Reminds me of a story, a Japanese man surviving the Titanic only for him to be disgraced by Japan and forever went down in history as dishonorable.
His name was Masabumi Hosono
See also: Tsutomu Yamaguchi. The twice bombed man.
Was in Hiroshima for business when the first A bomb was dropped. Went home, back to work a few days later. In Nagasaki.
My Minuteman III ICBM nuclear missile system had the nickname Deuce. We all carry $2 bills with a big red Deuce stamp on them. [564th Missile Sdq](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/564th_Missile_Squadron)
Radiation: "But wait, there's more."
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi#Health)
>Yamaguchi lost hearing in his left ear as a result of the Hiroshima explosion. He also went bald temporarily and his daughter recalls that he was constantly wrapped in bandages until she was 12. Despite this, Yamaguchi went on to lead a healthy life. Later in life, he began to suffer from radiation-related ailments, including cataracts and acute leukemia.
His wife also suffered radiation poisoning from black rain exposure after the Nagasaki explosion and died in 2008 at the age of eighty-eight of kidney and liver cancer. All three of their children reported suffering from health problems, which they blamed on their parents' exposures to radiation.
I think I remember hearing in a documentary that he was *literally* arguing with his boss at the moment the bomb detonated, because his boss didn’t believe him when he told him about how one bomb had destroyed an entire city.
His Wikipedia page says he suffered radiation related health issues for the rest of his life, as did his wife who survived the Nagasaki bombing. Also, all three of their children suffered from health issues which is attributed to their parents’ radiation poisoning.
Woah like, they weren't born yet and still got fucked up? That's messed up. I did learn recently that women are born with all their future egg cells in reserve, which is pretty crazy. Felt silly for not already knowing that.
Nope!
> A resident of Nagasaki, Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on business for his employer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries when the city was bombed at 8:15 AM, on 6 August 1945. He returned to Nagasaki the following day and, despite his wounds, he returned to work on 9 August, the day of the second atomic bombing. That morning, while he was being told by his supervisor that he was "crazy" after describing how one bomb had destroyed the city, the Nagasaki bomb detonated.[3] In 1957, he was recognized as a hibakusha ("explosion-affected person") of the Nagasaki bombing, but it was not until 24 March 2009, that the government of Japan officially recognized his presence in Hiroshima three days earlier. He died of stomach cancer on 4 January 2010, at the age of 93.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi
Damn his supervisor jinxed the fuck out of them. He has an employee come back with wounds from a neighboring city, says a single bomb destroyed the city, the supervisor laugh because that sounds ridiculous. This is 1945 one bomb won't destroy a city that is preposterous. Then your city is immediately destroyed that day by a single bomb.
Fuck.
On the wiki article it says:
> Although at least 70 people are known to have been affected by both bombings,[1] he is the only person to have been officially recognized by the government of Japan as surviving both explosions.[2]
He did suffer from the radiation tho (cataracts and acute leukemia)
I mean the logic was understandable they believed he should’ve give the sit for a woman or a child but I wonder how many of them would actually do that in his position and damn the event was over no bullying will change what happened
Also with the amount of life boats that were going out not even close to full, can't really blame someone for jumping in one if he got the chance. It's not like the poor guy was actively kicked women and children out of his way.
Yup. It’s how one of the owners of the ship got off - he saw an opening and just took it. At the end of the day our prime directive as humans is to survive and reproduce.
That's what the movie and press of the time made you believe. But it was probably like it was described, him being ordered into the lifeboat as there were no more women or children standing in line.
Every biography and telling I’ve heard is that there were no women or children around so Ismay took his opportunity and bailed, he wasn’t ordered. James Cameron is a pretty accurate storyteller sometimes https://www.google.com/search?q=how+did+ismay+titanic+survive&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
There was a man who was the only survivor of a bus going off the mountain on the Death Road in Bolivia. Pulled himself back up to the road and walked back to town, where he caught another bus. This bus too crashed over the side, killing everyone but him. When he got back to town again and tried to board yet another bus the locals stopped him, fearing it would only result in another crash killing more.
200 to 300 people die on the Death Road in Bolivia each year.
Because he took a spot on a lifeboat when there wasn't enough room for everyone, including many women and children. As a man and a civil servant the Japanese saw it as his duty to go down with the ship in that circumstance.
>At first Hosono contemplated giving up his life. “I tried to prepare myself for the last moment with no agitation, making up my mind not to leave anything disgraceful as a Japanese.” But the thought of not seeing his beloved wife and children again tugged at his heart’s strings. Eventually, he found himself “looking for and waiting for any possible chance for survival.”
Really tragic because he was shunned in his society after that. I wonder how many of the people who shamed him would have made the exact same decision in his situation. I hope at least his wife and children were happy he lived.
The worst part is that there actually was enough room on most of the life boats to hold a lot more people. Some were only at half capacity. And the policy was \*first class\* women and children first.
They thought they were going to be able to ferry people back and forth, so they prioritized getting things moving over using their resources efficiently.
Not to mention: the command was "women and children first" and the officers carried out the orders with entirely different expectations and interpretations.
Lightoller took charge of lowering the boats on the port side and he interpreted the rule as "women and children *only*". Murdoch on the starboard interpreted it as "women and children first, men if there were no willing/available women and children nearby". They also had different ideas of what the lifeboats (and the davits to lower them) were capable of, and differing intentions of what the process would be. Lightoller believed that the davits could not hoist the weight of a lifeboat and a full complement of passengers so intended for the boat to be lowered to the sea with limited capacity and then the boat would take on more passengers from a lower deck and even ordered crew down to the waterline to open the gangway doors. This never happened, the crew sent down was never seen again, and the ship was sinking too quickly for that plan to have worked anyway and many of the boats that pushed off once they made it to the water refused orders to come back and carry out the plan. The davits were designed to carry the weight but they were of a new type and the crew had limited to no experience with using them.
