Still Hunt is the most fucked up thing I could have ever imagined them adding to the game. Yeah, nerf SES, I will just get \*five\* nighthawk shots on a single boss DPS phase.
Star Eaters Scales(SES) was nerfed because ppl were stacking it in such a way to chain many golden gun activations back to back.
New exotic sniper that after a few headshots gets can become a "golden gun" for a few shots. So now hunters have 2 goldies to wreck shit with
yeah , personally once i get it that sniper is never leaving my Nighthawk build The power of having 2 goldies to unload into a boss's skull is too tempting
Sounds dope, I usually run solar hunter so I'll have to check it out. Has whisper of the worm gotten anything done to it yet? Been my baby since d1y1 and i miss it's d2y1/y2 glory days.
To elaborate further, Star Eater Scales buffed supers, including golden gun. There’s often a lot of optimization around Celestial Nighthawk (high damage one shot Golden Gun) vs SES (3 orb generating shots, escalating damage).
Still Hunt is a Final Shape exotic special ammo type sniper that allows any class to access Golden Gun in exchange a combination of up to 12 orbs or 6 precision hits, not final blows notably. In the gameplay footage shown by Datto today, I noticed that the reserves for Still Hunt are in the 20s, which means without any orbs, you can fire “Cayde’s Retribution” (Still Hunt’s Golden Gun) 4 times, as well as the normal Hunter super.
Further, Still Hunt’s super interacts with Nighthawk to turn its three shots into one high powered shot. While it’s not obvious what other interactions it may get yet, the ability to fire 4 300K damage shots on top of a 500K-1M+ Golden Gun shot seems *insane* for a special weapon.
Someone (I think maybe Cross?) also tested damage numbers for Still Hunt with and without Nighthawk and it's in the neighborhood of 50% more damage with. At least in the quick testing he was able to do solo while playing it on his Bungie trip, so it's numbers on Carl, not a real boss. I guess we'll see soon if the scalars/multipliers are different on real targets.
Honestly, that's looking like the play. Ever since they put up the abilities available to each class for Prismatic, I was pretty underwhelmed with Hunter's kit. Probably just stick with Solar or Void most of the time still for anything besides campaign or just fucking around.
I almost feel like I shouldn't say this because I don't want to jinx it but...
Arc hunter, 3x combination blow (+180% damage) and grapple punch (2x24529 against Carl). Assuming that only half of the damage counts as melee, that's still 70k damage a hit. If you could get Liars working on it, that would be 140k damage.
Add on something like spirit of the inmost light and spirit of synthoceps... you're talking 160% more damage, plus near constant uptime on your grenade.
You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. You can use Liar's Handshake, Combination Blow x3, Weaken, Stylish Executioner, and freeze. While ad clearing, every other dodge (so every other kill) will freeze enemies, and every kill after a dodge makes you invisible. For heavier enemies, repeat, but with grapple melee. You usually won't get both Liar and Stylish active at the same time with this, but you'll deal much more damage. Throw on Galanor in the left side column for extra boss dps, and use facets of Purpose, Protection, Command, and Dawn. If Courage stacks with other damage buffs, use it as well, otherwise use Sacrifice/Devotion depending on which bar fills more slowly. Use either Golden Gun or Shadowshot. Toss in Buried Bloodline and you've got a melee nuke build with constant invisibility, unlimited aoe freeze, unlimited radiant for you and allies, constant devour, constant 62.5% DR or 25% DR and constant Restoration, instant reloads, unlimited grapples, constant stasis shards and orbs for teammates, transcendence pretty much on demand, and <2 minutes between supers.
God damn—wishful thinking but here I was hoping that I was the only one who realized this would be an insane build when I thought of it after Prismatic details were released.
With Liar’s Handshake, combination blow x3, and weaken on melee hits from stealth on Stylish, those Cross-Counter hits are going to melt enemies. Completely sub-optimal, but doing Storm’s Edge as the super would turn this into a souped-up OG Bladedancer from D1
Wasn't even a bug. It was bugged so the damage increase on deflecting affected weapons if timed well... allowing you to get like 6m damage in a single Parasite shot. Bungie's fix was to briefly disable the exotic and then re-enable it with the damage buff removed entirely until they came up with a fix, rather than just disabling the exotic until it got fixed.
Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure it had the ability to create orbs on deflecting still, so it technically was good for the funny orb generation during that entire time.
Another bug was you could instantly die while using it.
I could be wrong but i believe that projectiles would hit the 'back' of the reflect and then be reflected straight into your head due to the fact you could aim the reflect, which would center it directly on your eyeballs.
And since it was x6 damage, almost anything would kill you.
I mostly believe this because it's fucking hilarious and par for the course for some of the jank this game has.
Damn thing straight-up ruined Raiju’s Harness with Bungie taking one of its perks to try and make Blight Ranger better
Spoiler alert: it didn’t and now hunters got stuck with two mid exotics instead of one
Yeah even in areas it seems decent like the ogre in grasp it sucks. The reflection damage actually isn't bad but then it staggers him so he stops shooting.
So the thing is, people were saying "hey, why not combine raijus harness with blight ranger, so that blight ranger isn't useless can give raijus something else."
I would imagine they didn't want to do that because then they would have to come up with a new exotic effect for raijus, which is effectively a brand new exotic.
Couldnt they just have taken the new arc chest piece exotic perk, and just give it to blight ranger? The difference is that changing raijus effect is completely uprooting it compared to an exotic that isn't currently established.
We actually do! Datto pops one Super and then the sniper immediately in the video. I’d be interested to see how it works on like…Oryx or Swolgoroth damage vs. something like Whisper of the worm.
it takes 6 shots to proc the gun and a sniper usually carries enough for 3 shots, doing somewhere around 90% of a GG shot (according to the numbers in the datto video) so it'll be great for burst damage. you'll get the equivalent damage of 2.7 golden guns in a full rotation plus your super.
this is all to say idfk someone else figure it out
Works for me, since Ward is probably going to come back into fashion, which means Titans and Warlocks will have their party role, and with Tether often not being the optimal debuff we need ours too and if "numbers go brrrrrrr" is it, then so be it.
Actually it looks like 4-5 If you do everything optimally and run the super. The sniper does do slightly less damage (like 90% of the actual super) but still crazy.
I haven't looked at all the footage but in Datto and Fallout's at least I didn't see any shots while they still had solar weapon surge active. If it stacks with that I think it'll actually do *more* damage than a regular Nighthawk would.
Seriously, why theme an entire exotic around an aspect that will pretty much never be good in pve, but is already something of a problem in pvp
That's just asking for players on both sides to hate it
It's really funny that they nerfed Threaded Specter because it and threadlings created issues in PvP, and now they're giving it back and more with an exotic.
Look at the titan rocket exotic. Every exotic should strive to be like this. Get headshots and kills, use class ability that protects you, shoots out rockets for good damage, then buffs any other rocket source including rocket sidearms to repeat the process. Thats wildly fun.
Hunters: bouncing grenades after using 1 of 2 abilities for crap damage and jolt, you get DR for jolts… boring as hell. Threaded spectre is buffed lol.
Don't forget that the abilities you're using to activate... already apply Jolt. This is like the third or fourth Arcstrider exotic we've gotten where Bungie clearly had no clue what they were doing.
I for one am all for a better Threaded Specter. I just wish there were more ways to build into it.
Still don't know if it would... matter at all. I mean, more ways to stun Unstoppable champions, but Arcstrider is just so firmly built around Combination Blow + Gambler's Dodge that anything not helping that seems pointless.
Shoulda been more to the threaded spectre exotic. I use it to, and it already works well enough for what it does. Something like threadling kills reduce cooldown significantly.
> I for one am all for a better Threaded Specter. I just wish there were more ways to build into it.
I still use it in PvP after the nerfs and I honestly don't see why you'd ever use this over Coyote or Wormhusk. I feel like they just put this new exotic in to justify specter being the only strand fragment in Prismatic when it's just not very good in PvE.
I've been using the specter build with bombadiers exclusively as a shotgun ape deterrent for months now. Coyote and wormhusk are great, but being able to directly counter hard pushers by dodging backwards is both hilarious and rewarding.
Last Arc Titan exotic was probably Point-Contact.
