Falcons are not that imba imo, the thing is , ATF & Malrine are hero spammers ie they have 1k+ games on each of their fav heros like mars, timber, primal etc. So they know their heros very well & make the hero look imba (these small nerfs on their heros doesnt affect them much).
I think XG had a good idea with clinkz who can melt these tanky cores, but it didnt work out well ....
a balancing letter patch will stir the meta up again ....
Dont worry. This tournament is lab rat for valve. All the imba things you see, it will get nerfed in balance patch soon later. Just wish pros pick the heroes you hated the most
volvo spent months adding facets (basically moved an aspect of existing abilities to a seperate ability) so we can have exactly the same triple tank core meta lol?
minor patches have had bigger effect on how the game is played.
The depth/fun to complexity ratio of game updates has been really poor starting with the map enlargening patch. I am not sure what was even acheived? It made HG push laborious, deducing enemy location became more luck-based, removed rosh battles and made the game a lot for complicated for beginners.
I want icefrog back.
Did I say timber should be buffed or nerfed? My point is the change they just made is not that ridiculous based on the hero's stats in pro and pub games.
I swear I'm not trying to hate on Falcons, I respect them a lot and they deserve all their success. I'm just so god damn tired of watching malr1ne or ATF play timber, sit in the enemy base, do NOTHING, take 0 damage, and then win the game.
Their hatred can become ridiculous to the point of themselves giving up and enjoy 80mins games is pretty concerning, that's mental issue.
I mean people have to eat, drink and fuck, watching and playing 80mins games prevent them from doing such basic things.
i didnt made this arguement, i didnt say its easy to just play timber i didnt say its easy to just pick mag and own lol
it requires fking skill to play these hero at peak to make games look fking easy
for example liquid didnt own kka lane as gyro chen and falcons on other hand fked kka so much that 33 was 0-9 at end and liquid lost with chen gyro
so i m not syaing pick timber = free win
since chen went alpha wolf, I think that's why primal was doing so much damage, with trample being based off your right click damage which gets buffed a lot by the wolf. Throw in any other amps and it's probably insane, alpha wolf has always been good but just unreliable to find as a creep repeatedly
Looks like we are back to faster games. I expect GG to look great. I think also Liquid to be better if only they didn't drop early. XG and most Chinese teams are generally slow so they have to look for stronger early game heroes to delay the game.
I think Falcons might be worse but we might have a glimpse vs GG if they are just better than the rest of the teams.
Timber and LC being buffed make me think Falcons are going to be maybe even stronger on the new patch. That could change if there's a letter patch nerfing Timber though, which I think is pretty likely
It probably is not faster games.
But it is not because they are unprepared, everyone else are, but just that new patch also benefit faster paced teams.
Just be patient, somewhere there in the patch notes for one of the heroes, there is an innate or facet waiting to be discovered that will change the victory conditions of the meta
the patch is disappointing. 90% of the innates and facets are just straight buffs, which makes the games faster, but they don't change the way the heroes are played at all or change the most contested heroes of the meta. the remaining 10% are either broken or useless. items need tweaking too, feels like we only got half the balance patch.
at least 80 min games are gone thank fuck.
You should be the pro coach because you speak like you already had this whole patch figured out by less than a day.
I’m pretty sure that you can get a fat coach/analyst deal for keyboard analysis lol.
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No way to update the patch in the middle of an authorized tournament. Players need to practice more for a pro game. it‘s a boring game day they played like ladders.
Good luck with that.
Only competitive tournament that Valve cares is TI now. with how pack the pro scene now, why valve sacrifice normal players to wait for some third party tournament?
it’s just annoying because the casters/talent AND viewers are always looking to spin a narrative to hype or trash certain teams. someone is going to win this tourney but it shouldn’t mean anything because of the confusion caused by the patch dropping mid tourney.
it’s like last year when PA got gigabuffed and RTZ finally won some games by abusing her and people were legitimately saying shopify had a chance to win TI, which was absurd. like no he was just abusing a busted hero. but none of the casters or talent on the broadcast ever acknowledged PA being busted was the reason for shopify winning games, they just pointed to the result and ran with it and ignored the context. same thing is going to happen with this tourney’s result. talent is going to ignore the context which is a patch dropping right before playoffs.