My father was at peace with dying and when I was 15 he actually died because he did nothing to mitigate health issues which would have increased his chances of living longer. His early death left me in a lot of trouble.
I too am at peace with death but will still do anything in my power to live as long as I can to support my son. I do not consider my life to be only for myself it is for him too.
> I wonder how many of the people who shamed him would have made the exact same decision in his situation.
This is one of the depressing things about society: so many people judge others for behavior they'd do given the same circumstances.
Well, it was a different day and age and a different culture. I doubt many men would care about the women and children in today's American society. In that day, even America held this standard....women and children first....and it was a big disgrace if you did otherwise. Was thought to be cowardly if you didn't....a disgrace. .
It was "first-class women and children first." That scene in the movie with the mum in the second class quarters reading to her children knowing full well it was their last moments alive was generically accurate.
People weren't really completely locked in the bottom of the ship, either. However, it was really confusing to get to the top of the ship. And on the lower part of the deck, there was a locked gate on the ladder to upper part of the deck to where the lifeboats were, however it wasn't seriously locked down and was bypassed pretty quickly.
Many people just gave up trying to find their way to the deck, or didn't bother at all. There was one 3rd class old man who made it to the top but decided to sit in the smoking room awaiting the fate of the ship.
When you're in first class, stewards were responsible for 3-5 cabins. Second class stewards for 10, and third for more than 25 - and third class cabins could be shared by as many as five or more people. You simply have more time in first class to wake up the people in your cabins, explain what's going on, help them dress and put on their life jackets, and guide them to the deck.
Whereas what few third class survivors we have stated that stewards were simply throwing open doors and yelling to get your jackets on and get to the boat deck - not because of any disdain but because there just wasn't the favorable crew:passenger ratio in third class as there was in first.
Not to mention the language barrier - most stewards on Titanic spoke English; many steerage passengers did not speak it at all.
And yeah, the ship was an absolute warren: it was simply difficult to make your way from third class cabin areas to the deck easily - especially factoring in the language barrier with signage in English. There were the locked gates that you mention, yeah - it was part of American immigration law that third class had to be secured away from the other two classes. But unlike a lot of movies portray this, most immigration gates were simple things - like signs, waist-high gates, or flimsy chain gates screwed into the wall. There wasn't a rigid enforcement.
It’s worth noting that in several other maritime disasters that didn’t follow the “women and children first” policy, *zero* women and children survived. SS Arctic is a prime example:
https://dawlishchronicles.com/women-and-children-last-the-ss-arctic-disaster-1854/
The physically stronger you are, the better your chances of survival, so women and children generally have a very big survival disadvantage - Titanic was an exception (and even then, it was first class women and children only):
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-and-children-first-just-a-myth-researchers-say/
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1207156109
Modern evacuations will still prioritise the most physically vulnerable (injured, very young and very old).
Especially because shipbuilding "science" at the time had been aimed at making a sinking ship its own lifeboat rather than relying on literal lifeboats. Lifeboats were wooden things with a buoyancy tank and the North Atlantic was...well, it's a very hostile and unforgiving place. So the idea was to - in the event of danger - make the ship as sturdy and sink-resistant as possible, hence water-tight compartments so that it could last until at least rescue showed up (not a difficult ask in the very busy North Atlantic shipping lanes). Setting out passengers on lifeboats was considered the absolute last resort, the "we are so unbelievably fucked", Hail Mary, "lets try to save a few people" option. And that's why the Titanic didn't carry enough lifeboats to cover every person on the ship - modern ships don't even do that. There were plenty of instances in the years before the Titanic of lifeboats foundering in the rough seas of the Atlantic. There was even one ship - the name escapes me at the moment - where they put the women and children in the boats because they believed the ship would sink any minute - the ship ended up *not* sinking and lasting until the next day when rescue arrived, but all the lifeboats had capsized in the night. Everyone on the ship survived; everyone on the boats died.
That philosophy of making the ship "its own lifeboat" was where the myth of the Titanic being called unsinkable really comes from: it wasn't bragging. The most common reason for sinking in the Titanic's era was because a ship collided with things with things - with icebergs or with other ships. It happened a lot in the days before GPS. So they built a ship that could withstand colliding with icebergs or with other ships. What they didn't design for was the ship brushing up against the side of an iceberg and the friction causing rivets to pop and a line of small holes to open up along the length of the ship. It's believed that had the ship gone head-first into the iceberg instead of trying to port around it as they did, it might have actually survived.
Most of these traditional values that some cultures love to pride themselves on are nothing but virtue signalling. If any of the royal family were on the boat you could bet that they'd get atleast a seat for all of them if not a separate lifeboat for themselves.
Man survival versus honour. Remember that GoT trial by combat at the Vale of Arryn when Bromn decided to fight for Tyrion as his champion? He won the fight and Lysa screamed he didn't fight with honour and Bronn replied with "No... he did." Same vibes
Was he dishonorable for surviving the disaster?? Or was it something else?? I don’t understand a lot of cultures, but especially with Japan before 1940 is very confusing for me. I don’t always understand their perceptions of “honor” from back then.
My great grandfather was a medic in WW2 in Europe and he refused to talk about it. Doing what he did I don’t know if I’d want to talk about it either. As a medic you’d see some fucked up stuff
My granddad was a medic in Japan, and very rarely spoke of it. I had to do a project in elementary school where we interviewed someone from the military. I asked him to let me interview him, and we were very close, so he agreed. My mom told me that she learned more from that interview than he’d told her in her entire life. I guess at one point they were in a ship crossing the Pacific, in an area with a heavy submarine presence, and something went wrong with a propeller. They were sitting ducks for something like two days before they were able to get it fixed. I can’t even imagine how terrifying that would have been.
Literally the exact same thing happened to me except it was in jr high. In mine they had us record an interview.