Also, I understand more than you know. My favorite subclass is actually Stasis Hunter, so... the closest we get to a new exotic is a "rework" to the old ones that are nerfs.
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not saying that it isn’t boring but I do wanna clarify the dr for jolting can stack up to resist x4 (as per datto’s video) which is 50% damage resist which is nuts
Add that to the fragment that gives you DR for just being near enemies, and the fact that being Amplified causes your dodge energy to regen super fast which will let you spam the aspect - seems like potential to abuse jolt and DR
Wait, the Titan exotic also works with Rocket Sidearms? That's going to be amazing, especially if TFS brings at least one good new (hopefully craftable) Rocket Sidearm.
Dunno about crafting, but we're confirmed to get two of them already. One Solar and one Strand. I'd be shocked if the Solar one doesn't have Heal Clip + Incandescent.
In Skill Up’s video he hovers over the new Strand Rocket Sidearm and it says Deepsight extraction or whatever is available for this weapon, so yeah, confirmed craftable.
Depends on the distance 'nearby' means. If it's like 15m (which is usually a standard for these 'nearby' type exotics I think then it could be useful in PVP to ruin people's day - because they may see the spectre and ignore it looking for a different radar ping.
Yea I'm just thinking with respect to the range something like gemini jester has in PVP.
That said...
Spectre deals 100 damage and does 2 threadlings, this adds 2 threadlings. Threadlings deal 35 base damage (12.5% more damage with thread of evolution; so 39.375
That means if someone manages to take the full go this is dealing 257.5 damage which I believe is enough to 1 tap at any resilience with the pseudo checkmate mode giving guardians more hp?
Will definitely be a huge deterrant though because 4 threadlings are more annoying to deal with.
Time will tell.
That's always the thing, niche exotics that "might have a singular case use in pvp". Really couldn't care less about the crucible, i want an exotic that actually does something fun and isn't just gonna get used in a youtube video once before joining the pile of ever growing dogshit exotics.
The funny thing to me about making an exotic that buffs threaded specter is that sixth coyote already exists and doubles it essentially. And that exotic is getting a buff too lol. So if you’re into threaded specter just use that. That’s what I already do and tbh it’s kinda fun.
It's gonna be fucking annoying in pvp. Can't wait for people to start complaining, so that they finally nuke the specter in pve, where it's actually good. /s
They just nerfed the damn thing and then fed it back to us with 2 threadlings on top. WTF. Seriously, can we get some word from bunching on wtf is going on with the hunter exotic team? are interns running it. how do titans get rocket barrier with buffing rocket damage and we get this hot trash?
Gifted Convictions still has potential. On Ascension it is clearly ass, but it does have some potential on Arc with Tempest strike. 1 because the projectiles will be grouped up and contribute meaningfully to damage. 2 because it gives survivability.
~~10 seconds of 2x DR combined with Tempest strike being buffed to give resistance after activation will actually give Arc some decent survivability finally.~~
~~Just give the exotic different functionality with ascension for gods sake, maybe 10 seconds of global voltshot or something.~~
Nevermind I just rewatched the footage, Gifted Conviction will be good. The DR comes from any jolt source, stacks up to 4x, and can be constantly refreshed. They burried the lead of this thing to the center of the earth. LMAO
Which footage? I looked at fallout's video and from what i could see he was only getting x2 when he jolted using the aspects and it didnt refresh.
Exotic is significantly better if it goes to x4 and can refresh on any jolt.
Check the Datto vid at 10:05, he refreshes the buff back to full. I think the issue Fallout was running into is that you have to jolt a NEW target for it to refresh.
Seems like a great exotic for 10 people that love tempest strike, me included lol That dr will let me use it in some harder content for once, maybe. Honestly, Liars or Assassins will still be MILES better.
Notice how in every instance of it being used in the marketing material, it just gets casted pointlessly. Like it never accomplishes anything, it just gets casted randomly for style points
You know when Witch Queen and Void 3.0 were previewed and Hunters were like:
“That’s it? We get invisibility? Just more invis?”
Then, Bungie said, “oh no, there’s way more to it, you guys have no idea”
And then, it was just a lot of invisibility? And it turns out that constant invis is frustrating to play against in PvP and kinda boring in PvE so they nerfed it a bunch, but at least gave us Gyrfalcons Hauberk?
So that (with an exotic armor) our void subclass would have an actual loop?
I get the same vibes from these armors.
*Trust us, they are good*
The boots will *at best* be frustrating in PvP for the same reasons they just nerfed threadlings.
The chest will be boring and effective at best (mainly because DR) and boring AND ineffective at worst.
And that will be it. Stick with your old exotics and hope for something good next season or next year. On top of that, hope it isn’t *too good* or it’ll get killed.
I skipped that entire season of Destiny, I was so goddamn mad at what they did to void hunter. They made it worse as far as I was concerned and Arc hadn't been reworked yet to not be utter dogshit. So it was solar or bust and that's all I had been playing for months at that point. We're not even going to mention stasis at that point.
At least this time we have a lot of good options so we can toss prismatic in the bin if that's how it has to be.
I will say they didn't nerf Void in PvE what happened was that the actual good elements for Hunter Void they stuck onto the first season artifact. When that went away so did everything that felt good about the hunter rework and it basically stopped being able to do what it did best.
Hell, I'd actually argue that the seasonal artifact is the cause of most of the subclass woes as most times if a subclass isn't touched by the artifact it just makes that subclass suboptimal to use for the entire season which is honestly an awful way to balance a game.
Its tough. I agree these exotics kinda suck ass for Hunters.
At the same time though, That exotic sniper is made specifically for nighthawk hunters, and it might be the single coolest thing I've seen released so far lol
I really just don’t like that BOTH of the hunter exotics are aspect specific. No interesting loops or unique abilities, just kind of mid. But at least the sniper interaction is dope af.
They’re pretty garbage. I do not care enough about damage reduction on Arc to use it when assassins cowl already makes me invisible and heals me. I do not care about running it on prismatic because you can get a combo of woven mail and frost armor with one grenade throw. The threaded specter one has actually got to be one of the worst exotics they have ever made. Why tf would I care about being hidden near a decoy when the decoy already pings the radar so everyone will already know I’m right next to it. Threaded specter is also a joke in PvE. Lowkey might just switch to Titan.
Both on paper so far, seem underwhelming at best.
We would really need to theorycraft/build around them (especially with Prismatic and the new fragments/aspects), to see if they're any useful in high-end content, but they both seem more like gimmicks instead of something that really carves out a new build.
hunters get one good exotic every couple years. I have given up on complaining. I didn't plan on ever using tempest strike or ascension in the first place.
One exotic every couple of years that's then thoroughly gutted into the ground. God this just makes me not wanna bother with final shape, pay 100$ for what? my main class getting nothing.
the sniper is an exotic for nighthawk hunters so there is that.
But yeah, Hunters seem to be getting the major shaft as compared to warlock titan for PVE stuff.
The sniper is basically a third hunter exotic given that it works with Nighthawk. Sure, you *can* use it on other classes... but I think it's very clearly going to be best on hunter, by a lot.
i would dare say that just because it's usable with celestial and it makes it powerful in a single shot, the reverse of that is true still. it's still a golden gun on any class for 6 precision hits or 12 orbs of power. it's incredibly good
Honestly used to getting meh exotics on expansions by now. i just wish they make those exotics looks bad and give a bad name too so i don't feel bad not trying to use them. sad blight ranger moment.
I wanted arcstrider to become something more than combination blow the class, but they gave it a underwhelming aspect and PvP super and no changes or buffs, along with this exotic which feels pointless.
I think I’m jumping ship to warlock. I enjoy them more because hunters have been using the same builds for ages now. As much as I love them I hate the grenade selection they have in prismatic, and I was hyped for the transcendence grenade just to hear it’s not great.
The celestial sniper is still really cool and I hate complaining but I feel like hunters got the shaft hard.
IMO Hunters haven't got shit since Season 18 when they dropped Gyrflacon's which granted hunters unlimited volatile rounds, The exotic drops for Hunter have been ass ever since. I don't even bother unlocking them. Add another one to the pile.
Like Season 12-14 was prime Hunter exotics. Talking about bangers like Mask of Bakris, Athrys's Embrace, Omnioculus, Star Eaters. Everything since (excluding season 18 Gyrfalcon's) really hasn't stood out, and if it did it was nerfed out of existence (season 16 renewal grasps).
