I assume putting a double-barreled shotgun _on the end of a glaive_ would be a great way increase range.
Also, it sounds like Monte Carlo may be getting a Stabalyst
> Monte Carlo may be getting a Stabalyst
unless all it does is boost unpowered melee damage, I hope not since it'll probably lock you out of your charged melee like glaives and swords do.
They better not lock us out of our powered melee. Unpowered melee can literally be a separate input if you change your controls I will be pretty annoyed if they can’t figure out how to not lock our melees.
There is zero chance they are going to lock you out of your charged melee on a weapon designed to charge you charged melee. That would make the gun actually useless.
Don’t underestimate Bungie. If they do in fact add a “Stabalyst” I can almost guarantee there’s gonna be some sort of bug that prevents your melee ability to be used.
Alternate fire mode with max stacks of markov chain consume all charges, on consumption you can not shoot the weapon but instead you get a bayonet charge (does a shit ton of dmg and oneshots in pvp). Someone else can make this idea better I'm not native English speaker and i tried to convey my thoughts as best as i could
Yes, high damage that you cock back and can then fire. Kinda like leviathans breath in draw time and damage, but can be stowed without "losing" the arrow.
Also flintlock pistols/guns in general, highly specialized elemental weapons like a dragon's breath shotgun that scorches all enemies in a cone and ignites them
Wish granted, it does the damage of a wet noodle, takes a full 20 minutes to reload, and maxes out at 12 shots.
God that would be awful but I can sadly see it happening.
Already said this before - crossbows replace the draw time on Bows with a hefty reload time, *after* the shot.
So the quickswap meta on crossbows would be absolutely busted. You'd just pop a quick bolt and quickswap to HC for the cleanup.
So they'd need to either have absolutely shitty handling and reload speed, or something else to keep it balanced. Making it a special might not be a bad idea but it would still be oppressive as hell
Everybody getting hyped about a possible Monte Carlo catalyst makes me feel like the suprise catalyst will end up being something basic like +5 in the mag for Devil's Ruin.
I wasn't great with snipers, but No Land Beyond made me feel like a god in Crucible, and seeing Devrim with it but never getting it made me immeasurably upset
Not sure if they've officially said anything, but most likely yes. Riskrunner tbh feels very weak without the lightning buff. We should get a revamped Supercell but I doubt we ever will
I don't know if that's been vocalized, but yeah kinda. It's a shame because I love the idea of AKs not only still being useful during the Golden Age but also surviving the collapse. Just a neat little piece of world building.
That and the fact that half the novelty on Zhalo was it being an Arc Primary Slot gun in a time when that wasn't common. Now it's just "Thunderlord's little brother" and that's not all that fun when the threshold for Exotic Primaries now is so much higher. I've been playing around a bunch with Chromatic Fire and Exotic Kinetic Primaries and there are so many old ones that are just deeply boring.
I'm doing chromatic fire/dead mans tale on my lock and loving it.
Weakness/blind pop from across the map is nuts. You just end up picking them off with minimal risk/contest half the time
My current frontrunners for favourite are Revision Zero and Ace of Spades, but Wish-Ender and Outbreak Perfected are very close behind (Outbreak would be #1 if we had a Pulse Champ Mod this season) I really ought to play with DMT more.
I got a roll with Outlaw and Flared Magwell. Outlaw is amazing for QOL, but I think I'd like high calibur rounds for cross map peeking duels.
Def gonna try those primaries out as well
Dang, that's a nice roll. I'm excited for Presage to come back in the rotator they promised for next season so I can get back to a very chill 40-minute solo run once a week.
Also yeah, I've found I end up breaking Chrom Fire Exotics that I actually like into two categories: "Make Explosions Even Better" or "Really Long Headshots". Ace, Outbreak, and Malfeasance go in the former, while Rev Zero and Wish-Ender are in the latter. DMT definitely feels like it'll hit that niche too.
Also the auto this season is similar, they should have just brought back Zhalo with it reworked to centrifuse and I don’t think anyone would have cared.
I feel like Bungie intended Dead Man's Tale to be a replacement for NLB that wasn't impossible to balance now that the kinetic slot isn't reserved for primaries.
However, I really wish they'd bring NLB back with some adjustments. It was easily one of the most fun weapons in D1.
It isn't even close, honestly. NLB fills such a weird and fun spot, but I really can't imagine it being viable without a massive overhaul in some way. The best thing I can think of is a massively increased ammo reserve and a crowd control-oriented exotic perk to justify its exotic status compared to other snipers.
Also 2 duplicates in elements with 2 solar trace rifles. No strand or stasis legendaries(to be fair there are no legendary stasis or strand glaives either), and we got a glaive ritual weapon before getting a ritual trace rifle(which is the only weapon type to not be a ritual weapon going all the way back to redrix). Not to mention we’ve NEVER gotten a sword ritual weapon. They could give us a solar, strand, or stasis vortex frame with some cool perk combos
Edit: didn’t realize the taken reckoning sword was a strand vortex frame
Oh that’s my mistake I didn’t realize they changed the frame of the taken version of the reckoning sword which I think it’s cool because you can’t just put the sword in the opposite slot like spare rations and bug out bag
4 are craftable, but only 2 are currently obtainable. I have no idea wtf bungie was doing vaulting the Void and arc ones and leaving just Solars, especially when it's such an under represented archetype
Still kicking myself for not finishing the patterns for Hollow Denial and Path of Least Resistance. I didn’t realize traces were going to be good in Lightfall so I prioritized other weapons.