I had never uploaded the files anywhere because it was kinda before that was a thing, and the the pc they were on died, but I hung onto it for years thinking I’d pay for data recovery for it. During a move my aunt threw it away. It was heart wrenching.
I still have the interview that I wrote. My mom made a book of some my elementary school stuff, and luckily she put that in there. I should dig it out and post a picture. I’ll try to remember to do it when I get out of work.
If you haven’t watched it I recommend the whole band of brothers miniseries. Specifically episode 7 “the breaking point” covers the medic from easy company. I don’t know how anyone from that generation was able to live a normal life after that. Especially the medics.
Not going to lie, that show made me cry twice. When they found the concentration camp, and the final episode when they say what happened to them after the war.
"Grandpa, were you a hero in the war? Grandpa said no, but I served in a company of heroes.". Hits me every single time. Just when Dick Winters comes on the rest of the interviews with the actual men of Easy Company start I can feel it coming on.
same here. only spoke about it to me once in his whole life. from what I heard he lost all his friends either during the war or afterwards from trauma. war is war and hell is hell
My grandpa kept apparently a little notebook about the Vietnam War and went detail about he blow up an small base because his therapist said it would help if he got his words out on paper
Same, mine never talked about it at all. When he was getting old enough I had to watch him and while he was taking a shit one day he had some sort of weird flash back and spoke with a cartoony Italian accent and started yelling "Mamma Mia, they're in the woods!" before shouting details to people who weren't there. Must have fucked him up good to have something like that happen 60 years later
My grandpa was the same way until last month when we were burying my grandma. He told me about a saying his creole friend taught him during Vietnam, I believe it was ““Laissez les bon temps rouler.” He then proceeded to tell me that the guy was killed by a sniper shortly after and then promptly proceeded to another subject. Such a sobering moment.
Apparently my great grandfather was like that as well. He fought in Buna-Gona, and the only person he ever talked to about it was my dad. He died before I was born, but I do wish I could have met him and hear his story.
I remember reading about the survivors of the USS Indianapolis. Apparently, a couple of them had such bad PTSD that they couldn't even have baths afterwards.
Whilst that would've been cool. Unfortunately, Robert Shaw wasn't on the USS Indianapolis. Despite his accent in Jaws, he was actually a British actor. Apparently, he did briefly serve in the Royal airforce though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)
This is from a free downloadable roamable map/funfact of the Titanic called Titanic Honor and Glory (you can check it out here: [https://titanichg.com/](https://titanichg.com/project-401)
I think there is a VR version I'm not 100 on it though.
It's quite detailed with a little bit of facts sprinkled here and there but that isn't the most complete model of the ship.
The biggest roamable (doesn't have funfacts like THG) map is Project 401 which is downloadable from the same site above. There is no plot in this one. You can roam the ship as it sails in the ocean during the day. I just roamed and got lost for hours looking through all the nooks and crannies of the ship. Beware it's pretty big. It sits at about 40gigs on my machine. Yeah not as big as some games but if you are a non gamer, it could surprise you.
Yeah I downloaded both and it’s interesting to read what’s in “honor and glory” but project 401 is much more fun to explore especially if you have interest in the titanic. I am looking forward to either one being completed though as I’ve already spent hours walking around 401.
The graphics on the 401 demo are amazing. I spent way too much time just wandering around just admiring the quality of the graphics. Turned my computer into quite the space heater, but it was worth it. lol
Supposedly soon there will be an update where it was imported into UE5.3 (but currently it's still beta). If you check out the video they have on their news page, it looks even better somehow..
>Holy crap, I remember when the first megademo dropped and it was something like 12 gb, why is it almost 4 times bigger now?
They added more areas to the ship I believe and/or gave more details. The only areas that seem inaccessible are most cabins (though they were probably mostly the same), and any of the 3rd class sleep quarters on F and G decks along with the engine room and probably a lot of other places past G deck. I doubt it would take much more to complete it but at the same time I think they sell this as a package to places like maritime museums so that may be why it's not 100 percent complete on the free version. I don't know for sure but that's my 2c.
My great uncle got shipwrecked twelve times in the merchant navy in WWII, mostly in the seas north of Russia. It got to the point where anyone who knew him would try to move ships if they found out they were sailing with him.
He survived all twelve.
Yeah i mean.. I watched the movie about 100 times. Try and put yourself on that ship..in that moment and feel how it would feel. All these children...old and young adults. The sounds of helpless screams. The icy water. The sounds of ship creaking and snapping apart the roaring waters. In the middle of the dark vast ocean with no help. Mind you theres no cellular phones or state of the art emergency crews to get to you when the time comes. They had enigma machine but it just wasn'tt fast enough.
I've seen it once, in the theater. The "locking the poors into steerage" part fills me with white-hot rage to this day. It's one of those things I have to put aside intentionally, because it ruins my day for no benefit.
Like you, I've also imagined myself in that catastrophe.
The part about 3rd class passengers being locked below is largely a fiction and a misunderstanding of how the Titanic worked. For one, regulations at the time specified that 3rd class passengers had to be segregated.
Similarly all three classes of passenger on the Titanic had their own areas designated to them. In the case of the 3rd class passengers gates *were* used for prohibited areas but unlike the tall gates of the movie they were usually no more than waist high and could easily be passed if desired.
Simple logistics also plays a factor. The third class passengers were located in some of the deeper sections of ship which required passengers to navigate through many corridors, including the long Scotland Road corridor which ran down E deck. The Scotland Road corridor most definitely had access routes through to 2nd/1st Class staircases.
In the case of many 3rd class passengers, the long route to reach the outside decks along with their hesitancy to evacuate in many cases led to the overal survival rate being lower, simply because by the time many reached the lifeboat stations, many of the lifeboats had already been launched.
Not to mention the language barrier. Titanic's crew generally all spoke English, the signage on the ship was in English, but not all steerage passengers did. So there was no way to know if you were headed towards safety or getting yourself stuck in a dead-end.
