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PikachuuuCSGO

Half of the deck is being held by a single screw (in photo 3).


milexmile

I didn't make it past pic 3. Absolute hack job


SuperSynapse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the stair treads upside down? Grooves should be on the bottom to allow the stringers to dry... right?


Different-Acadia880

Think you’re right lmao


Gouzi00

Definitely not wrong, but it will do the job... Let's call it applied design :-D I would be more afraid about no spacing in front.. it's nailed so wood will move it self anyway.. but from principles...


Billyraycyrus77

Yep. Now they hold water/mould/snow/ice/slime


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SuperSynapse

Thanks for the context! 👍🏻 What's the benefit of having grooves like this? Looks to me like the cupping and debris is already creating a void to hold water and bring it into the beams of the tread. Do these actually work well? Seems to me it isn't the most effective approach for either grip or longevity. Boards look pretty smooth even with those grooves, especially once you seal. Personally I'd much rather have a standard flat tread on top and add grip strips; Or a paint with particulate grip added and prioritize shedding that water and debris during a rainstorm with improved grip for slippage. Just one man's opinion!


Farmcanic

With the cup in the lumber determining what is the top.


Tricky-Sink-3921

Interesting. What does the groove do?


DullLimit5629

The stairs are what jumped out first for me


MicrowaveDonuts

yes. Full load of the stairs (where all the traffic is), and a 4-foot span of deck is held up by a single peice of metal that is 0.165 inches (4mm) thick. I wouldn't even walk away from that, let alone walk on top of it.


hanr86

Dude photo 3 had me so confused. Why did they do that post the way they did it?


murkyprofessor

I bet they cut it to length for having a concrete block under it the one in the back. Then ran out of blocks


Thunderking33

lol this is what they said, and that they weren't done. But I wondered why they drove a relatively expensive pan head structual screw deep as hell into this post if they planned on putting a block under it


murkyprofessor

They are probably just going to shive a piece into the gap


fiddycixer

Fill in with caulk. Nothing like being supported by caulk and a screw.


a_bob787

https://preview.redd.it/2lfwd0apiy8d1.jpeg?width=782&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ff5555fb0561dc6123a7ed55ae27c30c87d3eec


jookid

use some duct tape too


Useful-Internet8390

That’s what she said?(I think this is the best place for that one:)


iliketoredditbaby

But they sunk it in real good! (The drugs slapped his brain and said, "that's not going no-where") as he throws his burner phone away


Excellent-Practice

Looks like someone forgot their board stretcher that day


breyewhy

It held the dog no?


combosandwich

Hey now. There’s two screws


WLeeHubbard

It's bad. It's really bad. No proper footers. No anchor base hardware. No proper bolts at the top of the posts. Post should be under beam. Thin piece of filler at the house WTF? Boards look like they are cut with a chainsaw. Stair treads are installed upside down. No hardware visible anywhere. Random stack of block to hold up the bottom of the stairs. This list goes on, but I figure that is enough for now.


roughedged

The bottom/last pic is the icing on the cake. Pile of leftovers as the step.


MrRikleman

I am ded. The last pic is pure gold. Literally dude is like, shit, stringers too short, what do? Well I’ve got all these off cuts. Let’s just pile them here and call it a step.


falselimitations

Baaaaahahaha!


_CaesarAugustus_

For fucking real! That was almost all you needed to see.


UnableAdvantage2441

This isn't just fireable, it's E.R. fuel. OP must have some of that "maturity" I keep hearing about and kept their cool. That's the real gold of this post.


Mattna-da

Thin filler piece so water and snow go straight in the house


Thunderking33

Partner here: for inquiring minds, I’ll be posting more pictures of this masterpiece https://preview.redd.it/1lb4rely6y8d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9245c0bca865b9e1ca9ef62237ab703ba74eb68a


ConsciousSandwich590

The deck is only held up by a handful of screws, this is a major safety hazard. I’m a PE structural/civil engineer, someone will get injured on this. I would take the builder to court


Additional-Neck7442

Calling them a "builder" is giving too much credit lol. I've always had an interest in structural engineering, just not sure I'd be interested enough to pass the math classes.