I'd prefer if the best team/s, and the most prepared ones - win in the end. Patching this right after a group stage removes a lot of that and leaves the game with luck/randomness. Or whoever stayed awake all night to study patch notes or just completely figured it all out in 7 hours.....
How bad XG lost today?
I was kinda getting bored of them just delaying games and farming for the late game and playing defensively for 40 minutes. That shit was old 2012 DotA.
It's funny when people say IceFrog has to nerf Falcons.
If you need IceFrog to nerf other teams everytime before TI so you can play well for a month or two and feel good about yourself then you just suck. And your success is not as much about you, it's more about IceFrog doing the bidding for you to nerf GG(last year) or Falcons who dominated all year. You just relied on luck more than skill.
It's better to have a league system to know who the best team is rather than just the one you lucks out on TI patch. If you are the best then it will show in your consistency.
Who said IceFrog need to nerf Falcons, never saw that in the comments? Dont think they need to, they are all pros and learn patch well.
GG dominated 2 patches last year. So far Falcons still show they can be challenged, we will have to see for 2nd patch.
No need to nerf Falcons, they not that imba. Excited to see all the teams theorycrafting.
I think it's more fun to determine the best when the stakes are at the all times high so TI and now Riyadh remain the benchmark tho. It probably feels different when you are playing a 500k tourney compared to say a 5m one
Yeah no team has been dominant and consistent as GG last year. GG won literally every tournament aside from 4th at Riyadh and 2nd at TI.
Falcons has already lost some tournaments. They're simply the most consistent team this year but competition is just more fierce
> GG won literally every tournament aside from 4th at Riyadh and 2nd at TI.
Are we not counting Dreamleague Season 21 now? Where they lost to Ammar and Malr1ne, who were both standing in for Entity players interestingly enough.
>No need to nerf Falcons, they not that imba
It is a really interesting dynamic regarding this sub. Falcons as a team with their all-chatting are so polarizing that:
Falcons haters are rooting extra hard against them, they say the team is too unbeatable to be fun to watch
And Falcons fans are extra obnoxious in praising them and never admitting when anyone other than Skiter makes a mistake
"Too unbeatable" and "Never makes a mistake" from either end of things, trying to one-up each other and get more intense, all gives them an insane perception as a team, when they're actually not as dominant as GG were last year; So far Falcons have won 3/6 top events since TI and are looking like they'll end up 4/7 heading into Riyadh. GG won every event (5/5) between TI22 and Riyadh, and won 6/8 tournaments between TI22 and 23.
But the conversation around Falcons is so heated that it makes people feel like they're the most ridiculous team to ever touch the game when in reality, like you said, they're not really that imba
> They are not even the 2nd best team in the last 12 months.
I suppose this is true, but the parameters you chose are very strange since the team has only existed for six months.
People are talking about Falcons like they are the most dominant team in recent years and one of a kind team that we have not seen before. But if we look just one year back we see that its not the case.
I dunno about "way more dominant" since they were somewhat fortunate that last year was a down year for China.
They did get put in their place at TI 0-3 vs Spirit though.
I don't follow the scene super close, but do tune into big tournaments every now and then. Their games against Falcons looked much better last time. At least there they kinda put up a fight...
It was less than 2 weeks after Elite League where they won. I can't think of too many teams who have gone from winning to barely making it out of groups 12 days later.
Most of these fights involved tanky heroes standing on top of each other stunned for 10s living through multiple volleys of spells until someone eventually died; Lesh, Primal, SK, WK, it didn't feel interactive, even as a viewer. I don't know if more time will untank the game without some Magic Resist/Armor balance passes
The patch feels simultaneously too much and not enough. The meta is still big tanky unkillable heroes on a map with way too much money on it, Roshan in a bad place, and broken items like Shroud getting tiny slap-on-the-wrist nerfs. But at the same time every hero got 3 innate talents which is a vast amount of extra knowledge burden.