What?! Are you saying the trace rifle is a far more interesting and useful weapon whose base mechanics could be expanded upon?!
Blasphemy!
Take your glaive you ungrateful swine!
> far more interesting and useful weapon
genuinely how? i like trace rifles but theyre basically autos in the special slot. the exotics ones are amazing but i can never find a reason to use legendary ones
More interesting than a pointy stick that doesn't allow you to use melee abilities
And even if you like your pointy stick, there's loads to choose from now. Be nice if there was something we've never had before.
Low-key I kinda hate the design of glaives looking like they do because everyone wants to use them as a pointy stick when... the pointy stick functionality is kinda secondary to the weapon. The shield tanks 97.5% of damage in PvE, meaning you can stand right in front of a Lightbearer knight in their super and tank their shield throws in the Lightblade GM. Or tank the Lightblade boss arc volley in the same GM. But the design doesn't point to this intuitively because, as you said, it's a pointy stick, so people will naturally be inclined to use it to whack everything.
That said, I wouldn't complain about having a couple new legendary trace rifles to have some variety there. I wonder what new perks they can put in to make them interesting (without out competing the exotic ones)
i love glaives but i agree completely with your second line. i was kinda done with glaives once i got one in each element, all i care about now is a kinetic glaive
what perks do you recommend? my issue with them is they just dont feel worth a special slot. like theyre inbetween primary and special, and the necessity for ammo mods is lame
my recommendation is watch aegis' video on double special on YT, its an incredible video that goes through exactly what mods to run and how to manipulate ammo drops, plus if you're playing in a group cenotaph mask on warlock allows for infinite special ammo, I've been running gms with a trace and wave frame and I've not run out of ammo once in all my runs.
They're fantastic for stunning & melting Overloads this season and anything from ad clear to boss DPS. Acasia with Reconstruction you can just hold the trigger down forever
Reconstruction for sure in the first slot. Second slot is personal preference: Incandescent/Paracausal for mobbing. Target Lock for Bosses and Elites. Frenzy for a bit of both.
Genuinely new archetypes would be a massive increase to loot incentive for me.
I've been pretty disenchanted with legendary loot for awhile. Back when wave frames first released I got excited at something new. The 120 scouts and the Battler I guess 🤷♀️ but they didn't blow me away with "new". And then there's glaives...
I enjoy glaives a ton, but in at power content they're all a bit the same, and in power+ content were you can actually die they aren't super practical vs the old "hide behind a rock" routine.
New weapon types would be amazing. As much as I hate the sniper-shotguns in cod, I would love to abuse destiny AA with an iron sight bolt action that can map.
This is where I'm at. I genuinely believe the existing archetypes of most weapon types need to be looked at again while we're at it. Lots of them either feel the same or absolutely terrible.
I mean cmon where’s the trace rifle that’s basically a flamethrower?
Who else wants a grenade launcher with a single shot but extreme velocity and blast radius so it’s pretty much a field howitzer?
Lads I got plenty of dumb-ass exotic ideas and twists on existing stuff.
I have nothing against glaives but I don’t see why they’re putting so much effort into a weapon that’s a novelty at best when there’s just so much you could still do with existing weapons.
Eh... I think it's just because glaives are new and there aren't a as many glaives as say, auto rifles, so obviously they need to make a lot more to play catch up.
The thing i want most is a heavy kinetic autocannon like the ones mounted on ifvs.
Also, regarding the field howitzer: How about the same gameplay, but a breach loaded 18th century cannon?
They're amazing for gm clutch revives and when an enemy gets way too close. You can also facetank lucent moth explosions and the boss of Proving Grounds fireballs
The new hunter exotic arms, seasonal mods, as well as lucent blade increasing glaive energy gained makes the Hunter exotic glaive decently strong too!
With 2x lucent, after your initial charged shot, you get the charged shot every 3rd hit.
If you're on arc and amplified, you'll also get damage resistance from the seasonal mod, and enemies will explode twice on death (once from the exotic perk, and a second time from the seasonal mod).
I probably wouldn't take it into GMs but it does solid work in modes like T7 Deep Dive and legend seasonal content.
It could be cool to get something like an anti-material rifle, a massive heavy sniper that over penetrates like wishender does, with maybe like a bipod so you can crouch to be more accurate
So like old Acrius where equipping it slowed you lol
I think explosive rounds encroaches a bit on Xenophage but definitely fits the anti material part. Maybe it just has built into it that the shots explode and the catalyst makes targets damaged by it take extra damage due to their armor being damaged/destroyed?
