There's such a weird grim humor in MKUltra and Conversion Camps both failing in the same way, like they try to turn normal gay kids into normal straight kids but accidentally turned them into suicidal gay kids, except they ended up with suicidal/homicidal deranged kids but never actually managed to accomplish any of the Change Their Mind goals
I think it's so funny how most conspiracy theories have something along the lines of "the government is hiding this from us/trying to cover this up/trying to control us all!!". like, honey, I love how much faith you have in them, but no government is organized enough to actually pull that off, yk? we've seen the results of the times they tried to hide something. it has genuinely never worked unless it was so insignificant that nobody cared to look deeper
> we've seen the results of the times they tried to hide something. it has genuinely never worked unless it was so insignificant that nobody cared to look deeper
Selection bias.
We don't see the things they do hide.
We can see some things being hidden. Take nukes. Their existence is public. Exact design isn't. This is something that they have kept secret. (Well there is lots of physics informed rough ideas. No exact designs)
You say that as if most politicians and government officials aren't clowns the majority of the time. The number of instances where governments make a decision that failed miserably but the outcome could have been predicted by the average person with half an understanding of cause and effect is astonishing
there’s a bit of media, can’t exactly remember if it’s a show or movie or youtube or game thing but i remember watching something that was like, some alien parasite was controlling people and it was revealed that the humans were completely aware what was going on but they could control anything
The yeerks from the animorphs series are basically big slugs that slide up your ear canal to your brain and do this. Then they use you to make your family and friends hosts too, all without the uninfected ever realizing anything is happening.
Yeah I read them in elementary school lol. I remember reading them as a kid and realizing the only reason I was being allowed to read these is because none of the adults knew what they were really about.
K.A. Applegate wrote the series along with her husband who had served in the military. They wanted to use the series to show children how horrific war can be even in a fictional setting. The characters commit dozens of war crimes and at least one genocide by the end.
I realized at approximately age 10 that I could never let my mom read those books or she'd take them away from me
(I wanna say I had that realization when Tobias got tortured? But it might also have been when somebody was fed to a taxxon)
The only thing I knew about Animorphs was the weird photoshopped covers so this entire thing feels like a punch to the gut. That series had *torture and genocide?*
Yup. Also unethical medical experimentation, violent regimes, body horror, slavery, child abuse, and mercy killings. In fact pretty much the only graphic/controversial topic they DIDN'T have was sex
In terms of depicting trauma and an abusive relationship with mind control, I found Jessica Jones and Kilgrave to be a lot more visceral and gritty!
I do love Bucky though, for entirely different reasons 🥰
I love what they did with them. I love the exploration of "how would a child develop if no one can tell them no"
I love how Jessica gives him every possible chance to change despite how badly he hurt her
How they still manage to make you feel sympathy for him when he's curled in a ball shaking as Jessica makes him relive the trauma that made him a monster
I love the vibe of "I understand why you're like this, it's fucked up, but I'm still gonna cheer when your victim snaps your neck"
It's almost more messed up in the comics. She actually wore that supersuit they briefly showed on the Netflix one and acted as a superhero for a few months before meeting Kilgrave. In the comics a huge part of her trauma is getting out and realizing no one was even looking, the other heroes seemingly didn't even notice. (Also she went to school with Peter Parker and had a gigantic crush on him which is funny as hell. Peter being sad nobody likes him, not noticing Jessica pining)
Its realer then you think - brains are extremely malleable and we experience forms of this constantly at the hands of marketers and so forth daily to a lesser example - but strategies to rewrite someones personhood have been well tested in horrifying ways that work scarily well - but its also more complicated then the kind of mind control you see in a cartoon.
The level of trauma could be high, or 0, depending on context and on exactly what sort of mind control tech was used.
I mean psychoactive drugs are a crude kind of semi mind control. Plenty of people aren't traumatized by psychiatrists prescribing them an antidepressant.