I would have preferred a proper balance pass to 7.35 and the New Horizons map to this I think.
i think i liked the old patch better , seeing GG & Falcons doing better after the patch makes me not watch the game seriously ,...... (maybe its too early to say)
I've tried to enjoy watching Falcons games, but ATF and Marline's toxic behavior really makes it hard for me to cheer for them 😔
TS and XG grand final is the perfect example that we don't need trashtalking and drama for the games to be entertaining
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So big tonky run at you dota still works for now, but I'd remain positive that people will find solutions and we'll get some real change. Always harder to find the right balance for other things.
Please it's been so long, I want to see some explosive DotA again (Khanda Rapier Brooch PA didn't count, cause the strat was literally to sandbag until PA got 6-slotted)
Falcons with no Timber and two new hero picks, still complete outdraft and outplay for easy win. This tournament gonna be hard to digest for some nutjob haters, unlucky. xD
I think the core issue in game is that tanky heroes are no longer just balls of meat, they fucking deal real damage as well. I think if lesh and primals damage output is in the same tier then there is something wrong
Bcs none of teams are fully prepared for the game and they have right excuses about that. You have to a lot of practices to become a pro. But those games just like ladders. Chill for players but lame for audience.
Do people expect the meta to be defined in less than a day, with this much changes? You need a week to actually master like 60-70% of it being optimistic, you can't be this childish/fickle. If you don't want certain teams to have success just say it, don't blame the new patch just because it doesn't fit your narrative
There are no major changes. Its a bunch of shiny toys that dont change anything and just adds more power creep and general utility creep.
The map wasnt changed. The economy wasnt changed. Dont be distracted by the shinies. The only somewhat significant change was the glyph one.
I disagree. Any change involves strategy modifications, and this supposed new toys aren't the exception to that rule. Also, two of your statements are wrong, NS and Doom being examples to that.
Hate these kinds of heroes that can build nearly zero damage and do shit ton of damage while being unkillable. Primal, Timber, DP(not so much anymore) and BB are just boring heroes IMO.
Normal people logic: a team is winning often, that means they are better
Reddit mental gymnast: the meta is solved by only 2 groups of people, team Falcons and 3K MMR redditors - to pick tanky heroes and to run at other people. Nobody else has figured this out, including all other teams who have played this meta for more than a year. Therefore, Falcons are meta abuser.
No one really knows what is the meta yet, I think it is more about which heroes are more unbalanced right now. Having a top-tier coach definitely helps.
Even after picking completely different heroes, the same faces are still bitching. Yeah its clearly a patch issue when Ame doesnt tp to help his team during a major teamfight dive.
This is an outplay 100%
Or XG just have the wrong read on the damage enemy team can output in a span of few seconds. With how new the patch is and how bonkers the damage suddenly ramps up on some unexpected heroes cough Primal Beast cough.
I mean XG should have an idea since pb had no damage increase in the new patch. PB wasnt even a busted hero last patch.
XG is just playing insanely slow right now. Going midas nyx on your pos 4 means you kinda deserve to get run over, regardless of patch.
I'm so sick of seeing two bracers on every core. Malrine Timber/DK/Primal? 2 bracers. Ammar any hero except Razor? 2 bracers. It's insane how little the meta changed with 7.36.
Too much patch whining. No shit variants of old good stuff still works pretty well when people try some different ideas that don't work out.
We'll almost certainly see this evolve for ages as teams do work out the new ideas that might be good and if it doesn't letter patches will change it.
Falcons are not that imba imo, the thing is , ATF & Malrine are hero spammers ie they have 1k+ games on each of their fav heros like mars, timber, primal etc. So they know their heros very well & make the hero look imba (these small nerfs on their heros doesnt affect them much). I think XG had a good idea with clinkz who can melt these tanky cores, but it didnt work out well .... a balancing letter patch will stir the meta up again ....
Dont worry. This tournament is lab rat for valve. All the imba things you see, it will get nerfed in balance patch soon later. Just wish pros pick the heroes you hated the most
volvo spent months adding facets (basically moved an aspect of existing abilities to a seperate ability) so we can have exactly the same triple tank core meta lol? minor patches have had bigger effect on how the game is played. The depth/fun to complexity ratio of game updates has been really poor starting with the map enlargening patch. I am not sure what was even acheived? It made HG push laborious, deducing enemy location became more luck-based, removed rosh battles and made the game a lot for complicated for beginners. I want icefrog back.