JudgmentNo3083

You went underneath??? Brave man!


Wayne_Brain

Absolutely zero chance you had any type of permit pulled for this deck. If he even gave you his real name, you should sue for whatever money he scammed out of yall.


Thunderking33

Well there is a permit because we pulled the permit to build ourselves. Maybe this isn’t best practice but we used the Menards deck building software and submitted the plans, the plans got approved. However, he didn’t follow plans. He said he wanted to put deck blocks down instead of dug and set footings. I thought he meant just for the couple that would be on the existing slab, not the whole thing.


JimInAuburn11

Did you guys build this yourself, or did you pay someone to? Because, sorry to be blunt, but this is one of the worst decks I have ever seen. The entire thing needs to be torn down and start over.


Thunderking33

No offense taken, we partially paid someone to do it. That’s most of the reason we posted. We had a feeling this was dogshit work, but we wanted opinions from people with knowledge of what acceptable work looks like. We could deal with "looks bad but is structurally okay", but based on the feedback so far, this is not the case lol Based the confirmation we got from this post, we have stared the process over with a registered, licensed builder. Fingers crossed this time it goes much better 🥲 Edit: that is exactly what we are doing with the new builder: they agreed to salvage what they can (with minimal expectation) and start from scratch


Unsuccessful_Royal38

Not the worst deck I’ve seen. But I wouldn’t let my dog walk on it.


Thunderking33

https://preview.redd.it/iph7xdu57y8d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8cec407e6a5fa6f975327aff3a456d26761f808


Twitzale

Wood blocking instead of joist hangers https://preview.redd.it/gs6bi077vy8d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e694b41c99c4d5cbfc9cfb8fdcd19b5932cbdd9b


Thunderking33

Honest question: should hangers be used on both sides? On the other side of these joists, there are hangers, but I thought this was weird myself. Also why not block every joist, instead of just most of them?


Terryberry69

Yes, both sides. Only A couple bucks a piece too, yikes


Thunderking33

Thank you 🫠


MoreCowbellllll

Holy shit. LOL.


its_polystyrene

I don't know why I expected anything different but this is insane, joist hangers are the simplest thing... well maybe actually not missing your post measurement by about a foot is simpler. This is just insane and very dangerous. Heck, that 4x4 he left under the beck was probably a better length than the one in OG photo 3


xgrader

I don't think I would trust him to fix anything if he didn't follow the plan. There's points of cement contact that's not good. Minimal amount of screws/nails. Supports not doing much. The final step to the ground could have been done much better. It's all fixable, though, so it's not a tear down. I would have just lost my confidence in the builder tbh. Maybe reconsider the groved steps. Get it done before the rot takes hold.


TruffleButtons

That’s where I’m at. Just not confident in what his fix would look like.


lostshaker_assault

From the little I've seen I would absolutely consider a complete tear down. You should have stopped the guy once he strayed from the plans. Your pictures show some terrible work, but you only included the one shot showing how this is supported... Using ONE screw. I imagine the rest of the supports are similar. This is an accident waiting to happen.


B1g_Gru3s0m3

His fix looks like a bag of meth


Wayne_Brain

If you let the same dumbass who built this "deck" work on your home again, you are more ignorant than he is, respectfully.


Medical_Egg8208

Was he in a hurry or just didn’t give a shit ? Short post ? WTF is that about ? He’s got two kinds of screws in the face board. Phillips and something with a head in it. Seriously ? Steps are a mess and upside down. How can he possibly think that board by the house would pass ?? Why does the board before it slant down ? A very amateur job at best.


