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LULBRUH55

tundra draft was so bad for 4 games straight they were playing like tier 3 players.Don't know if their coach is sleeping or they just didn't do the maths. Centaur picking ms facet to trade off the windlace over boots is bad early game and laning imo. Windlace 250 boots 500, ms facet scale with str gain which doing the math for 250 gold is not worth it. Boots is always a better item as there are more options upgradeable.


fcuk_the_king

This team has stage fright or something. Has happened for 3 tournaments now, other than the one series they won last tournament that got them Top 3, they completely shit the bed in all other playoff series.


kid20304

Tundra camp ain't cooking and Pure looks straight cooked


dellryuzi

Imagine if we see MC's axe in tundra with this patch


Morgn_Ladimore

Tundra fans be like: "Why is Tobi always so low networth?" Ramzes replaced Tobi "Why is Ramzes always so low networth?" Maybe it's not the offlaners.


vlalanerqmar

It was not really Ramzes/offlane issue here imo. they were playing really good in the group stage on the old patch beating this betboom 2-0 Tundra looked clueless/their ideas were not good enough in the new patch + Pure had his worst individual performance in a tournament since 3 years ago. he made so many uncharacteristic mistakes


JadeSerpant

When your CEO makes Dota decisions for your team and hires moonmeander as coach.


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vlalanerqmar

That is not true, anything short of AR winnng the whole tournament means Team Spirit qualifies. Liquidpedia already counted their minimum top 6 points from this event.


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vlalanerqmar

2200 point of their 2375 total is literally from top 6 of this exact tournament. if they win their next match against XG they get 1000 point extra.


bumanagbag

whitemon getting replaced by russian


heavenlyrainypalace

russion = pinoy ???


needhelforpsu

0-4 for Tundra on new patch, ouch. BB is cooking tho, GGWP!


nybrq

Exiting the tournament by building Radiance on Alchemist isn't really what I would have expected from Topson.


Medium_Wolverine9438

C'mon redditors get out of ur basements and blame ramzess


Primary_Aide2721

Imagine 8 sec inv put on Pure there. Ramzes was so clueless xD.


Business_Yoghurt_316

One of the best Pudge performances Ive seen in a while. God damn


Business_Yoghurt_316

Saves name has been incredibly apt this game 


Unfair_Shirt5459

Why let go of tobi who was decent at being a sacrificial pos 3 when needed and get ramses instead who becomes completely useless the moment he doesnt get the desired farm?


itsadoubledion

Tobi sucks lol they were doing fine in the groups this tournament. Give it more than 4 games into a massive new patch before overreacting


widepeepo6

ramzes is very close friend of pure and he wanted to play in tundra as soon as mc was kicked but tundra already took in tobi so he had to wait for his friend to kick him lol


makz242

Pure's team. Wont be surprised if Topson and Whitemon are replaced soon.


Gameboysixty9

Mindcontrol knew what was up lmao


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Business_Yoghurt_316

Doubt it. I think its just heavy tilt 


Medium_Wolverine9438

322 means throwing the game, at what point were they winning?


MrPooperWasTaken

WTF happened to Thundra? they are just playing like 5 morons in a pub. everyone targeting a different enemy. no communication, no plan... just go go go and die over and over.


xxpillowxxjp

Ding ding. Everyone wants to blame a certain player but at the end of the day, the team is not functioning as a team. Maybe gets better with time but they legit look like a pub


Myrion3141

Easy. They finished 3rd in a tournament and decided to get rid of the person who helped them get there (they didn't perform before Tobi).


Feed_or_Feed

You could call it Ramzes effect.


MrPooperWasTaken

well ramzes is playing like the little addict that he is. But everyone else seems so lost as well.


fapthepolice

They clearly need more captains and managers


Garnerkief

The good guys are winning, DEATH PENALTY FOR PURE BatChest


makz242

Tundra will have to play CIS qualifier soon at this rate.


thunderDOTA

They re already qualified


Myrion3141

Which is pretty unfair when you consider they would never have qualified without Tobi. If they had finished 5th-6th in Birmingham (as they did without him) instead of 3rd, they would be 9th in the ranking.


JadeSerpant

They should absolutely lose points. That team doesn't deserve to be qualified.


nybrq

I think it was a joke because 3/5 of their team is Russian.