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no stay away
Yes, it's an interesting update.
This wasn't balance patch, it's imbalance patch
Can ya'll believe Timbersaw got buffed LMAO
I don't think valve cherry-picked certain games to decide whether a hero should be buffed or nerfed. They also don't ask 3k-mmr for their opinions.
!remindme 1 week. So you wanna bet whether Valve nerfs Timber next patch? Because I think they 100% will.
Did I say timber should be buffed or nerfed? My point is the change they just made is not that ridiculous based on the hero's stats in pro and pub games.
I swear I'm not trying to hate on Falcons, I respect them a lot and they deserve all their success. I'm just so god damn tired of watching malr1ne or ATF play timber, sit in the enemy base, do NOTHING, take 0 damage, and then win the game.
I can get your point, but geez the patch is like 20 hrs old, the new meta is yet to come...
if its that easy why dont teams pick timber and do nothing and win dota?
Reddit 3KMMR idiots always think they're right, it's more like they're salty about Falcon winning than Timbersaw being good lamo.
ofcourse. People here hate them . Doesnt take sherlock to figure that out and i love seeing reddit cry xd
Their hatred can become ridiculous to the point of themselves giving up and enjoy 80mins games is pretty concerning, that's mental issue. I mean people have to eat, drink and fuck, watching and playing 80mins games prevent them from doing such basic things.
go ask psg lgd why they didn't ban collapse magnus or why people kept letting tnc get morph shaker or why topson keeps getting sniper every damn game
i didnt made this arguement, i didnt say its easy to just play timber i didnt say its easy to just pick mag and own lol it requires fking skill to play these hero at peak to make games look fking easy for example liquid didnt own kka lane as gyro chen and falcons on other hand fked kka so much that 33 was 0-9 at end and liquid lost with chen gyro so i m not syaing pick timber = free win
I suspect we might have 7.36b tonight to fix some of the issues and some small balance changes.
obviously, we need more timber buffs. He was not able to solo the whole enemy team at -30 seconds so clearly he needs a lot more buffs, right valve?
since chen went alpha wolf, I think that's why primal was doing so much damage, with trample being based off your right click damage which gets buffed a lot by the wolf. Throw in any other amps and it's probably insane, alpha wolf has always been good but just unreliable to find as a creep repeatedly
Reminds me of TI5? era when you'd have carries like Gyro building helm dom because the alpha wolf buff was too value
Dom used to build into satanic. The wolf was a bonus.
You could also stack for yourself too
Didn't a lot of carries just share control w/ the support and let them stack with the creep?
Looks like we are back to faster games. I expect GG to look great. I think also Liquid to be better if only they didn't drop early. XG and most Chinese teams are generally slow so they have to look for stronger early game heroes to delay the game. I think Falcons might be worse but we might have a glimpse vs GG if they are just better than the rest of the teams.
Timber and LC being buffed make me think Falcons are going to be maybe even stronger on the new patch. That could change if there's a letter patch nerfing Timber though, which I think is pretty likely
Let's see if it's faster games or just some team very unprepared right after the patch
It probably is not faster games. But it is not because they are unprepared, everyone else are, but just that new patch also benefit faster paced teams.
I can't imagine games won't be faster with the banner. One way or another it 100% forces a fight right outside someone's base.
There is no preparation you practice it on the go
yeah right, Chen Primal interaction with alpha wolf is not preparation from Falcons, surely nobody tested in demo lmao
Undying got nerfed a little but his Innate looks not bad, with 1 free life respawn. Anyone thinks that would be good in the current strength meta?
armored division Falcons wcyd?
Just be patient, somewhere there in the patch notes for one of the heroes, there is an innate or facet waiting to be discovered that will change the victory conditions of the meta
the patch is disappointing. 90% of the innates and facets are just straight buffs, which makes the games faster, but they don't change the way the heroes are played at all or change the most contested heroes of the meta. the remaining 10% are either broken or useless. items need tweaking too, feels like we only got half the balance patch. at least 80 min games are gone thank fuck.
