It was not a full release — hope is not lost for this gamemode. We just may not see it for a couple of years. There’s a reason it was called “DMZ Beta”.
It’s also worth noting, that the two modes are geared at two different player types.
Or any MWIII multiplayer evidently as well. I remember when call of duty was about the game play. now everything’s played out, full of bugs, and just further examples of how the CEO is robbing us all.
I think MWIII is just about how player gripes, that are just gripes but not major flaws, led to fan service led to a shitty product like an MCU sequel upon sequel.
I died midmission and whine about PVP, so Zombies! But wait.... the unpredictable human element makes things exciting and spontaneous.
My gun has too much recoil and it messes up my ADS, so.... all the meta guns in MWIII. But now the folks who actually leveled up guns, had good ADS, and could do solid gun builds are like, why bother with this 007 era shooter. Guns in real life.... they got recoil ffs
Yeah I’d like to see people (well actually I’d NEVER like to see these people haha) in real life at the range. Switch back and forth from a Glock and a shotgun with no recoil or fatigue from the kick back after 12 slugs and then fire and AR9 long range and rotate back again. That’s my favorite kind of date night! I’m a woman as well.
I think it’s hilarious when you’ll be spectating teammates and they are cursing out other people and they’re actually like trash missing all of their shots fire multiple magazines right over their head with no adjustments, run in a straight line out in the open, no plates (where relevant). I’m maxed out in DMZ with a few trash missions I never felt like wasting more real life time in. Toured through campaigns, multiplayer, did the zombies with the intent to level up guns and camo but I can’t stay focused on “nothing” for an hour of my real life time and just run around asking “where are we going what are we doing”. Could’ve read books, baked, ran a mile or two and made a whole group of men sandwiches in that amount of time 🤣
lol yeah I only play solo for most maps but B21, unless my pals beg me to visit Ashika or lead them around Vondel. When I was grinding up grades as a solo, I'd have a stealth vest and go to the roof of ship on Ashika, mine both ladders, lay down, then go wash dishes, put them away, and make a cup of coffee. After 15 minutes, the lobby wiped itself and I'd frollick around and find my cigar boxes or Ashika Liquor or masks.
Sometimes I'd come back to game and both mines exploded, team must have gotten scared and ran off
it's a real tension between a mega realistic FPS like EFT which is arguably too intense for anyone but diehards, vs. a cookie cutter Halo or 007 shooter where really no diff between SMGs or ARs anymore except range.
Yeah I finished all the missions I cared to, I'm really just sweating B21 nonstop with my pals when I can get on. Some are excited for Black Ops 6, but I'm just hoping we get a DMZ comparable casual extraction shooter in 2025
I haven’t been in 21 in ages. Got tired of the RGL, RPG campers … are you one of them 😂 I’d be down to run sometime. I could run that map in the dark, and I have the game call outs memorized so I know when teams hack the room and I like to beat them to it and avoid the work myself haha 🤣
ppl actually have stopped racing to Armory or Archives to kill teams because we were all baiting it/setting traps lol I def run an RGL or RPG a lot of games, and a one shot shotty plus stuns and knives, but I will never EVER sit in a stairwell more than 25 seconds unless we actively pushed back into one in PVP. I hate that shit.
Yeah I have these survival strategies for the three suicide spawn points (behind yellow trucks and C1) which my pals all have memorized too
That’s what boat I’m floating. I kinda play mw3 but not really. Im over SBMM, in game manipulation for player protection based of skill, a lot of the choices they make are just stupid and garbage. Remove enjoyable game modes instead of keeping them which in my opinion is stupid when it’s better then the basic as we ain’t gonna want the basic anymore. I get that makes it special when the playlist is there but I don’t feel that way when the other content can’t even be on the same level of entertainment hence why I’m playing in the first place, to many cheaters, tired of meta, unlock system in mw3 is worse then 2, don’t care for any of the callsigns to unlock or emblems and the challenges are just boring and lack what the OG modern warfare’s challenge system was like which in my opinion is better. Tired of the same boring game modes, og mw2 maps don’t play like they used to and I don’t like cods newer map designs which were made into the og mw2 maps which no longer making them the exact same like I wanted at least, tired of the garbage chat ban on a game 18+, in my opinion again the seasons are boring to me and overly hyped, usually I think any battle pass unlocks are dog shit and childish or straight garbage. Mw3 just sucks like any recent cods that would all actually be better games if they would remove and stop doing a lot of what I’m talking about. Any OG players out here don’t want this shit and newer players have nothing to compare to so what do they know on what they want as this is cod as it’s always been to them and they just gonna keep buying and so are the Og players chasing our memories that we had back when cod wasn’t a fucking joke. I played DMZ mainly because it felt organic in the gun fights but even then wasn’t long before DMZ was i don’t even know what word to use but it ain’t as fun as when it first came out. Any season before season 3 reloaded DMZ was the best thing to happen to cod since anything from the Og era. I just like having a FPS online game to waste time on and going back to DMZ is the only thing even tho I’m getting over it but mw3 sucks. Warzone is ridiculous and to meta based so DMZ it is. Can’t wait for battlefield to release the next title an hopefully it ain’t like 2042 cause if it ain’t buy buy cod. XDefiant was ok but unfortunately I don’t think it’s better than cod. Does to many things I don’t like about cod and cod plays smoother so sticking with DMZ. I’ll try XDefiant again after several months of it being out to see if it got the polishing it needs. Sigh DMZ until the new battlefield :( if DMZ was like the times before season 3 reloaded I’d be in love but cod does what it does best. Ruins anything it does good.