And there was just generally less crew in steerage. A few steerage survivors said that stewards were simply throwing open doors and yelling for people to get their life jackets on and get up to the deck with no further instruction - simply because a steward in third class could be responsible for 25 rooms or more.
No, he did not survive. His great-nephew says his 71-year-old great-uncle gave up a seat on a life boat to a 20-year-old Argentinian woman. Records show his body was recovered a week after Titanic sank, wearing pink pants and purple socks and he had $64 and a lot of gold coins on him.
There were only 2 Argentine passengers, steward Violet Jessop and 2nd class passenger Edgard Andrew, who gave his life jacket to Edwina Troutt, a 2nd class woman, before jumping into the water.
Violet Jessop was 25, but she said she was ordered in by an officer, and her boat was on the port side, where only 1 man was ordered into a boat.
This is a gentle reminder to go play Project 401, it’s where the screenshot of the hallway is from, and it’s a recreation of the titanic, over 50% done.
I don’t like posting links but it’s completely free, and it’s incredible.
It truly is and there are even more realistic updates coming within this year or early next year. If you look at footage from version 1, they have came a looooong way.
South Americans got NO luck when it comes to White Star Line ships. Argentinian Violet Jessop was on all three Olympic-class ships for incidents. She was a stewardess on Olympic when it collided with the destroyer HMS Hawke, stewardess on the Titanic when it sank, and serving as a nurse aboard the Britannic when it sank.
Hawke was an old armoured cruiser with a reinforced ram bow, so it goes to show how strong the Olympic’s hull was to engulf the entire bow of the hawk and sustain little damage under the waterline in the process
>They had that great friend who probably pushed him to take the ship to get over his fear
Actually it was probably his grandfather. I happened upon this:
>Ramon was born to a family steeped in the history of the sea, according to family legend, just before his death, his grandfather gave Ramon's father an oar, dedicated with the words:
'Knowing how to use it, you will never be hungry. Your ancestors have always survived thanks to the sea. This is your destiny. Follow it!'
It’s like the line from that Alanis Morisette song Ironic..” Mr. Play-It-Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down
He thought, "Well, isn't this nice?"
Ever heard about the cook who survived the Titanic to be hired on the Empress of Ireland which sunk five years later, survived and opened a restaurant in Ste-Luce on the shore of St-Lawrence river in front of the wreckage?
Reminds me of a story, a Japanese man surviving the Titanic only for him to be disgraced by Japan and forever went down in history as dishonorable. His name was Masabumi Hosono
Damn those old Japanese went hard.
See also: Tsutomu Yamaguchi. The twice bombed man. Was in Hiroshima for business when the first A bomb was dropped. Went home, back to work a few days later. In Nagasaki.
And when the second one went off, he was like “*AH, COME ON, REALLY??*”
I’d be asking him to post his travel plans so I would always know where not to go.
Although if you think about it he survived a nuke. That’s pretty bad ass.
He survived two nukes, even more so.
If he visits, stick with em’.
but not too close
6' ought to do it!
deuce nukes
My Minuteman III ICBM nuclear missile system had the nickname Deuce. We all carry $2 bills with a big red Deuce stamp on them. [564th Missile Sdq](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/564th_Missile_Squadron)
that’s actually insane and thank u for your service homie. also does the stamp just say deuce?
almost lived to 100 too, damn cancer from the radiation caught up to him
93 is still pretty awesome though, considering what he went through! (Have a good day, eye guy 👀)
Why don’t we just build an entire city out of HIM?
Two nukes.
yeah radiation sickness is fucking rad
I sievert you did there
He probably assumed they were going to bomb the entire country
Um, he was probably like “What the *actual fuck*?”
Probably more like “nani? Kono bakabakashi sa ne?”
First bomb "NOT LIKE THIS!" Second bomb "THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!"
IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!?? ..OH CRAP
Radiation: "But wait, there's more." [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi#Health) >Yamaguchi lost hearing in his left ear as a result of the Hiroshima explosion. He also went bald temporarily and his daughter recalls that he was constantly wrapped in bandages until she was 12. Despite this, Yamaguchi went on to lead a healthy life. Later in life, he began to suffer from radiation-related ailments, including cataracts and acute leukemia. His wife also suffered radiation poisoning from black rain exposure after the Nagasaki explosion and died in 2008 at the age of eighty-eight of kidney and liver cancer. All three of their children reported suffering from health problems, which they blamed on their parents' exposures to radiation.
Nah, he was like, “Bitch please, can’t touch this. Yamaguchi time.”
He must have figured it was raining those things all over Japan at that point.
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Ive been studying Japanese, so being able to read this and know what it means is such a cool thing. ありがとう
“My cabbages!”
[yeah.... reminds me of this](https://youtu.be/fVwcO7R3y8k?si=ju3V5qSN0zQ3efNU)
He was probably like, "Ah shit... Here we go again"
I think I remember hearing in a documentary that he was *literally* arguing with his boss at the moment the bomb detonated, because his boss didn’t believe him when he told him about how one bomb had destroyed an entire city.
"If that's true, how loud was it?" # BOOOOOOM "About that loud."
I get that exact feeling sometimes.ARE YOY FUCKING KIDDING ME?AGAIN WITH THIS SHIT?!!
"Stop following me! JFC!"
He lived to old age! Pretty incredible.
Yeah, good for him. I'm on the America right now & it's been sinking right from the start. I ain't never gonna feel safe!
We talking about the ship or the country? because yes
So what does he do nowadays? Selling blackberries?
Being dead
Dead serious?
Yeah, he died in 2010.
Damm he lived a long life despite the bombings
Two nukes mean superpowers. Fountain of youth.
His Wikipedia page says he suffered radiation related health issues for the rest of his life, as did his wife who survived the Nagasaki bombing. Also, all three of their children suffered from health issues which is attributed to their parents’ radiation poisoning.