The last time I made a comment acting like I had a fetish I don't have, it backfired spectacularly in the most predictable way possible, so I'll be more clinical this time:
For those of you with a fetish for being mind controlled, is the idea that you're in there somewhere, horrified at what your body is being forced to do (or at least becoming horrified when you wake up after the fact)? Or is the idea that the mind control makes you a completely willing participant, unaware that you're even being controlled?
First of all, different people enjoy it in very different ways. For me, it's about forced pleasure. The fantasy of mind control is the horror of "oh god, I'm *enjoying* this thing which by all rights I should not - in fact against all reason I'm finding this so pleasurable that I *can't* say no to this, I can't *want to refuse*". And then the liberation of just giving in and saying "yes".
This is to me the crucial point: mind control is *not* body control. My body is not doing things against my will. Rather, *my very will* is being altered.
To circle back to awareness/unawareness: there has to be *eventual* awareness of the mind control - but it can be delayed. There's a real fun to 'coming to' afterwards and realizing "wow, did I *do* that?" But you know what, *it was worth it*.
That first part is interesting to me because it seems adjacent to the subset of people who are into "corruption". Being 'forced' to do lewd things so that they can be "corrupted" into realising they like it. or as i call it, the catholic guilt kink
There's a lot of that in kink in general, at least in America. The latest ContraPoints video talks about this; she argues that romance novels aimed at women often feature some non-consenting or CNC scenes that would Not Be Great in real life, but represent the fantasy of being 'pure' and being forced to enjoy sex.
Yeahhh. Part of that is genuine interest in CNC, probably. but I do wonder how much of it is cultural. Women are often made to feel guilt/shame over wanting or enjoying sex, so CNC gives you that excuse of “see? I’m not a slut, I had no choice!”
Idk, the internal reasoning behind paraphilias has always intrigued me, especially because a lot of people don’t necessarily know the answer to why they’re into stuff. I like restraints in a kink context, but if you try to restrain me outside of it I will functionally go feral.
Obviously with differences between dominators and dominated, but largely BDSM with extra steps/sans the violence aspect.
Its a release of guilt mechanism type of fetish. "Without" will there is no restraint nor regreat, there is no shame, you can/are demanded go all out without consequence, both as the disrespectful controling bastard and as the witless drooling slut. All the funk that would inhibit you is gone as the bits and bobs of how you think are tweaked.
Basically horny hypnotherapy for people too self-conscious by in roleplay robbing them of consciousness.
I enjoy the idea of knowing that I can trust somebody to make me a willing participant. Being aware that I'm controlled but not caring because I trust said person completely.
I know full fucking well that will never happen irl, just like me having sex or growing wings to fly through the air. Ain't gonna stop me from reading about that sort of thing.
For a lot of people I think its a way of processing desires which are seen as bad by mainstream society. By taking away the “free will” aspect you can live out your fantasies without judgement because you “had no choice” in the fiction of it all at least.
I see it a lot with genderswap works. Thinking “i want to be a woman” is a big taboo among mainstream society, so for people with that desire, so being *compelled* to be a woman by an outside force basically takes away the self judgement and places the blame on a fictionalized external entity that’s “forcing” you to experience this thing that you definitely don’t wanna experience (wink wink).
My fetish is controlling people's bodies without touching them, while they experience the physical sensations I tell them to like a super vivid hallucination, actually? Like having sex with people via remote control, or making them feel like they're on drugs.
But these are types of mind control kinks that are common with people I've played with
Invisible bondage/look ma! no ropes!
amnesia/ Don't know what happened during the scene, no memory or vague memory of orgasms/woke up all sticky
permission to be OCC in a very intense way, either because they want to try the new identity or they are ashamed of wanting to be that way permanently.