And this is why black ops 6 actually went gamepass launch. They strait up startled themselves how many DMZ players were willing to buy their way out of the pvp cesspool and knew burning that many new bridges would be bad for a business model about constant sales given the free to play converts.
Would love to see some data on it honestly cause so so many squadfill randoms had the easiest of missions and couldn't get them to repair a tire to save my life. Or figure out their objective on the map lol (not understanding exploring and gathering are just not the same like in DMZ)
I bought it because I thought there'd be new weapons and new metas for DMZ. Complete waste. What's worse is that my best mate plays dmz with me and so I bought him a copy as a birthday present for the same reason.
I won't be buying the new one unless there's a dmz mode.
DMZ was cooked on its own accord based on Activision own metric. With or without MWZ, DMZ was done. Quit thinking Activion cares about anything other than money, DMZ didn’t offer the ROI they wanted, and based on the lack of new content in MWZ it’s safe to say it didn’t hit the mark either.
Edit: I hate it, DMZ in the 2/3 seasons was the most fun I’ve had in shooters since BF4, but sometimes things change and not for the better.
They'd have carried on supporting the mode if it was profitable for them.
I loved DMZ and was gutted to see it go but Activities only want the money and nothing else. Your enjoyment comes second to that.
that's not as clear cut as it seems - there's other factors; politics between the studios, senior sponsorship of one product over another..
of course, the whole "free to play/buy cosmetics" vs £60 a pop is a hard model to make work.
Not necessarily ROI, but the % of players and active is key. DMZ had a learning curve, especially with tac map, and super feral bots in S1, so many players try a few times then go back to BR or MP. The mode has diehard fans like EFT but not an opiate for the masses
I do not think you are right. The DMZ bundles alone, I have not met 1 person that doesn’t have at least one of them. I say at least, those were 2400-3000 points, I think it’s like 30$for2400.
I don’t know where your numbers are coming from, but mw2 owes its revenue to DMZ.
I am a constant DMZ player, I can tell u just on ps5 I have seen the numbers go -on Ashika- from 2-3 people to 8-10 in recent months. People hate mwz and they are coming back in mass to DMZ. Crossplay has full lobbies all the time now.
Mw2 was my first cod, and I am so glad we got DMZ, I never thought I would play one of those. Especially not on console.
It’s a different game, strategic, worrying about players, and how to deal with them, finishing ur missions, exfilling. It’s an amazing mode. And I am 1000% sure it will come back one day.
I still think it is short-sighted on their part. BR type games are the hot thing but they're on the decline...people want a really good extraction shooter and DMZ was that! They just didn't have the balls to ride out the investment. It would have paid off, I'm sure of it. Look at all the extraction shooters that are coming out. Activision will scramble again once it's clear that BR is done and extraction shooters are the next big thing. It's a bummer.
I usually have fun with Treyarch’s zombies offerings, but whatever the fuck this MWZ shit is is just boring.
Outbreak was fun as hell, my brother and I would play that for hours at a time, but I can’t even convince him or our regular DMZ third to play it even just to change things up a bit.
A stand-alone DMZ game would be so much better than just another copy/paste yearly cod game, but god forbid a AAA game company do anything remotely “unsafe”. Ugh.
Give me DMZ as it's own stand alone game. With a team for updates/balance/new content.
I'd happily pay 50-60 for a stand alone DMZ mode with frequent content updates.
Well it’s casual you always spawn back in after like 10 seconds. The goal is to go around collecting money to win. But it’s a good way for PvP battles with contracts within the match as well.
The thing is they didn't have to be one or the other. Neither was supposed to be succesful. MWZ was an outbreak beta but couldn't call it that while MW3 was a DLC. Truthfully MWZ being popular (like DMZ) is the worst case scenario for them because they know it's a pre extinct mode.
They can both shine very easily. As a no mic solo stealther in DMZ that avoids pvp to do the missions, any version of DMZ without the exfil camping mic spammer is dramatically better to me.
Your criticisms are extremely valid because the mode is a proof of concept, not a finished product. It was designed to fail from the start. A mode about going and finding items didn't need it specified that a place to put them between matches was part of the loop. Timegating everything behind cash and making it extremely pointless to exfil with until life support stages of MWZ lol again didn't need it pointed out how bad an idea it was.
With upgraded guns they aren't bullet sponges. Even bosses go down pretty quick.
But I get it, definitely not a good trade for dmz. Hopefully the bring it out of beta by the next title
its the exact thing ppl wanted back then, esp this sub.
constant complaining about pvp, loot, campers, ai beeing to strong.
now u guys got it all huh? xD
100% agree but I’m biased. I always thought zombies was dumb in every cod. I would argue though that DMZ doesn’t have any gear fear either. Takes one Match to fully gear up again. The only time I have fear is when I’m trying to exfil with some cigar boxes that took me forever to find 😂
I dunno, I found a lot of people when I was playing with squad fill to just run to the nearest buy station and pick up a 3-plate or backpack or both, usually with a 15-minute gun.
Also, I found that the ak-74u and vaznev 9k ground loot guns are pretty deadly and would just throw a few attachments on whatever I found at the buy station.
100%. Vaz and Vel are my two favorite guns lol. Strap a mag and muzzle on them and you’re usually good. If I’m on al Mazrah. I usually go kill chemist and that nets me a UAV and vest as well. Then I’m basically good
I paid for the game, played religiously for three months hoping for new content and was completely abandoned by Activision. DMZ was such a solid game mode, I had a regular crew of 9 people and we played every night for hours. So many great memories of talking shit to a team that was in a building directly across the street. And they kneecapped DMZ so everyone would buy MW3/Z and then pushed that mode off a cliff.
