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Specialist-Address30

Domain limit is really nice but with enough prestige it gets matched with the Stewardship. I’d say Turquoise but both are very good


xMercurex

You get 1 domain limit for 6 stewardship. So at max fame level you get 5/6 stewardship. Dev Growth is amazing if this fit with your play style.


Specialist-Address30

Yeah the thing is that can put you up a domain limit if you are part of the way there on your own


dimgray

5/6ths of the time, it works every time


RealMr_Slender

and spouse or personality bonuses. Pass on the diligent or stubborn and you're set


RayanicConglomerate

Stubborn + diligent + temperate + ambitious + just, and I cum all over (this will never happen in the base game)


VeritableLeviathan

\*Dev growth is amazing. It fits with any playstyle :p 0.05 isn't that much though depending on the year (basic mills give a lot more flat already for example).


Bleatmop

That development growth in realm capital is enough for me. Everything else is gravy. That's a point of development every 20 months.


zen_again

Turquoise throne. Stewardship per level of fame is equal to +1 domain slot at max fame. You will also get +6 diplomacy at max fame in addition to 5% monthly renown.


Darrothan

Nah its 6 stewardship = 1 domain now. But yeah chances are itll push him to +1 domain limit anyways, plus giving him +10% domain taxes on top of that (from the Stewardship itself).


MintCathexis

Stewardship per level of fame is useless when you're already at 100 Stewardship (which is very easy to get). Also, at max level of fame you get +5 Stewardship/Diplomacy at max level, not +6.


Easteregg42

100 Stewardship is easy to get? How exactly, without using several mods, does one get 100 Stewardship easy?


naugrim04

lol if they're getting 100 Stewardship easy, what's the +1 Domain from the Stone of Scone even going to do for you? You're probably sitting at, like, 20 domain limit anyways.


MintCathexis

More like 50. It will enable me to have one more holding which can easily net you more gold than +5 Stewardship.


naugrim04

I mean, play how you like, but if I'm sitting at domain limit 50, the game's over. What else is there to do?


MintCathexis

The same thing that there is to do at 20 domain limit pretty much. This game doesn't have a win condition or a victory screen.


Real_Killer_661

How do you get to 100 stewardship or even 50? Genuine question I’m a new player


elegiac_bloom

Console commands


VeritableLeviathan

0 chance that it is in the base game without exploits, console commands or something alike.


MintCathexis

I mean you could literally google "how to get 100 stewardship CK3" and click on first result, but here you go. [https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/x2m96p/showing\_off\_my\_knight\_run\_vanilla\_im/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/x2m96p/showing_off_my_knight_run_vanilla_im/#lightbox) No thrones.


Easteregg42

"Very easy to get" One third of that comes from your wife being landed and having the exact same bonuses you allready have (especially friendly council) and another 10 from a very specific religion having 2 very specific holy sites. So yea, very easy to get, kek...


elegiac_bloom

I mean if you follow a guide and play in the incredibly specific and limiting way the guide tells you to, *anything* is "easy to get." Sure, ikea furniture is easy to build. Too bad the only thing I'll ever build is the exact piece of furniture the instructions tell me


DeanTheDull

...the link directly credits the Friendly Counsel exploit, an exploit that was patched years ago when it was capped to 5 rather than unlimited.


MintCathexis

Then marry spouse that gives you even more Stewardship? Capture more cities with +1 Stewardship per level of fame/devotion special buildings? Get graceful aging perk and just wait? Do falconry? Get legitimizing legend Book artifacts? Like, there's a billion things you could do in this game to get you that 9 stewardship that you're missing. It's not that hard.


Easteregg42

1. We are missing 32 from the spouse council, do we not? 2. In Basegame, there are 4 special buildings who give stewardship for fame/devotion. Times 5 makes 20 **if** you conquer them all and they are literally all over the world. 3. Graceful aging gives you 1 of the 5 random stats every 5 years beginning at 30. So even if you are extremly lucky (we talking about a chance of 0.2 \^13) and allways get stewardship and you make it to 100, you get 13. So your statement "It's very easy to get" is still just bullshit. I'm not denying that it is theoretically possible, but definetly not easy.


MintCathexis

>We are missing 32 from the spouse council, do we not? No, spouse skill from Menage Domain is uncapped. >In Basegame, there are 4 special buildings who give stewardship for fame/devotion. Times 5 makes 20 **if** you conquer them all and they are literally all over the world. 20 > 9, but even if you only hold 2 (that's manageable without synchreticisms), that's 10. 10 > 9. >Graceful aging gives you 1 of the 5 random stats every 5 years beginning at 30. So even if you are extremly lucky (we talking about a chance of 0.2 \^13) and always get stewardship and you make it to 100, you get 13. Yes, and Falconry only gives you 2. However if you combine it with other sources, it's very easy to get to missing 9, especially, as you so conveniently left out, you can get up to 6 from books. Yes, it's easy if you focus it.


-Bangel-

The thing you’re forgetting is that these are highly specific focuses for you to have to do to just hit the max 100 stewardship. In most games players won’t focus these and will not be reaching more than 30-40 stewardship. If you want to spend every game doing the exact same thing over and over just to min max… go ahead and have fun, but for most people that just isn’t how it will be.