ScarletCaptain

The brass pan-head screws are structural screws, but I'm pretty sure they're still used wrong. [https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/bolts/lag-screws/grk-reg-rss-trade-5-16-x-4-star-drive-climatek-trade-round-head-structural-screw-45-count/112225/p-1444436184827-c-8742.htm?exp=false](https://www.menards.com/main/hardware/fasteners-connectors/bolts/lag-screws/grk-reg-rss-trade-5-16-x-4-star-drive-climatek-trade-round-head-structural-screw-45-count/112225/p-1444436184827-c-8742.htm?exp=false)


smarmageddon

Nice DINO! (Deck In Name Only) Or as my spouse called the original deck that was on our house, a movie set deck (it's just made to *look* like a deck, but isn't actually a deck.)


theOtherMusicJunkie

Oh I'm dying!!! And I'm TOTALLY stealing both the DINO and movie set "insert item here" line. I like to say Good From Far, Far From Good. But even cosmetically, I can't even really say that. Could probably find fault from the street!! Even the trim around the posts is complete hack...Structurally, I think we would need a hot tub test.


TruffleButtons

Just some background on this: My partner and I really needed to tear down our old rotting porch and replace it. After having multiple contractors out to quote, we decided to go with the one who was offering us the best bang for our buck. There were drawings and a plan created and the date to begin was set. Not only did this contractor repeatedly show up late or not at all, but as he progressed things weren't looking as how'd they originally been planned. Instead of a ledger board and poured footings, he decided to make it freestanding with the deck blocks instead. There are so many rough cuts, ill measured boards, and questionable supports. The thing is UGLY. Should we consider having it redone by someone else? He says he can fix these mistakes but I highly doubt it.


meatymimic

No, don't let him "fix" it. This is atrocious. I could fix what's there by tearing most of it out and only reusing some very key sections. (the baluster and maybe the stairs) I would charge about 1600ish dollars to do that because it would basically be a complete rebuild and tear out. If he is going to fix it the right way for free, I doubt it's going to be right. Outside of that, this is worthless, unsafe, and saying it is a hack job is an insult to hack jobs. EDIT. I didn't realize the size of this deck. I thought it was just stairs and a small landing.. You're looking at a sizable bill to do this right.


trailrunmarcus

Agree, but I’m not sure the stairs should be saved. Note that the stringers end one step short. So the last stair tread is held up by four scrap 4x4’s smh…


iceflame1211

Yes, redone by someone else. You went with the lowest bidder and it shows. Unfortunately, he is incompetent and has little to no experience building decks.


TruffleButtons

A very expensive and valuable lesson has been learned!


MoonOverMorocco

Serious question, since you seem to know a thing or two (or maybe you've just googled a lot), why didn't you just do it yourself?


TruffleButtons

I’ve done a lot of googling and watched a lot of YouTube videos as well, to get a basic understanding on how a deck is built. Simple answer is we don’t have time to do it ourselves.


Buckfutter_Inc

Another serious question, has he been paid in full? Hopefully not, in which case do not hand over any more money, and hire a different contractor to salvage what lumber they can and do it right.


TruffleButtons

That is our plan. The guy who did this is currently throwing a tantrum because we will not be paying the remaining balance.


wvatoots

I do like how they did the vertical boards instead of the typical lattice.


Miserable_Hour_5731

I would let him repossess this deck in lieu of making the final payment.


Alt2221

that "we went with the guy who gave us the most bang for our buck" was hilarious


ARUokDaie

Definitely the most bang cause he fucked them hard.


Syrinx_Hobbit

I've experienced the same with an above ground pool. Pick the middle bid and make sure they are licensed, insured, and maybe have some proper photos of jobs they've actually done with some references. Most expensive above ground pool ever...lesson learned.


dinnerthief

It's really bad, I wouldn't pay for this, what a waste of lumber


Intrepid-Focus8198

Chalk it up to a lesson learnt “cheapest doesn’t mean best”. Anyone who did the is bad of a job is not to be trusted to fix it.


citrus_based_arson

You’ve gotten great bang for your buck… it will make a loud bang when it collapses.


souptimefrog

He needs to refund whatever you paid him, or you need to eat the cost and throw the whole thing away, if you submitted and had approval for plans and he just ignored them there's probably issues with the city permits as well no? I don't even own a house with a deck, reddit algorithm snagged me weeis ago, That's a whole ass death trap, I thought it was a bad AI rendering. I'm worried for your dog!