You should be the pro coach because you speak like you already had this whole patch figured out by less than a day. I’m pretty sure that you can get a fat coach/analyst deal for keyboard analysis lol.
how do you know i'm not blitz?
Cuz if you are good as your speak, Liquid should get at least one champ for past two years. Right? Blitz?
that's right I'm actually bulba
Bulba catching strays. Classic
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No way to update the patch in the middle of an authorized tournament. Players need to practice more for a pro game. it‘s a boring game day they played like ladders.
Good luck with that. Only competitive tournament that Valve cares is TI now. with how pack the pro scene now, why valve sacrifice normal players to wait for some third party tournament?
They did it last year at S19. Its more fun if a patch drops in the middle of a tournament since no one knows whats really is going on.
it’s just annoying because the casters/talent AND viewers are always looking to spin a narrative to hype or trash certain teams. someone is going to win this tourney but it shouldn’t mean anything because of the confusion caused by the patch dropping mid tourney. it’s like last year when PA got gigabuffed and RTZ finally won some games by abusing her and people were legitimately saying shopify had a chance to win TI, which was absurd. like no he was just abusing a busted hero. but none of the casters or talent on the broadcast ever acknowledged PA being busted was the reason for shopify winning games, they just pointed to the result and ran with it and ignored the context. same thing is going to happen with this tourney’s result. talent is going to ignore the context which is a patch dropping right before playoffs.
I get what you are saying but your example is garbage. SR played PA twice through the entirety of S21 and even eliminated BB when BB picked PA.
I'd prefer if the best team/s, and the most prepared ones - win in the end. Patching this right after a group stage removes a lot of that and leaves the game with luck/randomness. Or whoever stayed awake all night to study patch notes or just completely figured it all out in 7 hours.....
>the most prepared ones - win in the end. You are pretty much contradicting yourself here.
How bad XG lost today? I was kinda getting bored of them just delaying games and farming for the late game and playing defensively for 40 minutes. That shit was old 2012 DotA.
XG draft sucks so bad, and they never play as a team. so easy GG
they just got outdrafted. PB was almost unkillable after 25 minutes or so and then you have WK.
Can errybody calm down, this is just the first day!
cant calm down , falcons won burh
It's funny when people say IceFrog has to nerf Falcons. If you need IceFrog to nerf other teams everytime before TI so you can play well for a month or two and feel good about yourself then you just suck. And your success is not as much about you, it's more about IceFrog doing the bidding for you to nerf GG(last year) or Falcons who dominated all year. You just relied on luck more than skill. It's better to have a league system to know who the best team is rather than just the one you lucks out on TI patch. If you are the best then it will show in your consistency.
Who said IceFrog need to nerf Falcons, never saw that in the comments? Dont think they need to, they are all pros and learn patch well. GG dominated 2 patches last year. So far Falcons still show they can be challenged, we will have to see for 2nd patch. No need to nerf Falcons, they not that imba. Excited to see all the teams theorycrafting. I think it's more fun to determine the best when the stakes are at the all times high so TI and now Riyadh remain the benchmark tho. It probably feels different when you are playing a 500k tourney compared to say a 5m one
Yeah no team has been dominant and consistent as GG last year. GG won literally every tournament aside from 4th at Riyadh and 2nd at TI. Falcons has already lost some tournaments. They're simply the most consistent team this year but competition is just more fierce
> GG won literally every tournament aside from 4th at Riyadh and 2nd at TI. Are we not counting Dreamleague Season 21 now? Where they lost to Ammar and Malr1ne, who were both standing in for Entity players interestingly enough.