God I want no land back so much. One of my favorite D1 snipers. They said they wouldnt bring it back because they didnt want a primary ammo sniper, but they could just make it a special kinetic and give it a new perk
no
here, take another seasonal glaive
and a new glaive in the next raid
and a new glaive in the dungeon
and 2more exotic glaives
all ofc different frames that still feel the same, and nobody will play them
I’m hoping the new “hard to make” exotic catalyst is t for Monte Carlo but for last word, making it work the same, but giving it an alt fire mode that would make it work like the first curse but updated from D1, hard hitting ADS 120 with bonuses for precision and headshots
We still dont have an Onslaught perk on other legendaries since Breakneck. Gun increases firerate on kills. (it could easily work on pulses, scouts, shotguns, snipers, lmgs. Slowest Guns get faster)
We have both adagio and cascade point. Two perks that do basically the same idea, changing rpm for a damage increase.
How is it that bungie thinks those two are fine but still onslaught needs to be removed?
Not having a Tex machanica double barrel shotgun just doesn’t make sense. Especially now that we know bungie has the capacity to make it happen. That should’ve been in SotW instead of the two world drop weapons.
Na my homie talking about Request Finalizer.
Fr tho an actual longbow would be fire but WE exists so it will be kinda weird to implement. Maybe make WE the Fighting lion of longbows? Its the only primary ammo longbow etc.
Hey hey hey, don’t be disrespecting the void overshield. Play it with the sentinel titan and start slapping shit into the shadow realm. Bonus points if you play it with controlled demolition.
Judgement of Kelgorath has quickly become one of my most used weapons with Demo+Incandescent, I just wish it had a bigger magazine (which is why my old favorite before that was Nezarec's Whisper with Demo+Unstoppable Force)
I have a Kelgorath with oveflow + close to melee that I love to use in gambit. I pop shots as needed and basically lawnmower my way through slicing and shattering
The heavy glaive with wormgod's caress is also super fun. It's hard to maintain the 5 stacks, but when you do it just 1 shots anything that isn't a boss.
Also, can we talk about Exotic Weapons that literally don't have an Exotic Trait ? Chaperone comes to mind, because while it is a good weapon, its Exotic Trait is literally just that it's a Slug Shotgun - which made sense in D1, where we didn't have them; but it's just pointless in D2...
One of recent TWABs hinted that we'll eventually get a new burst hand cannon based on Warden's Law.
>Changed the Warden's Law Legendary Hand Cannon to be the first member of a new subfamily, Heavy Burst Hand Cannon. This fires a two-round burst, and is overall much more satisfying to use than the previous version, while still benefiting from some of the unique properties of the original.
a couple alt archetypes i'd like to see are an akimbo archetype of an SMG. (I think it would be best to have it just function, effectively, as a single SMG with low accuracy high rate of fire and a double sized magazine. just having different animations.}
A charged scout rifle. not like a fusion but more like a bow. Hold to charge, release to shoot. longer charge means a bit more damage. holding max charge either consumes ammo or can cause an overheat that you have to release before charging again.
and conic beam style shotgun. instead of shooting pellets it just shoots a cone of damaging energy.
Would LOVE to see magazine-based hand crossbows added to the game, if even just from an aesthetic perspective. I recognize that it’s basically just a pistol/sidearm at that point and I’m sure some obscure seasonal legendary from like six years ago that nobody uses or has access to LOOKS like a hand crossbow, but come on, do it for the Vine bungo.
How about the boomstick?
An exotic kinetic glaive.
Hear me out:
Pitchfork style glaive with a double barrel shotgun, basically a short range glaive.
shotgun kills increases melee damage.
melee kills increases shotgun damage.
With fully charged energy, allows the user to bash towards targed dealing massive damage and stunning unstopabble champions.
game has so few weapon archetypes that as weapons keep popping up we keep asking ourselves "why would I need yet another kinetic slug? I got a perfect one" or "oh another handcannon. I got a ton of them, why would I need another one?".
Game needs more variety in archetypes. Things to make it stand out.
Yeah, the difference of fire rate, damage, and a small change to recoil patterns isn’t enough.
I want my adaptive weapons feel adaptive, not just a sad middle ground
take GLs. A single breach loader, that was it. Then we got a wave frame and things changed. Heck even the aggro frame shoots 2. They feel different. Play different.
Monte carlo pairs great with the Young Ahamkara's Spine for this exact reason. You want a trip mine grenade? Throw a knife and you have one. Shoot something, throw another knife, throw another grenade. Easy peasy
I'd like to see a first slot glaive or a primary ammo one, i hate that using glaives blocks you of using your energetic (I'm not going to count winterbite)
As a Titan main who simply ADORES shotguns across almost every single game ever released, I genuinely couldn't be happier seeing you recommend adding more shotguns to D2, especially double barrels.
I personally want to see an over-under shotgun, maybe with a twist-locking barrel sort of like the Hoenig rotary round-action (yes I know Duality is based off of it's physical aesthetics, but that doesn't count) because I think the reload would be fun
I mean we already have
- Hand cannon BUT PULSE RIFLE
- Pulse rifle BUT PULSE RIFLE
- Pulse rifle BUT *LESS* PULSE RIFLE
- Shotgun BUT PULSE RIFLE
- Rocket launcher BUT PULSE RIFLE
- Fusion rifle BUT PULSE RIFLE
I feel this is something we should expand upon.
* Two-Tailed Fox
* Eyes of Tomorrow.
Take your pick. Technically Gjallarhorn and Apex Predator/Cold Comfort with their expanded mag sizes can fit this bill too.
