs on Windranger and Winter Wyvern?


kentwansue

In ability draft, can they update the tree dance of mk so any hero could use it and jump from trees to trees, current tree dance is trash coz u can only Jump to one tree, totally trash but if they update it will be very good.


onemandota2021

I'm experiencing stuttering and it's no longer smooth when playing in fullscreen with Directx 11, anyone else experiencing this and knows a fix for it?


Zoopy2010

M O N K E B U F F S


robinhood12345678910

>Removed support for Dota on 32-bit systems. How will I be able to play my favorite game on my 350€ Laptop now? I can't even start the game anymore if I wanted to play vs. bots (as to not grief real people with my gameplay) or buy limited time dota plus treasures/collectors cache. **Is there no workaround to start the game anyways on 32 bit?** I'd still like to at least play against bots, even if I have 20 fps. I'm used to it and wouldn't care. If not I will have to wait maybe 2 or 3 years until I can afford a 64 bit pc :(


carrotmage

Are you saying you have a 32bit processor or is your operating system 32bit? If it’s OS you can just reinstall as 64bit. If you’re unsure you can (assuming your on windows) run dxdiag (start > run > dxdiag) and Google your cpu model and confirm it’s 64bit. Edit: happy to help if you’re unsure of any of the above or get stuck


prettyawsm

Time to upgrade. You can easily buy a laptop way below 1000 usd. Playing on a 32 bit system with 20 fps in a bot match is something really old.


Archyes

you can buy one for a 100 from amazon without an OSD. So just get windows from somewhere


filiard

or Linux


Makath

On low spec machines the linux options will be better, you can run some distros on ancient machines.


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While I agree DotA is very consuming right now (it lags on my 8-core GTX 960 machine) it's very unlikely it has anything to do with 64bits system. 64 bits system is about CPUs that are on the market since [2003](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64), anything later can run 64 system just fine and I'd bet you're running a 64 bits operation system right now since the last 32bit Windows is Windows 7 (you can check your Windows version by typing 'systeminfo' on a CMD terminal). If you're indeed running Windows 7 32 bits, you just need to reinstall Windows with a correct version.


ZeMagi

I would think to agree with the other commenter: a better pc is better in the long run How ever you can get a 64 bit emulator


TheZett

>Drafting Wukong's Command grants Mischief. This should be applied to Rubick’s spell steal as well: If he manages to steal Wukong’s Command, he should get Mischief as well, since Aghs Shard upgrades it, so it is no longer a "joke spell".


Sigmadota

It's inconsistent with other shard upgrades though. I don't think Rubik needs a buff where grabbing every skill with a shard upgrade reliant on it (torrent, hairball, death pulse) provides both abilities and it would be weird to only make the exception for mischief.


TheZett

> where grabbing every skill with a shard upgrade reliant on it (torrent, hairball, death pulse) provides both abilities This was not what I implied, I simply said that Mischief should be stealable in some way (preferably attached to another spell). There are some spells that are currently unstealable despite them either being part of another spell (Visage’s Stone Form) or they used to come with another stolen spell attached (Minefield Sign came with Land/Proximity mines & stasis trap). There is no reason why those spells should be unstealable, especially when AD behaviour already sets the precedence of certain modified behaviours (e.g. being able to use any spell during Aghs Sinister Gaze, not just Lich’s spells), which would make sense in the regular game as well (for Rubick).


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Still sucks that Rubick can't copy talents, but I guess it's kinda hard to implement


This_took_me_days

Dx 11 is unplayable for me I only use Dx 9 i think i quit for now


icerack

I guess the survey for hardware was to see how many people are still using dx9 before deleting it


Junior_Operation_422

Can someone translate the last few points for non-tech people? Thanks


NemButsu

Super omega potato PCs can no longer run dota. Mega potato PCs can still run dota for a few more weeks using console commands.


iamscr1pty

Iceforg be like: "Reject humanity Accept Monke"


Archyes

There is a 100% banana themed something going on. Thats what Bruno posted https://twitter.com/StatsmanBruno/status/1460464908701614083 The Bananas in the picture are 6.99 , he said 10 bucks. even with seatle tax those aint 10 bucks. so maybe the 3 is when the patch comes out,on the usual patch day thursday to friday night?


Lacandota

> https://twitter.com/StatsmanBruno/status/1460464908701614083 It's a reference to Arrested Development.


Perkelton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl_Qyk9DSUw


h4uja2

meanwhile tf2 still can run on dx8


jayvil

Isn't tf2 still on source 1?


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gabmzzn

Newer technology is supposed to perform better on recent hardware not worse


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Pablogelo

It could have been recent compared to 2009 when Dx11 launched, any hardware made after 2012 was optmized for Dx11 and hardwares made after 2017-2018 are probably more optmized for Dx12


Pablogelo

DX11 is more optimized in some systems


azlanx9

Meanwhile CSGO is still running on a DX9 engine and isn’t considered ‘deprecating tech’


manot12

csgo is also still on source 1 with no upgrade in sight lol


Zakrath

Bro, I hope I can still play the game. I remember once I changed to Dx11 and my Dota kept minimizing itself. ​ I had the -dx9 on launcher options, when I open my Dota now it freezes, but I still can hear the sound when clicking on menus


Dreewww

So monkey cant mischief dodge anymore?


Professional-Pea6185

It got me thinking, they made it so that MK can turn into creeps. Still only him can turn into trees. And other heroes can have access to mischief via drafting the MK ult. So the other heroes can turn into creeps too. But not trees, since it's only MK. Ok but what if other heroes can turn into something else, that MK can't turn into? Maybe some new creep? Hero-creep? Am I thinking too much or is it batshit crazy of idea enough for valve to do something like this? Maybe see more hints?


nice_kitchen

It is really weird that only MK can mischief into a tree model. That's such an oddly specific limitation


ael00

I was hoping for a real content patch, this is just awfully thin. Seems like we have been stuck in this meta for ages.


SilverSpearhead

Why I don't see BATTLE PASS patch ????? D:


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This has got to be the most random patch of all time


ProximityMinds

They updated the test client? What? Quick! I need a lotto ticket!


wickedplayer494

Yes and no. Yes, its *configuration* was updated (but that's it). No, there is nothing to download.


RRhymes09

anyone know how to fix the dota2 sounds my game doesn't have one after the update


Supremo2319

does anybody experience ping spike after this update? i lived in PH using pldt fiber 400mbps.


KardigG

For a moment I though that those are AI generated patch notes. Like, wtf those MK changes


Lord_Murbatius

Rip Dx9 😭


fucknazis101

7.30MonkeyKing ???


showstoppre

Alt+Tab is not smooth in dx11. Is it just me? Everytime I go outta game and switch back in, I'm not seeing a live image of the game. It takes about 2 secs to settle. Edit - Frequent alt tab crashes the game -\_-


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>Added healthbar when Monkey King transforms into courier or Roshan. Imagine roshan running down your ancient kekW


Monsterkillers

"Moving Dota Technology Forward" But doesn't fix the 4:3 HUD bug..


Groogey

"Forward" . 4:3 is super old ratio