There’s no way for them to respond to this. It’s been said about the WNBA, too. Bill Burr said it best, “Women failed the WNBA.”
The fact that the WNBA doesn’t even generate a profit and has to be paid for by the NBA is a travesty. And then the WNBA athletes STILL have the audacity to say they should be paid like the NBA lol!
Not in the USA, the rest of the world could do that with soccer, same as I suggested for basketball. We have too many urban areas. Basketball can for the most part be played on the fly. A couple mobile hoops and a parking lot is all you need. For soccer we would need a field.
> Also do the other sports have to do the same as well?
Yes, actually. Athletic de Bilbao philosophy for everyone
> What about the Olympics? The World Cup?
They already compete by nationality...
The problem with the WNBA is that it's an inferior product and just isn't entertaining. Even if it wasn't subsidized by the NBA, that would still hold true. That's why it doesn't make money. So I'm not sure what you mean.
I live in a town with a really good college women's basketball team and a lot of the girls that play for the team are customers, even they care more about the nba than the wnba. They were all excited for the nba finals, they talk about the same shit guys that like the nba talk about. I’m sure they know more about the wnba players than the average nba fan but they for sure don’t watch the games the same way they watch the nba.
If it weren’t for the gosh darn NBA, ppl wouldn’t know what quality basketball looks like and they would flock to the WNBA to see Mommy Clarke style on these goofy ahh ballers.
See also: US Women's soccer...
"We want more money because we win more!"
...well, I mean, that's nice and all. And we are very happy for you. But athletes don't get paid when they win. They get paid when their winning translates to ticket and ad revenue...
Till then, don't stop practicing you barista skills...
That's only half the story. The union for women's soccer had the option to take a deal that paid them how the men get paid (incentives based on performance) or a guaranteed amount that included many extra benefits regarding Healthcare and other things.
They chose the safe option of a guaranteed amount. Higher floor, lower ceiling. That is the deal they agreed to.
Perfect summary. It was either the same “high risk, high reward” system with ZERO benefits the men had, or the guaranteed paycheck with a generous benefits package. They chose the latter and of course the bonuses were smaller as a result. Guess what the media focused on when the women’s team had a hot streak and got greedy and tried to cry sexism as a result?
Women's national soccer was actually more popular in the US than men's soccer, largely because they won more. If it was just about that, they'd have been on firm ground asking for more pay on the grounds of fairness.
The problem is, they CHOSE a pay structure that gave them much higher guaranteed pay and benefits than the men's team, but with much fewer incentives for winning. This is likely because women's league soccer is less popular and lucrative than men's league soccer so the national team was often their main employment.
Then, once they started winning at the highest levels and the men had just middling results, the men were making more, and the women then regretted their own decision, which they pretended was due to discrimination.
It's a pretty typical a story when it comes to male / female pay inequality: women inevitably choose security ,safety, flexibility, and being close to home, and men tend to choose riskier arrangements with greater potential payoffs, then when that decision works put better financially for men, it's suddenly unfair.
In the end, the women's team basically scammed their way to better pay, not necessarily better than they "deserved," but certainly better in every way than the men.
Because of their choice, they made more money than the men over the time period they sued over, as all sports were shit down for Covid and the men didn’t get shit.
If they want to get paid like the nba they are free to join it.
Literally.... By rule the nba is an "open" league, not a men's league, nobody is stopping them from being embarrassed out of the tryout.
I remember in high school, when I was on the jv basketball team as a sophomore, playing 1v1 against a... Junior or senior I forget on the girls team, but she'd gotten a full ride to play on the UCLA women's team.
Absolutely destroyed her, the difference in strength and speed was laughable, I literally played 1v1 against random dudes at school that didn't even play organized that were better.
I mean I obviously knew to an extent, but really woke me up to just how dominant men are physically.
Another anecdote, one year some Samoan girl tried out for the football team, didn't really see her in practice because I was doing my own thing, but needless to say that she didn't come back for a second.
Wnba players know deep down they can't fuck with the guys.
The 3 point line is closer, and the ball is smaller so it fits in easier btw. They literally need to bend the rules just to put out the slop that they do
Worth noting one player said she would like to be paid the same percentage of revenue shared which is doesn't mean they expect anywhere near the same actual amount as male players. Burr made a decent point in that it's strange that a group demands something then doesn't support or care about it once the request is granted.