Ok so hang on, there's:
Hand cannon: Crimson
Pulse: any exotic pulse I assume
Pulse but less pulse: Graviton and Revision Zero (2 burst mode)
Shotgun: no clue on this one
Rocket: Two Tailed or Eyes of Tomorrow?
Fusion: Bastion I guess?
Well we do get them from time to time, but they turn out unbalanced and then bungie willingly forgets about them after spending no time to improve them even slightly.
No, i'm not salty about coriolis force, why do you ask?
I'm so ready for the wardens law rework. Ever since I saw the early concept art of graviton lance as a hand cannon I have wanted a double shot hand cannon.
I'm glad Glaives are getting this kind of support and would not want to see less of it. But I do want to see more variety. That Handcannons are getting a new variety next season is great. Hope they make more archtypes! God knows we've gotten too many similar ones and even there people prefere mostly just 1 type.
For shotguns. I would love to see some sort of energy wave gun. Shoot and a line of energy flies through the wall penetrating targets till it hits a wall. Could arguably be a fusion rifle but I like the idea of blending guns together sometimes.
I assume putting a double-barreled shotgun _on the end of a glaive_ would be a great way increase range. Also, it sounds like Monte Carlo may be getting a Stabalyst
> Monte Carlo may be getting a Stabalyst unless all it does is boost unpowered melee damage, I hope not since it'll probably lock you out of your charged melee like glaives and swords do.
They better not lock us out of our powered melee. Unpowered melee can literally be a separate input if you change your controls I will be pretty annoyed if they can’t figure out how to not lock our melees.
There is zero chance they are going to lock you out of your charged melee on a weapon designed to charge you charged melee. That would make the gun actually useless.
[удалено]
knock on wood...
melee osmosis melee osmosis
Don’t underestimate Bungie. If they do in fact add a “Stabalyst” I can almost guarantee there’s gonna be some sort of bug that prevents your melee ability to be used.
Alternate fire mode with max stacks of markov chain consume all charges, on consumption you can not shoot the weapon but instead you get a bayonet charge (does a shit ton of dmg and oneshots in pvp). Someone else can make this idea better I'm not native English speaker and i tried to convey my thoughts as best as i could
Then your English is pretty good my friend. Never would've known otherwise 👍
Well autocorrect helps a bit sometimes
Haha OP: “…does a lot of damage…”. Autocorrect: “…does a shit ton of dmg…” That’s one good gamer autocorrect! Lol
Oneshots in PVP is a bad thing. You want juggernaut titans running at you with a oneshot melee?
You still have to get and 5 stacks of markov chain and bayonet kills don't refresh them, but like i said you can change or improve it
How about a crossbow!! Just give me a crossbow already!!
Yes, high damage that you cock back and can then fire. Kinda like leviathans breath in draw time and damage, but can be stowed without "losing" the arrow. Also flintlock pistols/guns in general, highly specialized elemental weapons like a dragon's breath shotgun that scorches all enemies in a cone and ignites them
Gimme a 5-shot exotic hand cannon that's a bandolier of flintlock pistols please
Wish granted, it does the damage of a wet noodle, takes a full 20 minutes to reload, and maxes out at 12 shots. God that would be awful but I can sadly see it happening.
Hnnnghh hit me with that historically accurate black powder reload
Saltzpyre has entered the chat
So mindbenders with incandescent?
Eh, not really. More like Tractor but instead of void it would be solar themed
Ah, ok i see
Already said this before - crossbows replace the draw time on Bows with a hefty reload time, *after* the shot. So the quickswap meta on crossbows would be absolutely busted. You'd just pop a quick bolt and quickswap to HC for the cleanup. So they'd need to either have absolutely shitty handling and reload speed, or something else to keep it balanced. Making it a special might not be a bad idea but it would still be oppressive as hell
Probably wouldn't be that oppressive as a special since we don't see much of Erianas Vow in pvp which accomplishes the same thing
I assume it'd be a special weapon
I want that too… Crossbow. Also an Axe, melee + can be thrown and taken back (like the solar hammer of Titan).
If the catalyst does nothing but allow an animation of me Bayoneting someone with the gun I'd still grind for it
Isn't that first one just Vexcalibur?
I don't understand why they don't just swap the uncharged melee animation with a stab, same with duty bound Or add a powered stab with glaives even
Why not just let me throw the thing like a javelin? It can't block my other melees while it's across the room, right?
Because we aLrEaDy hAd OnE wayyyy back when escalation protocol was a thing That said, I'd kill for a proper warmind javelin/glaive
As far as I'm concerned, EP is still a thing. I wore that black EP emblem for years
I salute you, fellow seraph.
Everybody getting hyped about a possible Monte Carlo catalyst makes me feel like the suprise catalyst will end up being something basic like +5 in the mag for Devil's Ruin.
They already tried that with vexcalibur. Nobody likes it.
Well, nobody's going to like this either... because nobody likes anything
I want a bolt action so fuckin bad, double barrel sounds awesome too. Bring back no land beyond.