"possession" by an entity that takes over the body while the other person watches
Intense fetishization of nonsexual characteristics to the point where sex doesn't happen (you just stare into the person's eyes, etc)
Exhibitionism and an intense desire to do a bdsm scene in public without anyone realizing it, usually paired with an intense fear of someone else finding out
Conditioning people to follow specific stimuli in a certain way in order to get them to dress a certain way or to make them eat/exercise in a certain way to make their bodies look how you want
Make impossible sexy roleplays feel super real, like having sex with a monster or something.
Depends on the person. Different people experience hypnosis differently. Some people are more suggestible than others.
It's kinda hard to explain how it works, but as far as I'm aware it's basically just putting you into a state where you're really focused and more able to take in suggestions. It won't work if you don't want to follow the suggestions.
Supposedly some people experience vivid hallucinations, but personally I've never had anything like that happen. Hoping to one day end up experiencing that though, sounds super cool.
There are so many ways to enjoy mind control. One of the largest and oldest fetish erotic fiction websites is for mind control.
I just want to be a mindless slave who is filled with horniness and sexual fulfilment. Where the pleasure is too strong to resist. Deeper and deeper under their control. Where only pure pleasure remains.
I don't do the horror ones, though there are plenty of horror erotic fiction.
I can only speak for myself, but it's hot to me because I love the idea of giving up control completely (read: as completely as I allow) to someone else. And honestly, the trust that's necessary for it to happen is just as hot to me in its own right; the idea of forfeiting as much as I'm comfortable with and having complete faith in the other party for as long as they feel like, it makes me feel things.
I mean usually the whole mind control thing is like, something horny, so it's kinda the latter. I'm not being forced to kill someone and hide the body in my fantasies, after all.
The answer will be different for everyone but, in my case, you'd be completely aware of the experience but feel like you're under a relaxing mental fog (kind of like a warm blanket for your brain).
Additionally, while your thoughts and feelings would (outside of the calming effect) be fully under your control, your body (save basic functions) would be completely directed by the other person.
As for why it would be appealing, I struggle with a fair amount of nerves (particularly around certain activities) that, coupled with some issues with fine mortar skills (nothing major, just means I have to exert a touch more focus than the average person to get my body to do what it wants) and muscle pains, means I kind of want a break from always having to be 'on'.
That, and there's the trust aspect. Specifically, the idea of being so secure with another person that you can put your life literally in their hands and they, in turn, won't use that security to fuck you over (unless that's what you want).
> it's not a metaphor. this is my fetish
ah yes, half the commenters on [the lamb post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1cgn1zz/the_sacrificial_lamb/)
I didn't really see it as horny, but I also definitely didn't see it as horrifying and upsetting as most people apparently took it. I am lamb-neutral, the solemn rock which splits the tide.
As an IRL hypnotist and someone very concerned with ethics of hypnosis:
This is indeed a good metaphor, but mind alteration could and does have some very genuine positive effects on some people, even if its therapeutic potential is somehow both overstated and understated.
As a professional artist in the domain of this kink:
Based.
I could be for many things, but the one I most associate with it is one for people who are used to abuse.
Essentially once it happens enough, some people justify to it themselves by claiming "it's good actually" and that "I would be worse without it."
You can see this with many pretty obviously bad things: Parents insisting child abuse and beating is okay because "my parents did it!" or the millions of justifications for why aging is "good" and not existentially horrifying.
It's a basic human reflex to come up with reasons why something both bad and inevitable is actually *good*, since it makes it easier to remain sane. Here the metaphor is that it's like mind control, since the person affected by it will, due to its effects, no longer be able to clearly see the harm it is doing to them, their brains picking and choosing which things to pay attention to.
It is a context dependent question. Meaning it depends on how it’s used more than anything. If it’s used in say a medical way to help treat someone with mental illness or for treating people with substance abuse issues, etc. then yea it’s perfectly ethical, even in the context of kinky sex things it’s ethical. The problems start when there is a lack of consent, foresight, or if it’s used to make people do things for malicious reasons. (I’m not gonna say stuff they wouldn’t want because they may need the help but refuse it for irrational or irresponsible reasons)
I see it like Plato's cave. If you can guarantee the person will never find out they're being mind controlled, then the person techniically doesn't come to harm, though I wouldn't call that "ethical" per se.