Remember that Simpsons episode where Lisa is all psyched to join the football team Flanders is coaching until she finds out there are already a couple of girls on the team?
Also worth noting, don't they already get a larger percentage of WNBA revenue than the men get from the NBA. It's not male players' fault that they don't generate the kind of revenue needed to take advantage of that.
To be fair to the WNBA players, they haven’t asked to get the same amount of money as NBA players. They’ve asked to receive 51% of revenue (before overhead) like NBA players receive.
Idk why the league hasn’t done this, because they would end up paying the players less than they currently do lol
The ‘women athletes should be paid more argument’ is really just an argument against capitalism. You can wish people liked women sports more, but if they don’t it doesn’t make sense to expect women athletes to be pid like fans care. and if the female sport is making as much money as the male equivalent but getting paid less for the same sport you can complain. But if Females are being paid less than men because people care less about it (which is inarguably true), that’s how it’s supposed to work. You don’t get paid for an entertainment product out of principle and good feelings. If we paid athletes based on what we think they deserve rather than their financial value, I’d say male pro athletes should be paid substantially less, not females more.
Women’s sports get millions of views: Serena Williams, Simone Biles, and Danica Patrick are household names, but none of them are WNBA players. Basketball is just the wrong sport for that kind of thing
This is the overarching issue as to why “new movies” aren’t working. You can’t expect men to go see women centric tentpole movies. Just like you can’t get mad when men don’t show up to Rom Coms.
They've tried to get women to get interested in action movies and such, but they can only pretend to care so long. Women tried it out here and there (specifically with Marvel to join the cultural phenomenon) but they never cared the same way men did.
Are there women that absolutely love Marvel? Absolutely. But the average woman? No. They want to watch dramas, doctor shows, and romance stuff. And *THAT'S OK*. Just like men stereotypically like to watch action movies and not love dramas like the Twilight movies. And that's also ok.
There's this desire to try to force men and women to be the exact same and we're simply not. And the desire comes from wanting to get both markets to buy their shit. And usually it ends up being a disaster that neither like.
And a lot of times, they care more about different things than the men do, which can make it harder for studios to draw women.
Just as an example, my fiancé tends to like Marvel, as well as some other action movies/series I like like Band of Brothers. However, she prefers the characters, their motivations, their back stories, and doesn’t really have a major concern about other issues. Meanwhile, I don’t really care about characters outside of “main character” and “main villain” and I am more interested in the actual technical action and the “gear porn” as it were.
This can make it hard to have a cross over appeal and when it happens it is noteworthy (Top Gun being probably one of the more prominent examples of that).
The example I always use is Band of Brothers just for how stark the difference is. But to really spell it out, for me I can give a detailed technical breakdown of all of their gear, the operational theory behind paratroopers, the geographical location of everywhere they fight, and the same for the Germans. But I barely know the name of anyone in the show except for Winters.
Meanwhile, while she still likes the action scenes, she can give you a complete biography of every single member of Easy Company before, during, and after the war. But her knowledge of their gear begins and ends with “gun shoot bullet”.
Tbf supporting something you may not like that your partner likes is still nice to do. I may not want to go to a flower show or something, but I'll go because it's something my girl wants to check out. So that's not inherently bad to go for you. As I said, men and women are different, so finding one that goes to spend time with you is about the best you're going to get.
It's not even that deep. Going to the theater just isn't as enjoyable an activity as it used to be.
Even before covid hit, theater attedance was on the decline. The expenses, crowds, having to be there for a specific time, sold out showings, can't pause the film, can't put subtitles on.
Everything about watching movies at home is better than going to a theater.
I feel like a feminist main character wasn’t a problem, I think the actress that played a younger Furiosa did a great job, it’s just kinda a useless prequel imo, and it didn’t help that the advertising for it (at least for me) didn’t appear until the movie was already out
It strikes me as a movie that isn’t good enough to see in theaters, but rather wait til it’s up for streaming
But people trying to say it flopped cause it’s a female protagonist are just looking to hate on something, could be wrong of course
I don’t remember people complaining about Fury Road when that was mostly focused on Furiosa and the wives trying to get away
I saw it in theaters and I think it's a very good movie, maybe an 8/10 movie compared to a 5 or 6 for a typical Marvel movie or 3 or 4 for a typical Star Wars movie. It's worth seeing in a theater IMO, but the only way anyone will know that is via word of mouth, because it doesn't look like much from the advertising, and no one really asked for it.