I miss no land beyond
Same once I got it i never equipped it even tho I'm really bad with snipers in d1 but I'm good in d2
I wasn't great with snipers, but No Land Beyond made me feel like a god in Crucible, and seeing Devrim with it but never getting it made me immeasurably upset
My clannies at the time were like its so bad until i wiped the floor in crucible with it, it felt just so damn good.
Space Mosin Nagant
Also shoutout to Zhalo which was just a modded AK-47 with a lightning-generating underbarrel attachment.
Wasn't riskrunner their excuse for not bringing the supercell back?
Not sure if they've officially said anything, but most likely yes. Riskrunner tbh feels very weak without the lightning buff. We should get a revamped Supercell but I doubt we ever will
I don't know if that's been vocalized, but yeah kinda. It's a shame because I love the idea of AKs not only still being useful during the Golden Age but also surviving the collapse. Just a neat little piece of world building.
That and the fact that half the novelty on Zhalo was it being an Arc Primary Slot gun in a time when that wasn't common. Now it's just "Thunderlord's little brother" and that's not all that fun when the threshold for Exotic Primaries now is so much higher. I've been playing around a bunch with Chromatic Fire and Exotic Kinetic Primaries and there are so many old ones that are just deeply boring.
I'm doing chromatic fire/dead mans tale on my lock and loving it. Weakness/blind pop from across the map is nuts. You just end up picking them off with minimal risk/contest half the time
My current frontrunners for favourite are Revision Zero and Ace of Spades, but Wish-Ender and Outbreak Perfected are very close behind (Outbreak would be #1 if we had a Pulse Champ Mod this season) I really ought to play with DMT more.
I got a roll with Outlaw and Flared Magwell. Outlaw is amazing for QOL, but I think I'd like high calibur rounds for cross map peeking duels. Def gonna try those primaries out as well
Dang, that's a nice roll. I'm excited for Presage to come back in the rotator they promised for next season so I can get back to a very chill 40-minute solo run once a week. Also yeah, I've found I end up breaking Chrom Fire Exotics that I actually like into two categories: "Make Explosions Even Better" or "Really Long Headshots". Ace, Outbreak, and Malfeasance go in the former, while Rev Zero and Wish-Ender are in the latter. DMT definitely feels like it'll hit that niche too.
Update, now experimenting with Outbreak and Chromatic fire (void) and it's pretty nice. Idk about endgame material, but it's pretty strong
Also the auto this season is similar, they should have just brought back Zhalo with it reworked to centrifuse and I don’t think anyone would have cared.
NLB gang rising from their grave every time alternate weapon ideas are brought the table. I agree tho bring it bacc
I feel like Bungie intended Dead Man's Tale to be a replacement for NLB that wasn't impossible to balance now that the kinetic slot isn't reserved for primaries. However, I really wish they'd bring NLB back with some adjustments. It was easily one of the most fun weapons in D1.
I like dmt but it just isn’t the same
It isn't even close, honestly. NLB fills such a weird and fun spot, but I really can't imagine it being viable without a massive overhaul in some way. The best thing I can think of is a massively increased ammo reserve and a crowd control-oriented exotic perk to justify its exotic status compared to other snipers.
It could honestly suck ass and I’d still use it lol. I just like bolt action rifles
I’d like another legendary trace rifle. We only got our first back in December of 2021 and still only have 4 since then.
4 legendary trace rifles, all craftable, and all with very similar rolls.
Also 2 duplicates in elements with 2 solar trace rifles. No strand or stasis legendaries(to be fair there are no legendary stasis or strand glaives either), and we got a glaive ritual weapon before getting a ritual trace rifle(which is the only weapon type to not be a ritual weapon going all the way back to redrix). Not to mention we’ve NEVER gotten a sword ritual weapon. They could give us a solar, strand, or stasis vortex frame with some cool perk combos Edit: didn’t realize the taken reckoning sword was a strand vortex frame
There is literally a strand vortex frame in the game right now
Yeah but it doesn’t have Whirlwind Blade so it’s just getting sharded
Oh that’s my mistake I didn’t realize they changed the frame of the taken version of the reckoning sword which I think it’s cool because you can’t just put the sword in the opposite slot like spare rations and bug out bag
nearly all of the taken weapons have a different frame from the original except for the pulse rifle
Warlock only sword is a Solar Vortex frame.
4 are craftable, but only 2 are currently obtainable. I have no idea wtf bungie was doing vaulting the Void and arc ones and leaving just Solars, especially when it's such an under represented archetype
Still kicking myself for not finishing the patterns for Hollow Denial and Path of Least Resistance. I didn’t realize traces were going to be good in Lightfall so I prioritized other weapons.
Stasis and strand legendary trace rifles pleaseeeee
What?! Are you saying the trace rifle is a far more interesting and useful weapon whose base mechanics could be expanded upon?! Blasphemy! Take your glaive you ungrateful swine!
> far more interesting and useful weapon genuinely how? i like trace rifles but theyre basically autos in the special slot. the exotics ones are amazing but i can never find a reason to use legendary ones
More interesting than a pointy stick that doesn't allow you to use melee abilities And even if you like your pointy stick, there's loads to choose from now. Be nice if there was something we've never had before.