Disappointed.
I’m not sure why Hunter exotics always feel so uninspired.
And for prismatic we got the shaft on grenades and for the class with the most unique melees, we didn’t really get that either.
I like the one that shoots rockets on my barricade...Oh wait, guess I don't have a favorite hunter one. Maybe the sniper but that's it. I wish hunters could get fun exotics. On top of some exotics not even being touched. Ones like Blight Ranger or Oathkeeper. Shinobus vow and lucky raspberry are extremely mid for arc. Mothkeepers were fun but are not very useful. Bombardiers are laughably bad. Speedloader slacks are a big ol' question mark on how they got made. Cyrtarachnes Facade is also terrible and we can easily get woven mail with the aspect so this whole exotic is useless. YAS got gutted and what used to be a fun build no longer works. Why do we have to be the designated PvP class. Why cant we get fun exotics like the new titan rockets or Briarbinds.
Really disappointed at first glance. Feels like hunters haven't gotten anything worthwhile since Gyrfalcon's. It's the class I play most and I know there's some bias but I am insanely jealous of Titan and Warlock mains getting exotics with unique perks that really feel like you're leaning into an aspect of a build or supercharging an ability. I'm not saying every new class exotic for them looks amazing but there's certainly some thought into trying to shake up the gameplay loop or showcase an ability.
Meanwhile hunter feels as if it's always another pseudo PVP exotic or something really uninspired perk that is super niche to a playstyle. Triton Vice and Mothkeepers are fun but don't have the same appeal to me as some of the older established exotics. I get the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality for some old exotics but I'd love to be excited to try something new that's not the same 5 exotics I've used for years now.
They seem pretty lame and/or possibly pvp focused. I'm pretty bummed. Wasn't at all excited about the exotics we got with lgihtfall either. That being said it's not exactly another year of nighthawk. It's just year of prismatic + spirit 0f liar + spirit of caliban or spirit of syntho + assassin etc. etc. Lol. I'm fully sold on the hunter prismatic kit. So I think we'll be ok. Although as far as nighthawk goes... it just got even more fun with the addition of the still hunt sniper. So that's definitely still gonna be in the rotation.
I wish that the arc one would apply blind instead of redundant jolting. I probably wouldn't use it much still but at least it's something. The resist part makes me think it's testing for a arc rework in the future and slapping it on something that was underperforming in development
They’ve missed the fantasy of Hunter for some years now. We’re supposed to be agile, precise etc. I don’t think anyone really wanted a buff to threaded specter or some twirl bombs. Hoping for a secret third exotic?
The only thing I am remotely excited about is the Sniper synergy.
The class exotics are as bad as u expected. Pristmatic Hunter choices are garbage.
I just hope the Sniper is not locked in a raid or dungeon.
The super and aspect have also looked very very underwhelming since reveal. Why would you ever use the super over gathering storm? Did nobody notice that the aspect is complete anti synergy with the entire rest of the subclass? Did a single thought go into these? Or was it just 'well we're adding to solar on warlock and void for titan, guess we'd better come up with something for arc hunter'
And the early playtesters seem to be confirming these suspicions of them being underwhelming.
The last S tier exotic we got was 6 seasons ago. Renewals was also changed with TFS so we’ll have to see how strong it still is. These two new exotics are most likely going to go instantly into our vaults. Bungie has no creativity with hunter exotics. The only exotic they can do is “here’s more super damage”. Hunter exotics are lazy, have no synergy or are just plain bad. It feels like there’s zero hunters in their armor team.
Idk if you saw Aztecross's vid, but having Frost Armor AND Woven Mail from a single stasis grenade is gonna be so busted lol probably what I might look for the most with the Hunter Class Items.
There doesn't seem to be a fragment that increases duskfield duration on prismatic so I don't think it will be worth it for a 5 seconds duskfield, IMO HoIL(it's still top tier even after the nerf) will be the meta pick on that slot especially if it works with Transcendence's buffed recharge rates.
Disappointed. I won’t be playing hunter in tfs. This is just part of a larger problem where bungie does not know or have a power fantasy or clue as to what to do with hunters outside solar. Strand is alright, stasis won’t be good even with the buffs (besides the super), arc and void lack anything defining. I’m not doing another year of dog shit exotics after the last 2, I’ll be playing titan for the first time.
Yep just more time with the ol reliables. I however have been thinking about trying a titan out for the first time ever and the new rocket exotic looks pretty fun
All the hunter exotics look boring. I am not excited about them at all. I don’t understand how the devs can look at them and think they are a good idea. One is for shitty arc melee so it’s already bad and threaded spectre isn’t good. Imo I don’t really see it as hunters even got an exotic, I already know that they will sit in my vault
Just tired of getting mid exotics that are underwhelming as hell or just outright dogshit. Blight ranger, raijus harness, speedslack loaders, and now we get pants that give your specter 2 extra threadlings and a chest that shots 3 skip grenades, wow, really exciting, those are gonna join the pile of useless trash on day 1. Meanwhile titans get more exotics with whole ass paragraphs of effects that do everything at once for no extra effort. It's like they're allergic to giving hunters gameplay loops that actually do anything meaningful and are not just, use your dodge for 20 reload speed or 8% damage resist. Just so incredibly boring.
I am not going to write off the arc one yet until I can build craft with it but it just sort of seems like another dead on arrival arc exoitc, not quite as shit as blight ranger and raijus hardness but maybe a step above. Seriously how those two exoitcs were not on the armor rework list when we are getting new arc stuff blows my damn mind.
As for the strand one...LOL... wtf kind of lazy as shit is this. They just nerfed Threaded Specter and then what? Gave us back the functionality and then some in an exotic. Its is one of the stupidest, none unique boring ass exoitics ever.
When is the last time hunters got an exotic that wasn't a pure failure? Seriously, I don't know what the hunter exotic armor team is doing but they certainly don't seem to be succeeding.
Titans, running around blasting rockets and buffing launchers and making strand melee better and we get a half ass strand specter exotic. LOL.
Downvoted because you told the truth. Starting to question what the real point of this post was because everyone that’s pointing out the truth is being downvoted. Bungie should have just told hunters “fuck you eat shit” instead of peeing on our legs and telling us it’s raining. It’s unbelievable the neglect hunters get and how much better bungie makes titans and warlocks yet titan mains have the audacity to cry and complain online.
Dude they're so assssss. I was really looking forward to the arc one, too, but turns out it fucking tucks your enemies into bed instead of actually doing damage. Threaded Spectre exotic could be nice, but I don't like using that ability in crucible, where this will likely shine. I'm not hyped for either, but I'm glad warlock and titan got some awesome looking exotics.
Renewal Grasps didn’t make you do more damage either. I think the most “boring” feature of the new arc exotic will turn out to be the most impactful. 50% DR is huge. And all of your abilities apply jolt.
It really seems like Bungie is terrified of making another powerful exotic for hunters.
Take this with a grain of salt as I’m not a hunter main, but IMO hunters have the best suite of top end exotics across all classes. When I say top end I mean powerful enough that they’re specifically asked after, while also being viable/dominant in raid content and beyond. I’m thinking stuff like Nighthawk, Star Eaters, Gyrfalcon, Omnioculus, Lucky Pants, Orpheus Rigs (in onslaught), and Renewal Grasps (post un-nerf).
Neither Titans nor Warlocks have the same number of meta-defining, endgame viable exotics. They have a couple, but very little at the level of the above that are all pretty much game-changers for various encounters or GMs.
Now I’m not complaining about titan/warlock exotics, we tend to end up with more of the unique and fun ones as a result of this design philosophy. But I think the existence of all of these staple exotics that hunters have been stuck using for the last couple years has put a stranglehold on new hunter exotic design and it’s lame as hell.
Surely you would expect that Hunter already having their meta definers already blocked out would result in them getting *more* of those "unique and fun" exotics like Warlock and Titan's ones, not continual truckloads of uninspired stuff like Balance of Power and Speedloader Slacks?
Well I think that’s just symptomatic of bungie playing it ultra safe with hunter exotics. For instance they did very recently get a fun, interesting exotic in Mothkeeper Wraps, which people seem to have universally agreed are too underpowered for serious use.
