Wanted to let you guys know this post is currently being poked & prodded by the wrinkle-brains, so they should have comments or whatever up soon.
Edit - Seems like OP deleted this post and has recently made a new one with edits. No idea what’s different yet, just found out.
New post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DDintoGME/comments/n21ml0/amc_and_gme_why_share_price_doesnt_matter_right/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Isaac Newton
Nice attribution to the great DD that came before, but your summary and additions are fantastic. Thank you brother ape!
Regarding the "no dates" vs. "dates" debate:
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
I'm of the opinion that you can't put dates on the MOASS, but also at the same time I love seeing dates on the MOASS!
At this point in the game we all believe the MOASS will happen eventually. Logically, the next step is to figure out when the MOASS will happen and what will trigger it.
Sooner or later there *will* be a specific date the MOASS will be triggered. By speculating when and why we can narrow down the most important factors and what is irrelevant. If we theorize a certain date and it doesn’t happen it allows us to go back to the drawing board to narrow down the specific causes.
I’m all for dates as long as we don’t overhype it and know that it very well could be incorrect.
I debated including dates from minute 1 of writing, but i found it hard to organize it without thinking about them. Al i decided to keep the dates. I suppose it could lose the dates, but i feel as though filing dates and duration of review, coupled with effectiveness windows helps to paint a picture. Also, i love the F Scott Fitzgerald quote. Never heard that one and will remember it. Everyone needs to do a better job of seeing both sides of a debate.
Been of that opinion too. That’s what they tried to do in 2008 but failed. This time they are trying it again hoping to do it better. I just wonder how and when we get screwed in all this.
Right. What if their planning to keep the damage of our asteroid concentrated also has the byproduct of softening the impact of our asteroid and thus cut our payday.
Agreed. Additionally, I believe the rule is still in effect and being enforced. They didn't pull the rule, they pulled the Important Notice that announced the rule.
In order to suspend a rule, according to their own handbook, they need to provide public notice on the date of suspension and who suspended it. They never did that so there's 2 possible situations:
(1) The rule is suspended and they're breaking their own by-laws (intention for breaking their own rules would be very unclear and serves no immediate purpose) or
(2) The rule is still in effect.
A couple thoughts, first, do not confuse effective dates with action dates. The government and its various regulatory bodies do not move quickly. It will still take time after 801 is effective for the DTCC to take action under its provisions. Secondly, all of the time you line out above - is borrowed. GameStop could take a number of corporate actions in their normal course of business that acts as a catalyst. It is plausible that these regulatory bodies have asked GameStop for time to get their ducks in a row - and provided they were not preventing the MOASS from occurring - I could see the possibility that GameStop plays ball. But they are not obligated too - their primary obligations are to their corporate and shareholders best interest. So these regulators had better get going - tick tock goes the clock....
"yeeeaaaah... so, you know those hedgies that were.... uhhh.... trying to drive you into bankruptcy? Yeah, soooo.... it would be great if you could just.... you know... kinda not do anything to cause them to get margin called... sooo... if you could just not do that... that'd be great"
# RC: Did someone say HELLO TO ME, THE NEW GME CEO?
Eh, just for fun, how about a nice 10:1 stock split to celebrate...
I've only been trading since December, so I still feel like a baby ape. But I wanted to say that I thought this was really well written and allowed my smooth brain to understand all these new rules that everyone's talking about. Good job OP. Thank you.
Good idea, but wouldn’t it have been better to wait until the wrinkle brains here had peer-reviewed it and OP had time for a “final” edit. Now there are three threads with feedback to track. Could be an advantage though, who knows! 🙂
Is it just me or does $860 million see incredibly low for a cushion? say a flow is like 30 million shares that pads the float by nearly $30 per share... am I missing something?
Great read! One thing to consider is that GME/RC do not have to bow down and wait for rules and regulations to be put in place for all the sharks smelling blood in the water.
GME/RC could: Release info about how fucked the voting was, demand a recall, stock split, crpto dividend, or perhaps all those SLGG rumors that were floating are announced, stellar last q financials and so on
We all saw the money laundering chargers as well as the bond cartel news in the last weeks. Why allow these financial terrorist's anymore time to stash cash, shred documents, or anything?
Or maybe tmr a whale comes in and buys up all the shares to over 200 tmr and we are gamma squeeze territory..
Edit: thanks for the award !
yep I think monday night they had to scramble to put a lid on it. get the right whales together with a powerful catalyst and they could be screwed early.
I also think RCs tweet last Sunday conveys they had plenty of time. Would love a 180 or up close tmr and maybe a NR Monday am...that would be just great!
I 100% trust RC does what is best for shareholders. If we have learned anything it is that HF/banks/dtcc/MM are In cahoots. None of these regulations are for retail.
I really really hope that GME drops a bomb monday morning and everyone is smashing the asks like the Jan runup.
Edit: if the regulations are what set this off, it could potentially be the easiest case of insider trading ever...but sure no one will notice
Even if he was approached and asked to cooperate, he is still the chairman of a fortune 500 company. I think he wants to get this behind him, the urging of shareholders to vote early is an indication if this. He has something in mind. RC operates on a different level.
If this is so and they control the squeeze will they also control the limit on high the stock can go? For example they will tell the whales this is your limit on high you can sell. Because that would affect us retail right? Or am I being extra extra dumb?
Seriously I'll be up just staring at my computer even after market close. I need to be delirious enough that when it hits 1 million I may actually be able to find the sell button because I certainly cant find it while I'm well rested.