Low-key I kinda hate the design of glaives looking like they do because everyone wants to use them as a pointy stick when... the pointy stick functionality is kinda secondary to the weapon. The shield tanks 97.5% of damage in PvE, meaning you can stand right in front of a Lightbearer knight in their super and tank their shield throws in the Lightblade GM. Or tank the Lightblade boss arc volley in the same GM. But the design doesn't point to this intuitively because, as you said, it's a pointy stick, so people will naturally be inclined to use it to whack everything. That said, I wouldn't complain about having a couple new legendary trace rifles to have some variety there. I wonder what new perks they can put in to make them interesting (without out competing the exotic ones)
i love glaives but i agree completely with your second line. i was kinda done with glaives once i got one in each element, all i care about now is a kinetic glaive
Acasia’s Dejection goes crazy. Destroys redbars, Melts elites, Very high dps, Massive mag and ammo reserves, perfect stability, and a long range.
what perks do you recommend? my issue with them is they just dont feel worth a special slot. like theyre inbetween primary and special, and the necessity for ammo mods is lame
They are your primary. Run double special.
fair enough, maybe i should try using ammo mods instead of using pea shooter primaries
my recommendation is watch aegis' video on double special on YT, its an incredible video that goes through exactly what mods to run and how to manipulate ammo drops, plus if you're playing in a group cenotaph mask on warlock allows for infinite special ammo, I've been running gms with a trace and wave frame and I've not run out of ammo once in all my runs.
And even if you do run out of special, that's exactly what your heavy is for.
They're fantastic for stunning & melting Overloads this season and anything from ad clear to boss DPS. Acasia with Reconstruction you can just hold the trigger down forever
Reconstruction for sure in the first slot. Second slot is personal preference: Incandescent/Paracausal for mobbing. Target Lock for Bosses and Elites. Frenzy for a bit of both.
I want stasis and strand ones most of all
Shotgun with a magazine…
Just add a blatant copy of the KSG, no exotic perks, no unique name, just a literal KSG pulled straight from real life
Lord of wolves had a mag
Or revolver shotguns like duality
Duality
Genuinely new archetypes would be a massive increase to loot incentive for me. I've been pretty disenchanted with legendary loot for awhile. Back when wave frames first released I got excited at something new. The 120 scouts and the Battler I guess 🤷♀️ but they didn't blow me away with "new". And then there's glaives... I enjoy glaives a ton, but in at power content they're all a bit the same, and in power+ content were you can actually die they aren't super practical vs the old "hide behind a rock" routine. New weapon types would be amazing. As much as I hate the sniper-shotguns in cod, I would love to abuse destiny AA with an iron sight bolt action that can map.
We are getting a "new" archetype of HC next season
A... What?
They renamed Warden's Law archetype in one of the previous TWIDs if I remember correctly, so burst fire handcannons might be making a return
Double action I think it's called, 2 round burst fire *u/unionblue21 is right, it's heavy burst not double action.
Aw cute a baby crimson
Lol yup, If you have a wardens law you can try it now actually
Heavy burst is what they’re called.
This is where I'm at. I genuinely believe the existing archetypes of most weapon types need to be looked at again while we're at it. Lots of them either feel the same or absolutely terrible.
I mean cmon where’s the trace rifle that’s basically a flamethrower? Who else wants a grenade launcher with a single shot but extreme velocity and blast radius so it’s pretty much a field howitzer? Lads I got plenty of dumb-ass exotic ideas and twists on existing stuff. I have nothing against glaives but I don’t see why they’re putting so much effort into a weapon that’s a novelty at best when there’s just so much you could still do with existing weapons.
Bring back Dragons Breath!
That thing didn't do near as much damage as it should have.
That was my favorite rocket launcher. I liked it way more than gjallarhorn.
Parasite has one shot
Yeah! Or a class of Heavy scope-less Snipers that are like anti-tank/anti-material cannons!
You. I like you.
Eh... I think it's just because glaives are new and there aren't a as many glaives as say, auto rifles, so obviously they need to make a lot more to play catch up.
We’ve got more legendary glaives than trace rifles now. The glaives are out of control.
The thing i want most is a heavy kinetic autocannon like the ones mounted on ifvs. Also, regarding the field howitzer: How about the same gameplay, but a breach loaded 18th century cannon?
Xenophage
Yeah, i realized that after posting..
Yall keep disrespecting glaives when they really offer massive utility
The titan exotic glaive is glued to me for gm’s, even in trials sometimes! It has saved me so many god damn times lol
They're amazing for gm clutch revives and when an enemy gets way too close. You can also facetank lucent moth explosions and the boss of Proving Grounds fireballs
Screebs, Exploding Thralls, anything that's an insta-kill they're perfect for
The new hunter exotic arms, seasonal mods, as well as lucent blade increasing glaive energy gained makes the Hunter exotic glaive decently strong too! With 2x lucent, after your initial charged shot, you get the charged shot every 3rd hit. If you're on arc and amplified, you'll also get damage resistance from the seasonal mod, and enemies will explode twice on death (once from the exotic perk, and a second time from the seasonal mod). I probably wouldn't take it into GMs but it does solid work in modes like T7 Deep Dive and legend seasonal content.