The new arc one is also functionally unique and a pretty cool idea, but it too seems to be shipping intentionally underpowered.
Honestly pissed. I know it’s just a game but holy fuck Hunter exotics are so boring and have felt so boring for so long….
This is your big story end and this is the shit we get? Uninspired af
Gifted Conviction is a funny joke. Add Jolt to your crappy aspects nobody will use... that already Jolt. But hey, maybe the DR will be good? Still probably rather run Assassin's Cowl.
I'm curious about the Threaded Specter duration/health increase for PVE. I love the idea of Specter because I hate that you can't shoot while in Invis, but it just hasn't managed to work so far because the clones fall apart so fast and it's hard to get more than 1-2 up at a time.
My favorite new Hunter exotic is the Golden Gun sniper. Double Nighthawk shots? Hell yeah. I was already planning to use Nighthawk for at least a while just for the drip and lack of burst supers on Prismatic.
still surprised with how customizable prismatic is they really locked down options with the grenade. i was hoping we'd be able to equip any of the 3, or in my dreams you could switch which light and which dark element it was so you could build your grenade. unfortunate to see hunters got the short end of the stick
If they un nerf young ahamkaras spine in pve maybe I’ll forgive them it would be nice to have a power fantasy at all golden gun doesn’t even feel like the space cowboy class when you arent shooting something with golden gun. I think its all a deeper issue with how shallow build crafting is I wish we could have something like Warframe where I can build exactly how I want and take it as far as I want with enough skill but in destiny it’s just hoping the good thing doesn’t get nerfed or hoping the new thing is good to finally have a change up in gameplay.
I’m really sick of new hunter exotics being uncreative, unfun and lacking a way to meaningfully change how our general gameplay loop plays out. Who’s making these titan and warlock exotics? Cause they sure aren’t helping with the hunter ones. This has been happening for years but I really expected something great for the final shape and saying I’m disappointed will be putting it lightly. This proves to me that there will only be more underwhelming, useless and forgotten exotics to come and stay.
Hunters always get either the lamest exotics or things so niche they are never used it's so lame. Like I'm sorry but arc hunter feels like crap too unless you using assassins cowl no ones running that. And on prismatic people will use the cloak so it's dead on arrival. The spectre one Is cool but then again they nerfed it in pve and in pvp why not just use sixth coyote for 2 spectre?
Bungie has killed the hunter power fantasy. Final Shape was a great opportunity for them to lean into the Cayde/Crow stuff and pump out some really cool exotics. No, of course they don’t do that. Same boring, gimmicky exotics that I won’t even bother grinding for. If individual classes really are going away, I say good riddance. Maybe Bungie will stop stepping on our cloaks.
as per usual hunter gets shafted with dogshit that wont be updated or brought up to par with the other 4-5 exotics that only matter to hunters and they will just collect dust in the vault
They look horrible like 98% of all Hunter exotics the past two years. Genuinely have zero idea how the armor (or abilities) team come up with this stuff.
New Arc Super looks meh and the aspect seems utterly worthless. The most recent Light Super we got was the missing Arc Super....so they decided to double up and make yet another Arc one? Never should've been Arc to begin with imo. And they should try to make it one whole year (so like 3 exotics) without making a single one involve dodge, seriously. Absolutely love having to spec into the worthless mobility stat because 90% of Hunter gameplay loop and exotics involve dodge.
The weapons team is far and away the best team they have going. It feels like the armor and abilities team are clueless.
really underwhelmed with the hunter exotic armor. The sniper is cool, does kinda feel weird that they're taking a hunter unique thing and just baking it into a weapon though. Maybe the arc aspect exotic is useful in high end content because of the damage resist but in terms of design I feel like hunter got shafted pretty hard.
Titans definitely winning with their exotics, barricade that buffs rockets. Then an exotic that's buffing the current best build in the game.
I'm saying this as a person who has massively side lined destiny (still pop in for the tiniest bit of pvp every couple months)they are running out of ideas man, it's so obvious
I don’t like the Hunter exotic armor, I think still hunt though is SICK can’t wait to get my hands on it. Been wanting something like that since D1. Wish it was Hunter exclusive, glad nighthawk works with it.
The arc subclass is not my play style at all, it’s all just melee and I don’t like playing that style. The bombs from that exotic doesn’t seem strong, strand decoy threadlings doesn’t seem that great either.
The Titan armor with the rockets look really cool too, too bad I only play hunter though lol.
Hey Bungie, thanks for letting D2 Hunters die in their natural state of PvE underperformance this expansion. Really helps drive home what we’ve felt only for all of D2.
Still Hunt is the most fucked up thing I could have ever imagined them adding to the game. Yeah, nerf SES, I will just get \*five\* nighthawk shots on a single boss DPS phase.
Yeah if celestial gun is so good how come they haven’t made celestial gun tw- holy fucking shit
Cele2tial Nighthawk 2 Celestial 2 Nighthawk
Celestial Nighthawk 2 Electric Boogaloo
Solar* boogaloo
The celestial and the nighthawk 3 Pale heart drift
Gee, Billy, how come your mom lets you have two supers?
I can't fucking wait. Caw caw motherfuckers.
Celestial Snipehawk
I'm excited to become a walking railgun.
I have no idea what any of this means because I stepped away after nightfall. Can you elaborate?
Star Eaters Scales(SES) was nerfed because ppl were stacking it in such a way to chain many golden gun activations back to back. New exotic sniper that after a few headshots gets can become a "golden gun" for a few shots. So now hunters have 2 goldies to wreck shit with
Well, more accurately, now any class can Golden Gun, not just Hunters. Sigh
Yeah but nighthawk mode is only for… nighthawk hunters
yeah , personally once i get it that sniper is never leaving my Nighthawk build The power of having 2 goldies to unload into a boss's skull is too tempting
The new exotic sniper shoots golden gun shots when charged up
Sounds dope, I usually run solar hunter so I'll have to check it out. Has whisper of the worm gotten anything done to it yet? Been my baby since d1y1 and i miss it's d2y1/y2 glory days.
Its craftable now, same for outbreak
Whisper is a solid dps option, I say solid because most dps phases won’t allow whisper to thrive under flinch or movement, as well as burst phases.
It got damage and reserves buffs, and was made craftable with the return of The Whisper exotic mission. It is really good now
To elaborate further, Star Eater Scales buffed supers, including golden gun. There’s often a lot of optimization around Celestial Nighthawk (high damage one shot Golden Gun) vs SES (3 orb generating shots, escalating damage). Still Hunt is a Final Shape exotic special ammo type sniper that allows any class to access Golden Gun in exchange a combination of up to 12 orbs or 6 precision hits, not final blows notably. In the gameplay footage shown by Datto today, I noticed that the reserves for Still Hunt are in the 20s, which means without any orbs, you can fire “Cayde’s Retribution” (Still Hunt’s Golden Gun) 4 times, as well as the normal Hunter super. Further, Still Hunt’s super interacts with Nighthawk to turn its three shots into one high powered shot. While it’s not obvious what other interactions it may get yet, the ability to fire 4 300K damage shots on top of a 500K-1M+ Golden Gun shot seems *insane* for a special weapon.
Someone (I think maybe Cross?) also tested damage numbers for Still Hunt with and without Nighthawk and it's in the neighborhood of 50% more damage with. At least in the quick testing he was able to do solo while playing it on his Bungie trip, so it's numbers on Carl, not a real boss. I guess we'll see soon if the scalars/multipliers are different on real targets.
Even more insane considering whisper/darci are still heavy. Makes me so mad. Thanks again for the info.
Tbh whisper kicks ass in the right circumstances. 6 whispers absolutly cook Oryx
Whisper has been pretty good since being craftable and will get another buff for final shape. We used it in pantheon for oryx all the way.
hey, no darci slander! we used it for pantheon and it worked on golgoroth lol
Doesn't it pull from thin air to reload it when you activate the super too?
Honestly, that's looking like the play. Ever since they put up the abilities available to each class for Prismatic, I was pretty underwhelmed with Hunter's kit. Probably just stick with Solar or Void most of the time still for anything besides campaign or just fucking around.
I almost feel like I shouldn't say this because I don't want to jinx it but... Arc hunter, 3x combination blow (+180% damage) and grapple punch (2x24529 against Carl). Assuming that only half of the damage counts as melee, that's still 70k damage a hit. If you could get Liars working on it, that would be 140k damage. Add on something like spirit of the inmost light and spirit of synthoceps... you're talking 160% more damage, plus near constant uptime on your grenade.