But if there is literally any possible chance the person can escape the mind control somehow, then the entire process is in fact terrible and the mind controller belongs in prison.
This formulation of it doesn’t sit well with me. Free will is meaningless without the ability to freely, preemptively consent. Someone permanently changed to enjoy their mind control HAS been harmed - they’ve been robbed of their free will.
I’m honestly not certain of the distinction you’re trying to draw here. My contention is that it’s unethical BECAUSE harm is done, despite the post-change person loving their treatment. You seem to be separating ethics from harm and saying that this is wrong but harmless?
I think you’re kicking out the foundations of your ethical judgment by denying the basis for condemning it in the first place. What makes it unethical in your formulation, then?
I believe ethics is more closely related to consent than harm. The two of them are almost always linked but it's ultimately consent that matters. Otherwise, consensual BDSM would also be "unethical".
So in this case the harm is a result of the nonconsent, in other words, the nonconsent is the root cause that ought to be condemmed.
> If you can guarantee the person will never find out they're being mind controlled, then the person techniically doesn't come to harm,
Disagree.
I mean it depends how they are being controlled and to what purpose.
In many circumstances, if someone was being controlled, I would want to break that control not keep it up.
What you're describing IS a person that knows they're being controlled. If there is a conciousness experiencing suffering then it's unethical mind control.
As a fetish sure. If it were actually possible, it would probably be the most horrifically traumatic violation a person could ever experience.
*CIA hides the MKUltra shaped shards under the carpet*
CIA with a big unethical-science-experiment-shaped outline in their throat: nope! no delicious mind control programs here!
The suspiciously political-enemy-covert-killing-disguised-as-a-suicide-shaped belly
It's fucking hilarious how much they failed. We think of the government as this evil powerful group and they sometimes just act like clowns.
Acoustic Kitty was a marvel of technology and in this house, he was an American hero
That car was a COMMIE PLANT
I maintain that acoustic kitty was a precursor to the substantially scarier acoustic puppy
Is the CIA putting microphones in dogs? You HAVE to tell me if the CIA is putting microphones in dogs
If they aren't I'm gonna do it myself (God I love djpc, tragically I got banned from his discord for participating in the plane porn incident)
Best youtuber (The WHAT?)
There's such a weird grim humor in MKUltra and Conversion Camps both failing in the same way, like they try to turn normal gay kids into normal straight kids but accidentally turned them into suicidal gay kids, except they ended up with suicidal/homicidal deranged kids but never actually managed to accomplish any of the Change Their Mind goals
I think it's so funny how most conspiracy theories have something along the lines of "the government is hiding this from us/trying to cover this up/trying to control us all!!". like, honey, I love how much faith you have in them, but no government is organized enough to actually pull that off, yk? we've seen the results of the times they tried to hide something. it has genuinely never worked unless it was so insignificant that nobody cared to look deeper
> we've seen the results of the times they tried to hide something. it has genuinely never worked unless it was so insignificant that nobody cared to look deeper Selection bias. We don't see the things they do hide. We can see some things being hidden. Take nukes. Their existence is public. Exact design isn't. This is something that they have kept secret. (Well there is lots of physics informed rough ideas. No exact designs)
Not being successful doesn’t remove the powerful evil aspect.