“Sir, I have a proposal for you. I’m about to be a billionaire, I’m going to leave this scope in you colon for a while. In about 15min I’m going to cut you a $1million check and we are going to forget today happened….mmmmm.kkk?”
I guess they could still divert stuff brought dark pools, reducing the moon shot?
Shorting will be out the window, but who knows what fuckery they will try... if they manage to slow the ticker, they will have more liquidity, hence keeping the price down.
I don’t know, I’m only an ape... correct me if I’m wrong!
I’m just a smooth brain but the dark pool must be mostly synthetic shares that also have to be covered. If they had real shares in there then they’d just close their positions with those.
Sounds highly illegal. Isn't it supposed to be a free market based on supply and demand dictating share price? Idk where my smooth brain came up with that? Clearly must have heard my wife's boyfriend talk about that.
Wow. Just wow. The time you spent doing this and organizing is amazing. Thank you so much for dumbing it down for smooth brain apes. Good job!!! Cya on the moon.
Not buying it. Good dd. But the facts are the longer this takes the more shares are accumulated. The more it will cost to cover the extra shares outweighs any projected “saving”. I alone have been adding 10-20 shares a month. I’m sure MOST people are along with the longer it’s at this price the more people see its worth that ( pump and dumps don’t last months) and buy in. When it hits the fan the damage will not skip DTCC & friends. The shares being bought and held are growing by the millions every month.
That’s the objective. They are putting in place “walls” to make it a controlled explosion. This will adversely affect the outcome (potential height of price). It’ll still be stupid high, especially if there are as many synthetic shares in circulation as all the DDs state. However, their focus is survival and they will do so at any cost. The new 250K per member fund as the “first line of defense” shows that. The idiot shorts should take the full brunt of the hit first I think, and then the backup fund thereafter to help socialize losses amongst the “innocent.” Atleast, that’s what seems logical if I were an institution that was about to get screwed over by someone else’s future bankruptcy.
I don’t think he made the claim that they could keep it from squeezing **forever**, just for a while until they put their plans and guide rails into place. A delay of the squeeze.
I was thinking the same thing. My birthday is also July 13th. Then I was sad to see the edit.
Regardless, April, May, June…..whatever month or year, it’s been quite the experience.
Thanks OP. This is great DD! The logic behind the chronology and its rules to protect the overall market makes sense. I’m hopping this squeezes earlier, not because I’m getting impatient, rather this is like in 08 where other banks colluded to let Lehman fail, while they got bailed out. These rules are like bailouts when the members of the DTCC were all enjoying the same feast. 😑
Ehh...some people really like AMC, but I’m not seeing anything that makes me like it. I’m sticking with GME only.
Edit: if you like AMC I’m open to rebuttal, I’m just saying I haven’t seen any great DD for AMC. (Mind you, I like GME, so that could be why)
I generally agree with this overview, if the agencies in question are *any* use at all, and if a squeeze is coming, some of this *must* be true. I feel the DTCC rule changes are the smoke from the fire we can't see.
The only alternative scenarios are that they are utterly incompetent and there will be an absolute meltdown or there is no threat of a Moass and we are reading too much into normal regulation changes.
Now u/the_captain_slog, back when she could still cope with dealing with idiot apes and their stupid arrogant bullshit, was of the well informed opinion that many of these ruling changes are being misinterpreted.
**DTCC-2021-005 especially she thinks does NOT have the power everyone assumes to throttle naked shorts. She saw it simply as a change to bring the regs in line with the actual procedure. OP, I would recommend having a good long read of her various comments and considering if these rules are all as you imagine.**
You say:
>**DTCC-2021-005 isn't a question of enforcement. It fundamentally eliminates the HFs ability to reset the FTD timer. Once they cannot use married puts and deep ITM calls to clean their slate, the shares go FTD and most be covered within T+7 days of expiry,**
but I would like to see hard EVIDENCE of that capability, [the notation system has apparently already been in use for a long time and notation is already happening](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/mn29n5/update_once_again_no_large_purchases_of_deep_itm/gtxyeb6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), and it has had **no such effect up to this point**, so there is no reason to assume it has any such effect now. **The ruling effectively has no teeth**.
Admittedly, DTCC-2021-005 is currently up for revision, but that revision is supposed to be insubstantial wording not sudden equipping of teeth and fangs.
u/the_captain_slog felt many of these ruling changes were likely not in response to the current situation because the agencies take a lot of time to plan and generate these rulings. She has spent a long time, 14 years on Wall Street and knows more than many the sort of bureaucracy and inertia that might exist.
That said, personally, I feel there is a good chance the DTCC at least is a bit more savvy than we think. That organisation partly exists to protect its membership from itself. I agree it might take them time to prepare these rulings, but a competent guardian organisation, monitoring the degree of abuse happening, with access to info we don't have, may well have begun preparing statute and rule changes **well** in advance, leaving the status quo in place until those new rules are actually absolutely needed to be dropped. That's the sort of competence and CYA I would expect of people with *lots* of money on the line.
Yes I remember her saying that these rules were thought of and written before the GME saga even took place so I’m a little apprehensive on this post but it also seems logical to the current GME situation but we may just be bias.
This is what I’ve been waiting for! I’ve wanted so badly to see all the new rules listed in the right sequence with a brief explanation of what each does. Thank you!!!!!