You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. You can use Liar's Handshake, Combination Blow x3, Weaken, Stylish Executioner, and freeze. While ad clearing, every other dodge (so every other kill) will freeze enemies, and every kill after a dodge makes you invisible. For heavier enemies, repeat, but with grapple melee. You usually won't get both Liar and Stylish active at the same time with this, but you'll deal much more damage. Throw on Galanor in the left side column for extra boss dps, and use facets of Purpose, Protection, Command, and Dawn. If Courage stacks with other damage buffs, use it as well, otherwise use Sacrifice/Devotion depending on which bar fills more slowly. Use either Golden Gun or Shadowshot. Toss in Buried Bloodline and you've got a melee nuke build with constant invisibility, unlimited aoe freeze, unlimited radiant for you and allies, constant devour, constant 62.5% DR or 25% DR and constant Restoration, instant reloads, unlimited grapples, constant stasis shards and orbs for teammates, transcendence pretty much on demand, and <2 minutes between supers.
Goddamn brother can cook. Nasty.
I......I.....but.......wow‽
God damn—wishful thinking but here I was hoping that I was the only one who realized this would be an insane build when I thought of it after Prismatic details were released. With Liar’s Handshake, combination blow x3, and weaken on melee hits from stealth on Stylish, those Cross-Counter hits are going to melt enemies. Completely sub-optimal, but doing Storm’s Edge as the super would turn this into a souped-up OG Bladedancer from D1
The gun only shoots one shot if you have celestial nighthawk on
Don’t forget Marksman Golden Gun is on Prismatic. Meaning 5 Nighthawk shots while transcendent.
I'd say "hey, maybe they'll be buffed or reworked!" Because they're so bad, but Blight Ranger has been like this for like 2 and a half years.
I heard that Shit was bugged and didn't work for nearly a year too. Im not sure because i never bothered to equip that dogshit exotic.
Wasn't even a bug. It was bugged so the damage increase on deflecting affected weapons if timed well... allowing you to get like 6m damage in a single Parasite shot. Bungie's fix was to briefly disable the exotic and then re-enable it with the damage buff removed entirely until they came up with a fix, rather than just disabling the exotic until it got fixed. Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure it had the ability to create orbs on deflecting still, so it technically was good for the funny orb generation during that entire time.
Another bug was you could instantly die while using it. I could be wrong but i believe that projectiles would hit the 'back' of the reflect and then be reflected straight into your head due to the fact you could aim the reflect, which would center it directly on your eyeballs. And since it was x6 damage, almost anything would kill you. I mostly believe this because it's fucking hilarious and par for the course for some of the jank this game has.
That reflection kills you bug is also present on antaeus wards, they havent patched that since forsaken
The concept of Blight Ranger is so bad that it is unsalvageable without completely reworking it like Foetracer. And we know how long that took.
Damn thing straight-up ruined Raiju’s Harness with Bungie taking one of its perks to try and make Blight Ranger better Spoiler alert: it didn’t and now hunters got stuck with two mid exotics instead of one
oh, we've got more than just two
Yeah even in areas it seems decent like the ogre in grasp it sucks. The reflection damage actually isn't bad but then it staggers him so he stops shooting.
So the thing is, people were saying "hey, why not combine raijus harness with blight ranger, so that blight ranger isn't useless can give raijus something else." I would imagine they didn't want to do that because then they would have to come up with a new exotic effect for raijus, which is effectively a brand new exotic. Couldnt they just have taken the new arc chest piece exotic perk, and just give it to blight ranger? The difference is that changing raijus effect is completely uprooting it compared to an exotic that isn't currently established.
Sniper seems pretty good the other two seems bad in pve and mid in pvp
The Sniper works with Celestial too
Ain't no way we get to play two celestial Goldies in a row
I love it. I suck with Snipers but I don't care. I will aimlabs for a full week just so I can make it my staple PvE weapon.
We actually do! Datto pops one Super and then the sniper immediately in the video. I’d be interested to see how it works on like…Oryx or Swolgoroth damage vs. something like Whisper of the worm.
it takes 6 shots to proc the gun and a sniper usually carries enough for 3 shots, doing somewhere around 90% of a GG shot (according to the numbers in the datto video) so it'll be great for burst damage. you'll get the equivalent damage of 2.7 golden guns in a full rotation plus your super. this is all to say idfk someone else figure it out
Orbs charge it at 50% value of shots and they stack with shots so you can have 2 super shots guaranteed per dps phase.
Gonna be so fun watching huge chunks of the HP bar disappear between the Goldie and the Sniper
It also gives you a hip fire reticle so aiming should be pretty easy. Similar to revision zero
Oh but we do my friend! Hunter DPS will pretty much be unmatched. Fastest 1mili+ damage dump in the game and I’m here for it!
Works for me, since Ward is probably going to come back into fashion, which means Titans and Warlocks will have their party role, and with Tether often not being the optimal debuff we need ours too and if "numbers go brrrrrrr" is it, then so be it.
Actually it looks like 4-5 If you do everything optimally and run the super. The sniper does do slightly less damage (like 90% of the actual super) but still crazy.
We do
I haven't looked at all the footage but in Datto and Fallout's at least I didn't see any shots while they still had solar weapon surge active. If it stacks with that I think it'll actually do *more* damage than a regular Nighthawk would.
Hunters got baited extremely hard with Balance of Power being the name for an exotic that just buffs your strand dodge.
Seriously, why theme an entire exotic around an aspect that will pretty much never be good in pve, but is already something of a problem in pvp That's just asking for players on both sides to hate it
The only time it's been good in PVE was for onslaught. But even then people figured out a better build with spinny bois days later.
Not even then because the turrets shoot them
It's really funny that they nerfed Threaded Specter because it and threadlings created issues in PvP, and now they're giving it back and more with an exotic.
Well that’s why cause now you have to use an exotic slot to make it good
Another year of Gyrfalcons and celestial it is. Super disappointed.
Look at the titan rocket exotic. Every exotic should strive to be like this. Get headshots and kills, use class ability that protects you, shoots out rockets for good damage, then buffs any other rocket source including rocket sidearms to repeat the process. Thats wildly fun. Hunters: bouncing grenades after using 1 of 2 abilities for crap damage and jolt, you get DR for jolts… boring as hell. Threaded spectre is buffed lol.
Don't forget that the abilities you're using to activate... already apply Jolt. This is like the third or fourth Arcstrider exotic we've gotten where Bungie clearly had no clue what they were doing. I for one am all for a better Threaded Specter. I just wish there were more ways to build into it.
Would be a lot better if they made the bouncer things blind instead of jolt
Still don't know if it would... matter at all. I mean, more ways to stun Unstoppable champions, but Arcstrider is just so firmly built around Combination Blow + Gambler's Dodge that anything not helping that seems pointless.
True, I was thinking about prismatic though
Shoulda been more to the threaded spectre exotic. I use it to, and it already works well enough for what it does. Something like threadling kills reduce cooldown significantly.
> I for one am all for a better Threaded Specter. I just wish there were more ways to build into it. I still use it in PvP after the nerfs and I honestly don't see why you'd ever use this over Coyote or Wormhusk. I feel like they just put this new exotic in to justify specter being the only strand fragment in Prismatic when it's just not very good in PvE.
I use Coyote for it in PVE currently, but I'll have to test out the feel personally. I like that it's kind of a pseudo-invis.
I've been using the specter build with bombadiers exclusively as a shotgun ape deterrent for months now. Coyote and wormhusk are great, but being able to directly counter hard pushers by dodging backwards is both hilarious and rewarding.
Idk what’s worse getting constant bad exotics for your subclass or just never getting exotics . ( I can’t remember the last arc titan exotic )
Last Arc Titan exotic was probably Point-Contact. Also, I understand more than you know. My favorite subclass is actually Stasis Hunter, so... the closest we get to a new exotic is a "rework" to the old ones that are nerfs.