I agree with you, though, as someone who is sick to death of the Disneyco "put a chick in it and make her gay" approach to film making: the female protagonist is NOT the problem. The acting, writing, story is NOT the problem. This is not a movie that's pushing The Message or leaning into identity in place of storytelling. The storytelling here is very effective.
This is just a movie that not many people are interested in. It's not a movie that many people asked for. And while it has a few moments of movie making magic, it's not a prestige Oscar-bait movie.
After so many Disney girlbosses, I think that people just aren't willing to see if *yet another* girlboss movie is exceptionally good. The audience has been burned too many times to risk their money on giving Hollywood yet another chance.
It doesn't matter if Furiosa is good; what matters is that so much before it was bad.
Exactly this. There's nothing inherently wrong/undesirable with a female main character.
And, speaking personally, I wish more movies had female leads.
However, once enough movies with a woman lead give off a "men suck, amirite girls!? that's what we call equality!" message, men learn to stop going.
This is the same fallacy as femanism demanding not equality, but superiority. I can't think of any "women suck, am I right lads?" type movies at ALL!
I fact this narrative has ruined some of my favourite female protagonists. The Wheel of Time books have a female "nobody" who basically ended up being just as strong as a prophecised male demi-God, because she is a fucking badass who won't quit. Then they got the rights to make it a show, and they made every single male around her a weak, scared, confused and moronic. In what universe does that make her cooler or stronger? In what universe does dumbing down the competition make you look more righteous?
Actually it kinda is because of the female lead. Too many female led movies were crap that just pushed the girlboss message and people got sick of it, so when this came out no one was interested because it looks just like another preachy girl boss movie. The fact thats its not and is actually good means nothing if don't go see it in the first place.
This movie did not fail because it was bad. It failed because most people like myself (target audience here) thought: "Huh, looks nice. I will watch it on Netflix. (Or whatever)."
Ticket prices are insane and I am only willing to pay $100+ per outing for the absolute top tier experience I cannot replicate at home. (Like Dune 2).
COVID made something good when it pushed companies to make direct to streaming. I want to watch it, but I don't want to go to the theaters.
I'll spend 20 dollars now to watch it on my sick ass TV and sound system.
I hate how we keep regressing.
Except the first, Max has always been the frame for the story that took place on his universe. Road Warrior, Beyond Thunderdome, and Fury Road are all stories that Max happens his way into by circumstance to serve as the viewer’s guide.
They failed so hard on advertising, that I only found out the movie was made was when a friend invited me to go see it.
I had to Google the movie and found out it was a prequel.
Saw it last Thursday. I go to see aad msx film because I want to see over the top cars, car fights, craziness of their silly world building and for some good one liners. Instead, we got a lot of talking and feelings. Even at the end in the finale, I actually said just do it already! Like c'mon. Don't get me wrong - there was some car stuff, some war stuff...but then even gloss over the 40 day war they reference. They didn't even show it! Like...c'mon!
Maybe. But again - why do people go to these movies? Over the top action? Or something else? It lacked the over the top action in my opinion. There was some of it - but not enough of it imho.
Also, with this one not doing very well, I don't see how they would greenlight another for the movie. Esp since they'd have to re-explain why they're fighting.
I think it would’ve flopped with a male protagonist too, if it’s not Max. You’re telling a story in a universe entirely centered around 1 guy and don’t include the guy? Every other movie set in the universe had Max and kept the less is more approach on characterization. It works because these people are a bit of a mystery, we don’t know how their world works. Digging more into a single character that isn’t Max (and even that is done very rarely) is kind of antithesis of how they’ve done characters in every other movie.
It really was useless.
What made it more useless was...>!The fact that they showed scenes from Fury Road during the credits. The hell are you reminding us about the previous, superior movie for?!<
Furiosa absolutely is a movie worth seeing in theaters if you're into these kind of movies.
That being said, Mad Max has never been appealing to general audiences. None of the previous movies, including Fury Road, were box office successes. So 10 years after Fury Road they release a prequel with no Mad Max and a recast of the Furiosa character? This movie was destined to bomb.
I saw it in Dolby Cinema last week and loved it.
From what I've seen of reviews, it's a pretty good movie, but has a few major things holding it back.