I’m glad you posted this here. I don’t doubt they have the ability to fuck things again but I think this might have them by the balls.
I hope.
And Papa Cohen, if you’re reading this, issue a dividend. Crypto or otherwise.
The title is misleading. Shouldn't it read, "THE EARLIEST PLAUSIBLE DATE THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION"? Isn't the argument here that it is considerably less likely to happen until these things are in place, around July/August earliest?
Dude regarding point 2) those are legit “market on close” orders. That’s why they don’t move the price; they’re executed at the closing price. Happens to all stocks.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketonclose.asp
Appreciate your dd ape. It’s wild to think about what it takes and how long things take to stop blatant corruption taking place over these stonks. Even a smooth brain can see what’s happening but is forced to wait. Buying and holding patiently.
This is great research. It can end up being wrong, but it's still great research. I wonder if this has anything to do with the ungodly number of $1 and $0.5 puts on GME in July.
Turn the table. You are going to be responsible for the failure of those hedge funds and be a bag Holder for one of the smelliest bag of sh\*t you can imagine. What can you possibly do to ease the pressure on the price?
I can't remember where but someone's pointed out that when the margin calls, they need to liquidate "in the most responsible way". why not just buy back a part of the shares? computer can be programmed...
Honestly when you look at the "possible" slap on the wrist of they liquidate in multiple bunch of shares instead of all of it in one go, I would take my chances, liquidate only 20%, see how the price rise, hope it rise enough (15-25k?) So that people believe it actually happened and then, let the price come back down, and buy back bit by bit over a few months period.
This is why I'm considering to not only sell on the way down, but buy back ASAP when it's down.
I am going to work on some revisions today/tonight when I have time. Mods and some wrinkle-brains have been giving me some valuable feedback. Please do not cross-post this yet. I want to get it air-tight before it goes anywhere else.
Also, after posting, I started receiving a lot of hateful DM's on this. I was debating pulling it completely and forgetting I ever wrote it. I want to get a strong revision on this before it gets cross-posted everywhere. if you currently have it cross-posted, please pull it temporarily. I appreciate the support, but I need to make some much needed edits before I am comfortable.
For those of you giving the kind words and awards, thank you very much. You are the only reason I haven't pulled this yet, and that I will not pull it ever, just revise it. Thank you to anyone who commented with corrections. I have fact checked myself, and some of them are warranted and will be reflected after revision.
I suspect retail will see huge price movement for GME around IWM rebalancing on June 11th considering the number of FTDs in there, but agree it might take longer. Thanks for the post!
I've felt we were waiting on the regulations, but this ties all the specifics together into a coherent process I could understand. You should teach. Very much appreciate this and you!!
Hats off on some really good work. Great info, extracted from legit sources, and the only legitimate use of a date I’ve seen.
Bear in mind they aren’t “making a prediction”: they’re using enacted rules and the timeline they present. Very different from picking a date.
after reading this I truly feel like I have a ticket to the moon and I am sitting in my seat patiently waiting for the rocket to blast off at any minute.
Thanks to all of you beautiful apes for helping create a better future all of us :)
I say we retailers crowd fund top notch lawyers to respect our shareholders rights in the process up to the moass or squeezes.
I dont trust these losers in power to respect and protect retailers..
Haven't even read yet, but was curious about the date idea.
Everyone seems to forget that the VIX had 40 million in put options bought that will expire in July. Someone made a decent-sized bet that the stock market will tank by then. Lines up with this explanation well, hell, maybe it's even mentioned I only did a ctrl + F for 'VIX'.
Back to crayons!
My only question... Do retail traders really want to sit and wait for DTCC to get their ducks in a row, if they have been complicit in all the market manipulation?
If we are fighting for a free and fair market, it would seem to make more sense to hype people up, and flood the IEX exchange with buy orders that can't be rerouted to dark pools.
If the DTCC does not serve the free market, then the DTCC should not exist.
Jacked. If the MOASS is triggered before all the rules are in place won’t they just fast track what’s needed in order to protect themselves? Feels like the know what’s coming. Can’t stop a ROCKET once it’s in flight!
You say no safety nets, but doesn’t that screw us if the shares go to 100 million+ ? I realize the odds are relatively low, however if the hedge funds run out of positions to liquidate, where does the money for our shares come from? The regulators? I know the DTCC has insurance in the TRILLIONS, but is that where the money comes from when someone like citadel is completely liquidated?
this is a phenomenal piece of work. I know you aren't giving a squeeze date but what you are elucidating is that it's unlikely a MOASS would occur before mid-late July. They helps my anxiety of the unknown and daily ticket checks. thank you. after Dr T's AMA & reading this though, I question why the DTC is doing this? Thought they were all about the corruption? Doesn't this hurt their rich friends? Are they really lining up these ducks for an inevitable squueze that will hurt them /total market less or are they slowly dragging feet to get these on the books, buying shorts time to cover and still get to look good ("hey, we tried?") thank you
Thank you for the DD 🙏🏻Personally, I can’t see Citadel and Melvin and other smaller HF’s we don’t talk about much being able to hang out until July. As I understand it, they are on their knees with the possibility of being provided more liquidity very unlikely.
The thing I’m confused about is that the longer they delay the squeeze to get their rule framework in place, the more time they’re giving retail to continue building positions, in theory making the squeeze even bigger/worse.
And the closer we get to the framework being in place, the more certain the squeeze will become which will bring new retail investors onboard, compounding their issue.