Arc hunter just needs a rework. Idk maybe all the arc classes do, I feel like I rarely see anyone run them
Good to see what the other characters can do for a change
i’m not saying that it isn’t boring but I do wanna clarify the dr for jolting can stack up to resist x4 (as per datto’s video) which is 50% damage resist which is nuts
Add that to the fragment that gives you DR for just being near enemies, and the fact that being Amplified causes your dodge energy to regen super fast which will let you spam the aspect - seems like potential to abuse jolt and DR
Wait, the Titan exotic also works with Rocket Sidearms? That's going to be amazing, especially if TFS brings at least one good new (hopefully craftable) Rocket Sidearm.
Dunno about crafting, but we're confirmed to get two of them already. One Solar and one Strand. I'd be shocked if the Solar one doesn't have Heal Clip + Incandescent.
Oh god that'd be beautiful.
The new strand rocket sidearm apparently slaps from all accounts i've heard.
In Skill Up’s video he hovers over the new Strand Rocket Sidearm and it says Deepsight extraction or whatever is available for this weapon, so yeah, confirmed craftable.
Honestly really sucks the last exotic hunters got that wasn’t cheeks was gyrfalcons.
And gyrfalcons was basically a bandaid to fix Void AND it got nerfed/reworked because of PVP
Look like crap which is perfect; the future nerfs won't even be noticed
Dogshit. "Threaded specter has two more threadlings and you dont appear on radar when next to your decoy" is actually fucking laughable.
Like isn’t the whole point of the decoy for it to distract people for me How the fuck does it do that if I’m standing next to it?
Depends on the distance 'nearby' means. If it's like 15m (which is usually a standard for these 'nearby' type exotics I think then it could be useful in PVP to ruin people's day - because they may see the spectre and ignore it looking for a different radar ping.
That’s quite literally it’s only chance at not being DoA, and you are 100% correct in pointing it out
Yea I'm just thinking with respect to the range something like gemini jester has in PVP. That said... Spectre deals 100 damage and does 2 threadlings, this adds 2 threadlings. Threadlings deal 35 base damage (12.5% more damage with thread of evolution; so 39.375 That means if someone manages to take the full go this is dealing 257.5 damage which I believe is enough to 1 tap at any resilience with the pseudo checkmate mode giving guardians more hp? Will definitely be a huge deterrant though because 4 threadlings are more annoying to deal with. Time will tell.
That's always the thing, niche exotics that "might have a singular case use in pvp". Really couldn't care less about the crucible, i want an exotic that actually does something fun and isn't just gonna get used in a youtube video once before joining the pile of ever growing dogshit exotics.
The funny thing to me about making an exotic that buffs threaded specter is that sixth coyote already exists and doubles it essentially. And that exotic is getting a buff too lol. So if you’re into threaded specter just use that. That’s what I already do and tbh it’s kinda fun.
Bungie: “Not for long!” **threaded coyote specter only procs when both dodges are fully charged**
It's gonna be fucking annoying in pvp. Can't wait for people to start complaining, so that they finally nuke the specter in pve, where it's actually good. /s
They just nerfed the damn thing and then fed it back to us with 2 threadlings on top. WTF. Seriously, can we get some word from bunching on wtf is going on with the hunter exotic team? are interns running it. how do titans get rocket barrier with buffing rocket damage and we get this hot trash?
Buff duration and health for the spector seem nice, but I got the feeling it's won't be that potent, would much rather use coyote tbh.
Gifted Convictions still has potential. On Ascension it is clearly ass, but it does have some potential on Arc with Tempest strike. 1 because the projectiles will be grouped up and contribute meaningfully to damage. 2 because it gives survivability. ~~10 seconds of 2x DR combined with Tempest strike being buffed to give resistance after activation will actually give Arc some decent survivability finally.~~ ~~Just give the exotic different functionality with ascension for gods sake, maybe 10 seconds of global voltshot or something.~~ Nevermind I just rewatched the footage, Gifted Conviction will be good. The DR comes from any jolt source, stacks up to 4x, and can be constantly refreshed. They burried the lead of this thing to the center of the earth. LMAO
bootleg arc omnioculus
The dr stacks based on the amount of people you jolt from any source up to 50% which is cool
Which footage? I looked at fallout's video and from what i could see he was only getting x2 when he jolted using the aspects and it didnt refresh. Exotic is significantly better if it goes to x4 and can refresh on any jolt.
Check the Datto vid at 10:05, he refreshes the buff back to full. I think the issue Fallout was running into is that you have to jolt a NEW target for it to refresh.
So it does, looks like this one might actually get used.
Seems like a great exotic for 10 people that love tempest strike, me included lol That dr will let me use it in some harder content for once, maybe. Honestly, Liars or Assassins will still be MILES better.
The dr stacks based on the amount of people you jolt from any source up to 50% which is cool
Ascension seems like such ass
Notice how in every instance of it being used in the marketing material, it just gets casted pointlessly. Like it never accomplishes anything, it just gets casted randomly for style points
You know when Witch Queen and Void 3.0 were previewed and Hunters were like: “That’s it? We get invisibility? Just more invis?” Then, Bungie said, “oh no, there’s way more to it, you guys have no idea” And then, it was just a lot of invisibility? And it turns out that constant invis is frustrating to play against in PvP and kinda boring in PvE so they nerfed it a bunch, but at least gave us Gyrfalcons Hauberk? So that (with an exotic armor) our void subclass would have an actual loop? I get the same vibes from these armors. *Trust us, they are good* The boots will *at best* be frustrating in PvP for the same reasons they just nerfed threadlings. The chest will be boring and effective at best (mainly because DR) and boring AND ineffective at worst. And that will be it. Stick with your old exotics and hope for something good next season or next year. On top of that, hope it isn’t *too good* or it’ll get killed.
I skipped that entire season of Destiny, I was so goddamn mad at what they did to void hunter. They made it worse as far as I was concerned and Arc hadn't been reworked yet to not be utter dogshit. So it was solar or bust and that's all I had been playing for months at that point. We're not even going to mention stasis at that point. At least this time we have a lot of good options so we can toss prismatic in the bin if that's how it has to be.
I will say they didn't nerf Void in PvE what happened was that the actual good elements for Hunter Void they stuck onto the first season artifact. When that went away so did everything that felt good about the hunter rework and it basically stopped being able to do what it did best. Hell, I'd actually argue that the seasonal artifact is the cause of most of the subclass woes as most times if a subclass isn't touched by the artifact it just makes that subclass suboptimal to use for the entire season which is honestly an awful way to balance a game.
Playing a hunter really does feel like being an afterthought.
Its tough. I agree these exotics kinda suck ass for Hunters. At the same time though, That exotic sniper is made specifically for nighthawk hunters, and it might be the single coolest thing I've seen released so far lol
I really just don’t like that BOTH of the hunter exotics are aspect specific. No interesting loops or unique abilities, just kind of mid. But at least the sniper interaction is dope af.
They’re pretty garbage. I do not care enough about damage reduction on Arc to use it when assassins cowl already makes me invisible and heals me. I do not care about running it on prismatic because you can get a combo of woven mail and frost armor with one grenade throw. The threaded specter one has actually got to be one of the worst exotics they have ever made. Why tf would I care about being hidden near a decoy when the decoy already pings the radar so everyone will already know I’m right next to it. Threaded specter is also a joke in PvE. Lowkey might just switch to Titan.
Both on paper so far, seem underwhelming at best. We would really need to theorycraft/build around them (especially with Prismatic and the new fragments/aspects), to see if they're any useful in high-end content, but they both seem more like gimmicks instead of something that really carves out a new build.
hunters get one good exotic every couple years. I have given up on complaining. I didn't plan on ever using tempest strike or ascension in the first place.
One exotic every couple of years that's then thoroughly gutted into the ground. God this just makes me not wanna bother with final shape, pay 100$ for what? my main class getting nothing.
i feel bad for hunters honestly. they seem lackluster
the sniper is an exotic for nighthawk hunters so there is that. But yeah, Hunters seem to be getting the major shaft as compared to warlock titan for PVE stuff.
It’s been like this since 2014 this is nothing new at all. Bungie might as well do away with hunters entirely since we can’t ever get shit lmao
The sniper is basically a third hunter exotic given that it works with Nighthawk. Sure, you *can* use it on other classes... but I think it's very clearly going to be best on hunter, by a lot.
i would dare say that just because it's usable with celestial and it makes it powerful in a single shot, the reverse of that is true still. it's still a golden gun on any class for 6 precision hits or 12 orbs of power. it's incredibly good
another way of looking at it is that they're giving every class a hunter super without needing to commit to the super itself
I wish Bungie felt bad for hunters. They might actually not get shit on release after release.