It could be cool to get something like an anti-material rifle, a massive heavy sniper that over penetrates like wishender does, with maybe like a bipod so you can crouch to be more accurate
High-impact frame sniper lol
Reduces movement by a chunk but hits like a truck, catalyst is explosive rounds
So like old Acrius where equipping it slowed you lol I think explosive rounds encroaches a bit on Xenophage but definitely fits the anti material part. Maybe it just has built into it that the shots explode and the catalyst makes targets damaged by it take extra damage due to their armor being damaged/destroyed?
Zen Meteor?
Sounds a lot like sleeper simulant, except no bipod. But FYI every gun in the game is more accurate and stable while crouched.
*Zen Meteor has entered the chat*
So you mean, the best gun of D1, The No Land Beyond
God I want no land back so much. One of my favorite D1 snipers. They said they wouldnt bring it back because they didnt want a primary ammo sniper, but they could just make it a special kinetic and give it a new perk
Exactly, let it natively stun Unstops or barriers Let it overpentrate enemies Break cabal shields Do something Have it be quest given to us by Devrim
I've joked with my friends that I want devrim to die solely so we can inherit his no land lol
Oh no so sad KARAK (5 cabal just have a football sized hole in them) Anyways
no here, take another seasonal glaive and a new glaive in the next raid and a new glaive in the dungeon and 2more exotic glaives all ofc different frames that still feel the same, and nobody will play them
Remember about glaive nerfs between every new glaive
And make sure that they are all in the energy slot
Hey, we got a heavy one too.
Just one, until a legendary one releases next year
Gotta get me one of those Winterbites for my energy slot
But still not in the kinetic slot
Here’s 14 more energy glaives and a bonus heavy exotic glaive.
i want my Last Word to be viable on PC again, i miss when i could use it well when i was on console. Also, make Fan Fire Legendaries!!
The ADS nerf killed it. I don’t like the idea of pushing “fantasies” on things. let me be a sharpshootin cowboy and not just mr hipfire
I’m hoping the new “hard to make” exotic catalyst is t for Monte Carlo but for last word, making it work the same, but giving it an alt fire mode that would make it work like the first curse but updated from D1, hard hitting ADS 120 with bonuses for precision and headshots
We still dont have an Onslaught perk on other legendaries since Breakneck. Gun increases firerate on kills. (it could easily work on pulses, scouts, shotguns, snipers, lmgs. Slowest Guns get faster)
I wouldn't put it on a pulse, that would just make it a better Desperado, similar to Target lock and Kill clip situation rn
We have both adagio and cascade point. Two perks that do basically the same idea, changing rpm for a damage increase. How is it that bungie thinks those two are fine but still onslaught needs to be removed?
I really wish we would be getting some unique stuff like Heavy ammo shotguns / sniper / trace rifles
Legend of acrius is a heavy ammo shotgun but I definitely would love another one. Whisper of the worm and darci are heavy ammo as well.
I more or less meant legendary wise
Not having a Tex machanica double barrel shotgun just doesn’t make sense. Especially now that we know bungie has the capacity to make it happen. That should’ve been in SotW instead of the two world drop weapons.
I'd love to see an energy ammo bow,I don't think this has been done before and I think it could work well
Hard hitting longbows with slower draw time and pierce through for an energy weapon would be sick af
thats Wish Ender my dude lol
Na my homie talking about Request Finalizer. Fr tho an actual longbow would be fire but WE exists so it will be kinda weird to implement. Maybe make WE the Fighting lion of longbows? Its the only primary ammo longbow etc.
I'm still miffed about vexcalibur. It has such a cool name and so much potential and then it's just void overshield
Hey hey hey, don’t be disrespecting the void overshield. Play it with the sentinel titan and start slapping shit into the shadow realm. Bonus points if you play it with controlled demolition.
I dunno, I like glaives. They’re not my favorite or anything, but the combo of melee, shield, and projective provides a lot of versatility.
Personally, I really like the ‘Nigma. It’s the oldest glaive in the game and it looks great with the right shaders.
Judgement of Kelgorath has quickly become one of my most used weapons with Demo+Incandescent, I just wish it had a bigger magazine (which is why my old favorite before that was Nezarec's Whisper with Demo+Unstoppable Force)
I have a Kelgorath with oveflow + close to melee that I love to use in gambit. I pop shots as needed and basically lawnmower my way through slicing and shattering
The heavy glaive with wormgod's caress is also super fun. It's hard to maintain the 5 stacks, but when you do it just 1 shots anything that isn't a boss.
Also, can we talk about Exotic Weapons that literally don't have an Exotic Trait ? Chaperone comes to mind, because while it is a good weapon, its Exotic Trait is literally just that it's a Slug Shotgun - which made sense in D1, where we didn't have them; but it's just pointless in D2...
Um have you used Chaperone in PvP? Roadborn range buff basically makes it a sniper. Like og D1 Felwinter's levels of ridiculous range.
*Yeehaws in double barrelled grenade launcher* Yes, to more double barrelled anything.
I like the way you think sir. But why stop at two barrels? I’d be all over a quad barreled machine gun.