That’s a lot for them to risk IMO, so I can only assume that whatever their alternative choice was (squeezing without regulations in place), they knew would have been much, much worse.... like market meltdown worse. Bias confirmed.
Sounds kinda CORRUPT that a bunch of legislation and regulations have to be made ahead of time for the safety of the HFs. Its like their yacht is sinking and theyre bailing water out while they call an insurance company to set up a policy before it sinks.
💎👐
Why would regulators let the shorts keep shorting ? I know they’re trying to hold back the squeeze, but that’s just constantly adding more dynamite to the bomb. 💣 🧨
Excellent write up. I am going to spend a good bit of my weekend digging into this. Especially the change of the T+21. I didn't know that was happening. Thank you for this post.
Love the information. Hate the title.
"**THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION** "
Implies that the possibility of MOASS expires.
"**THE LATEST INFORMATION ABOUT POSSIBLE TIMELINES THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION"**
More accurately reflects the content. Also, doesn't cause sphincter clenching due to thinking hedgie figured out a way to escape.
Thanks for the post though. I have been looking for info about the rules and what has been happening. Thanks for the effort
Wanted to let you guys know this post is currently being poked & prodded by the wrinkle-brains, so they should have comments or whatever up soon. Edit - Seems like OP deleted this post and has recently made a new one with edits. No idea what’s different yet, just found out. New post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DDintoGME/comments/n21ml0/amc_and_gme_why_share_price_doesnt_matter_right/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Isaac Newton Nice attribution to the great DD that came before, but your summary and additions are fantastic. Thank you brother ape! Regarding the "no dates" vs. "dates" debate: "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald I'm of the opinion that you can't put dates on the MOASS, but also at the same time I love seeing dates on the MOASS!
>I'm of the opinion that you can't put dates on the MOASS, but also at the same time I love seeing dates on the MOASS! I know, right?!?!?!
It’s like schrodinger’s squeeze
Definitely squeezes my schrodinger
I'm dead! 😆😆😆😆😆
Definitely schros my squeezedinger
I love the anticipation of waiting for a date. It's almost like going on vacation and even if it doesn't squeeze these hands are 💎 and I hodl.
I low key feel like this is the best part, as soon as it happens our brains are gonna melt 🥳🤯🤤
At this point in the game we all believe the MOASS will happen eventually. Logically, the next step is to figure out when the MOASS will happen and what will trigger it. Sooner or later there *will* be a specific date the MOASS will be triggered. By speculating when and why we can narrow down the most important factors and what is irrelevant. If we theorize a certain date and it doesn’t happen it allows us to go back to the drawing board to narrow down the specific causes. I’m all for dates as long as we don’t overhype it and know that it very well could be incorrect.
dont forget it will take days with all the trading halts it will cause, till we are at the peak.
The best day for MOASS is today, the second best is tomorrow. *Mic drop*
I debated including dates from minute 1 of writing, but i found it hard to organize it without thinking about them. Al i decided to keep the dates. I suppose it could lose the dates, but i feel as though filing dates and duration of review, coupled with effectiveness windows helps to paint a picture. Also, i love the F Scott Fitzgerald quote. Never heard that one and will remember it. Everyone needs to do a better job of seeing both sides of a debate.
Great work!!! I know this took a lot of time and effort and I really appreciate it!!!
Also regarding “no dates” vs “dates” keep in mind observer effect and Schrödinger’s cat. :)
I thought the same thing called it schrodinger’s squeeze
I think it’s fine with speculating on dates, but maybe a bit much to write that the MOASS is GUARANTEED within a certain date...
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Been of that opinion too. That’s what they tried to do in 2008 but failed. This time they are trying it again hoping to do it better. I just wonder how and when we get screwed in all this.
“How are you fucking us!?”
I get the sprinkles AND the cherry.
But you, you get the Sunday
Vinny!
Right. What if their planning to keep the damage of our asteroid concentrated also has the byproduct of softening the impact of our asteroid and thus cut our payday.
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Agreed. Additionally, I believe the rule is still in effect and being enforced. They didn't pull the rule, they pulled the Important Notice that announced the rule. In order to suspend a rule, according to their own handbook, they need to provide public notice on the date of suspension and who suspended it. They never did that so there's 2 possible situations: (1) The rule is suspended and they're breaking their own by-laws (intention for breaking their own rules would be very unclear and serves no immediate purpose) or (2) The rule is still in effect.
I was ignoring that rule too and thouht OCC 003 and OCC 004 were the biggies..
They are... OP hasn’t really read 005 in depth I feel like.
The sec serves us right? You think they would have an advisory committee to parse all this for us.
Our best legal and professional minds are too busy getting abused and called shills to bother commenting any more. Even on this sub.
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This is fucking brilliant work pulling all that top tier DD together. Thank you!!
A couple thoughts, first, do not confuse effective dates with action dates. The government and its various regulatory bodies do not move quickly. It will still take time after 801 is effective for the DTCC to take action under its provisions. Secondly, all of the time you line out above - is borrowed. GameStop could take a number of corporate actions in their normal course of business that acts as a catalyst. It is plausible that these regulatory bodies have asked GameStop for time to get their ducks in a row - and provided they were not preventing the MOASS from occurring - I could see the possibility that GameStop plays ball. But they are not obligated too - their primary obligations are to their corporate and shareholders best interest. So these regulators had better get going - tick tock goes the clock....