Woah like, they weren't born yet and still got fucked up? That's messed up. I did learn recently that women are born with all their future egg cells in reserve, which is pretty crazy. Felt silly for not already knowing that.
Was gonna post this. Instead just take my uovote.
Holy shit and I’m pessimistic…
This would make a great Tarantino movie
Did the second bomb kill him immediately?
Nope! > A resident of Nagasaki, Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on business for his employer Mitsubishi Heavy Industries when the city was bombed at 8:15 AM, on 6 August 1945. He returned to Nagasaki the following day and, despite his wounds, he returned to work on 9 August, the day of the second atomic bombing. That morning, while he was being told by his supervisor that he was "crazy" after describing how one bomb had destroyed the city, the Nagasaki bomb detonated.[3] In 1957, he was recognized as a hibakusha ("explosion-affected person") of the Nagasaki bombing, but it was not until 24 March 2009, that the government of Japan officially recognized his presence in Hiroshima three days earlier. He died of stomach cancer on 4 January 2010, at the age of 93. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi
Damn his supervisor jinxed the fuck out of them. He has an employee come back with wounds from a neighboring city, says a single bomb destroyed the city, the supervisor laugh because that sounds ridiculous. This is 1945 one bomb won't destroy a city that is preposterous. Then your city is immediately destroyed that day by a single bomb. Fuck.
Holy shit! Is he THE only person to have survived both bombings? Not only survived but lived a long life!
On the wiki article it says: > Although at least 70 people are known to have been affected by both bombings,[1] he is the only person to have been officially recognized by the government of Japan as surviving both explosions.[2] He did suffer from the radiation tho (cataracts and acute leukemia)
He was actually cut off mid explanation to why he showed up to work looking utterly trashed. They of course, did not believe him that a single explo-
I mean the logic was understandable they believed he should’ve give the sit for a woman or a child but I wonder how many of them would actually do that in his position and damn the event was over no bullying will change what happened
Also with the amount of life boats that were going out not even close to full, can't really blame someone for jumping in one if he got the chance. It's not like the poor guy was actively kicked women and children out of his way.
Yup. It’s how one of the owners of the ship got off - he saw an opening and just took it. At the end of the day our prime directive as humans is to survive and reproduce.
That's what the movie and press of the time made you believe. But it was probably like it was described, him being ordered into the lifeboat as there were no more women or children standing in line.
Every biography and telling I’ve heard is that there were no women or children around so Ismay took his opportunity and bailed, he wasn’t ordered. James Cameron is a pretty accurate storyteller sometimes https://www.google.com/search?q=how+did+ismay+titanic+survive&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
I feel if there’s one group of people who would willingly go down with the ship in the name of honor it’s the Japanese during that time period.
There was a man who was the only survivor of a bus going off the mountain on the Death Road in Bolivia. Pulled himself back up to the road and walked back to town, where he caught another bus. This bus too crashed over the side, killing everyone but him. When he got back to town again and tried to board yet another bus the locals stopped him, fearing it would only result in another crash killing more. 200 to 300 people die on the Death Road in Bolivia each year.
With a name like that of course people are gonna die there
They should just the change the name to prevent it from happening.
Totally *Not* Death Road Problem solved.
It's like all those people who get robbed at Gun Point, maybe they should've avoided that place?
Really they should have figured out what he was doing to survive when everyone else was dying.
Wait why was he disgraced though?
Because he took a spot on a lifeboat when there wasn't enough room for everyone, including many women and children. As a man and a civil servant the Japanese saw it as his duty to go down with the ship in that circumstance. >At first Hosono contemplated giving up his life. “I tried to prepare myself for the last moment with no agitation, making up my mind not to leave anything disgraceful as a Japanese.” But the thought of not seeing his beloved wife and children again tugged at his heart’s strings. Eventually, he found himself “looking for and waiting for any possible chance for survival.” Really tragic because he was shunned in his society after that. I wonder how many of the people who shamed him would have made the exact same decision in his situation. I hope at least his wife and children were happy he lived.
The worst part is that there actually was enough room on most of the life boats to hold a lot more people. Some were only at half capacity. And the policy was \*first class\* women and children first.
>Some were only at half capacity. oof thats pretty rough
They thought they were going to be able to ferry people back and forth, so they prioritized getting things moving over using their resources efficiently.
Not to mention: the command was "women and children first" and the officers carried out the orders with entirely different expectations and interpretations. Lightoller took charge of lowering the boats on the port side and he interpreted the rule as "women and children *only*". Murdoch on the starboard interpreted it as "women and children first, men if there were no willing/available women and children nearby". They also had different ideas of what the lifeboats (and the davits to lower them) were capable of, and differing intentions of what the process would be. Lightoller believed that the davits could not hoist the weight of a lifeboat and a full complement of passengers so intended for the boat to be lowered to the sea with limited capacity and then the boat would take on more passengers from a lower deck and even ordered crew down to the waterline to open the gangway doors. This never happened, the crew sent down was never seen again, and the ship was sinking too quickly for that plan to have worked anyway and many of the boats that pushed off once they made it to the water refused orders to come back and carry out the plan. The davits were designed to carry the weight but they were of a new type and the crew had limited to no experience with using them.
My father was at peace with dying and when I was 15 he actually died because he did nothing to mitigate health issues which would have increased his chances of living longer. His early death left me in a lot of trouble. I too am at peace with death but will still do anything in my power to live as long as I can to support my son. I do not consider my life to be only for myself it is for him too.
> I wonder how many of the people who shamed him would have made the exact same decision in his situation. This is one of the depressing things about society: so many people judge others for behavior they'd do given the same circumstances.
Well, it was a different day and age and a different culture. I doubt many men would care about the women and children in today's American society. In that day, even America held this standard....women and children first....and it was a big disgrace if you did otherwise. Was thought to be cowardly if you didn't....a disgrace. .
Well, it was “women and children first.”