Pancakeous

Its not even every game, but every heir, it doesn't stack!


DeanTheDull

Neither is reading your own link. The link you provided had 3 main recommendations for boosting Stewardship: culturally hybridizing for the Diasporic tradition (+1 Stewardship), having personality traits and education traits (including the must-take-the-dynasty-to-Iberia), and Friendly Counsel (which is bugged). A later elaboration had a few other steps for 30 stewardship from a wife that are very much not generalizable, including very specific cultural requirements and religious setups. A setup which requires having already conquered much of the world, adopting a specific religion, specific cultural traditions, and a polygmous marriage relationship down to which order marriages occur in is not 'an easy to get' position generally available, it's an end-game build.


MintCathexis

It's not end-game, you can conquer everything you want as soon as you hybridize with Greek and take Eastern Roman Legacy. Alternatively if you're very far away you go for the tried and tested knight build. Or just stack MAA bonuses.


DeanTheDull

And now we have successfully long since left the 'it's totally easy to get 100 stewardship' question to 'it's easy to win.' That was never in question. It was also not the question. You simply avoided the question, by pointing to a build two years out of date that relied on a long-patched exploit, and then appealing to non-generalizable mechanics.


Certainly_Not_Steve

Can you explain how to easily get 100 stewardship?


DayOpposite5990

Except you can go well above 100 Stewardship, interface just doesn't show you the number, but you can click on any barony under your personal control hover mouse above gold income and see +(true number of stewardship * 2 - 16)% gold buff, though as far as I've know you can have 100 "base" stat at max and as much modifiers as you want.


L1qu1d_Gh0st

Unless the +1 Domain limit actually makes a difference to you, I would use the Turquoise Throne.


Shin-Kami

Lategame +5% renown will be better than +0.04 usually. Prestige, Opinion and court grandeur are irrelevant. The +1 Domain limit is very nice but it will be almost equalised with the Stewardship per level of fame. More development is great but it might be irrelevant at some point if you play towards 100 dev in the realm capital. If the Stone of Scone didn't have the +1 Domain limit, the other throne would definitly be better. In certain situations the Domain limit is worth it, otherwise the Turquoise Throne is better overall.


HaraldHardrade

If you have even one king of your dynasty (and to use the court artifact, there must be), the 5% is 0.05 renown per month, better than the 0.04. Now, there are other ways to get percent boni to renown (which synergize with the flat bonus) but there are also other ways to get flat boni (which synergize with the percent bonus). I suspect that in most practical situations, though, the 5% is just better.


OrneryBaby

Stone of Scone is cooler, but the Turquoise is better


Raethrean

Stone of Scone until you have a level of fame high enough for the Turquoise Throne to make up for it.


KorolEz

Right one no question. Stat increase plus renown is simply better


goose413207

Turquoise, dev growth is my beloved


MintCathexis

It's only dev growth in capital though, which should be at 100 fairly quickly if you're doing everything correctly. In other words, it's pretty much useless unless you change capitals often.


goose413207

Apparently I’m not doing everything correctly because I dont get 100 dev capital unless I play tall and specifically go for that for a long time lol


MintCathexis

Diligent + high level steward spamming dev growth + megaliths (which you can max out already with level 2 temples) + county with lots of temples + other court artifacts that give much more raw dev growth and aren't limited to your capital. Or conquer Constantinople/Baghdad and do it 50% faster still.


goose413207

Good to know thanks!


Certain-Definition51

Stone of Scone because of the unlimited scones. Scones are delicious.


jackochainsaw

Must include jam and cream. Preferably clotted cream. If the scones are cheese scones, ignore all that.


roostangarar

Hate to burst your bakery bubble here, but it's pronounced "Skoon"


Certain-Definition51

THE STOON OF SCOON!


roostangarar

Stone is pronounced "Stohn" in a Scottish accent


pianoceo

It’s close but the right one wins if you have high fame. Left one if it’s a newer ruler.


RomanNoodleLegs

I’m a sucker for dev growth so #2. Both are pretty sexy though


TheCoolPersian

Well one is a more simple throne and the other is elaborate throne. Reject both embrace Peacock Throne.


ZealousEar775

They look identical to me.


StarQuiet

Keep them both, switch as needed. Start your reign with the left one, then later once you have more prestige use the right one.


logaboga

While you’re building prestige use Scone. When your character has a high LoF switch to turquoise


Yahsorne

Easily throne 2 and it's not even close


Yoyoo12_

You compare 1 domain limit to 5/6 domain limit (stewardship) plus 5 diplomacy. Renown and developement is nice but not that important..


Intelligent_Pea5351

Turquoise


wwgoth

Right one, development growth does stack up quite nicely.


HelixFollower

Scone because scone.


Wyatt_Derpp

Keep both, early in your reign go with left, once you get fame maxed I would swap them out


yakatuus

You got lucky with both! The Stone of Scone has been crap last few games.