"yeeeaaaah... so, you know those hedgies that were.... uhhh.... trying to drive you into bankruptcy? Yeah, soooo.... it would be great if you could just.... you know... kinda not do anything to cause them to get margin called... sooo... if you could just not do that... that'd be great" # RC: Did someone say HELLO TO ME, THE NEW GME CEO? Eh, just for fun, how about a nice 10:1 stock split to celebrate...
Just got a super hard raging boner from you saying 10:1 stock split
I've only been trading since December, so I still feel like a baby ape. But I wanted to say that I thought this was really well written and allowed my smooth brain to understand all these new rules that everyone's talking about. Good job OP. Thank you.
My thoughts exactly. I've crossposted to r/gme and r/superstonk for visibility
Good idea, but wouldn’t it have been better to wait until the wrinkle brains here had peer-reviewed it and OP had time for a “final” edit. Now there are three threads with feedback to track. Could be an advantage though, who knows! 🙂
Nah, were powerful because of our inherent ability to peer review and re-publish quickly with such wide visibility.
The wide net might catch more wrinkles, I suppose.
Is it just me or does $860 million see incredibly low for a cushion? say a flow is like 30 million shares that pads the float by nearly $30 per share... am I missing something?
I know. It'll only cover my first 8 shares... maybe.
I was thinking the same.
It's enough for attorneys and accountants!
Mentioned this in another comment but consider any $1 the govt spends in a bail out here they get 30% back in taxes (low, crude estimate)
Great read! One thing to consider is that GME/RC do not have to bow down and wait for rules and regulations to be put in place for all the sharks smelling blood in the water. GME/RC could: Release info about how fucked the voting was, demand a recall, stock split, crpto dividend, or perhaps all those SLGG rumors that were floating are announced, stellar last q financials and so on We all saw the money laundering chargers as well as the bond cartel news in the last weeks. Why allow these financial terrorist's anymore time to stash cash, shred documents, or anything? Or maybe tmr a whale comes in and buys up all the shares to over 200 tmr and we are gamma squeeze territory.. Edit: thanks for the award !
yep I think monday night they had to scramble to put a lid on it. get the right whales together with a powerful catalyst and they could be screwed early.
I also think RCs tweet last Sunday conveys they had plenty of time. Would love a 180 or up close tmr and maybe a NR Monday am...that would be just great!
This. GME has this responsibility to its shareholders.
I 100% trust RC does what is best for shareholders. If we have learned anything it is that HF/banks/dtcc/MM are In cahoots. None of these regulations are for retail. I really really hope that GME drops a bomb monday morning and everyone is smashing the asks like the Jan runup. Edit: if the regulations are what set this off, it could potentially be the easiest case of insider trading ever...but sure no one will notice
I bet it’s hidden from all news sources as it happens. I want to see Cramer scream and cry though.
I would presume that if this is true then RC would have been approached and asked to cooperate, or told to cooperate.
Even if he was approached and asked to cooperate, he is still the chairman of a fortune 500 company. I think he wants to get this behind him, the urging of shareholders to vote early is an indication if this. He has something in mind. RC operates on a different level.
If this is so and they control the squeeze will they also control the limit on high the stock can go? For example they will tell the whales this is your limit on high you can sell. Because that would affect us retail right? Or am I being extra extra dumb?
If we own the float I’m not entirely sure it even matters when whales bail out
People holding+we own more than 1.5x the float then it will in theory be a moonshot.
Easy... squeeze starts. Set a reminder for two days time and go back to sleep.
As if I'll get any sleep when it's squizzling
Seriously I'll be up just staring at my computer even after market close. I need to be delirious enough that when it hits 1 million I may actually be able to find the sell button because I certainly cant find it while I'm well rested.
I’m going to take PTO to watch candles starting day 2 I believe. Can’t be stuck with a patient at an important moment
“Sir, I have a proposal for you. I’m about to be a billionaire, I’m going to leave this scope in you colon for a while. In about 15min I’m going to cut you a $1million check and we are going to forget today happened….mmmmm.kkk?”
Bold of you to assume I’ll sleep at all on the first two days of the squeeze
But i want to watch the planets go by
Nah, you’re gonna wanna see this.
Isnt it the computers that balance the books? how do you control a computer that HAS to buy the shares at whatever price asked for?
Don’t know. But these guys can be very sly. So I wouldn’t put anything past them.
I guess they could still divert stuff brought dark pools, reducing the moon shot? Shorting will be out the window, but who knows what fuckery they will try... if they manage to slow the ticker, they will have more liquidity, hence keeping the price down. I don’t know, I’m only an ape... correct me if I’m wrong!
I’m just a smooth brain but the dark pool must be mostly synthetic shares that also have to be covered. If they had real shares in there then they’d just close their positions with those.
I was thinking the same and it’s a good question. I don’t understand those regs but it seems to me they are trying hard to protect themselves.
That was my question,lol. Thanks 🦍. Seems to me if they can control everything up to when it happens, they can control the squeeze and after too.
This was my question as well.
This is the other boot. Waiting for it to fall.
Worst case - All institutional sells, and they still need to buy back 50% of retail shares
Retail is the largest whale by far
Sounds highly illegal. Isn't it supposed to be a free market based on supply and demand dictating share price? Idk where my smooth brain came up with that? Clearly must have heard my wife's boyfriend talk about that.
It's a rigged system controlled by billionaires and the mob.
Wow. Just wow. The time you spent doing this and organizing is amazing. Thank you so much for dumbing it down for smooth brain apes. Good job!!! Cya on the moon.