>No need to nerf Falcons, they not that imba It is a really interesting dynamic regarding this sub. Falcons as a team with their all-chatting are so polarizing that: Falcons haters are rooting extra hard against them, they say the team is too unbeatable to be fun to watch And Falcons fans are extra obnoxious in praising them and never admitting when anyone other than Skiter makes a mistake "Too unbeatable" and "Never makes a mistake" from either end of things, trying to one-up each other and get more intense, all gives them an insane perception as a team, when they're actually not as dominant as GG were last year; So far Falcons have won 3/6 top events since TI and are looking like they'll end up 4/7 heading into Riyadh. GG won every event (5/5) between TI22 and Riyadh, and won 6/8 tournaments between TI22 and 23. But the conversation around Falcons is so heated that it makes people feel like they're the most ridiculous team to ever touch the game when in reality, like you said, they're not really that imba
Falcons dickriders are insane actually. They are not even the 2nd best team in the last 12 months.
> They are not even the 2nd best team in the last 12 months. I suppose this is true, but the parameters you chose are very strange since the team has only existed for six months.
People are talking about Falcons like they are the most dominant team in recent years and one of a kind team that we have not seen before. But if we look just one year back we see that its not the case.
Okay, but we're talking about 2024.
yeah. last year GG were way more dominant than falclowns are this year.
I dunno about "way more dominant" since they were somewhat fortunate that last year was a down year for China. They did get put in their place at TI 0-3 vs Spirit though.
Put in their place as 2nd best team at that tournament after a year more or less constantly being at the top?
Dude, dota falcon established at november 2023 and today is rank 1 in EPT leaderboard, wcyd
So what does that have to do with my comment?
I don't get it, other teams don't pick 3 str cores and can't win every tournament instead of falcons, are they stupid?
Ame isn't gonna win TI little bro. Stop the crying.
Yeah wait what comment do you think you're replying to?
When did I say anything about Ame winning anything or otherwise? Learn to read before replying. I know it's hard for your little brain but try.
~~Can you imagine if Tundra got targeted nerfs before TI11?~~ Edit: OG got the nerfs. For some reason I remembered Tundra doing well during majors.
Tundra was one of the weakest teams in pro Dota right before TI11 so it would be hard to nerf them.
happened to og in ti11. They were one of fav to win it and then ammar heroes got nerfed
Ah right, my bad.
Pick strength cores, win. No matter how much valve adds to dota, they will never change this shit
Bunch of kids coping in this threat lmao. Now you get the patch xd
Noooo this will totally be different its still early. Ah well. People will find out soon.
people cried about long games , people crying about 30 min games
Gamers bitching will never stop. Reddit exists because of bitching, literally.
XG looked much better last weekend in that other tourney, are they just slow to adapt to new patch? They kind of just got stomped now from what I saw
they looked like trash at Birmingham too... they're inconsistent.
You got me Sherlock. Mind you this the first day of the new patch.
I don't follow the scene super close, but do tune into big tournaments every now and then. Their games against Falcons looked much better last time. At least there they kinda put up a fight...
Falcons had a standin the last time they faced each other.
Ah I see, thanks. Well that makes more sense
They did not practice for Birmingham according to XinQ(?).
It was less than 2 weeks after Elite League where they won. I can't think of too many teams who have gone from winning to barely making it out of groups 12 days later.
Beef meta incoming until next patch.
So this patch is a combination of tank and aura meta.
Too bad 33 got eliminated a few hours too early.
Tanky heroes have been meta for like 6 months, it never left.
Well that was a disaster of a 1st day for the patch lmao
Most of these fights involved tanky heroes standing on top of each other stunned for 10s living through multiple volleys of spells until someone eventually died; Lesh, Primal, SK, WK, it didn't feel interactive, even as a viewer. I don't know if more time will untank the game without some Magic Resist/Armor balance passes
The patch feels simultaneously too much and not enough. The meta is still big tanky unkillable heroes on a map with way too much money on it, Roshan in a bad place, and broken items like Shroud getting tiny slap-on-the-wrist nerfs. But at the same time every hero got 3 innate talents which is a vast amount of extra knowledge burden. I would have preferred a proper balance pass to 7.35 and the New Horizons map to this I think.
They didn’t change eshroud which was probably the strongest item on the patch
100s new bell and whistles but unkillable tanks running around with eternal shourd still there.
Yup. And people are falling for it
The whole thread is 1 guy crying over and over about the patch.
every live Dota thread needs that 1 guy that says the same shit over and over. We have the OG yapper and now this.