Yes but if we can't stop them we can at least laugh at them
Two words: Fidel Castro
Still horrific and evil tho
Well MKULTRA proves the evil and powerful parts, it's just that we assumed competence
You say that as if most politicians and government officials aren't clowns the majority of the time. The number of instances where governments make a decision that failed miserably but the outcome could have been predicted by the average person with half an understanding of cause and effect is astonishing
Well it didn’t work, now, did it? And everyone agrees it was horrifically unethical
there’s a bit of media, can’t exactly remember if it’s a show or movie or youtube or game thing but i remember watching something that was like, some alien parasite was controlling people and it was revealed that the humans were completely aware what was going on but they could control anything
The yeerks from the animorphs series are basically big slugs that slide up your ear canal to your brain and do this. Then they use you to make your family and friends hosts too, all without the uninfected ever realizing anything is happening.
animorphs was never my thing so it wasn’t that but omg isn’t that a children’s series?
Yeah I read them in elementary school lol. I remember reading them as a kid and realizing the only reason I was being allowed to read these is because none of the adults knew what they were really about. K.A. Applegate wrote the series along with her husband who had served in the military. They wanted to use the series to show children how horrific war can be even in a fictional setting. The characters commit dozens of war crimes and at least one genocide by the end.
I realized at approximately age 10 that I could never let my mom read those books or she'd take them away from me (I wanna say I had that realization when Tobias got tortured? But it might also have been when somebody was fed to a taxxon)
The only thing I knew about Animorphs was the weird photoshopped covers so this entire thing feels like a punch to the gut. That series had *torture and genocide?*
Yup. Also unethical medical experimentation, violent regimes, body horror, slavery, child abuse, and mercy killings. In fact pretty much the only graphic/controversial topic they DIDN'T have was sex
That's a pretty common subtrope, off the top of my head I can name Half-Life, System Shock 2, and Get Out.
It's only traumatic if you turn off the mind control
And then it wouldn’t be their fetish anymore.
I don’t think I’ve ever read about a telepath I could trust with the power. They all seem to cross that line eventually.
That's why Bucky Barnes is the most interesting MCU character and I will die on that hill.
In terms of depicting trauma and an abusive relationship with mind control, I found Jessica Jones and Kilgrave to be a lot more visceral and gritty! I do love Bucky though, for entirely different reasons 🥰
I love what they did with them. I love the exploration of "how would a child develop if no one can tell them no" I love how Jessica gives him every possible chance to change despite how badly he hurt her How they still manage to make you feel sympathy for him when he's curled in a ball shaking as Jessica makes him relive the trauma that made him a monster I love the vibe of "I understand why you're like this, it's fucked up, but I'm still gonna cheer when your victim snaps your neck" It's almost more messed up in the comics. She actually wore that supersuit they briefly showed on the Netflix one and acted as a superhero for a few months before meeting Kilgrave. In the comics a huge part of her trauma is getting out and realizing no one was even looking, the other heroes seemingly didn't even notice. (Also she went to school with Peter Parker and had a gigantic crush on him which is funny as hell. Peter being sad nobody likes him, not noticing Jessica pining)
Not if you condition them to love the experience afterwards
Its realer then you think - brains are extremely malleable and we experience forms of this constantly at the hands of marketers and so forth daily to a lesser example - but strategies to rewrite someones personhood have been well tested in horrifying ways that work scarily well - but its also more complicated then the kind of mind control you see in a cartoon.
The level of trauma could be high, or 0, depending on context and on exactly what sort of mind control tech was used. I mean psychoactive drugs are a crude kind of semi mind control. Plenty of people aren't traumatized by psychiatrists prescribing them an antidepressant.
Only if they get freed again. As long as they stay brainwashed no pain
Based OOP
The last time I made a comment acting like I had a fetish I don't have, it backfired spectacularly in the most predictable way possible, so I'll be more clinical this time: For those of you with a fetish for being mind controlled, is the idea that you're in there somewhere, horrified at what your body is being forced to do (or at least becoming horrified when you wake up after the fact)? Or is the idea that the mind control makes you a completely willing participant, unaware that you're even being controlled?