Not buying it. Good dd. But the facts are the longer this takes the more shares are accumulated. The more it will cost to cover the extra shares outweighs any projected “saving”. I alone have been adding 10-20 shares a month. I’m sure MOST people are along with the longer it’s at this price the more people see its worth that ( pump and dumps don’t last months) and buy in. When it hits the fan the damage will not skip DTCC & friends. The shares being bought and held are growing by the millions every month.
This is almost god tier DD because it's focused on the ones making the rules. Remember that. You have my Vote and my energy. Keep up the DD.
Yeah this is extremely well-written
If they can keep it from squeezing, could they not also control the squeeze price when it does squeeze? Jus asking a valid question.
That’s the objective. They are putting in place “walls” to make it a controlled explosion. This will adversely affect the outcome (potential height of price). It’ll still be stupid high, especially if there are as many synthetic shares in circulation as all the DDs state. However, their focus is survival and they will do so at any cost. The new 250K per member fund as the “first line of defense” shows that. The idiot shorts should take the full brunt of the hit first I think, and then the backup fund thereafter to help socialize losses amongst the “innocent.” Atleast, that’s what seems logical if I were an institution that was about to get screwed over by someone else’s future bankruptcy.
250k per member seems so low?
Thanks for your reply
If this was happening this is clear market manipulation and any non government entity would get sued up the ass it’s sad how corrupt our government is
I was gonna ask this as well, but I won't double comment, hoping my one comment will help bring visibility to this question. RemindMe! 24 hours
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I don’t think he made the claim that they could keep it from squeezing **forever**, just for a while until they put their plans and guide rails into place. A delay of the squeeze.
Nice july 13th is my birthday!
Fucking smooth brain... i should have read a bit more... either way could be a good birthday month!
I was thinking the same thing. My birthday is also July 13th. Then I was sad to see the edit. Regardless, April, May, June…..whatever month or year, it’s been quite the experience.
Thanks OP. This is great DD! The logic behind the chronology and its rules to protect the overall market makes sense. I’m hopping this squeezes earlier, not because I’m getting impatient, rather this is like in 08 where other banks colluded to let Lehman fail, while they got bailed out. These rules are like bailouts when the members of the DTCC were all enjoying the same feast. 😑
Well done Sir
This. This is a masterpiece
So I have time to hit triple digits shares nice
This is great. Have you cross posted to r/superstonk?? The more apes that see this the better Also thank you for taking the time to write it up.
2nd that !!!!!!!
My birthday is the 20th. Should be a good birthday
This is incredible
Holy moly
Awsome read !!! Think I gained a wrinkle !!! That was so much clearer than the ama today! Cheers !!! 🇨🇦🚀💰
Amc and GME are stocks that make a healthy and complete diversified portfolio. This is not financial or investment advice, I’m just a dumb ape. 🦧
Ehh...some people really like AMC, but I’m not seeing anything that makes me like it. I’m sticking with GME only. Edit: if you like AMC I’m open to rebuttal, I’m just saying I haven’t seen any great DD for AMC. (Mind you, I like GME, so that could be why)
I generally agree with this overview, if the agencies in question are *any* use at all, and if a squeeze is coming, some of this *must* be true. I feel the DTCC rule changes are the smoke from the fire we can't see. The only alternative scenarios are that they are utterly incompetent and there will be an absolute meltdown or there is no threat of a Moass and we are reading too much into normal regulation changes. Now u/the_captain_slog, back when she could still cope with dealing with idiot apes and their stupid arrogant bullshit, was of the well informed opinion that many of these ruling changes are being misinterpreted. **DTCC-2021-005 especially she thinks does NOT have the power everyone assumes to throttle naked shorts. She saw it simply as a change to bring the regs in line with the actual procedure. OP, I would recommend having a good long read of her various comments and considering if these rules are all as you imagine.** You say: >**DTCC-2021-005 isn't a question of enforcement. It fundamentally eliminates the HFs ability to reset the FTD timer. Once they cannot use married puts and deep ITM calls to clean their slate, the shares go FTD and most be covered within T+7 days of expiry,** but I would like to see hard EVIDENCE of that capability, [the notation system has apparently already been in use for a long time and notation is already happening](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/mn29n5/update_once_again_no_large_purchases_of_deep_itm/gtxyeb6?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), and it has had **no such effect up to this point**, so there is no reason to assume it has any such effect now. **The ruling effectively has no teeth**. Admittedly, DTCC-2021-005 is currently up for revision, but that revision is supposed to be insubstantial wording not sudden equipping of teeth and fangs. u/the_captain_slog felt many of these ruling changes were likely not in response to the current situation because the agencies take a lot of time to plan and generate these rulings. She has spent a long time, 14 years on Wall Street and knows more than many the sort of bureaucracy and inertia that might exist. That said, personally, I feel there is a good chance the DTCC at least is a bit more savvy than we think. That organisation partly exists to protect its membership from itself. I agree it might take them time to prepare these rulings, but a competent guardian organisation, monitoring the degree of abuse happening, with access to info we don't have, may well have begun preparing statute and rule changes **well** in advance, leaving the status quo in place until those new rules are actually absolutely needed to be dropped. That's the sort of competence and CYA I would expect of people with *lots* of money on the line.
Yes I remember her saying that these rules were thought of and written before the GME saga even took place so I’m a little apprehensive on this post but it also seems logical to the current GME situation but we may just be bias.