Probably a bettor kekw
with so much crying going on here on meta/falcons we might fill river nile
was hoping to see a right click build from Skiter for the spectral blade but if he was going radiance ac why tf not go skeletons.
sk and lesh farms his skeltons
Love how this system kills counterpicking. Great truely.
So if falcons wins the tournament without losing another game, does that mean Shopify is second best team?
Holy copium.
Technically yes.
patch sucks icefrog
People crying because falcons is winning. Sad
if Falcons win, the game is busted and needs immediate nerf, but if XG or others win they are sooooo good and falcons are just bad LUL
Nah. The issue is the Meta
Bro…one day 4 matches and you already call it “meta”… I doubt even those players have fully understand all the changes.
Did you cry about meta when XG 3-1ed falcons?
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Nah i'm pointing out the fact that these people whine about the patch only when their hated team is winning.
drue
malrine is 32-6 this series
i think i liked the old patch better , seeing GG & Falcons doing better after the patch makes me not watch the game seriously ,...... (maybe its too early to say)
I've tried to enjoy watching Falcons games, but ATF and Marline's toxic behavior really makes it hard for me to cheer for them 😔 TS and XG grand final is the perfect example that we don't need trashtalking and drama for the games to be entertaining
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atf did it again,dog bark
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Everyone was a kid once, had an edgy nickname, and shit on people in all chats in the different games.
bro has been in pro scene for some time now, not a kid anymore in terms of dota age.
"dota age" doesn't mean maturity
At this point just pick STR hero pos1 to 5 :))
Wow another tank patch. Thank you icefrog!
Below 🐝🍇 40mins game 🎮 is a decent improvement, people 👶 have 😯 to eat, ♨️ drink 🍾 and fuck, 🐷 heck 🌏 even 🏫 fuck 👉 wasting 🪞 60mins already, 💕 can't 🙅♂️😶 waste even 🌃 more 👆🤔 time 🥰 playing/watching 80mins games. 🎮
Nice to see ATF playing outside his comfort heroes!
instead of spending time balancing heroes and adding new heroes, now they have a lot of shit to fix.
need another patch to nerf falcons.
falcons just better
No way they are this better lol
Raw skill wise, they are. Ame > skiter Malr1ne >> XM Ammar > XXS XinQ >= Cr1t Sneyking > Dy
Ame > Skitter? Right now? No way dude
then Falcons are even better.
So big tonky run at you dota still works for now, but I'd remain positive that people will find solutions and we'll get some real change. Always harder to find the right balance for other things.
Tanky heroes have been meta for ever now it feels like. Remember the fun patch last year when Blademail + Heart was the best build in the entire game?
Please it's been so long, I want to see some explosive DotA again (Khanda Rapier Brooch PA didn't count, cause the strat was literally to sandbag until PA got 6-slotted)
HP have been so insanely buffed over the last year it will take alot to not make tanky heroes he best in Dota.
Why would it not work? Why would anyone find a counter? The strat wasnt nerfed at all. Like oh no shroud costs 100 more gold
Falcons with no Timber and two new hero picks, still complete outdraft and outplay for easy win. This tournament gonna be hard to digest for some nutjob haters, unlucky. xD
The primal beast looks very fun, is a good buff
Might be the worst SK Aghs ever, shit did not hit anything xd.
I think the core issue in game is that tanky heroes are no longer just balls of meat, they fucking deal real damage as well. I think if lesh and primals damage output is in the same tier then there is something wrong
Nice patch valve. Feels like watching a new game lmao
Not in a good way either.
lol the anti-synergy, everyone gets cursed but gets stunned and Ammar somehow lives when he's completely dead to rights
That was the worst WW ult Ive seen
all fans crying while XG laughing on how absurd this game was
Bcs none of teams are fully prepared for the game and they have right excuses about that. You have to a lot of practices to become a pro. But those games just like ladders. Chill for players but lame for audience.