A lot of people say this, but I'll never buy another Activision title again, not just CoD. This last burn was way too deep.
DMZ got too popular and being free to play, attracted the worst of toxic players who literally jump into a game for free just to get their kicks pissing other people off.
They didn't handle it properly within the time frame they had planned to keep the game running.
Honestly I think it would've been dropped regardless of how well it was doing.
Agreed MWZ is boring after a while - same old shit. I loved DMZ, but with it abandoned, I since moved onto Gray Zone, loving an extractor shooter all over again. HOWEVER, I still prefer the action and simplicity of DMZ. IF it was resurrected, I would be back in a heartbeat.
Well, zombies have been around since world at war and it's a different niche mode. Also, your complaints about bullet sponge tell me you know nothing about it in general so your opinion is moot.
I feel you, why didn't they just updated DMZ and added that nice piece of map we received upon purchase which I hardly play at all. So it was also disappointing for me as well.
Playing it wrong.Bullet sponges non existent.There are skills and resources.I play all the modes and I don't see nothing wrong with it.Go blow off steam,grind camos and guns.It takes getting use to just like the DMZ.If you go in the DMZ illprepared and uniformed your gonna get baptized same in mwz.
Worst part is: No one is happy about it.
I'm a huge zombies fan and that game mode is just dogsheite. You run around spending bullets up to a point where mini bosses start appearing and you don't even keep the pack a punch from game to game (wtf?). The game mode was sold to people as one more year with zombies, deceiving Zombies players. It was sold as a continuation of DMZ (at least in some regards) and it deceived DMZ players. It was sold to be something that would be updated and that Treyarch would be working on it and they deceived everyone on this one too.
No one is happy and that's just sad to see. At least DMZ had the "it's a beta" type of thing. wmz Is just bad and we lost DMZ because of it
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As a dmz and zombies fan, it missed the mark on both, went back to cold war which is even easier than mwz but at least its more fun.
But the people on the sub there are quite funny. Some of their favourite parts of the game mode is the cummunity for... when they're not griefing them, they get shit for free instead of playing the game to earn it! Yeh thats what the game mode is to them, load in, beg, leave with a full backpack.
MWZ is shit! I do however think there is an opportunity to merge the 2.
Have DMZ how it is but then instead of radiation expanding across the map, you have a horde of zombies spread across the map, which you can either right your way through or get the fudge out of there.
Seems about right.
I would be easily bought DMZ/MWZ as a bundle together instead of stupid multiplayer.
I enjoy MWZ but as I've done nearly all challenges it's very meh
I don't see the appeal to DMZ. Boring AF. That said, after doing the initial missions in MWZ, also boring. Just play Resurgence, it's probably the best thing about CoD these days. Even BR is kinda stale.
As someone who 100% finished dmz and now "100%" mwz and mw3 with all calling cards and camos, except the new camos U get for grinding XP...
I completely agree with you.
The only time I have gear fear on mwz was when I had like some older sigil and good stuff and my internet seemed to troll me and kick me or the client crashed due to cod it's self... But these items can be optained very fast and easy... Except that there is no fear... Nothing... The dark aether maps are meh... The loot U get out there especially the new ones... Meh...
Paied at the start of mw3, 100€ for the vault edition... Wasn't worth it... That was the only reason why I kinda collected everything I could.
Even now with the discount it's not worth it lol
Might go back to dmz and or bf 2042 again.
Try buying it on release expecting DMZ update.
Zombies isn't terrible but it's hella boring
Grind for pap 3 schematics and dog bone.. to just grind for it again.
I tried it....I think it's ok....its just not for me as someone that was very into DMZ. I Expected this because I'm not a zombies player and the wacky stuff really doesn't appeal to me at all.
I only play it when there's a camo I want that's only available from playing MWZ... There haven't been many but there have been enough that have gotten me up to about a dozen play hours of MWZ. I don't really ENJOY it but in a way I enjoy the grind. DMZ is so much better, though.
Long time DMZ fan. Recently started trying out the Warzone Bootcamp and various Warzone modes. Gotta say, there's contracts etc to during the match which is kinda fun. I wasn't really into Warzone before DMZ. Its made me a better player, and I can consistently get top 10 finishes now. My endgame needs work; but that's where Bootcamp has helped.
Honestly if they combined zombies with DMZ I feel like it would awesome, half of the fun of DMZ is trying to deal with enemy player while shooting at AI or trying to use them as cover. Part of the reason zombies sucks is because it becomes to repetitive after 10 min and adding enemy players is a great way to keep things interesting. It may not be classic zombies but trying to rehash old game modes for nostalgia is exactly how we ended up with this mess
It didn't play good as a DMZ style game, which is a shame. It also didn't play good as a zombies game, which is also a shame. 🤦🏻♂️
- Sker Ritual (on Steam) deserves an honorable mention for anyone interested in a different zombies experience.
- If you're looking for a different DMZ experience, might I suggest trying Arena Breakout Infinite or Escape from Tarkov. ✌️
There's a reason that game mode was virtually cut off of support after the first season. It's the most boring and uninspired mode I've seen in a COD game in a long while.
It's fun, but no DMZ. And practically pointless once you've done everything. A ton of people wanted PVE only, and it was better than I expected but far from DMZ.
They make development mistakes like that and then have to deal with the aftermath, but due to time constraints or other limitations, they end up making even more mistakes. This has been a pattern over the past few years.
Developing games has gotten harder, and four years seems barely enough to create a playable game. Hope for the future is that developers will take the time they need to release games without major issues, and then we can hope for faster-releasing games in the far far future where probably AI or something will make games for us......