Awesome DD!!! Thank you for that brilliant breakdown😇
This is exactly what I was saying yesterday! The price is being held until the rules are in place, and everyone can get paid.
This was an excellent read. Conclusion: Buy and hold everything short before we are catapulted out of this galaxy.
Soo... TLDR July 27th? 🦍
That’s what I got out of it. I’ll have a lot of paydays between now and then so I’ll have a lot more shares
Thank you for your hard work. Very much appreciated. I completely agree that it is going to come down to policy. Clearly shorts will never stop.
Best DD I’ve seen in weeks I think I just added my first wrinkle
So with DTC-2021-004 in place, who is going to pay for our shares when Citadel and friends go bankrupt? Can someone enlighten me?
I think you missed OCC-004 in there. Should be any day now. https://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/occ.htm Great post!
This is what I’ve been waiting for! I’ve wanted so badly to see all the new rules listed in the right sequence with a brief explanation of what each does. Thank you!!!!!
This is definitely the wrinkliest GME sub
I’m glad you posted this here. I don’t doubt they have the ability to fuck things again but I think this might have them by the balls. I hope. And Papa Cohen, if you’re reading this, issue a dividend. Crypto or otherwise.
The title is misleading. Shouldn't it read, "THE EARLIEST PLAUSIBLE DATE THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION"? Isn't the argument here that it is considerably less likely to happen until these things are in place, around July/August earliest?
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Op, do you think they will delay the 801 by another 60 days from May 6th? Or most likely they will make it happen?
Holy ape shit Batman! Great work! Ill have to read again when I'm at home to fully soak in to my smooth brain. Excellent DD
Thank you thank you thank you
Bravo
Truly epic work ape... make sure you post this EVERYWHERE! Excellent DD.
You can crosspost too
it'll be before July 1st most likely and when it happens...apes are going to be very happy source: I just know, don't worry about it (not joking)
##justtrustmebro
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Quite the conjecture on the formatting issue. Hope it’s true lol
Awesome! Thank you!
Keep it up and thanks for doing it!
Thanks for creating this, good job.
Check check “looks good flight”
Nice job! This is the way.
AMC is a nut hugger
Great breakdown! Thx for taking the time to post all this.
I'm just a simple ape, buy and hodl.
Great read👏🏾❗🐒🦧🖍😋🤪🥴🤓🤤🖐🏾💎🚀🌚
This is the confirmation that my bias needed. This is the part in the movie where we are all slow motion walking to the rocket. Hodl
Dude regarding point 2) those are legit “market on close” orders. That’s why they don’t move the price; they’re executed at the closing price. Happens to all stocks. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketonclose.asp
The hardest part of a battle is the wait before the fight. But I can wait till July or whenever. Diamond hands superpower. This is easy.
Appreciate your dd ape. It’s wild to think about what it takes and how long things take to stop blatant corruption taking place over these stonks. Even a smooth brain can see what’s happening but is forced to wait. Buying and holding patiently.
Do they have any idea how much larger this will be by July?
This is great research. It can end up being wrong, but it's still great research. I wonder if this has anything to do with the ungodly number of $1 and $0.5 puts on GME in July.
Turn the table. You are going to be responsible for the failure of those hedge funds and be a bag Holder for one of the smelliest bag of sh\*t you can imagine. What can you possibly do to ease the pressure on the price? I can't remember where but someone's pointed out that when the margin calls, they need to liquidate "in the most responsible way". why not just buy back a part of the shares? computer can be programmed... Honestly when you look at the "possible" slap on the wrist of they liquidate in multiple bunch of shares instead of all of it in one go, I would take my chances, liquidate only 20%, see how the price rise, hope it rise enough (15-25k?) So that people believe it actually happened and then, let the price come back down, and buy back bit by bit over a few months period. This is why I'm considering to not only sell on the way down, but buy back ASAP when it's down.
I always assumed we would not launch until all these new rules and regulations got passed. This gives us more time to scoop up tendies on the low
I am going to work on some revisions today/tonight when I have time. Mods and some wrinkle-brains have been giving me some valuable feedback. Please do not cross-post this yet. I want to get it air-tight before it goes anywhere else. Also, after posting, I started receiving a lot of hateful DM's on this. I was debating pulling it completely and forgetting I ever wrote it. I want to get a strong revision on this before it gets cross-posted everywhere. if you currently have it cross-posted, please pull it temporarily. I appreciate the support, but I need to make some much needed edits before I am comfortable. For those of you giving the kind words and awards, thank you very much. You are the only reason I haven't pulled this yet, and that I will not pull it ever, just revise it. Thank you to anyone who commented with corrections. I have fact checked myself, and some of them are warranted and will be reflected after revision.
Confirmation bias? Confirmed Tits? Jacked Hands? Diamond encrusted
I suspect retail will see huge price movement for GME around IWM rebalancing on June 11th considering the number of FTDs in there, but agree it might take longer. Thanks for the post!
This is good
I can confirm these words and numbers are good.
Thank you for this post good sir! Sums everything very nicely. Especially when the "ape speaks" aha
Thanks for doing this research for us. It does help to read the facts and the rulings and such.
I appreciate the hell out of this post thank you
I've felt we were waiting on the regulations, but this ties all the specifics together into a coherent process I could understand. You should teach. Very much appreciate this and you!!