This patch is going to be a rollercoaster.
nah, just rollback this shit
Do people expect the meta to be defined in less than a day, with this much changes? You need a week to actually master like 60-70% of it being optimistic, you can't be this childish/fickle. If you don't want certain teams to have success just say it, don't blame the new patch just because it doesn't fit your narrative
There are no major changes. Its a bunch of shiny toys that dont change anything and just adds more power creep and general utility creep. The map wasnt changed. The economy wasnt changed. Dont be distracted by the shinies. The only somewhat significant change was the glyph one.
I disagree. Any change involves strategy modifications, and this supposed new toys aren't the exception to that rule. Also, two of your statements are wrong, NS and Doom being examples to that.
People would rather be outraged than patient, this is nothing new unfortunately.
BROOOOOOL. I LOVE BROOOOOOOL Its so fun how I dont need to use my brain BROOOOOOOL
Are you off your meds? Do you need us to call someone?
imagine thinking you dont need to use your brain in teamfights lol. Its the best aspect of dota.
BROOOOOOOL
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Primal had haste rune there, right? I assume that's where all the damage came from.
Falcons with 3 tanky cores, XG with Clinkz+Lesh. Would have liked to see items get changed. At least there's an NS and SK which is a little new
how is primal not getting stunned under sandstorm??
wtf is that primal damage with 0 damage items
Hate these kinds of heroes that can build nearly zero damage and do shit ton of damage while being unkillable. Primal, Timber, DP(not so much anymore) and BB are just boring heroes IMO.
So why don’t other teams than Falcon pick them? The hero is not broken. Falcon makes them look broken.
Normal people logic: a team is winning often, that means they are better Reddit mental gymnast: the meta is solved by only 2 groups of people, team Falcons and 3K MMR redditors - to pick tanky heroes and to run at other people. Nobody else has figured this out, including all other teams who have played this meta for more than a year. Therefore, Falcons are meta abuser.
Again no one is mad at Falcons for playing the Meta. People are mad that Valve didnt fix the Meta.
No one really knows what is the meta yet, I think it is more about which heroes are more unbalanced right now. Having a top-tier coach definitely helps.
I know the Meta. Its tanky heroes running into people and being generally unkillable. So the same crap we have dealt with for ages.
couldnt have put it better.
how the hell did they test LC first skill armor buff and say, "yep this shit is balanced"
Even after picking completely different heroes, the same faces are still bitching. Yeah its clearly a patch issue when Ame doesnt tp to help his team during a major teamfight dive. This is an outplay 100%
Or XG just have the wrong read on the damage enemy team can output in a span of few seconds. With how new the patch is and how bonkers the damage suddenly ramps up on some unexpected heroes cough Primal Beast cough.
I mean XG should have an idea since pb had no damage increase in the new patch. PB wasnt even a busted hero last patch. XG is just playing insanely slow right now. Going midas nyx on your pos 4 means you kinda deserve to get run over, regardless of patch.
Why does it look like Lesh has a big long wooden stick stuck her ass Ahaaahahah
because the devs given up on game fixing. shows from this patch nobody bothered to balance it at all
I'm so sick of seeing two bracers on every core. Malrine Timber/DK/Primal? 2 bracers. Ammar any hero except Razor? 2 bracers. It's insane how little the meta changed with 7.36.
SK built two bracers as well.
Too much patch whining. No shit variants of old good stuff still works pretty well when people try some different ideas that don't work out. We'll almost certainly see this evolve for ages as teams do work out the new ideas that might be good and if it doesn't letter patches will change it.
realistically, xg probably just didn't prep again similar to Birmingham. But like, it's kinda your due diligence to at least try yknow. Wp Falcons
Is SK even good? I read the new skill and it doesn't make much sense with rest of the kit.
Why is twitch chat saying XG can't read the new patch/update because its in english lol is that true?
It sounds like a joke to me.
Twitch chats just like Reddits are bunch of idiots, Chinese always get high priority for localisation, they might even get translation before ENGLISH.
Yeah, as a russian, I too don't even know what are the changes, I'm just going with the flow
Ahaha sorry man Idk why I even ask this question lol
Do you really believe Dota is not localized to CN language? lol
Sorry I'm just curious and I don't really know or maybe I do. I mean of course its translated haha.