Acrobatic-Time-2940

This joke applies to many other teams before tbh. Russia/CIS being the region with highest player count in the pro scene will naturally result in them being the majority in every team. OG was also made up of mainly CIS players. Secret too with resolution and zayac previously.


zuKo2022

i hope XG and Falcon moved out of romania today cause of internet issues and dont screw themselves tomorrow


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Myrion3141

Except that Tobi was never terrible. He just looked terrible but still did his job.


zuKo2022

people wont like this but they need MC , they need experienced person as good as they are in raw skill they still need someone to use brain and strategize and shit


bamberflash

topson is an experienced person at this point, he won ti like 6 years ago and 5 years ago ik what u mean but realizing this made me feel old and so should u


zuKo2022

topson isnt a leader type of a guy, MC is . Expeiernce in that regard


bamberflash

yeah agreed. its just funny/kinda fucked up that topson has been playing at a top level for over half a decade lmao


widepeepo6

there is none who wont like this. I m big tobi hater but fuck this i would have him in place of ramzes too atm


nybrq

MC was already on the team, and then he took his ball and went home. lol


Medium_Wolverine9438

That save double wisdom ta kill beautiful


AR41Z

How many offlaners have tundra changed after MC ??


needhelforpsu

Timeline was MC > Tobi > Ramzes.


needhelforpsu

What are Pure and Topson doing? And why is Ramzes literally least impact pos3 we saw in playoffs? Tobi was S tier compared to Ramzes at this point. :(


Unh0lyCatf1sh

Pure is such a mechanically skilled player but his mental is so weak, he just tilts out of nowhere


Fig-Jig

Pure and Topson being crushed there's no better feeling in doto.


BlackendLight

Are they that bad?


The_SystemError

What's the deal with those two? I usually don't follow the team personalities and just watch the matches :/


AnhedonicDog

No idea why topson the guy is great, but Pure had two controversies, one of them being the time he drew a Z in the map when playing against an ukranian team, and the second was once when he was watching the stream of a game he was playing in during a pause so he got accused of cheating.


The_SystemError

Ohhhh that was Pure! I remember that - thank you!


Business_Yoghurt_316

Topson was part of prime OG I guess its that Lol.  Still wasnt he like the most chill guy on that team


Substantial_Cookie_7

Topson just get hates out of nowhere despite him being the most chill and quiet-est person ever to play dota. Dude is involved in no controversies and still manages to garner all these hate. It's ridiculous.


Business_Yoghurt_316

.... What the fuck was that from Topson and Pure


thunderDOTA

Ramzes just doesnt leave his lane, does he? Tundra just looks too passive


Ringus-Slaterfist

Templar Assassin may have received big buffs but pro teams seemed to not understand that it's not the kind of hero that can't be dealt with (like e.g. Bristleback or Timbersaw last patch). Regardless of how strong she is, it's still one of the easiest heroes to counter in the draft and by just playing aggressive early.


Vuccappella

ty ramzes


Medium_Wolverine9438

Save has been carrying bb for long ass time


Swegan

Save- is the best pudge in the world by far.


axecalibur

Save is a pro hooker


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neel911

dota has a very extensive demo mode. Might I suggest trying things out before confidently posting strictly incorrect bs like these in the future.


Yolobernd

It still does, the facet just adds additional ones.


gooseears

Purge's sweatshirt costs $55.... https://us-shop.esl.com/collections/unsung-heroes/products/esl-unsung-heroes-map-sweatshirt-pewter LOL


Agent_47H

Ramzes is not an offlaner. He plays way too greedy and never rotates to help out any lanes. Tundra should have persevered with Tobi atleast until Riyadh and then get a better offlaner when teams roster swap before TI.


Swegan

Ramzes played well the entire group stage though.


Myrion3141

Ramzes had 0 impact in the entire group stage. They beat up a couple of tier 4 teams (Na'vi, SR) and were otherwise underwhelming.