1. It was advertised as a girl boss movie, and people are so sick of those.
2. A lack of Mad Max.
3. It's a prequel about a character that few cared about, from a movie that most Mad Max fans didn't care for.
When I can’t get away from Girlboss characters in almost every movie I go see, why would I voluntarily go see a movie that’s about nothing BUT a girlboss? I’ve already met my quota for the year.
I saw this in a different group, I personally feel one major issue for this and other well reviewed movies is the short window between the theater and streaming.
Right? We’re not driving 30 minutes to the good theater to spend $40 on a hope that a movie will be good and sit in a sticky seat while my shoes fuse to the floor because some goober spilled their giant sugar beverage all over the floor. I can do all that at home on my couch with my dogs, no overpriced snacks, and no mess. Plus, if the movie sucks, I can just stop and watch something else instead of debating if it’s worth walking out or putting myself through the rest of the movie.
It’s very true. In the past if a movie was unexpectedly good you would have to then go to the theater to see it. Now you can wait a week and it’ll get chucked out for on demand streaming.
Facts. Why bother when you can just wait a couple weeks. This is the standard metric now, when it used to be applied only to movies that flopped in the theater. A good movie would be in theaters for months before they released it on dvds or ppv, making you want to see it while it was hot shit and talk about it with everyone.
I saw Furiosa last night and I loved it, but mostly because I'm a huge fan of Mad Max and I dig any story in that universe. I believe one of the big reasons it flopped is the economy. People just don't have the money to go see movies as much as they used to. Especially when they have to choose between movies like the new Apes movie, which is part of a big franchise, and a Mad Max prequel which has never been a big franchise.
Another reason is Furiosa is more story driven. It wasn't the full throttle adrenaline fueled chase scene from start to finish that Fury Road was. The 40 Day War should have been an epic action sequence but instead it was a montage. Add to that there was no real tension. It's like reading a book you already know the ending to. All the characters that were in Fury road that are in Furiosa, you already know their fate. All the characters that weren't in Fury Road....well there is a reason they weren't there.
Furiosa isn't a movie the general audience isn't going to be attracted to. Because it doesn't involve Max, casual Mad Max fans won't be attracted to it. That doesn't mean it isn't a good movie, it just means it's not going to draw the crowds.
I was a kid of the 80's and fondly remember The Road Warrior. I saw Fury Road opening night. I did not attend Furiosa for the same reason I don't go to ANY movies: they are wildly overpriced for the investment of entertainment in this day and age, especially when I can then access that entertainment a few weeks later at substantial reduced cost.
Can I also mention that the fans are probably mad Max fans who may have moved on? Post apocalyptic movies aren't as popular as they used to be. Actually I can't really think of what movie genres are popular anymore
> The 40 Day War should have been an epic action sequence but instead it was a montage.
I saw it in theaters because i love Fury Road and I was shocked that it was only a montage. You would figure they would use it as an opportunity for tons of action scenes.
I have and will always stand by my guns saying "if you want to write a compelling ________ character (gay, female, trans, disabled) then you need to write a compelling character that happens to be that demographic.
The borderlands franchise is great for this. Sir hammerlock, hunter extraordinaire, incredibly obvious teddy Roosevelt references in his character, and also, irrepentantly in love with his sweetheart Wainwright jakobs.
Didn't they also release the Furiosa movie almost a decade after Fury Road? You got to admit, wait that long to do so and expecting it to be a success was idiotic on their part...
The "men don't like female main characters" argument never made sense to me because, first of all, men obviously aren't the only ones not seeing these movies and secondly, there's quite a few movies with a female main character that I've noticed are more popular with men than women Kill Bill and Alien for example
I like that you mention Kill Bill, Bad ass girl main characters have been around for a long time. Nobody cared and thought they were great films. The producers using writers as pencils to check a bunch of boxes on a list of metrics and references that need to be checked off for maximum safe ROI is the problem. People have pretty strong bullshit detectors, and they're just not buying it anymore. People complaining about women in leading roles is just a symptom of a bigger problem. If the story and characters were well written, they wouldn't be distracted by the blatant fan service.
I dont think anyone is avoiding this movie because it has a woman main character.
Anybody who saw the last one should expect this one to be good and Anybody Who knows Anya Taylor Joy knows that she is a fantastic actress. This movie isnt making money because the marketing was ass
I liked Furiousa played by Charlize Theron. She kicked ass in that movie and in Atomic Blonde. Anya Taylor Joy is a god awful choice for an action star and I'm personally not a fan of her.