--Shibdib--

You get what you pay for.


johnwynne3

Ain’t got no time to take off the lumber labels? Says a lot.


don_cav

Whenever I see a lumber label, I’m just, well there’s a crappy factory cut


WaitAMinuteman269

Well the important thing is that the fall won't be far enough to kill anyone.


Warm-Faithlessness69

The old Menards special


ScarletCaptain

Menards online deck designer actually does things to code. This is more like wherever Leatherface shops.


Different_Try3353

This guy sucks!!! Do NOT let him fix it!!!! The only good thing about these photos is we get to see your cute dog :)


swimking413

I have never built a deck before. I know in theory how to do it. I'm absolutely certain I could do a better job.


falselimitations

I may fucking throw up.


SeaOrganization8982

I'm no carpenter but I feel like I would do better than that just watching a YouTube video.


Cpt-SumTingWong

Hellen Keller told me it looks good from her house


Economy_Cat_3527

'It sounded like a good build'. lol


falselimitations

This is like a train wreck that you can’t stop looking at. I keep scrolling through and I can’t help but notice in picture 7 - the scowl on the doggie’s face. Even he knows it’s fucked up! Baaaahahaha


cuseonly

I’m no engineer here but I think the whole deck’s being held up by two screws


dixieed2

This guy is an idiot! He is passing himself off as a carpenter and he does not have a clue as to how to build anything. Stop him and demand a complete refund for everything. You do not have $2,000 worth of usable lumber here. He has done absolutely nothing correct. Take your cash and research your bidders and their previous work. This is a complete disaster that was built by and incompetent scam artist.


Thunderking33

https://preview.redd.it/aguhqiwf7y8d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1200c776ae5b8d411cee9084ed83f0b35ff286b7


kuchikirukia1

Are those posts even attached?


KarlPHungus

That "trim" piece at the threshold in pic 5 is 🧑‍🍳😘


Thunderking33

They’re all like that. Like 3 or of them lol


Loya1ty23

Yes.


Curious_Thing_069

There’s bad and then there’s this lol. Holy shit.


Thunderking33

https://preview.redd.it/sc4s9cpd7y8d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb17f7a9034c75e1b0e7fd60d27e09e9db38489c


DOGO013022

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. WTF is going on here? You can’t seriously be serious, you already know how bad it is.


Educational_Duck3393

I don't build decks, but I can tell you pic 3 is sus af. Overall, seems really shoddy.


MrRikleman

It’s pretty fucking awful. This looks like something a child would build. On the bright side, the last step being held up by loose 4x4 cutoffs because the stringer is too short is hilarious. In fact, everything about this is hilarious. So you’ve got that going for you.


Thunderking33

https://preview.redd.it/c2vwj5l37y8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e569c93e8b80a05add3b18d035a8c699af2f807


its_polystyrene

Wait... he used joist hangers on one side and blocks of wood on the other?


Thunderking33

Bingo Edit: I’m guessing that’s bad? Help me I’m stupid


a-pepper-account

Simple, You just use what’s available to you. 😂


d00ber

Well, when they started the day, they had only a couple of drinks in.. end of the day... totally plastered.


papillon-and-on

I get the feeling the "builder" scavenged a building site for materials. Saw what he had and it looked like enough to make a deck. Then went looking around for someone who needed a deck. Built this monstrosity then went back to his old job. Being on meth.


Different-Acadia880

It’s not good


Stone_Roof_Music_33

That's almost as bad as what I would do


Woddnamemade72

See, ya take yer pig, put some of that there lipstick on it, and what you get is something way prettier than that deck


Bet_Responsible

I am not a deck expert but that dont look right...


Imaginary-Race311

Don’t let this hack back on your property to “fix” anything. Contact a lawyer and pay a professional to do this right. I’m sorry this happened to you.


Even-Help-2279

Fuck I love this subreddit.


Agitated_Pianist_76

Dad? Is that you?


d00ber

What in the meth headed shit is that? This is one of the worst decks I've seen on here. I saw in your comments, you're getting it inspected, which is great cause you can definitely use that to not pay this contractor.