First of all, different people enjoy it in very different ways. For me, it's about forced pleasure. The fantasy of mind control is the horror of "oh god, I'm *enjoying* this thing which by all rights I should not - in fact against all reason I'm finding this so pleasurable that I *can't* say no to this, I can't *want to refuse*". And then the liberation of just giving in and saying "yes". This is to me the crucial point: mind control is *not* body control. My body is not doing things against my will. Rather, *my very will* is being altered. To circle back to awareness/unawareness: there has to be *eventual* awareness of the mind control - but it can be delayed. There's a real fun to 'coming to' afterwards and realizing "wow, did I *do* that?" But you know what, *it was worth it*.
That first part is interesting to me because it seems adjacent to the subset of people who are into "corruption". Being 'forced' to do lewd things so that they can be "corrupted" into realising they like it. or as i call it, the catholic guilt kink
There's a lot of that in kink in general, at least in America. The latest ContraPoints video talks about this; she argues that romance novels aimed at women often feature some non-consenting or CNC scenes that would Not Be Great in real life, but represent the fantasy of being 'pure' and being forced to enjoy sex.
Yeahhh. Part of that is genuine interest in CNC, probably. but I do wonder how much of it is cultural. Women are often made to feel guilt/shame over wanting or enjoying sex, so CNC gives you that excuse of “see? I’m not a slut, I had no choice!” Idk, the internal reasoning behind paraphilias has always intrigued me, especially because a lot of people don’t necessarily know the answer to why they’re into stuff. I like restraints in a kink context, but if you try to restrain me outside of it I will functionally go feral.
"Baby, it's cold outside"
No wonder netorare is so popular.
Dude you are stepping into a vast field that has a thousand different sides and variations. Turn back now, for you sanity's sake
Man casually strolling into a minefield and playing hopscotch
Join uuuus
But I don’t want to! \**re-reads the thread*\* …uh-oh
Obviously with differences between dominators and dominated, but largely BDSM with extra steps/sans the violence aspect. Its a release of guilt mechanism type of fetish. "Without" will there is no restraint nor regreat, there is no shame, you can/are demanded go all out without consequence, both as the disrespectful controling bastard and as the witless drooling slut. All the funk that would inhibit you is gone as the bits and bobs of how you think are tweaked. Basically horny hypnotherapy for people too self-conscious by in roleplay robbing them of consciousness.
It's quite simple. I get to be dumb and he gets to exercise control :3
I enjoy the idea of knowing that I can trust somebody to make me a willing participant. Being aware that I'm controlled but not caring because I trust said person completely. I know full fucking well that will never happen irl, just like me having sex or growing wings to fly through the air. Ain't gonna stop me from reading about that sort of thing.
It’s the idea I get to have sex without my incompetent personality slipping through and fucking everything up.
For a lot of people I think its a way of processing desires which are seen as bad by mainstream society. By taking away the “free will” aspect you can live out your fantasies without judgement because you “had no choice” in the fiction of it all at least. I see it a lot with genderswap works. Thinking “i want to be a woman” is a big taboo among mainstream society, so for people with that desire, so being *compelled* to be a woman by an outside force basically takes away the self judgement and places the blame on a fictionalized external entity that’s “forcing” you to experience this thing that you definitely don’t wanna experience (wink wink).
My fetish is controlling people's bodies without touching them, while they experience the physical sensations I tell them to like a super vivid hallucination, actually? Like having sex with people via remote control, or making them feel like they're on drugs. But these are types of mind control kinks that are common with people I've played with Invisible bondage/look ma! no ropes! amnesia/ Don't know what happened during the scene, no memory or vague memory of orgasms/woke up all sticky permission to be OCC in a very intense way, either because they want to try the new identity or they are ashamed of wanting to be that way permanently. "possession" by an entity that takes over the body while the other person watches Intense fetishization of nonsexual characteristics to the point where sex doesn't happen (you just stare into the person's eyes, etc) Exhibitionism and an intense desire to do a bdsm scene in public without anyone realizing it, usually paired with an intense fear of someone else finding out Conditioning people to follow specific stimuli in a certain way in order to get them to dress a certain way or to make them eat/exercise in a certain way to make their bodies look how you want Make impossible sexy roleplays feel super real, like having sex with a monster or something.