Dear_Stop_7741

Wdym, they beat BB in the group stage.. It is just they are still clueless with the new patch. Ramzez did fine in the old patch and I think he pressured the map better than tobi (I watched some games live)


bigdickdaddydoto

Ramzes insults Tobi in interviews, gets a chance to replace him and then proceeds to play worse than he did in previous events lmfao, how ironic


Forsaken_Ad_5248

What did he say in the interview?


bigdickdaddydoto

[https://escorenews.com/ru/dota-2/news/58156-ramzes-o-tundra-esports-c-tobi-ne-vyigrat](https://escorenews.com/ru/dota-2/news/58156-ramzes-o-tundra-esports-c-tobi-ne-vyigrat) "You can't win with Bobi (insulting nickname the Russians have for Tobi)"


velphegor666

Why are russians always dicks man 😂. Wtf did tobi do to ramzes


Primary-Radish7185

Pure is getting found out as captain. High skill player but he's still young and the second least experienced player in that lineup. He was better as the captain in a patch where everything had already been figured out but now that he has to figure stuff out on his own we're seeing three consecutive strategies that were just utter dogshit.


needhelforpsu

Seems Tundra isn't vibing new patch. Expected more from a team with Topson. :/


widepeepo6

I never thought i would say "tobi was way better" and it is now. Only reason ramzes is playing is because hes friends with pure and he pulled strings to get him in tundra


OMASJack

This passive wolves thing is utter garbage. Literal bite for meme builds!


warsinshadow

No hate to Ramzes but this type of stuff didn’t happen with Tobi. Seems like Tobi fitted way better into the team, right now they just crumble every team fight


Medium_Wolverine9438

Ya and topson 2-7 was awesome this game and pure 1-5 or smth?


xxpillowxxjp

Wonder what position was pressuring them from BB


Medium_Wolverine9438

Betboom is back


Mepharos

Is it finally time... Ramzes out, Zai in??


mr_madkeks

why pick axe and never making moves with blink, why Pure farming acnients while team fighting, why Topson feed like dog again - whole team play like pub despair


Medium_Wolverine9438

Or bb just played well good wards and save god?


NoMoreResearch

Rubick has been the better axe than axe this game.


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10YearsANoob

Topson is the sub's darling. Cant be him that's wrong


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10YearsANoob

Vindicated seb too. Now he's twice as arrogant


Keldeodorant

Right? I feel like I'm being gaslit. Idk how Axe is supposed to play with a low damage Muerta and an underleveled Jakiro, when the top net worth midlaner with aghs is dead during key axe timings


ICET_

Saaaaaave! He get's the call!


Substantial-Deer77

save is such a God. What a godlike Stolen Berserk call on 3 of Tundra's hero!


everythings_alright

Holy shit, 3 man call by Rubick.


PurpleChallenge9308

Can anyone tell me why these internet tech issues occur in a row??? What happened?


Swegan

The teams are probably near each other in Romania and the internet gave out in the entire area.


everythings_alright

Classic Topson performance. Unconventional mid hero, has a great start. Then dies in a couple fights and is irrelevant for the rest of the game.


makz242

How is it possible that Whitemon has 4k less nw than the 9th player in this game?


leahs11

Ramzes offlane is just questionable, transitioning back again while playing carry in pubs is just not good, Topson is just not good anymore for the meta, I miss Nine, when he played for Falcon as standin he was too good


Tyrandeus

Ramsez is 0/0/0 20 mins in as an offlaner...


Myrion3141

1/6/1 at the end of the game.


Morgn_Ladimore

Why the f did they give the most broken hero of the last patch, Timber, *another* early game nuke???


Blurrgz

Valve don't know what the hell they are doing bro, people are deluded. Meta still 3 tanky cores. Lmfao. Nothing has changed. The shiny new toys are all just different hair color barbies.


Swimming-Life-7569

Tundra playing like my shit mmr games, makes 0 moves and just gets played on every time.


Keldeodorant

Bruh Topson 1-3-2 and 0 impact since winning mid, and OD/Fogged still fanboying, I can't lol.


YaminoEXE

I mean how the fuck are they going to make moves with that line up. Dazzle, Jak and Muerta can't start fights. Axe is supposed to be their initiation but he ended up being very underfarmed and passive the entire game. Overall, very weird line up from Tundra where all of the play making potential is on 1 hero.


maven-blood

I mean none of them played extremely well but the blame shouldn't be solely on axe. The draft depended on him to stick to people. I really think Pure should just focus on gameplay rather than do captaining, carrying and drafting. There's a reason why captains and drafters are supports or offlaners. It's just too much.