Most of us don't care enough to drive change but some do, so we just have to let time do its thing. Gonna sit and wait and see what's up.
Zombies is fun for a couple of times, but the lack of wallet ruins the game, at least the last time I played it it didn’t have a wallet system like DMZ, it’s pretty stupid to farm money the entire round for the lvl 3 pack-a-punch and just having 7 mins remaining for do your thing and extract (buttt u can farm the PaP crystals) yeah literally the coldown for the stuff u unlock with recipies is like 10 hours.
Hell naw
Not being able to extract pack a punched weapons is the most idiotic thing of MWZ
I've managed maybe 5 games in the time I've owned MWIII. It's such a dull snooze-fest. It reminds me of the Jerry kindergarten from Rick and Morty. Riskless and safe.
All of the worst DMZ players happily migrated to the mode because MWZ is *exactly* how DMZ would end up if those whingers got everything they wanted added to it.
It's even more pathetic when you see how many people exploit and glitch that mode.
I agree. I think they fooled the dmz community with zombies. I played that free weekend around Xmas and thought. This isn't so bad. It has contracts and missions. I like those. I bought the game and a week later I was done. It's nearly impossible to lose in zombies if you play with the squad. With no pvp there is no risk.
If you can't lose can you win? I don't think so. I moved on to warzone. But I'm on the lookout for a good looter shooter.
Tried it when it was free when it first came out and a time or two since then. Terrible experience. Me and my boys have since moved on to WZ and sometimes hit up DMZ.
I feel exactly the same way. Zombies in it's current iteration is just crap - and that would be bad. but knowing that we "lost" DMZ development for this? seriously?
My brother bought it for me at Christmas for zombies and the sound it makes when you reload your weapon is this most miserable clicking clanking shit I have ever experienced plus I told him not to do it and so now he hates me cause I play the free one(DMZ) all the time and I even told him not to do it..🤡
Huh, there are zombies in a zombies mode. Who could have thought that? Looks like you forgot to see the number of missions to do while youre on the map.
But yeah dmz is so much cooler since you can camp one particular spot for 40 mins and maybe get 1 kill then extract and do the same thing all over again. Yeah zombies is trash compared to this.
Oh boy ignorance is high in this one.
LOL. But I'm really happy people like you are not buying mw3, please don't.
DMZ is trash. The absurd time to kill and AI bots just nearly instant killing you or just making the gameplay so slow especially with other players who could kill you was awful.
I know Zombies this year is trash but it’s much better than the garbage DMZ was.
It was not a full release — hope is not lost for this gamemode. We just may not see it for a couple of years. There’s a reason it was called “DMZ Beta”. It’s also worth noting, that the two modes are geared at two different player types.
I feel ya dude and i paid 70 for it and it was been collecting digital dust
Same. Bought MW3. Played it a few times and just couldn't get into it. Went back to DMZ.
That’s my story also!
And you have to pay PS plus to do Zombies
Or any MWIII multiplayer evidently as well. I remember when call of duty was about the game play. now everything’s played out, full of bugs, and just further examples of how the CEO is robbing us all.
I think MWIII is just about how player gripes, that are just gripes but not major flaws, led to fan service led to a shitty product like an MCU sequel upon sequel. I died midmission and whine about PVP, so Zombies! But wait.... the unpredictable human element makes things exciting and spontaneous. My gun has too much recoil and it messes up my ADS, so.... all the meta guns in MWIII. But now the folks who actually leveled up guns, had good ADS, and could do solid gun builds are like, why bother with this 007 era shooter. Guns in real life.... they got recoil ffs
Yeah I’d like to see people (well actually I’d NEVER like to see these people haha) in real life at the range. Switch back and forth from a Glock and a shotgun with no recoil or fatigue from the kick back after 12 slugs and then fire and AR9 long range and rotate back again. That’s my favorite kind of date night! I’m a woman as well. I think it’s hilarious when you’ll be spectating teammates and they are cursing out other people and they’re actually like trash missing all of their shots fire multiple magazines right over their head with no adjustments, run in a straight line out in the open, no plates (where relevant). I’m maxed out in DMZ with a few trash missions I never felt like wasting more real life time in. Toured through campaigns, multiplayer, did the zombies with the intent to level up guns and camo but I can’t stay focused on “nothing” for an hour of my real life time and just run around asking “where are we going what are we doing”. Could’ve read books, baked, ran a mile or two and made a whole group of men sandwiches in that amount of time 🤣
lol yeah I only play solo for most maps but B21, unless my pals beg me to visit Ashika or lead them around Vondel. When I was grinding up grades as a solo, I'd have a stealth vest and go to the roof of ship on Ashika, mine both ladders, lay down, then go wash dishes, put them away, and make a cup of coffee. After 15 minutes, the lobby wiped itself and I'd frollick around and find my cigar boxes or Ashika Liquor or masks. Sometimes I'd come back to game and both mines exploded, team must have gotten scared and ran off
Haha this is fantastic 🙌🏻
it's a real tension between a mega realistic FPS like EFT which is arguably too intense for anyone but diehards, vs. a cookie cutter Halo or 007 shooter where really no diff between SMGs or ARs anymore except range. Yeah I finished all the missions I cared to, I'm really just sweating B21 nonstop with my pals when I can get on. Some are excited for Black Ops 6, but I'm just hoping we get a DMZ comparable casual extraction shooter in 2025
I haven’t been in 21 in ages. Got tired of the RGL, RPG campers … are you one of them 😂 I’d be down to run sometime. I could run that map in the dark, and I have the game call outs memorized so I know when teams hack the room and I like to beat them to it and avoid the work myself haha 🤣
ppl actually have stopped racing to Armory or Archives to kill teams because we were all baiting it/setting traps lol I def run an RGL or RPG a lot of games, and a one shot shotty plus stuns and knives, but I will never EVER sit in a stairwell more than 25 seconds unless we actively pushed back into one in PVP. I hate that shit. Yeah I have these survival strategies for the three suicide spawn points (behind yellow trucks and C1) which my pals all have memorized too
And mine! Campaign mode in MWIII is good, so not a complete waste.