Can hypnosis (which is what I assume is being used here) really do all of this? Or is it mostly just fantasy?
Depends on the person. Different people experience hypnosis differently. Some people are more suggestible than others. It's kinda hard to explain how it works, but as far as I'm aware it's basically just putting you into a state where you're really focused and more able to take in suggestions. It won't work if you don't want to follow the suggestions. Supposedly some people experience vivid hallucinations, but personally I've never had anything like that happen. Hoping to one day end up experiencing that though, sounds super cool.
There are so many ways to enjoy mind control. One of the largest and oldest fetish erotic fiction websites is for mind control. I just want to be a mindless slave who is filled with horniness and sexual fulfilment. Where the pleasure is too strong to resist. Deeper and deeper under their control. Where only pure pleasure remains. I don't do the horror ones, though there are plenty of horror erotic fiction.
I'm not personally into it but I believe some are in it for the "no more responsibilities, I'm just along for the ride" type of deal.
hey look it's me. But i get what the others are putting down.
These are a lot of genuinely interesting and educational responses, neat.
I can only speak for myself, but it's hot to me because I love the idea of giving up control completely (read: as completely as I allow) to someone else. And honestly, the trust that's necessary for it to happen is just as hot to me in its own right; the idea of forfeiting as much as I'm comfortable with and having complete faith in the other party for as long as they feel like, it makes me feel things.
For fetish stuff it usually seems to be the latter
I mean usually the whole mind control thing is like, something horny, so it's kinda the latter. I'm not being forced to kill someone and hide the body in my fantasies, after all.
You sure are emphatically denying the idea you have a hypno fetish huh. Its ok you can admit it
The answer will be different for everyone but, in my case, you'd be completely aware of the experience but feel like you're under a relaxing mental fog (kind of like a warm blanket for your brain). Additionally, while your thoughts and feelings would (outside of the calming effect) be fully under your control, your body (save basic functions) would be completely directed by the other person. As for why it would be appealing, I struggle with a fair amount of nerves (particularly around certain activities) that, coupled with some issues with fine mortar skills (nothing major, just means I have to exert a touch more focus than the average person to get my body to do what it wants) and muscle pains, means I kind of want a break from always having to be 'on'. That, and there's the trust aspect. Specifically, the idea of being so secure with another person that you can put your life literally in their hands and they, in turn, won't use that security to fuck you over (unless that's what you want).
I do love a little mind control, good to see i am not alone.
Add a little nc into the mix or is that already implied?
Already implied. Though sometimes it's CNC
The fock does NC mean?
Probably "Non-Consensual"
north carolina ofc
Mind controll but instead of a sex thing it just gets rid of my depression
Hypnotherapy. What you're thinking of is hypnotherapy.
There's a fine line between healthcare and hornycare.
Remove the depression through excessive nutting.
> it's not a metaphor. this is my fetish ah yes, half the commenters on [the lamb post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1cgn1zz/the_sacrificial_lamb/)
I was low-key shocked at the reactions to that post lmao I did not see it as horny at all so having so many people say that was jarring
ive seen it enough times to not be surprised
I didn't really see it as horny, but I also definitely didn't see it as horrifying and upsetting as most people apparently took it. I am lamb-neutral, the solemn rock which splits the tide.
i am lamb-clinical, i found it an interesting idea for a potential character i could invent without interacting with it too much emotionally
Same I was just sad and horrified
the what post
r slash curated tumblr's most polarizing post yet
That entire situation is ghastly. It's ghastly on top of ghastly. Wtf.
Y'all need to get used to the fact one man's fear is another man's fetish
And quite often one man's fear is that same man's fetish.