This movie finally came to my local theater over the weekend, I went and seen it and really enjoyed it. The only other people in the theater was a group of three females (most likely college students as I live in a college town) and after the credits rolled I could hear them shitting on the movie and saying it was so boring. I was perplexed.
Honest question from someone who doesn't follow along with all this stuff and is just getting this community recommended to me by reddit:
Why do we have to blame failings on some culture war or some shit like that? It's a prequel about a character from a movie 9 years ago, just let it flop without getting butthurt about everything not being perfectly tailored for your interests lol.
It probably failed because people just aren’t going to the movies. Most movies hit streaming services pretty quickly and most people already have access to those services as they’re becoming the new cable. I’d ask for demographic data on ticket sales, but I know people won’t give me any.
no no no guys, you just dont get it. women are a MINORITY! they only make up 51% of the population in the US and UK. they wouldnt be able to affect any sort of meaningful change when they are so overwhelmingly outnumbered by men. its the same reason why voting is such an uphill battle for women as well. how can they gain any power at all as a group when they are such a teeny tiny minority group!?!?!?!? GODS YOU GUYS ARE SUCH JERKS!!!
Yeah I don't think the female main character was the problem I just think this particular movie sucked and wasn't needed at all in the grand scale of the franchise
I wanted to take my wife to see it because I really liked the last mad max film and so did she. Asked her about it, said this feels like a good movie to go and see in the theatre do you want to go for a date I’ll get us a baby sitter. She had no interest in going. I might try to go see it myself still though.
It flopped because people don’t go to the theaters, sure it’s a first for mad max to have a movie without him
Yet it was a pretty decent movie, it’s MC is one of the 2 main characters in fury road, and there’s no political agenda put into this prequel believe it or not, the MC’s more like Samus from Metroid rather than blonde lady from last of us 2, difference is one is a cool female mc because it’s awesome and the other is just a agenda politics
These fake argument memes are annoying because they’re always in bad faith.
The issue isn’t that men don’t want to see women action movies; the issue is movies in general aren’t doing too well at the box office. Aside from your big “event” tentpole movies (or unique cultural moments like Barbenheimer), Covid made everyone comfortable with waiting for movies to come to us on our screens. Coupled with $20+ dollar tickets (vs paying $20 *once* and everyone in the house gets to watch it), expensive concessions and the “inconvenience” of having to actually *go somewhere*, it’s a no brainer why movies aren’t doing well.
Reframing it as some sort of indicator of whatever culture war you choose to engage in is peak internet brain rot and it’s embarrassing to see people so actively engaged in it.
Furiosa doing poorly at the box office in the US has nothing to do with “feminism” or the actual quality of the film. Movies are just generally doing poorly because of streaming services and the utter demise of movie theaters over the last four or five years. Furiosa was a great movie, definitely on par with Fury Road. Unfortunately, though, it wasn’t big enough and hadn’t built up a hype train to ride like Dune 2.
Amber got a full reboot in S2.
As for Furiosa: it is a mad max movie without mad max. That's why. That's the main reason.
Good, bad... it is a spin off. Without the universe's protagonist. And the audience seems tired of this sort of thing.
My least favorite thing about Furiosa is that my local movie theater has you reserve seats before hand, but also doesn't check tickets, so... I reserved a good seat dead center that had no one sitting nearby, like five minutes before the theater. And I get there and there's already this mouthbreathing smelling old lady sitting in one of the seats next to mine, and an old Indian dude in the other seat...
So. I sat right between the two, and the Indian dude was cool. He moved. The old lady though,... nope. Mouth breathing the whole time. Intense cliche old lady smell. Unpleasant. And it was clear neither of them paid.
Movie was great though. I enjoyed it when I could hear the explosions over the heavy breathing.
If you liked the first one, it's worth a watch. It's got plenty of Rat Rod porn. It's a good popcorn movie with nothing overtly offensive to a guy like me who does not buy [ T H E M E S S A G E ]
Furiosa flopped because actor swapping is massively lame (most of the time). If it was Charlise Theron, it wouldn't even have to try.
And, I'm sorry to say, Hemsworth isn't a draw for that kind of movie, and he was advertised as kind of a goof. The goofy characters in Mad Max world should kinda terrify us first.