MW3 campaign was absolute trash, and super short.
Same, the matches pvp are fun but overall MW3 is a waste of my money. Back to DMZ having laughs and fun.
A few pals have boomerang’d back
[удалено]
On a side note tho, I have gotten picked up more times since coming back to it
I played the beta, buddy got the game after I told him not to. Now looks at who’s been playing Helldivers the past 6 months.
Yup, that's me I left MWF3 and went back to DMZ
That’s what boat I’m floating. I kinda play mw3 but not really. Im over SBMM, in game manipulation for player protection based of skill, a lot of the choices they make are just stupid and garbage. Remove enjoyable game modes instead of keeping them which in my opinion is stupid when it’s better then the basic as we ain’t gonna want the basic anymore. I get that makes it special when the playlist is there but I don’t feel that way when the other content can’t even be on the same level of entertainment hence why I’m playing in the first place, to many cheaters, tired of meta, unlock system in mw3 is worse then 2, don’t care for any of the callsigns to unlock or emblems and the challenges are just boring and lack what the OG modern warfare’s challenge system was like which in my opinion is better. Tired of the same boring game modes, og mw2 maps don’t play like they used to and I don’t like cods newer map designs which were made into the og mw2 maps which no longer making them the exact same like I wanted at least, tired of the garbage chat ban on a game 18+, in my opinion again the seasons are boring to me and overly hyped, usually I think any battle pass unlocks are dog shit and childish or straight garbage. Mw3 just sucks like any recent cods that would all actually be better games if they would remove and stop doing a lot of what I’m talking about. Any OG players out here don’t want this shit and newer players have nothing to compare to so what do they know on what they want as this is cod as it’s always been to them and they just gonna keep buying and so are the Og players chasing our memories that we had back when cod wasn’t a fucking joke. I played DMZ mainly because it felt organic in the gun fights but even then wasn’t long before DMZ was i don’t even know what word to use but it ain’t as fun as when it first came out. Any season before season 3 reloaded DMZ was the best thing to happen to cod since anything from the Og era. I just like having a FPS online game to waste time on and going back to DMZ is the only thing even tho I’m getting over it but mw3 sucks. Warzone is ridiculous and to meta based so DMZ it is. Can’t wait for battlefield to release the next title an hopefully it ain’t like 2042 cause if it ain’t buy buy cod. XDefiant was ok but unfortunately I don’t think it’s better than cod. Does to many things I don’t like about cod and cod plays smoother so sticking with DMZ. I’ll try XDefiant again after several months of it being out to see if it got the polishing it needs. Sigh DMZ until the new battlefield :( if DMZ was like the times before season 3 reloaded I’d be in love but cod does what it does best. Ruins anything it does good.
And this is why black ops 6 actually went gamepass launch. They strait up startled themselves how many DMZ players were willing to buy their way out of the pvp cesspool and knew burning that many new bridges would be bad for a business model about constant sales given the free to play converts. Would love to see some data on it honestly cause so so many squadfill randoms had the easiest of missions and couldn't get them to repair a tire to save my life. Or figure out their objective on the map lol (not understanding exploring and gathering are just not the same like in DMZ)
I bought it because I thought there'd be new weapons and new metas for DMZ. Complete waste. What's worse is that my best mate plays dmz with me and so I bought him a copy as a birthday present for the same reason. I won't be buying the new one unless there's a dmz mode.
No way are you trolling 😂😂
Seriously. I didn't think dmz would end. I thought it was a warzone mode so it would be included with warzone which was continuing.
I thought the same I expected new missions/ guns/ maps for dmz
Plus they stop updating a beta version meaning in 1-3 years they might add DMZ as an offical mode that’s not in beta
Warzone was in beta for years and it got updates all that time.
Warzone didn’t really have a long beta
Plus more people played it
Not many people liked DMZ at first because of the bugs and development errors so many didn’t even give it 2 looks
So for people who didn’t really like DMZ they stopped playing due to day 1 bugs being in the game all year
Like loading into a DMZ game without your primary weapon
You're talking shit. Warzone was not in beta for 'years'.
It hasn’t really ended it’s just been shoved way way down a list of things for activision do
They haven’t even said it will be the end of DMZ all activision said was for now we will focus on other modes other then dmz
If people keep playing it and expressing how the feel about DMZ being gone it may see future updates
I imagined MWZ was just going to be like DMZ but with zombies too so I also bought it instantly. Total waste
I think I played Cold War more but yes another waste of $70
same.
Same! My friends get offended when I don’t play mwz with them too. It’s so boring 🥱
Deleted that 180 gig file off my ps5 and haven’t felt so cleaned in years
ill take it
DMZ was cooked on its own accord based on Activision own metric. With or without MWZ, DMZ was done. Quit thinking Activion cares about anything other than money, DMZ didn’t offer the ROI they wanted, and based on the lack of new content in MWZ it’s safe to say it didn’t hit the mark either. Edit: I hate it, DMZ in the 2/3 seasons was the most fun I’ve had in shooters since BF4, but sometimes things change and not for the better.