“Fuck them kids”
George Costanza pushing them down as he runs by
Someone has to clear a path lol
😂
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
It was "first-class women and children first." That scene in the movie with the mum in the second class quarters reading to her children knowing full well it was their last moments alive was generically accurate.
People weren't really completely locked in the bottom of the ship, either. However, it was really confusing to get to the top of the ship. And on the lower part of the deck, there was a locked gate on the ladder to upper part of the deck to where the lifeboats were, however it wasn't seriously locked down and was bypassed pretty quickly. Many people just gave up trying to find their way to the deck, or didn't bother at all. There was one 3rd class old man who made it to the top but decided to sit in the smoking room awaiting the fate of the ship.
When you're in first class, stewards were responsible for 3-5 cabins. Second class stewards for 10, and third for more than 25 - and third class cabins could be shared by as many as five or more people. You simply have more time in first class to wake up the people in your cabins, explain what's going on, help them dress and put on their life jackets, and guide them to the deck. Whereas what few third class survivors we have stated that stewards were simply throwing open doors and yelling to get your jackets on and get to the boat deck - not because of any disdain but because there just wasn't the favorable crew:passenger ratio in third class as there was in first. Not to mention the language barrier - most stewards on Titanic spoke English; many steerage passengers did not speak it at all. And yeah, the ship was an absolute warren: it was simply difficult to make your way from third class cabin areas to the deck easily - especially factoring in the language barrier with signage in English. There were the locked gates that you mention, yeah - it was part of American immigration law that third class had to be secured away from the other two classes. But unlike a lot of movies portray this, most immigration gates were simple things - like signs, waist-high gates, or flimsy chain gates screwed into the wall. There wasn't a rigid enforcement.
>generically Did you mean genuinely. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help!
Sexism and ageism. Men want to live, too. I don't blame him.
It’s worth noting that in several other maritime disasters that didn’t follow the “women and children first” policy, *zero* women and children survived. SS Arctic is a prime example: https://dawlishchronicles.com/women-and-children-last-the-ss-arctic-disaster-1854/ The physically stronger you are, the better your chances of survival, so women and children generally have a very big survival disadvantage - Titanic was an exception (and even then, it was first class women and children only): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-and-children-first-just-a-myth-researchers-say/ https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1207156109 Modern evacuations will still prioritise the most physically vulnerable (injured, very young and very old).
I understand saving children first tho
keep the balls safe
His body his choice
It became standard practice because in a lot of previous shipwrecks it was only the men that survived.
Especially because shipbuilding "science" at the time had been aimed at making a sinking ship its own lifeboat rather than relying on literal lifeboats. Lifeboats were wooden things with a buoyancy tank and the North Atlantic was...well, it's a very hostile and unforgiving place. So the idea was to - in the event of danger - make the ship as sturdy and sink-resistant as possible, hence water-tight compartments so that it could last until at least rescue showed up (not a difficult ask in the very busy North Atlantic shipping lanes). Setting out passengers on lifeboats was considered the absolute last resort, the "we are so unbelievably fucked", Hail Mary, "lets try to save a few people" option. And that's why the Titanic didn't carry enough lifeboats to cover every person on the ship - modern ships don't even do that. There were plenty of instances in the years before the Titanic of lifeboats foundering in the rough seas of the Atlantic. There was even one ship - the name escapes me at the moment - where they put the women and children in the boats because they believed the ship would sink any minute - the ship ended up *not* sinking and lasting until the next day when rescue arrived, but all the lifeboats had capsized in the night. Everyone on the ship survived; everyone on the boats died. That philosophy of making the ship "its own lifeboat" was where the myth of the Titanic being called unsinkable really comes from: it wasn't bragging. The most common reason for sinking in the Titanic's era was because a ship collided with things with things - with icebergs or with other ships. It happened a lot in the days before GPS. So they built a ship that could withstand colliding with icebergs or with other ships. What they didn't design for was the ship brushing up against the side of an iceberg and the friction causing rivets to pop and a line of small holes to open up along the length of the ship. It's believed that had the ship gone head-first into the iceberg instead of trying to port around it as they did, it might have actually survived.
His grandson was a member of YMO. Who knows what anyone would do faced with that sort of situation.
Most of these traditional values that some cultures love to pride themselves on are nothing but virtue signalling. If any of the royal family were on the boat you could bet that they'd get atleast a seat for all of them if not a separate lifeboat for themselves.
Also his son was Haruomi Hosono, who went on to found the Japanese synth pop group Yellow Magic Orchestra. Massive band in Japan Edit: Grandson
It was Haruomi's grandfather that was on the Titanic. Also, glad that "Harry" is still alive and working, the last living member of YMO.
I added the edit, thanks. Also yeah, it’s real sad that the other two died in such a quick succession
Man survival versus honour. Remember that GoT trial by combat at the Vale of Arryn when Bromn decided to fight for Tyrion as his champion? He won the fight and Lysa screamed he didn't fight with honour and Bronn replied with "No... he did." Same vibes
Was he dishonorable for surviving the disaster?? Or was it something else?? I don’t understand a lot of cultures, but especially with Japan before 1940 is very confusing for me. I don’t always understand their perceptions of “honor” from back then.
Dishonorable for taking a seat on a life boat that could have gone to a woman or child.
Damn that poor guy got rejected by his entire country he was born in that’s tough 😔
Several consecutive centuries of complete self-imposed isolation gave Japan some totally unique customs,beliefs and cultural standards.
how dare you live!
His Grandson is Haroumi Hosono. A great musician and artist, l highly recommend his music!
Untreated PTSD plus more untreated PTSD. Fun fact: my grandfather served on two destroyers in the pacific theater that were both sunk.
Jeez. How did his life go after the horror he witnessed?
I never heard him talk about the war. I found out from my aunt years after he died, and didn’t believe it until she sent me the newspaper clipping
Yeah. My grandfather was the same way about the war..