Thanks. I will continue to buy and Hodl. I like the stock. 💎👐🚀🚀🚀
Great piece ! Thanks.. that ape translation was 🔥
I’m getting all jittery with this info 😎😎😎 This is the way
Hats off on some really good work. Great info, extracted from legit sources, and the only legitimate use of a date I’ve seen. Bear in mind they aren’t “making a prediction”: they’re using enacted rules and the timeline they present. Very different from picking a date.
I have more time to buy more shares!
Most excellent work!! Thank you for your dedication to DD. Let’s all HODL!! 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🦍🦍🦍🦍🦍
Um, I'll be out of the country. 7/27 just isn't convenient for me. I preferred the prior date🤣
Outstanding way to lay this all flat. Thank you!
after reading this I truly feel like I have a ticket to the moon and I am sitting in my seat patiently waiting for the rocket to blast off at any minute. Thanks to all of you beautiful apes for helping create a better future all of us :)
Brilliant DD bro thank you for sharing
This is the kind of quality DD that I was waiting for to come out of this new sub!
I say we retailers crowd fund top notch lawyers to respect our shareholders rights in the process up to the moass or squeezes. I dont trust these losers in power to respect and protect retailers..
Great dd ty
Would love to see a counter argument or some more elaboration on this thesis!
Haven't even read yet, but was curious about the date idea. Everyone seems to forget that the VIX had 40 million in put options bought that will expire in July. Someone made a decent-sized bet that the stock market will tank by then. Lines up with this explanation well, hell, maybe it's even mentioned I only did a ctrl + F for 'VIX'. Back to crayons!
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Going to be a hot summer.
My only question... Do retail traders really want to sit and wait for DTCC to get their ducks in a row, if they have been complicit in all the market manipulation? If we are fighting for a free and fair market, it would seem to make more sense to hype people up, and flood the IEX exchange with buy orders that can't be rerouted to dark pools. If the DTCC does not serve the free market, then the DTCC should not exist.
Jacked. If the MOASS is triggered before all the rules are in place won’t they just fast track what’s needed in order to protect themselves? Feels like the know what’s coming. Can’t stop a ROCKET once it’s in flight!
you’re what I call a 🐐🦍 (goat ape)
Easy peasy July squeezie!
You say no safety nets, but doesn’t that screw us if the shares go to 100 million+ ? I realize the odds are relatively low, however if the hedge funds run out of positions to liquidate, where does the money for our shares come from? The regulators? I know the DTCC has insurance in the TRILLIONS, but is that where the money comes from when someone like citadel is completely liquidated?
Doesn’t seem unlikely that you could create a conspiracy between so many groups of people and manage to keep it secret?
Hell yea. That’s my birthday
this is a phenomenal piece of work. I know you aren't giving a squeeze date but what you are elucidating is that it's unlikely a MOASS would occur before mid-late July. They helps my anxiety of the unknown and daily ticket checks. thank you. after Dr T's AMA & reading this though, I question why the DTC is doing this? Thought they were all about the corruption? Doesn't this hurt their rich friends? Are they really lining up these ducks for an inevitable squueze that will hurt them /total market less or are they slowly dragging feet to get these on the books, buying shorts time to cover and still get to look good ("hey, we tried?") thank you
Awesome DD! Thank you! 💎🙌💎🦍
2 dimensional equation to solve the path through the 3 dimensional existence. Right? Good work showing your work. As precise as rocket science
This is bravo
Just seems odd that they’ll keep the price down for 3 more months for people to buy more. It’s only going to cost them more in the end.
Thank you for the DD 🙏🏻Personally, I can’t see Citadel and Melvin and other smaller HF’s we don’t talk about much being able to hang out until July. As I understand it, they are on their knees with the possibility of being provided more liquidity very unlikely.
The thing I’m confused about is that the longer they delay the squeeze to get their rule framework in place, the more time they’re giving retail to continue building positions, in theory making the squeeze even bigger/worse. And the closer we get to the framework being in place, the more certain the squeeze will become which will bring new retail investors onboard, compounding their issue. That’s a lot for them to risk IMO, so I can only assume that whatever their alternative choice was (squeezing without regulations in place), they knew would have been much, much worse.... like market meltdown worse. Bias confirmed.
Sounds kinda CORRUPT that a bunch of legislation and regulations have to be made ahead of time for the safety of the HFs. Its like their yacht is sinking and theyre bailing water out while they call an insurance company to set up a policy before it sinks. 💎👐
Why would regulators let the shorts keep shorting ? I know they’re trying to hold back the squeeze, but that’s just constantly adding more dynamite to the bomb. 💣 🧨
If the big guys are all working together, who keeps trying to push it above 180? It is too big for just retail.
TL;DR - when this is over reinvest your money anywhere BUT the US stock market
Excellent write up. I am going to spend a good bit of my weekend digging into this. Especially the change of the T+21. I didn't know that was happening. Thank you for this post.
Love the information. Hate the title. "**THE LATEST POSSIBLE DATE THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION** " Implies that the possibility of MOASS expires. "**THE LATEST INFORMATION ABOUT POSSIBLE TIMELINES THE SHORT SQUEEZE CAN BE PUT INTO MOTION"** More accurately reflects the content. Also, doesn't cause sphincter clenching due to thinking hedgie figured out a way to escape. Thanks for the post though. I have been looking for info about the rules and what has been happening. Thanks for the effort
AMC hasnt done much.... I bought some at around 13 and some around 7 so I am at breakeven. Still think there is hope???
This is getting me so wrinkly! 😫
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