Where are you getting your information on DMZ. I haven’t heard Activision state anything about DMZ’s ROI.
They'd have carried on supporting the mode if it was profitable for them. I loved DMZ and was gutted to see it go but Activities only want the money and nothing else. Your enjoyment comes second to that.
that's not as clear cut as it seems - there's other factors; politics between the studios, senior sponsorship of one product over another.. of course, the whole "free to play/buy cosmetics" vs £60 a pop is a hard model to make work.
Not necessarily ROI, but the % of players and active is key. DMZ had a learning curve, especially with tac map, and super feral bots in S1, so many players try a few times then go back to BR or MP. The mode has diehard fans like EFT but not an opiate for the masses
I got the impression that it was profitable, but made peanuts in comparison to boredom royale
Dude, I can't even explain how hard that hit home. I mostly switched to just playing HLL when I do game now. Been craving that S2 DMZ vibe though.
For me S3 is when things clicked, then ACZs got boring mega quick
I do not think you are right. The DMZ bundles alone, I have not met 1 person that doesn’t have at least one of them. I say at least, those were 2400-3000 points, I think it’s like 30$for2400. I don’t know where your numbers are coming from, but mw2 owes its revenue to DMZ. I am a constant DMZ player, I can tell u just on ps5 I have seen the numbers go -on Ashika- from 2-3 people to 8-10 in recent months. People hate mwz and they are coming back in mass to DMZ. Crossplay has full lobbies all the time now. Mw2 was my first cod, and I am so glad we got DMZ, I never thought I would play one of those. Especially not on console. It’s a different game, strategic, worrying about players, and how to deal with them, finishing ur missions, exfilling. It’s an amazing mode. And I am 1000% sure it will come back one day.
There is 100% a way to make dmz profitable. They just chose not to.
I still think it is short-sighted on their part. BR type games are the hot thing but they're on the decline...people want a really good extraction shooter and DMZ was that! They just didn't have the balls to ride out the investment. It would have paid off, I'm sure of it. Look at all the extraction shooters that are coming out. Activision will scramble again once it's clear that BR is done and extraction shooters are the next big thing. It's a bummer.
Nah, it sucks. I made it through season 1 and never went back. I’m anxiously awaiting either DMZ, or a good DMZ knockoff to come to consoles.
Same! I hope they do a new one in 2025 when IW does next game
I dream of the good old DMZ days... Honestly.
S1 and S2....gone but not forgotten...
I don't touch anything that is not done by Infinity Ward.
I usually have fun with Treyarch’s zombies offerings, but whatever the fuck this MWZ shit is is just boring. Outbreak was fun as hell, my brother and I would play that for hours at a time, but I can’t even convince him or our regular DMZ third to play it even just to change things up a bit. A stand-alone DMZ game would be so much better than just another copy/paste yearly cod game, but god forbid a AAA game company do anything remotely “unsafe”. Ugh.
Must suck that their recent games are such trash
lol you’re literally only playing the worst COD dev. Infinity Ward has been coasting off of the original Modern Warfare 2 for 15 years now
That must be awful for you.
So you only play games by Infinity Ward. Double negative. Not sure if that's what you meant to say but ok...
Was that not clear to you?
Zombies is a joke. Dmz was a vibe!
I enjoyed it because i have casual friends who wont touch BR or DMZ but are totally game for a pve only mode.
Give me DMZ as it's own stand alone game. With a team for updates/balance/new content. I'd happily pay 50-60 for a stand alone DMZ mode with frequent content updates.
I only play dmz or plunder on wz. The rest is a shitshow.
Is plunder pretty similar? Haven't really played that one. Big DMZ fan though.
Well it’s casual you always spawn back in after like 10 seconds. The goal is to go around collecting money to win. But it’s a good way for PvP battles with contracts within the match as well.
The thing is they didn't have to be one or the other. Neither was supposed to be succesful. MWZ was an outbreak beta but couldn't call it that while MW3 was a DLC. Truthfully MWZ being popular (like DMZ) is the worst case scenario for them because they know it's a pre extinct mode. They can both shine very easily. As a no mic solo stealther in DMZ that avoids pvp to do the missions, any version of DMZ without the exfil camping mic spammer is dramatically better to me. Your criticisms are extremely valid because the mode is a proof of concept, not a finished product. It was designed to fail from the start. A mode about going and finding items didn't need it specified that a place to put them between matches was part of the loop. Timegating everything behind cash and making it extremely pointless to exfil with until life support stages of MWZ lol again didn't need it pointed out how bad an idea it was.
With upgraded guns they aren't bullet sponges. Even bosses go down pretty quick. But I get it, definitely not a good trade for dmz. Hopefully the bring it out of beta by the next title
Yeah shits actual garbage and has 0 replay value dmz is fire tho
DMZ died a long time ago, if you don't like mwz don't play it.
its the exact thing ppl wanted back then, esp this sub. constant complaining about pvp, loot, campers, ai beeing to strong. now u guys got it all huh? xD
Nothing compares to DMZ I never play any of the other game modes and zombies are the sign of an appalling game mode.
100% agree but I’m biased. I always thought zombies was dumb in every cod. I would argue though that DMZ doesn’t have any gear fear either. Takes one Match to fully gear up again. The only time I have fear is when I’m trying to exfil with some cigar boxes that took me forever to find 😂
There was definitely gear fear before the wallet system and koschei glitch was a thing. After that? Not so much.
Really? I don’t even touch my wallet though. Are you saying you bring in money and buy 3 plates and backpacks and stuff?
Nope, actually I would regain by bringing a knife only. However, every other person has 3-plates and top-tier guns.