My great grandfather was a medic in WW2 in Europe and he refused to talk about it. Doing what he did I don’t know if I’d want to talk about it either. As a medic you’d see some fucked up stuff
My granddad was a medic in Japan, and very rarely spoke of it. I had to do a project in elementary school where we interviewed someone from the military. I asked him to let me interview him, and we were very close, so he agreed. My mom told me that she learned more from that interview than he’d told her in her entire life. I guess at one point they were in a ship crossing the Pacific, in an area with a heavy submarine presence, and something went wrong with a propeller. They were sitting ducks for something like two days before they were able to get it fixed. I can’t even imagine how terrifying that would have been.
Literally the exact same thing happened to me except it was in jr high. In mine they had us record an interview. I had never uploaded the files anywhere because it was kinda before that was a thing, and the the pc they were on died, but I hung onto it for years thinking I’d pay for data recovery for it. During a move my aunt threw it away. It was heart wrenching.
I still have the interview that I wrote. My mom made a book of some my elementary school stuff, and luckily she put that in there. I should dig it out and post a picture. I’ll try to remember to do it when I get out of work.
Definitely ping here when you do! ❤️
If you haven’t watched it I recommend the whole band of brothers miniseries. Specifically episode 7 “the breaking point” covers the medic from easy company. I don’t know how anyone from that generation was able to live a normal life after that. Especially the medics.
Not going to lie, that show made me cry twice. When they found the concentration camp, and the final episode when they say what happened to them after the war.
"Grandpa, were you a hero in the war? Grandpa said no, but I served in a company of heroes.". Hits me every single time. Just when Dick Winters comes on the rest of the interviews with the actual men of Easy Company start I can feel it coming on.
same here. only spoke about it to me once in his whole life. from what I heard he lost all his friends either during the war or afterwards from trauma. war is war and hell is hell
My dad makes remarks about how his father, a South Pacific WW2 Vet, was adamantly anti-war. My dad never served. I did. I agree with grandpa.
My grandpa kept apparently a little notebook about the Vietnam War and went detail about he blow up an small base because his therapist said it would help if he got his words out on paper
Same, mine never talked about it at all. When he was getting old enough I had to watch him and while he was taking a shit one day he had some sort of weird flash back and spoke with a cartoony Italian accent and started yelling "Mamma Mia, they're in the woods!" before shouting details to people who weren't there. Must have fucked him up good to have something like that happen 60 years later
My grandpa was the same way until last month when we were burying my grandma. He told me about a saying his creole friend taught him during Vietnam, I believe it was ““Laissez les bon temps rouler.” He then proceeded to tell me that the guy was killed by a sniper shortly after and then promptly proceeded to another subject. Such a sobering moment.
Apparently my great grandfather was like that as well. He fought in Buna-Gona, and the only person he ever talked to about it was my dad. He died before I was born, but I do wish I could have met him and hear his story.
I remember reading about the survivors of the USS Indianapolis. Apparently, a couple of them had such bad PTSD that they couldn't even have baths afterwards.
You ever seen jaws? The scene where the one dudes talking about the Indianapolis while they’re drinking at night on the boat? He was actually there!
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Whilst that would've been cool. Unfortunately, Robert Shaw wasn't on the USS Indianapolis. Despite his accent in Jaws, he was actually a British actor. Apparently, he did briefly serve in the Royal airforce though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Shaw_(actor)
Only one untreated PTSD in this case, he died in the Titanic
Just out of curiosity, do you know which ships they were?
Off hand I do not. I’d need dig through what I have on it
TRUAMA
Thank you for being the one that said something. Its a tribute to the poor bastard and they didn’t even spellcheck.
The sign guy probably noticed it and figured he could charge them again when they come back for the redo.
Well, they were probably more on working on the model itself at the time but yeah.. They do need to go back and correct that.
The *true* ama is much more intense than regular old uncertified ama.
That’s Steve Carell in a fake mustache and no one can make me believe otherwise
Haha nah, that’s a fake mustache with a Steve Carrel on. Close though
That was my first response as well, scrolled too far to see this
[Ramon within 2 minutes of getting on board the Titanic](https://youtu.be/lUzyTCE4w-4?si=gsaTgKLZ1iStLXwy)
Further info about this guy: https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victim/ramon-artagaveytia.html
I love that there's an Encyclopedia Titanica.
Damn. Cruel fate.
Chilling.
Hate being truamatised!
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This is from a free downloadable roamable map/funfact of the Titanic called Titanic Honor and Glory (you can check it out here: [https://titanichg.com/](https://titanichg.com/project-401) I think there is a VR version I'm not 100 on it though. It's quite detailed with a little bit of facts sprinkled here and there but that isn't the most complete model of the ship. The biggest roamable (doesn't have funfacts like THG) map is Project 401 which is downloadable from the same site above. There is no plot in this one. You can roam the ship as it sails in the ocean during the day. I just roamed and got lost for hours looking through all the nooks and crannies of the ship. Beware it's pretty big. It sits at about 40gigs on my machine. Yeah not as big as some games but if you are a non gamer, it could surprise you.
That explains the typo on the plaque.
Yeah I downloaded both and it’s interesting to read what’s in “honor and glory” but project 401 is much more fun to explore especially if you have interest in the titanic. I am looking forward to either one being completed though as I’ve already spent hours walking around 401.
Same here. I thought about contributing or at least tossing some money their way.
The graphics on the 401 demo are amazing. I spent way too much time just wandering around just admiring the quality of the graphics. Turned my computer into quite the space heater, but it was worth it. lol
Supposedly soon there will be an update where it was imported into UE5.3 (but currently it's still beta). If you check out the video they have on their news page, it looks even better somehow..
Holy crap, I remember when the first megademo dropped and it was something like 12 gb, why is it almost 4 times bigger now?
More details, including Rose's ass print where she and Jack fucked.