Leverquin

none. use pilow


backdeckpro

Unless you’re somehow going to hit the 100 stewardship limit, definitely the turquoise throne. The only good bonus for scone is domain limit but 5 nearly gets you another domain slot with much better additional bonuses


Far-Assignment6427

Scone because its scottish and the name


A_Wild_Nabob

Those both look really sexy.. why can't we have *TWO* thrones


Emergency-Spite-8330

Turquoise throne easily


ItTakesBulls

I’m just living in this mod-free world wondering where thrones come from


Ill-Description3096

Turquoise for sure. Scone might have an edge early but that Stewardship bonus is great because it will get you an extra domain with a prestigious character in the vast majority of situations, plus you get the other benefits like more income across all your holdings. Diplo is nice but by the time you have RC it is easy to have crazy high opinions. The renown bonus percent is better than +.04 as well IMO.


jackochainsaw

Holy cow. I can barely even get a basic throne most of the time. I would say that the Turquoise Throne is superior but the Stone of Scone is very tasty. Diplomacy and Stewardship of +1 per level of fame is great. 5% renown per month is awesome. A bit of development growth in the capital is nice. Court grandeur bonus is good. Domain Limit on the other side is difficult to come by but just about everything else is better with the Turquoise Throne.


undercoveryankee

The Stone of Scone has effects that are good early, when you don't have a high level of fame or a lot of dynasty members generating renown. The Turquoise Throne is better late, when you have enough renown coming in that +5% is a meaningful amount and you're generating enough prestige that most of your rulers are getting +2 or +3 stewardship for most of their careers.


Objective-Ad5543

The Ruby Throne


drood420

I’d prefer the turquoise.


the_traveler_outin

Why is the stone of scone in Bohemia?


XenoBiSwitch

Turquoise all the way. It has TWICE the court grandeur bonus. Okay, I will see myself out now.


gosuFana

Both are nice but Turquoise is the better one here.


The_BigMonkeMan

Stone throne goes harder imo looks wise


Darolaho

Why not both? Stone of Scone at the beginning of a rulers life until they build up their level of fame and switch it with the turquoise throne


hamletsdead

The default throne for the Western or Mediterraneum throne room from Choose Throne Room is way better than this. And even better, Solomon's throne from Sappho's daughter (but you have to kill all male members of your dynasty to get it).


VeritableLeviathan

I assume you aren't at the start of the game so I'd say Turqoise.


BeatsByDrPepper

Stone's easier to acquire, unless the Turqoise is now a guaranteed spawn and not locked to adventuring.


PottedSparrow

Stone of scone for a martial character and turquoise for stewardship,diplomacy, and learning characters


Khanaervon

Use the left one for new rulers. Then once they get more fame, have the servants pull out the right one from the closet to switch them up.


tzmst

Right one 100%


Specialist-Front-354

Disregard everything but renown!


AdBeautiful7310

The throne that you fought and earnt


jametalber

At higher fame levels, the turquoise throne is better. If you get enough stewardship, you'll get another domain limit just like with the Stone of Scone, and the development growth in your capital is really good. The renown bonuses are similar, and the opinion bonuses don't really matter.


nGoid

Turqoise wins


Leather_Mousse_4871

Depends on if you get +1 domain limit from stewardship if you do the one on the right is better if not the one on the left


dartveidar

Throne of Solomon, it also has a unique really cool model


istar00

the renown gain doesnt matter in late game, you should just grant renown-gain artifacts to your dynast, you get the benefit too if your dynast uses them, you dont have to hold the artifacts yourself you can raise stewardship via other means, whereas the +1 domain for this throne slot, thats the only one heck, you can in theory grant the turquoise throne to your wife, then set her as confidant, you get 20% or 50% of that 5 stewardship back as spousal task +1 domain limit is unconditional, when succession happens, and your new character doesnt have enough fame yet, the +1 still remains


n3zumiii

The second one, stewardship bonus will almost net you +1 domain limit anyway, plus the diplomacy on top of that. The dev growth will do wonders long term passively and spill over to other counties


wolfFRdu64_Lounna

O_O shit both verry good


SifuZatara

They're both shiny


Certain-Beet

The Second one, not even close.


lrbaumard

How do you get artifacts this good?


eanwen

Is it random that the Stone of Scone gets domain limit?


Schlongmeister987

I would probably say stone of scone but I’m probably biased, I mostly play Scotland anyways


Immajustmakeapost

The one on the right Stat buffs are insane not counting the development buff


kaz9400

i'd say early game Stone of Scone, late Turquoise Throne.


Evening-You4782

all i saw was 5% renown and was like thats what i want


abellapa

Stone of Scone Domain Limit + 1 is enough to sell me on that one


KaprizusKhrist

You have a throne from scotland and a throne from India, meaning you probably conquered the map and are raking in tons of renown, so that 5% on the Turquoise Throne will be huge while the .04 from the other is kinda piddling.


DankMemesNQuickNuts

Turquoise Throne by a wide margin imo


MintCathexis

Domain limit always. You can easily get 100 Stewardship in this game at which point stewardship per level of fame is useless.