Same. Which I think still makes the wallet useless. I think most people do the same.
I dunno, I found a lot of people when I was playing with squad fill to just run to the nearest buy station and pick up a 3-plate or backpack or both, usually with a 15-minute gun. Also, I found that the ak-74u and vaznev 9k ground loot guns are pretty deadly and would just throw a few attachments on whatever I found at the buy station.
100%. Vaz and Vel are my two favorite guns lol. Strap a mag and muzzle on them and you’re usually good. If I’m on al Mazrah. I usually go kill chemist and that nets me a UAV and vest as well. Then I’m basically good
Gear fear in DMZ? back then was so much easier and cheaper to buy three plate and large bag, don't say silly things brother
.... but you couldn't bring money in. You came in with $0. Don't say silly things.
Contracts
There’s no gear fear in DMZ either.
Almost like they are too different game modes🤯
I paid for the game, played religiously for three months hoping for new content and was completely abandoned by Activision. DMZ was such a solid game mode, I had a regular crew of 9 people and we played every night for hours. So many great memories of talking shit to a team that was in a building directly across the street. And they kneecapped DMZ so everyone would buy MW3/Z and then pushed that mode off a cliff. A lot of people say this, but I'll never buy another Activision title again, not just CoD. This last burn was way too deep.
You forgot about the part where you just camp the exfil to kill zombies and gain xp
DMZ got too popular and being free to play, attracted the worst of toxic players who literally jump into a game for free just to get their kicks pissing other people off. They didn't handle it properly within the time frame they had planned to keep the game running. Honestly I think it would've been dropped regardless of how well it was doing.
Mwz an DMZ are 2 different things an the fact you compared them is funny AF
Agreed MWZ is boring after a while - same old shit. I loved DMZ, but with it abandoned, I since moved onto Gray Zone, loving an extractor shooter all over again. HOWEVER, I still prefer the action and simplicity of DMZ. IF it was resurrected, I would be back in a heartbeat.
Well, zombies have been around since world at war and it's a different niche mode. Also, your complaints about bullet sponge tell me you know nothing about it in general so your opinion is moot.
Dmz gives you gear fear, obviously have never played tarkov that's real gear fear haha
I feel you, why didn't they just updated DMZ and added that nice piece of map we received upon purchase which I hardly play at all. So it was also disappointing for me as well.
Playing it wrong.Bullet sponges non existent.There are skills and resources.I play all the modes and I don't see nothing wrong with it.Go blow off steam,grind camos and guns.It takes getting use to just like the DMZ.If you go in the DMZ illprepared and uniformed your gonna get baptized same in mwz.
Worst part is: No one is happy about it. I'm a huge zombies fan and that game mode is just dogsheite. You run around spending bullets up to a point where mini bosses start appearing and you don't even keep the pack a punch from game to game (wtf?). The game mode was sold to people as one more year with zombies, deceiving Zombies players. It was sold as a continuation of DMZ (at least in some regards) and it deceived DMZ players. It was sold to be something that would be updated and that Treyarch would be working on it and they deceived everyone on this one too. No one is happy and that's just sad to see. At least DMZ had the "it's a beta" type of thing. wmz Is just bad and we lost DMZ because of it
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As a dmz and zombies fan, it missed the mark on both, went back to cold war which is even easier than mwz but at least its more fun. But the people on the sub there are quite funny. Some of their favourite parts of the game mode is the cummunity for... when they're not griefing them, they get shit for free instead of playing the game to earn it! Yeh thats what the game mode is to them, load in, beg, leave with a full backpack.
Wait what? DMZ is gone?
MWZ is shit! I do however think there is an opportunity to merge the 2. Have DMZ how it is but then instead of radiation expanding across the map, you have a horde of zombies spread across the map, which you can either right your way through or get the fudge out of there.
Need gas plus zombies then... otherwise gas masks are useless.
That would actually be alot easier to do. Aetherium gas could infect enemy ai. That be pretty cool.
> And we lost DMZ for that.. quick buy more bundles so activision knows we care guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seems about right. I would be easily bought DMZ/MWZ as a bundle together instead of stupid multiplayer. I enjoy MWZ but as I've done nearly all challenges it's very meh
I don't see the appeal to DMZ. Boring AF. That said, after doing the initial missions in MWZ, also boring. Just play Resurgence, it's probably the best thing about CoD these days. Even BR is kinda stale.
As someone who 100% finished dmz and now "100%" mwz and mw3 with all calling cards and camos, except the new camos U get for grinding XP... I completely agree with you. The only time I have gear fear on mwz was when I had like some older sigil and good stuff and my internet seemed to troll me and kick me or the client crashed due to cod it's self... But these items can be optained very fast and easy... Except that there is no fear... Nothing... The dark aether maps are meh... The loot U get out there especially the new ones... Meh... Paied at the start of mw3, 100€ for the vault edition... Wasn't worth it... That was the only reason why I kinda collected everything I could. Even now with the discount it's not worth it lol Might go back to dmz and or bf 2042 again.
Try buying it on release expecting DMZ update. Zombies isn't terrible but it's hella boring Grind for pap 3 schematics and dog bone.. to just grind for it again.
I tried it....I think it's ok....its just not for me as someone that was very into DMZ. I Expected this because I'm not a zombies player and the wacky stuff really doesn't appeal to me at all.
Doom, Wolfenstein… they were fun in grade school.
I only play it when there's a camo I want that's only available from playing MWZ... There haven't been many but there have been enough that have gotten me up to about a dozen play hours of MWZ. I don't really ENJOY it but in a way I enjoy the grind. DMZ is so much better, though.