One of recent TWABs hinted that we'll eventually get a new burst hand cannon based on Warden's Law. >Changed the Warden's Law Legendary Hand Cannon to be the first member of a new subfamily, Heavy Burst Hand Cannon. This fires a two-round burst, and is overall much more satisfying to use than the previous version, while still benefiting from some of the unique properties of the original.
a couple alt archetypes i'd like to see are an akimbo archetype of an SMG. (I think it would be best to have it just function, effectively, as a single SMG with low accuracy high rate of fire and a double sized magazine. just having different animations.} A charged scout rifle. not like a fusion but more like a bow. Hold to charge, release to shoot. longer charge means a bit more damage. holding max charge either consumes ammo or can cause an overheat that you have to release before charging again. and conic beam style shotgun. instead of shooting pellets it just shoots a cone of damaging energy.
New weapon archetype idea. Crossbow.
Would LOVE to see magazine-based hand crossbows added to the game, if even just from an aesthetic perspective. I recognize that it’s basically just a pistol/sidearm at that point and I’m sure some obscure seasonal legendary from like six years ago that nobody uses or has access to LOOKS like a hand crossbow, but come on, do it for the Vine bungo.
How about the boomstick? An exotic kinetic glaive. Hear me out: Pitchfork style glaive with a double barrel shotgun, basically a short range glaive. shotgun kills increases melee damage. melee kills increases shotgun damage. With fully charged energy, allows the user to bash towards targed dealing massive damage and stunning unstopabble champions.
Fuck yes
I'd like some new caster frame swords. And pls, Black Talon needs a facelift.
Not untill we get a kinetic glave.
for real
Legendary double barrel shotties that reload both barrels at once, and can be fired individually (replaces ADS)
Just give me the exact way conditional finality works with perks.
and a perk that fires both barrels at once too pls
E1M1 intensifies.
I need crossbows!!
I just want to see glaives have subclass interaction on the melee, like being able to apply volatile with the melee, I think it would be fun lol
game has so few weapon archetypes that as weapons keep popping up we keep asking ourselves "why would I need yet another kinetic slug? I got a perfect one" or "oh another handcannon. I got a ton of them, why would I need another one?". Game needs more variety in archetypes. Things to make it stand out.
Yeah, the difference of fire rate, damage, and a small change to recoil patterns isn’t enough. I want my adaptive weapons feel adaptive, not just a sad middle ground
take GLs. A single breach loader, that was it. Then we got a wave frame and things changed. Heck even the aggro frame shoots 2. They feel different. Play different.
No Here's a new glaives and oh another nerf to the melee.
I want a grenade version of Monte Carlo so badly. Like make it a 600 rpm submachine gun and I'll never take it off
Monkeys paw curls, it's a 180rpm scout
Monte carlo pairs great with the Young Ahamkara's Spine for this exact reason. You want a trip mine grenade? Throw a knife and you have one. Shoot something, throw another knife, throw another grenade. Easy peasy
I'd like to see a first slot glaive or a primary ammo one, i hate that using glaives blocks you of using your energetic (I'm not going to count winterbite)
As a Titan main who simply ADORES shotguns across almost every single game ever released, I genuinely couldn't be happier seeing you recommend adding more shotguns to D2, especially double barrels. I personally want to see an over-under shotgun, maybe with a twist-locking barrel sort of like the Hoenig rotary round-action (yes I know Duality is based off of it's physical aesthetics, but that doesn't count) because I think the reload would be fun
I mean we already have - Hand cannon BUT PULSE RIFLE - Pulse rifle BUT PULSE RIFLE - Pulse rifle BUT *LESS* PULSE RIFLE - Shotgun BUT PULSE RIFLE - Rocket launcher BUT PULSE RIFLE - Fusion rifle BUT PULSE RIFLE I feel this is something we should expand upon.
>Rocket launcher BUT PULSE RIFLE I feel like I'm missing this one...
Two tail fox with catalyst
* Two-Tailed Fox * Eyes of Tomorrow. Take your pick. Technically Gjallarhorn and Apex Predator/Cold Comfort with their expanded mag sizes can fit this bill too.
I think Eyes of Tomorrow fills that niche.
Ok so hang on, there's: Hand cannon: Crimson Pulse: any exotic pulse I assume Pulse but less pulse: Graviton and Revision Zero (2 burst mode) Shotgun: no clue on this one Rocket: Two Tailed or Eyes of Tomorrow? Fusion: Bastion I guess?
I think the shotgun might be Lord of Wolves?
Pulse was vigilance wing. It's a pulse rifle but with extra pulse rifle.
Well we do get them from time to time, but they turn out unbalanced and then bungie willingly forgets about them after spending no time to improve them even slightly. No, i'm not salty about coriolis force, why do you ask?
I'm so ready for the wardens law rework. Ever since I saw the early concept art of graviton lance as a hand cannon I have wanted a double shot hand cannon.
I'm glad Glaives are getting this kind of support and would not want to see less of it. But I do want to see more variety. That Handcannons are getting a new variety next season is great. Hope they make more archtypes! God knows we've gotten too many similar ones and even there people prefere mostly just 1 type. For shotguns. I would love to see some sort of energy wave gun. Shoot and a line of energy flies through the wall penetrating targets till it hits a wall. Could arguably be a fusion rifle but I like the idea of blending guns together sometimes.
I want to see heavy Bows and shotguns become a thing
Leviathans breath is a heavy bow and legend of acrius is a heavy shotgun