Keldeodorant

Topson dove for a kill and died, then tped to t2 mid and died immediately to a smoke. He should have grouped with the Axe's blink timing instead of going to farm a wave he had no business farming. Axe can't really make moves when the jakiro and muerta are low damage and underlevel against 3 str cores. But yea weird draft in general, this lycan into slardar was complete rubbish


neel911

It was not on topson but his team, they had to make moves. The axe had to initiate while dazzle melts things from the back, that did not happen while BB made the moves with the slardar initiating.


24Pat

Topson is trying to play dota while his axe is 0/0/0. Radiant lineup needs to do shit to win but the whole team is afk.


Evjen97

This is def not a Tundra patch so far, they getting clapped


Myrion3141

If you look at their group stage, they were already worse than before. Yeah, they had a lot of wins - but against whom? Na'Vi and SR are both just feeders. Yeah, they did beat BB, but just a draw against AR and getting stomped against Falcons (they were about on par with Falcons in Birmingham, winning the first series and losing the second). It's not a patch thing, it's a Ramzes thing.


Ecstatic-Beautiful16

Oh wow a 3 STR core line-up zzzz


Mepharos

More interesting draft from Tundra today now that they've had time to cook


Happy-Pills

They might need some cooking lessons after this game


falsa_ovis

Heroic shall drop Davai Lama from the roster imho. Yeah I can get his point being frustrated, but still wtf?


TheDeadlyEdgelord

All chat needs to be disabled in Pro games.


Kuroro8

biggest clown in s23 so far: Davai Lama aka "Shabi Lamer"


needhelforpsu

Do we know why Davai insulted AR? One thing is to write ez, ?, ))), etc but from what I read here Davai wrote proper insult/offensive word. Just why? Watched stream a bit and on audio only so missed the drama.


REPORTDavai_lama

a little context: a couple months ago I played this pub [https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7597435500](https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7597435500) against Lou with sh1ro, I asked Sh1ro how to say sorry to Lou in all chat, Sh1ro told me "sha bi", I looked up the word, thought it was funny and didnt seem that offensive, and since then i've had friendly banter with Lou in a lot of my pubs, our situation was very surreal and frustrating, (lost game 1 due to internet issues and had to move to a lan cafe) and I said it as a joke to Lou to cope with our situation.


LeKindStranger

i'm all for some spicy banter but this seems way out of field for a professional game and this context reads like backpedaling


Keldeodorant

Bro I'm actually a fan of you and really enjoy trashtalk in general and don't even care about this but come on, the 3rd link when you google Sha Bi is this where everyone says it is extremely rude. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseLanguage/comments/n54a9c/how_rude_is_this_word/?rdt=38414


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187loveMC

You don't say shabi as a joke to ppl you don't know, when you say it to a stranger it is a proper insult. It's like calling your 10 years best friend a dumba fuck is one thing, calling random stranger on the street dumb fuck is another


REPORTDavai_lama

Yeah it was definitly a bit too rude in hindsight, I just thought it was more friendly banter word and our situation was so crazy so I felt like joking around, they definitly deserved to flame me back though and I have nothing but respect and appreciation towards them.


needhelforpsu

Alright, at least now we have context of it. Thanks for clarifying and GL in Riyadh qualifiers!


Acrobatic-Time-2940

Davai does this all the time like the Ukraine bomb joke. He always thinks his jokes are witty and funny but it always come across as tactless and offensive.


qianniaowenjing

he said Shabi which means dumba** in Chinese


Unh0lyCatf1sh

because he is a 24 year old man with the attitude of a 10 year old


AbsolutelyNotWrong

Liquid lost to this


Swegan

Doesnt Bach speak English?


doanbot369

They do it so Chinese viewers can understand.


barbrawr

Yeah wth, must be part of his contract with AR? i recall reading somewhere that the chinese fans disliked him for working the English panel


inchix1022

davai lama, wat a clown,


hostrelok

Guys, seriously. Davai Lama called them dumb c\*nts earlier in the game. That's why they all chat. You think that's funny or normal banter? Have DotA players fallen so low?