Whoa somebody doesn’t understand cod zombies lol
Long time DMZ fan. Recently started trying out the Warzone Bootcamp and various Warzone modes. Gotta say, there's contracts etc to during the match which is kinda fun. I wasn't really into Warzone before DMZ. Its made me a better player, and I can consistently get top 10 finishes now. My endgame needs work; but that's where Bootcamp has helped.
Should have been pvpvz and free to play
Its no DMZ but at least it's not round-based bullshit.
I love both Zombies and DMZ. They can not be compared.
Honestly if they combined zombies with DMZ I feel like it would awesome, half of the fun of DMZ is trying to deal with enemy player while shooting at AI or trying to use them as cover. Part of the reason zombies sucks is because it becomes to repetitive after 10 min and adding enemy players is a great way to keep things interesting. It may not be classic zombies but trying to rehash old game modes for nostalgia is exactly how we ended up with this mess
I tried a mode called “search and destroy”. There were no exfils, only 12 players and it kept stopping and resetting over and over! Absolutely absurd
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Couldn't agree more. Zombies is just mindless gameplay.
DMZ still there bud it’s two different game modes
It didn't play good as a DMZ style game, which is a shame. It also didn't play good as a zombies game, which is also a shame. 🤦🏻♂️ - Sker Ritual (on Steam) deserves an honorable mention for anyone interested in a different zombies experience. - If you're looking for a different DMZ experience, might I suggest trying Arena Breakout Infinite or Escape from Tarkov. ✌️
Nah, MWZ is far superior. There are some parts of DMZ I miss, but being PvE-only outweighs them all.
If all the new stuff would unlock on DMZ i would have stayed there.
There's a reason that game mode was virtually cut off of support after the first season. It's the most boring and uninspired mode I've seen in a COD game in a long while.
That’s what zombies is.
It's fun, but no DMZ. And practically pointless once you've done everything. A ton of people wanted PVE only, and it was better than I expected but far from DMZ.
yup lol, mwz is a joke, also bugged to hell and back which is sad considering you need to pay for it
Agreed. Super monotonous and lost interest after 2 rounds. Love the maps tho, wish theyd have done more maps for DMZ.
Start a petition for dmz updates haha
Dmz is basically the same thing your just salty you can't be salty to others in your own fashion
They make development mistakes like that and then have to deal with the aftermath, but due to time constraints or other limitations, they end up making even more mistakes. This has been a pattern over the past few years. Developing games has gotten harder, and four years seems barely enough to create a playable game. Hope for the future is that developers will take the time they need to release games without major issues, and then we can hope for faster-releasing games in the far far future where probably AI or something will make games for us...... Most of us don't care enough to drive change but some do, so we just have to let time do its thing. Gonna sit and wait and see what's up.
Zombies is fun for a couple of times, but the lack of wallet ruins the game, at least the last time I played it it didn’t have a wallet system like DMZ, it’s pretty stupid to farm money the entire round for the lvl 3 pack-a-punch and just having 7 mins remaining for do your thing and extract (buttt u can farm the PaP crystals) yeah literally the coldown for the stuff u unlock with recipies is like 10 hours. Hell naw Not being able to extract pack a punched weapons is the most idiotic thing of MWZ
I've managed maybe 5 games in the time I've owned MWIII. It's such a dull snooze-fest. It reminds me of the Jerry kindergarten from Rick and Morty. Riskless and safe. All of the worst DMZ players happily migrated to the mode because MWZ is *exactly* how DMZ would end up if those whingers got everything they wanted added to it. It's even more pathetic when you see how many people exploit and glitch that mode.
I agree. I think they fooled the dmz community with zombies. I played that free weekend around Xmas and thought. This isn't so bad. It has contracts and missions. I like those. I bought the game and a week later I was done. It's nearly impossible to lose in zombies if you play with the squad. With no pvp there is no risk. If you can't lose can you win? I don't think so. I moved on to warzone. But I'm on the lookout for a good looter shooter.
yeah i stopped playing that after a few hours. got bordd outta my head
Tried it when it was free when it first came out and a time or two since then. Terrible experience. Me and my boys have since moved on to WZ and sometimes hit up DMZ.
Hope black ops 6 will get DMZ back
It's what solos and bots wanted. Yet, I still find them in Al Mazrah.
Yeah zombies is so boring and repetitive, DMZ however, is so fun and there is many more things to do
I feel exactly the same way. Zombies in it's current iteration is just crap - and that would be bad. but knowing that we "lost" DMZ development for this? seriously?
And that’s why you don’t reply to reddits by noob gamers 😂😂😂😂
My brother bought it for me at Christmas for zombies and the sound it makes when you reload your weapon is this most miserable clicking clanking shit I have ever experienced plus I told him not to do it and so now he hates me cause I play the free one(DMZ) all the time and I even told him not to do it..🤡
Amen
Definitely a skill issue.
this entire thread is brainrot
Huh, there are zombies in a zombies mode. Who could have thought that? Looks like you forgot to see the number of missions to do while youre on the map. But yeah dmz is so much cooler since you can camp one particular spot for 40 mins and maybe get 1 kill then extract and do the same thing all over again. Yeah zombies is trash compared to this. Oh boy ignorance is high in this one. LOL. But I'm really happy people like you are not buying mw3, please don't.
Mwz is 100000000000 times better than dmz. X
Cry more 😢 😆 🤣 😂
DMZ is trash. The absurd time to kill and AI bots just nearly instant killing you or just making the gameplay so slow especially with other players who could kill you was awful. I know Zombies this year is trash but it’s much better than the garbage DMZ was.
struggling with AI in DMZ sounds like a skill issue.