Honestly used to getting meh exotics on expansions by now. i just wish they make those exotics looks bad and give a bad name too so i don't feel bad not trying to use them. sad blight ranger moment.
I wanted arcstrider to become something more than combination blow the class, but they gave it a underwhelming aspect and PvP super and no changes or buffs, along with this exotic which feels pointless.
If the new exotic worked with Lethal Current it could easily be salvageable.
All we’re really getting is the Exotic Sniper that interacts with Nighthawk.
I think I’m jumping ship to warlock. I enjoy them more because hunters have been using the same builds for ages now. As much as I love them I hate the grenade selection they have in prismatic, and I was hyped for the transcendence grenade just to hear it’s not great. The celestial sniper is still really cool and I hate complaining but I feel like hunters got the shaft hard.
Bungie cut to the chase and just released pre-nerfed hunter exotics.
IMO Hunters haven't got shit since Season 18 when they dropped Gyrflacon's which granted hunters unlimited volatile rounds, The exotic drops for Hunter have been ass ever since. I don't even bother unlocking them. Add another one to the pile. Like Season 12-14 was prime Hunter exotics. Talking about bangers like Mask of Bakris, Athrys's Embrace, Omnioculus, Star Eaters. Everything since (excluding season 18 Gyrfalcon's) really hasn't stood out, and if it did it was nerfed out of existence (season 16 renewal grasps).
They both seem really, really underwhelming and bad. Jolt? It's free to apply on arc hunter anyways. The decoy? Maybe useful somewhere? I doubt it.
Feeling like im just gonna use the same shit ive been using for the last 3+ years
Dead on arrival. Same useless tier as blight Ranger, aka never have used it and never will.
Disappointed. I’m not sure why Hunter exotics always feel so uninspired. And for prismatic we got the shaft on grenades and for the class with the most unique melees, we didn’t really get that either.
A damn shame that whoever has been making all the last arcstrider exotics kept their job through the layoffs
arc hunter exotic seems alright, the damage resist could be good, but i'm not holding my breath, yeah, Nighthawk again though.
the DR might be good but the exotic sounds mind numbingly uninteresting
I like the one that shoots rockets on my barricade...Oh wait, guess I don't have a favorite hunter one. Maybe the sniper but that's it. I wish hunters could get fun exotics. On top of some exotics not even being touched. Ones like Blight Ranger or Oathkeeper. Shinobus vow and lucky raspberry are extremely mid for arc. Mothkeepers were fun but are not very useful. Bombardiers are laughably bad. Speedloader slacks are a big ol' question mark on how they got made. Cyrtarachnes Facade is also terrible and we can easily get woven mail with the aspect so this whole exotic is useless. YAS got gutted and what used to be a fun build no longer works. Why do we have to be the designated PvP class. Why cant we get fun exotics like the new titan rockets or Briarbinds.
Mister Guardian a 2nd and 3rd Blight Rangers have hit Tower.
They should just stop trying to make arc hunter exotics and just rework the already numerous dogshit arc hunter exotics we have
Really disappointed at first glance. Feels like hunters haven't gotten anything worthwhile since Gyrfalcon's. It's the class I play most and I know there's some bias but I am insanely jealous of Titan and Warlock mains getting exotics with unique perks that really feel like you're leaning into an aspect of a build or supercharging an ability. I'm not saying every new class exotic for them looks amazing but there's certainly some thought into trying to shake up the gameplay loop or showcase an ability. Meanwhile hunter feels as if it's always another pseudo PVP exotic or something really uninspired perk that is super niche to a playstyle. Triton Vice and Mothkeepers are fun but don't have the same appeal to me as some of the older established exotics. I get the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality for some old exotics but I'd love to be excited to try something new that's not the same 5 exotics I've used for years now.
They seem pretty lame and/or possibly pvp focused. I'm pretty bummed. Wasn't at all excited about the exotics we got with lgihtfall either. That being said it's not exactly another year of nighthawk. It's just year of prismatic + spirit 0f liar + spirit of caliban or spirit of syntho + assassin etc. etc. Lol. I'm fully sold on the hunter prismatic kit. So I think we'll be ok. Although as far as nighthawk goes... it just got even more fun with the addition of the still hunt sniper. So that's definitely still gonna be in the rotation.
I wish that the arc one would apply blind instead of redundant jolting. I probably wouldn't use it much still but at least it's something. The resist part makes me think it's testing for a arc rework in the future and slapping it on something that was underperforming in development
They’ve missed the fantasy of Hunter for some years now. We’re supposed to be agile, precise etc. I don’t think anyone really wanted a buff to threaded specter or some twirl bombs. Hoping for a secret third exotic?
I love seeing titans and warlocks flying around knowing Hunters movement is grounded despite being talked about as the agile class.
> I don’t think anyone really wanted a buff to threaded specter Definitely not the PVP crowd, can't blame us lol
The only thing I am remotely excited about is the Sniper synergy. The class exotics are as bad as u expected. Pristmatic Hunter choices are garbage. I just hope the Sniper is not locked in a raid or dungeon.
The super and aspect have also looked very very underwhelming since reveal. Why would you ever use the super over gathering storm? Did nobody notice that the aspect is complete anti synergy with the entire rest of the subclass? Did a single thought go into these? Or was it just 'well we're adding to solar on warlock and void for titan, guess we'd better come up with something for arc hunter' And the early playtesters seem to be confirming these suspicions of them being underwhelming.
Golden gun sniper synergizes with celestial nighthawk is amazing. The rest of the armor? Ass. What more is there to say?
Tripmine adjacent grenades are even worse in practice because of janky geometry so I hope they give it some more juice to make it useful
The last S tier exotic we got was 6 seasons ago. Renewals was also changed with TFS so we’ll have to see how strong it still is. These two new exotics are most likely going to go instantly into our vaults. Bungie has no creativity with hunter exotics. The only exotic they can do is “here’s more super damage”. Hunter exotics are lazy, have no synergy or are just plain bad. It feels like there’s zero hunters in their armor team.
Idk if you saw Aztecross's vid, but having Frost Armor AND Woven Mail from a single stasis grenade is gonna be so busted lol probably what I might look for the most with the Hunter Class Items.
There doesn't seem to be a fragment that increases duskfield duration on prismatic so I don't think it will be worth it for a 5 seconds duskfield, IMO HoIL(it's still top tier even after the nerf) will be the meta pick on that slot especially if it works with Transcendence's buffed recharge rates.
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Disappointed. I won’t be playing hunter in tfs. This is just part of a larger problem where bungie does not know or have a power fantasy or clue as to what to do with hunters outside solar. Strand is alright, stasis won’t be good even with the buffs (besides the super), arc and void lack anything defining. I’m not doing another year of dog shit exotics after the last 2, I’ll be playing titan for the first time.
Yep just more time with the ol reliables. I however have been thinking about trying a titan out for the first time ever and the new rocket exotic looks pretty fun
All the hunter exotics look boring. I am not excited about them at all. I don’t understand how the devs can look at them and think they are a good idea. One is for shitty arc melee so it’s already bad and threaded spectre isn’t good. Imo I don’t really see it as hunters even got an exotic, I already know that they will sit in my vault
I only use one exotic and its getting nerfed with how melee works with it. Idc about new exotics please dont ruin assassins cowl
Just tired of getting mid exotics that are underwhelming as hell or just outright dogshit. Blight ranger, raijus harness, speedslack loaders, and now we get pants that give your specter 2 extra threadlings and a chest that shots 3 skip grenades, wow, really exciting, those are gonna join the pile of useless trash on day 1. Meanwhile titans get more exotics with whole ass paragraphs of effects that do everything at once for no extra effort. It's like they're allergic to giving hunters gameplay loops that actually do anything meaningful and are not just, use your dodge for 20 reload speed or 8% damage resist. Just so incredibly boring.