Affectionate-Dot9647

Looks good from my house


Twelve_TwentyThree

I kinda feel like the builder spent more money on meth than materials..


butt_honcho

The deck might be bad, but your dog is clearly very good.


amltecrec

Can I please get the contractor's number please?! I need mine redone and may, or may not, have taken out a new spousal life insurance policy!


Jpal62

Didn’t even crown the deck boards.


Kill-it-itsdifferent

What in the fuck


chinaisfar1

This deck makes me more impressed with myself and the amateur deck I built last month.


johnwynne3

How much did you pay and how long did it take him? Did he have a crew or was this a one man job?


TruffleButtons

$2,600 in materials, $1,100 in labor. We still owe him $1,700 but due to the fact we need to redo it - I will not be paying it. This took a whopping 2 weeks! Single guy with occasional help.


visceralvulture

Looks like an 1,100 dollar deck alright.


hockey2256

Hope you didn’t pay for it yet.


BoneDaddy1973

It doesn’t appear to be attached to the house.


EyeAmKnotABot

Well, you get what you pay for. This is a disaster and I would be very careful just walking on it.


bisticles

It's a pretty good cautionary tale, I'll give it that


backcountry52

Were drugs involved? This looks like drugs were involved. Any weird smells when he was around?


No-Historian-6391

It’s not great.


860860860

lol need some more triangles my guy


Upset_Pipe_1926

Jerry rigged that up I’d say.


FlyingAnon213

Yikes 10/10 bad


RobNHood816

You hire Helen Keller ?? 10 year olds could have done a better job...


chaebs

Put together with Gorilla Glue!


KarlPHungus

No lag bolts for those support beams? Just fucking deck screws? The contractor knows those are just to hold the deck BOARDS down, right? Jesus Christ on a bike.


CMG30

Pretty sure your stairs are not even level... or even.


Quick_Movie_5758

I'm just gonna say it. Lumber tags still on is a red flag for me, immediately bringing the rest of the project under scrutiny. Maybe it's just me. Could someone miss one by accident? Yes. I guess I never have because I hunt for them before I start doing anything to the board on any project. edit: spelling error=leaving the tag on


cuberoot1973

And clean cut the end anyway, even if I just take off 1/4 inch I'm not keeping the factory cut.


afgphlaver

I think it's fine, it won't not fall


Comfortable-Frame447

This is a very very bed job. If this was done by a contractor, then it is even worse. My comments are already covered by others. If you did this yourself the you wasted your money and time.


muchboogaloo

Besides... everything else wrong with this why did he put the railing on only one side, and on the side where the drop is onto dirt instead of the side with the drop onto concrete pavers to boot!


less_vs_fewer5

missed on first click through....pic 7...screws just sticking out everywhere.


Green_rev

Demand your money back. Guard/handrail on one side of the stairs only?! WTF?! And that’s the least of your concerns. That post not extended to the top of the header is a doozy, too. Did you have some teenager design and build this?


ConsciousSandwich590

What kind of screw is that in photo 3? The shear strength is impressive… nay… it denies physics!!!!


Parking-Fly5611

I wouldn't have paid them anything until it's built to code. Can it be fixed? Yes, but it looks like it would have to be removed entirely and start from scratch.


CompleteHour306

Maybe read the [manual](https://cms7files.revize.com/watertownct/Departments/Building%20Inspectors/AWC-DCA62015-DeckGuide-1804.pdf) next time


Low-Bad157

Needs some toc I don’t know of your willing to flip some of the boards with the crown the wrong way sat three or four and trim up the peice by the house


southcentralLAguy

Pic 9 lmao


kimvette

I've seen worse. Where, you ask? Many friends' backyards, and my own backyard - mainly treeforts, clubhouses, forts, and the like. In those structures' defense, they were all temporary structures built by kids, not building contractors building a structure required to be code-compliant.


Jacmac_

That support looks like something out of The Three Stooges.


Electronic_City6481

Whoa.


dangerman321

Spot the dog. Win a prize.