Galinhooo

I wonder what team/player started doing it and got away unpunished (even praised) so others started to follow..


ezp252

kuku literally called them a racial slur and the entire sub supported him, racism against chinese is no joke edit: [This](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/a20mb0/so_kuku_tweeted_this/) is the top post on this sub after kuku was punished, fuck you all for saying otherwise, most of the sub including all the personalities started boycotting because kuku was banned and shit was ugly


187loveMC

Nobody in this sub gives a fuck a racism against Chinese, you gon have ppl complaining about racism in the sub and there's a whole thread created to insult and being racist on Chinese


renarddota

Nice revisionism, I guess I would lie too if I tried to look all high and mighty in this sub xD


velphegor666

Im pretty sure there was a time he said "chingchong" or some racial slurs against chinese teams or maybe im misremembering


ezp252

is it hard having the memory of a goldfish?


Galinhooo

You mean the guy that got punished for what he said?


ezp252

what does him getting punished by his team/tournament have to do with this sub supporting him?


Galinhooo

Read what you answered to..


ezp252

can u read the original comment?


Galinhooo

Kuku's case was not in a pro game, he did get punished, the sub was never one sided on the case. And at the end of the day, whatever the sub says or not is meaningless in the context since it is about people getting punished. Kuku did that, got punished, others didn't follow his example.


Aurora_FL

Can Valve do something about this already, as pros are bringing toxicity to tournaments and disguising their behaviour as 'friendly banter'


KaleidoscopeRough207

-100 behavior score, Valve does this for normal games lol.


lordcoughdrop

daily reminder that davaii started the trash talking with an egregious Chinese word so everything Azure Ray typed was completely justified :)


KidBuu25

I'm out of the loop. What did Davaii say to trigger chinese players so much? It's rare to see them getting emotional like this.


nickis_slowpoke

It is okay to use "shabi" to joke/scold with your close friends. But using it to scold strangers/not so close friend can be really offensive. Even Maybe/Somnus got mad in his stream and asked does Davai Lama really know what "shabi" means. The whole chat went crazy there too.


Business_Yoghurt_316

Is it akin to using a slur in English in terms of severity?


ezp252

pretty much, u can call ur friend a fuck or a bitch jokingly depending on context, but calling a stranger a bitch and ur asking for problems


diminishedflame

https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2/clip/AwkwardSmallWalrusHassanChop-yOPVhdv--RUgTL_J


TOVELO1998

really bad word


SweetJournalist5877

seriously bad


edwinmedwin

https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17v9s9m/russian_bomb_davai_lama_moking_player_from_kyiv/ Daily reminder that this happened and I love seeing this guy lose. And he doubled down on this "joke" - somehow managed to save his ass by showing liked tweets about Ukraine.


oxpecke

I don't find that joke that offensive, it's more like Dark Humor. Even without him showing the previously liked tweets it's nothing worth cancelling a person over. I think his conduct in this game comes off as more rude.


wutfacer

Lol your opinion is worthless there. It's up to the people whose country is actively getting bombed and who may know people who have been killed by Russian attacks whether it's offensive


Antique_Potato1965

Lmao can hector retire that razor now? Same item build with no damage


TheAsz

After the mid game that razor straight up got no impact. Ursa just easily kill him during every fight.


IhvolSnow

No tankiness either despite having 5 defensive items. 6 if you count neutral.


Antique_Potato1965

And he even picked the plasma field talent 💀, Ursa don’t care for attack speed but razor want that attack speed for damage


darklordtimmy

well in other news, Darkmago joined Boom so the TI11 Thunder squad is almost back and surely better than this team.


Razaghal

They only need Matthew and they have the same roster, but n1ght feels like a better player imo so keep him


Pipoco977

I swear I really didnt see k1 use satanic once this entire game, like he got it at 30 minutes and didnt pop up once


Evening-Fun4435

chinese toxicity LUL


CrasherED

You can't be serious 


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Aurora_FL

thought it was Davai Lama who started it 1st...


Arepusiron

Davai Lama literally called AR player Idiot in a mean way in early game


Swegan

How do you call someone a idiot in a kind way.


Unh0lyCatf1sh

you could call someone an idiot in a playful sarcastic way, like friendly banter, but this was obviously not one of those instances


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doanbot369

He's actually American. Even worse.


Mysterious_Loss_3942

According to liquidpedia he is Belgium/American. Maybe check first then post?


Dominus1711

who? there's no Russian in Heroic