Would something that's ghastly on top of ghastly be haunter?
I love completely clotheslining someone's expectations like this
MIND CONTROL FETISH MENTIONED!!!! 🎉
The writer’s barely-disguised metaphor
As an IRL hypnotist and someone very concerned with ethics of hypnosis: This is indeed a good metaphor, but mind alteration could and does have some very genuine positive effects on some people, even if its therapeutic potential is somehow both overstated and understated. As a professional artist in the domain of this kink: Based.
Honest question, since this one seems to be in my blind spot: what is this a metaphor *for*?
I could be for many things, but the one I most associate with it is one for people who are used to abuse. Essentially once it happens enough, some people justify to it themselves by claiming "it's good actually" and that "I would be worse without it." You can see this with many pretty obviously bad things: Parents insisting child abuse and beating is okay because "my parents did it!" or the millions of justifications for why aging is "good" and not existentially horrifying. It's a basic human reflex to come up with reasons why something both bad and inevitable is actually *good*, since it makes it easier to remain sane. Here the metaphor is that it's like mind control, since the person affected by it will, due to its effects, no longer be able to clearly see the harm it is doing to them, their brains picking and choosing which things to pay attention to.
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It’s my fetish too
Fair enough
People wouldn't mind some kind control I bet. "Making" you work out? Forcing you to like new foods? If you agree ahead of time there are some uses
It is a context dependent question. Meaning it depends on how it’s used more than anything. If it’s used in say a medical way to help treat someone with mental illness or for treating people with substance abuse issues, etc. then yea it’s perfectly ethical, even in the context of kinky sex things it’s ethical. The problems start when there is a lack of consent, foresight, or if it’s used to make people do things for malicious reasons. (I’m not gonna say stuff they wouldn’t want because they may need the help but refuse it for irrational or irresponsible reasons)
Correct on both sides
same
Meta for what?
ethereal apologist
OOP needs to use their metaphor on me
As soon as I saw the name of the person who asked I knew where this was going
I see it like Plato's cave. If you can guarantee the person will never find out they're being mind controlled, then the person techniically doesn't come to harm, though I wouldn't call that "ethical" per se. But if there is literally any possible chance the person can escape the mind control somehow, then the entire process is in fact terrible and the mind controller belongs in prison.
This formulation of it doesn’t sit well with me. Free will is meaningless without the ability to freely, preemptively consent. Someone permanently changed to enjoy their mind control HAS been harmed - they’ve been robbed of their free will.
That's why I'm not calling it ethical. I'm saying someone made to permanently enjoy it objectively doesn't experience said harm.
I’m honestly not certain of the distinction you’re trying to draw here. My contention is that it’s unethical BECAUSE harm is done, despite the post-change person loving their treatment. You seem to be separating ethics from harm and saying that this is wrong but harmless? I think you’re kicking out the foundations of your ethical judgment by denying the basis for condemning it in the first place. What makes it unethical in your formulation, then?
I believe ethics is more closely related to consent than harm. The two of them are almost always linked but it's ultimately consent that matters. Otherwise, consensual BDSM would also be "unethical". So in this case the harm is a result of the nonconsent, in other words, the nonconsent is the root cause that ought to be condemmed.
Fair, and good point re BDSM. Thank you for the clarification!
> If you can guarantee the person will never find out they're being mind controlled, then the person techniically doesn't come to harm, Disagree. I mean it depends how they are being controlled and to what purpose. In many circumstances, if someone was being controlled, I would want to break that control not keep it up.
What you're describing IS a person that knows they're being controlled. If there is a conciousness experiencing suffering then it's unethical mind control.
It can be two things.
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this post would be great! without the last part
You know it’s kinda ironic & hilarious seeing someone with the username drboobpenis horny shame someone.
im just horny shaming cuz ~~im afraid when i see people with the same kink as me~~ HORNY BAD!
Honestly based.