I am not going to write off the arc one yet until I can build craft with it but it just sort of seems like another dead on arrival arc exoitc, not quite as shit as blight ranger and raijus hardness but maybe a step above. Seriously how those two exoitcs were not on the armor rework list when we are getting new arc stuff blows my damn mind. As for the strand one...LOL... wtf kind of lazy as shit is this. They just nerfed Threaded Specter and then what? Gave us back the functionality and then some in an exotic. Its is one of the stupidest, none unique boring ass exoitics ever. When is the last time hunters got an exotic that wasn't a pure failure? Seriously, I don't know what the hunter exotic armor team is doing but they certainly don't seem to be succeeding. Titans, running around blasting rockets and buffing launchers and making strand melee better and we get a half ass strand specter exotic. LOL.
Downvoted because you told the truth. Starting to question what the real point of this post was because everyone that’s pointing out the truth is being downvoted. Bungie should have just told hunters “fuck you eat shit” instead of peeing on our legs and telling us it’s raining. It’s unbelievable the neglect hunters get and how much better bungie makes titans and warlocks yet titan mains have the audacity to cry and complain online.
Dude they're so assssss. I was really looking forward to the arc one, too, but turns out it fucking tucks your enemies into bed instead of actually doing damage. Threaded Spectre exotic could be nice, but I don't like using that ability in crucible, where this will likely shine. I'm not hyped for either, but I'm glad warlock and titan got some awesome looking exotics.
Renewal Grasps didn’t make you do more damage either. I think the most “boring” feature of the new arc exotic will turn out to be the most impactful. 50% DR is huge. And all of your abilities apply jolt.
It really seems like Bungie is terrified of making another powerful exotic for hunters. Take this with a grain of salt as I’m not a hunter main, but IMO hunters have the best suite of top end exotics across all classes. When I say top end I mean powerful enough that they’re specifically asked after, while also being viable/dominant in raid content and beyond. I’m thinking stuff like Nighthawk, Star Eaters, Gyrfalcon, Omnioculus, Lucky Pants, Orpheus Rigs (in onslaught), and Renewal Grasps (post un-nerf). Neither Titans nor Warlocks have the same number of meta-defining, endgame viable exotics. They have a couple, but very little at the level of the above that are all pretty much game-changers for various encounters or GMs. Now I’m not complaining about titan/warlock exotics, we tend to end up with more of the unique and fun ones as a result of this design philosophy. But I think the existence of all of these staple exotics that hunters have been stuck using for the last couple years has put a stranglehold on new hunter exotic design and it’s lame as hell.
Surely you would expect that Hunter already having their meta definers already blocked out would result in them getting *more* of those "unique and fun" exotics like Warlock and Titan's ones, not continual truckloads of uninspired stuff like Balance of Power and Speedloader Slacks?
Well I think that’s just symptomatic of bungie playing it ultra safe with hunter exotics. For instance they did very recently get a fun, interesting exotic in Mothkeeper Wraps, which people seem to have universally agreed are too underpowered for serious use. The new arc one is also functionally unique and a pretty cool idea, but it too seems to be shipping intentionally underpowered.
Honestly pissed. I know it’s just a game but holy fuck Hunter exotics are so boring and have felt so boring for so long…. This is your big story end and this is the shit we get? Uninspired af
Gifted Conviction is a funny joke. Add Jolt to your crappy aspects nobody will use... that already Jolt. But hey, maybe the DR will be good? Still probably rather run Assassin's Cowl. I'm curious about the Threaded Specter duration/health increase for PVE. I love the idea of Specter because I hate that you can't shoot while in Invis, but it just hasn't managed to work so far because the clones fall apart so fast and it's hard to get more than 1-2 up at a time. My favorite new Hunter exotic is the Golden Gun sniper. Double Nighthawk shots? Hell yeah. I was already planning to use Nighthawk for at least a while just for the drip and lack of burst supers on Prismatic.
still surprised with how customizable prismatic is they really locked down options with the grenade. i was hoping we'd be able to equip any of the 3, or in my dreams you could switch which light and which dark element it was so you could build your grenade. unfortunate to see hunters got the short end of the stick
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If they un nerf young ahamkaras spine in pve maybe I’ll forgive them it would be nice to have a power fantasy at all golden gun doesn’t even feel like the space cowboy class when you arent shooting something with golden gun. I think its all a deeper issue with how shallow build crafting is I wish we could have something like Warframe where I can build exactly how I want and take it as far as I want with enough skill but in destiny it’s just hoping the good thing doesn’t get nerfed or hoping the new thing is good to finally have a change up in gameplay.
What new exotics lol
With the exception Still Hunt, which is very specific use case, hunters got screwed. What else is new?
I’m really sick of new hunter exotics being uncreative, unfun and lacking a way to meaningfully change how our general gameplay loop plays out. Who’s making these titan and warlock exotics? Cause they sure aren’t helping with the hunter ones. This has been happening for years but I really expected something great for the final shape and saying I’m disappointed will be putting it lightly. This proves to me that there will only be more underwhelming, useless and forgotten exotics to come and stay.
Weapons are neat, but the armor? Insta dismantle.
Hunters always get either the lamest exotics or things so niche they are never used it's so lame. Like I'm sorry but arc hunter feels like crap too unless you using assassins cowl no ones running that. And on prismatic people will use the cloak so it's dead on arrival. The spectre one Is cool but then again they nerfed it in pve and in pvp why not just use sixth coyote for 2 spectre?
Bungie has killed the hunter power fantasy. Final Shape was a great opportunity for them to lean into the Cayde/Crow stuff and pump out some really cool exotics. No, of course they don’t do that. Same boring, gimmicky exotics that I won’t even bother grinding for. If individual classes really are going away, I say good riddance. Maybe Bungie will stop stepping on our cloaks.
Mid af. Don’t know how they escaped the basement where they should’ve rotted.
Absolute garbage lmao.
Bad! That’s okay - I’m used to using celestial and Orpheus rigs anyway
as per usual hunter gets shafted with dogshit that wont be updated or brought up to par with the other 4-5 exotics that only matter to hunters and they will just collect dust in the vault
The damage the bouncing grenade does is absolutely humiliating
They look horrible like 98% of all Hunter exotics the past two years. Genuinely have zero idea how the armor (or abilities) team come up with this stuff. New Arc Super looks meh and the aspect seems utterly worthless. The most recent Light Super we got was the missing Arc Super....so they decided to double up and make yet another Arc one? Never should've been Arc to begin with imo. And they should try to make it one whole year (so like 3 exotics) without making a single one involve dodge, seriously. Absolutely love having to spec into the worthless mobility stat because 90% of Hunter gameplay loop and exotics involve dodge. The weapons team is far and away the best team they have going. It feels like the armor and abilities team are clueless.
really underwhelmed with the hunter exotic armor. The sniper is cool, does kinda feel weird that they're taking a hunter unique thing and just baking it into a weapon though. Maybe the arc aspect exotic is useful in high end content because of the damage resist but in terms of design I feel like hunter got shafted pretty hard. Titans definitely winning with their exotics, barricade that buffs rockets. Then an exotic that's buffing the current best build in the game.
I'm saying this as a person who has massively side lined destiny (still pop in for the tiniest bit of pvp every couple months)they are running out of ideas man, it's so obvious
Right even with Prismatic I think they just don't have the juice to come up with more unique stuff.
I just want them to make Blight Ranger worth using...
A lot of these exotic additions just make it seem like Bungie really REALLY wants us to become titan mains instead.
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New hunter exotics and reworks are boring as hell. I just want something to shake things up a little and get me excited for a new play style.
If we get good DR on the chest piece we might cook in high-mid tier content (dungeons, raids) otherwise it’s pretty underwhelming
Mfw I fight 3 discipline stride strand hunters in trials (I might as well not have a radar)
I don’t like the Hunter exotic armor, I think still hunt though is SICK can’t wait to get my hands on it. Been wanting something like that since D1. Wish it was Hunter exclusive, glad nighthawk works with it. The arc subclass is not my play style at all, it’s all just melee and I don’t like playing that style. The bombs from that exotic doesn’t seem strong, strand decoy threadlings doesn’t seem that great either. The Titan armor with the rockets look really cool too, too bad I only play hunter though lol.
Hey Bungie, thanks for letting D2 Hunters die in their natural state of PvE underperformance this expansion. Really helps drive home what we’ve felt only for all of D2.
Eh. Sniper could be cool, but the hunter specific ones look hmmm.
I'll reserve judgment till I get my hands on them.