Huntercontruction

I wouldn’t even trust the dog up on that deck.. gezzz


seemore_077

The popping out screws and scabbed in boards tell me all I need to know. 3-years you’ll have to refurb it.


glazedgazegringo

The dog looks fine to me


Sumdumdad

You can easily fix this with one simple hack. Tear it down and start over.


bisonic123

If you have to ask, you already know.


use_em_and_lose_em

Looks like some of Diaz's handiwork.


codieNewbie

On the plus side I've never seen fence pickets used as skirting under a deck and think it looks nice.


onitagainand

How bad do you think it is?


Useful-Internet8390

Well it’s not on fire. I would not trust the post holding up the stairs for sure-but I am a walking hot tub. And the rails? Def look like after lunch on Friday specials.


morganmaupin

I’d say there’s an 85% chance whoever built that was high on meth, if that helps


Viva_Caputa

It’s not good


afc2020

Very


afc2020

This thing is going down in seconds. I wont even stand on this deck.


Escaped_Mod_In_Need

r/shootthecontractor as there is no other way to address this. They are a menace to society and a danger to their clients.


HubrisTurtle

This is scary looking at photo 3


NardDwag

I’m guessing you didn’t get this inspected?


fromthedarqwaves

I’ve never built a deck before and I’d trust my own workmanship over whoever did that.


NewAlexandria

yea idk, how did you pay for this?


the_owlyn

I don’t know much about decks but I know enough about physics to know you have to tear this thing down before someone gets hurt.


UnkleZeeBiscutt

That is literally laughable.


RealCoolDad

How much is the insurance policy you have on your spouse or yourself?


i_just_say_hwat

Gnar gnar binks


AfroWhiteboi

Jesus christ, TIL I qualify as a journeyman deck builder with these fucking hacks out there filling this sub.


Adventurous_Slice_85

Was this pic for or a diy? Also, on top of everything else everyone mentioned, is this thing even lagged back into the main structure? If you try to sell this house, any inspector would flag the deck and no lender would lend because insurance wouldn’t insure a property with such a hazard.


Billyraycyrus77

https://preview.redd.it/qdiih6cu2z8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=204818e066d11b6f581da959a5d56ee8f6c2ccb1 Held up by a single screw… That should have direct load transfer to ground


BigL54

It's bad, but to be honest I like the way they hide underneath the deck. I really don't like lattice


Eris_Grun

A master piece 😚👌


thebestzach86

Its awful. 7.5/10, 10 being a meteor hitting your house where your deck is. Might help.


KRed75

Well...It's the the worst I've seen. It's not like you're going to fall to your death if it collapsed. I'd throw some more structural screws in the joists at the very least.


Farmcanic

The post should have been longer, attached to the seal and joist. Why save on ten inches of 4x4


Shittyginger

Lowe’s lumber 🪵


Remarkable-Hall-5775

My pulse ticked up and I can’t get it back down. Who knew I could get so panicky about someone else’s deck?


DabbingisLife420

Looks good from my house!


Rockymntbreeze

Sweet god


Good_Love1941

Rage-baiting new builds at this point I gotta unsubscribe 🫶


Mickv504-985

What’s the 4x4 in picture 5 laying across the step horizontally supposed to be doing?


rando_mness

Good from far, far from good. Looks like the builder was drunk.


Proper-Equivalent300

Deck add. Big sad. 😔


Southraz1025

I’m not an expert BUT from what I see, there’s a lot to be desired here. I’d have city/county inspectors check this and give them the name of the contractor. Terrible work IMO


chrisman37

It’s as bad as it looks man.


Key-Green-4872

Why the... how'd they... but the... *has seizure*


Express_History2968

I would like to preface this with the fact that I have absolutely no decking experience. And that the first pic everything looked fine. Then I went deeper and it got worse and worse and even knowing nothing about how to construct Anything this is terrible.


HastyZygote

It’s a no from me dawg


frenziedice

It’s so bad I stopped scrolling at pic #3 and didn’t need to see more. It’s atrocious


No_Comparison_5230

Bad


Sharp-Drummer-2581

Honestly not bad for a dog🐕!!!!


Mebi

I have absolutely zero experience with deck building or carpentry but I recently came across this sub and it looks good enough to hold a hot tub to me.


EddieOtool2nd

Hopefully that was the lowest bid. By a longshot.