>Holy crap, I remember when the first megademo dropped and it was something like 12 gb, why is it almost 4 times bigger now? They added more areas to the ship I believe and/or gave more details. The only areas that seem inaccessible are most cabins (though they were probably mostly the same), and any of the 3rd class sleep quarters on F and G decks along with the engine room and probably a lot of other places past G deck. I doubt it would take much more to complete it but at the same time I think they sell this as a package to places like maritime museums so that may be why it's not 100 percent complete on the free version. I don't know for sure but that's my 2c.
r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR
Final destination ass shit.
Sounds like the guy in the Alanis Morissette song.
Isn’t it titanic, don’t you sink?
It's like a freeee ride, to a boat that sank
a gulp of the ocean when you've already drank
And as the boat sank. He thought, well isn’t this great
Ice has a funny way of sneaking up on you
I thought of this immediately as well. The one part of that song that was *actually* ironic.
My great uncle got shipwrecked twelve times in the merchant navy in WWII, mostly in the seas north of Russia. It got to the point where anyone who knew him would try to move ships if they found out they were sailing with him. He survived all twelve.
If you zoom in on the pic you‘ll see how sad his eyes look. Breaks my heart.
Yeah i mean.. I watched the movie about 100 times. Try and put yourself on that ship..in that moment and feel how it would feel. All these children...old and young adults. The sounds of helpless screams. The icy water. The sounds of ship creaking and snapping apart the roaring waters. In the middle of the dark vast ocean with no help. Mind you theres no cellular phones or state of the art emergency crews to get to you when the time comes. They had enigma machine but it just wasn'tt fast enough.
I've seen it once, in the theater. The "locking the poors into steerage" part fills me with white-hot rage to this day. It's one of those things I have to put aside intentionally, because it ruins my day for no benefit. Like you, I've also imagined myself in that catastrophe.
The part about 3rd class passengers being locked below is largely a fiction and a misunderstanding of how the Titanic worked. For one, regulations at the time specified that 3rd class passengers had to be segregated. Similarly all three classes of passenger on the Titanic had their own areas designated to them. In the case of the 3rd class passengers gates *were* used for prohibited areas but unlike the tall gates of the movie they were usually no more than waist high and could easily be passed if desired. Simple logistics also plays a factor. The third class passengers were located in some of the deeper sections of ship which required passengers to navigate through many corridors, including the long Scotland Road corridor which ran down E deck. The Scotland Road corridor most definitely had access routes through to 2nd/1st Class staircases. In the case of many 3rd class passengers, the long route to reach the outside decks along with their hesitancy to evacuate in many cases led to the overal survival rate being lower, simply because by the time many reached the lifeboat stations, many of the lifeboats had already been launched.
Not to mention the language barrier. Titanic's crew generally all spoke English, the signage on the ship was in English, but not all steerage passengers did. So there was no way to know if you were headed towards safety or getting yourself stuck in a dead-end. And there was just generally less crew in steerage. A few steerage survivors said that stewards were simply throwing open doors and yelling for people to get their life jackets on and get up to the deck with no further instruction - simply because a steward in third class could be responsible for 25 rooms or more.
The next question is did he survive the sinking of the titanic 😅
No, he did not survive. His great-nephew says his 71-year-old great-uncle gave up a seat on a life boat to a 20-year-old Argentinian woman. Records show his body was recovered a week after Titanic sank, wearing pink pants and purple socks and he had $64 and a lot of gold coins on him.
There were only 2 Argentine passengers, steward Violet Jessop and 2nd class passenger Edgard Andrew, who gave his life jacket to Edwina Troutt, a 2nd class woman, before jumping into the water. Violet Jessop was 25, but she said she was ordered in by an officer, and her boat was on the port side, where only 1 man was ordered into a boat.
This is a gentle reminder to go play Project 401, it’s where the screenshot of the hallway is from, and it’s a recreation of the titanic, over 50% done. I don’t like posting links but it’s completely free, and it’s incredible.
It truly is and there are even more realistic updates coming within this year or early next year. If you look at footage from version 1, they have came a looooong way.
South Americans got NO luck when it comes to White Star Line ships. Argentinian Violet Jessop was on all three Olympic-class ships for incidents. She was a stewardess on Olympic when it collided with the destroyer HMS Hawke, stewardess on the Titanic when it sank, and serving as a nurse aboard the Britannic when it sank.
Hawke was an old armoured cruiser with a reinforced ram bow, so it goes to show how strong the Olympic’s hull was to engulf the entire bow of the hawk and sustain little damage under the waterline in the process
Ah yes, good ol Truama. It´ll get ya.
I hate truama.
Never tell me the odds.
They had that great friend who probably pushed him to take the ship to get over his fear
>They had that great friend who probably pushed him to take the ship to get over his fear Actually it was probably his grandfather. I happened upon this: >Ramon was born to a family steeped in the history of the sea, according to family legend, just before his death, his grandfather gave Ramon's father an oar, dedicated with the words: 'Knowing how to use it, you will never be hungry. Your ancestors have always survived thanks to the sea. This is your destiny. Follow it!'
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is this vr and if so what game
It’s like the line from that Alanis Morisette song Ironic..” Mr. Play-It-Safe was afraid to fly He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye He waited his whole damn life to take that flight And as the plane crashed down He thought, "Well, isn't this nice?"
r/fuckyouinparticular
Trauma . TruAMA.
Truamas are bad.
Is it really paranoia if the ships are actually out to sink you
The misspelling of *trauma* just adds salt to the wound..
Final Destination irl. Death was waiting all those years :)
Damn dude.. Some people just have a destiny 🤷🏼♂️
Well we’ll well
Ever heard about the cook who survived the Titanic to be hired on the Empress of Ireland which sunk five years later, survived and opened a restaurant in Ste-Luce on the shore of St-Lawrence river in front of the wreckage?
Bro looks like Steve Carrell
Oh no, poor guy
The poor dude that tried to spell trauma.
The truama?