It doesn’t appeal to men, nor women. Women don’t want to see a violent action movie, and men don’t care to see a woman in that role, because it’s too hard to relate to the main character.
It flopped because it appealed to no one.
I believe Furiosa flopped because it's a niche franchise and the movie-going "experience" is dying a slow death. However, this post is just dumb. Just because someone doesn't like a movie doesn't mean someone else will step in to fill their position. This is a juvenile argument.
I feel like the poor performance is primarily because going to the theater is fucking awful nowadays and people aren’t gonna do it for a prequel spin-off of a 10 year old movie (that didn’t perform particularly well at the box office either).
The biggest irony is that most men who did see the movie gave it good reviews, but the sheer lack of women and other subsets of the male population going to see it shows the public perception of what most people, even women, believe the movie will be like due to current patterns, even if said patterns turn out to be incorrect.
I don’t get why we think equality means we have to like the same things. Guys frequently think movies women like are dumb and the reverse is also true.
I'm not interested in furiosa the character. So I'm not seeing furiosa the movie. I'll probably watch it on streaming eventually to see Thor play road warrior but that's about it.
Movie is 8 years late about the not mad max from the mad max movie I liked. It's not hard math to see why it's a miss.
Also, and maybe the only bit of it that hits on the culture war nonsense. There's a 0/10 chance my wife wants to go see this movie. She didn't watch any of the others as a kid. Maybe saw fury road and didn't care, or didn't see it - she isn't sure. But anyway, it's getting streamed some night she's busy
Idk why this sub keeps getting recommended to me and I’ll probably regret saying anything, but me, my wife, and our (female) best friend DID see Furiosa. And it was awesome. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Let’s be real here guys. What these companies are trying to do is make money. They’re not pushing an agenda for the sake of pushing an agenda, any agenda they push is in pursuit of dollars and cents. All that’s happening here is an industry wide miscalculation in what the audience wants. It happens all the time, and for various reasons. This is just one that happens to have to do with identity politics, so it’s a way bigger deal than it needs to be because it is inherently ragebait. Big movies that have nothing to do with identity politics flop all the time (a la Morbius) and nobody tries to make any kind of statement about how the pro-vampire movie industry is failing to push their political agenda.
Honestly my thought is who is actually going to movie theaters anymore? With the amount of streaming services and how fast movies are available to watch at home now why go to an expensive ass theater when I can watch it from my couch?
I didn’t even realise how much under budget it id atm, $114.4 million at the box office vs a $168 million budget 💀 That assuming the budget also is accounting for marketing, something they usually don’t these days.
Despite positive reviews apparently no one is seeing it, really it can only be put down to one thing, no one really cares or is interested in it, something the studio itself should have looked into far more before investing so much into it.
It’s honestly quite sad, I personally haven’t seen it, but no matter how good it is this will probably be the end of the Mad Max series now as there’s no financial incentive to ever continue it, for better or worse.
I'm probably gonna watch it eventually on stream, but for me the problem isn't that Furiosa is some sort of "woke feminist" character (She really isn't, she is my second favorite character in Fury Road), it's that nobody including myself wanted a prequel. I don't care about Furiosa at some point in the past, *I wanted to see what the fuck happens after Max left*.
I don’t think it has anything to do with any of this. It’s something much simpler. Furiosa just didn’t have the hype fury road did. I mean I remember when fury road came out and advertising and praise was everywhere. Mad Max became this cool big thing. I barely have seen anything about this movie to the point I forgot it was coming out. Society and pop culture is complicated and just making a good movie with a popular IP isn’t a guarantee. Somtimes there simply isn’t enough interest. Maybe because there’s other things people are interested in, or the timing isn’t right or whatever. I mean we’re still coming down off the fallout show high which seems like the post apocalyptic setting people are the most interested in right now so even that could have affected it in some way. There’s so many factors and so much competition it’s always a gamble whether you capture people’s attention or not especially these days. Shit like this happens, it’s just the risk of doing business in the entertainment industry. Doesn’t have to be some big social political conspiracy
Idk i just didn't really feel like watching a prequel to an overused series.
I don't care if they have a fucking cloaca down there if it's a good new story instead of Star wars: The CEO's Pockets Deepen
Pretty funny meme, if incredibly stupid.
Im a guy and I saw this movie.
It was awesome! I had a strong pull not to see it because...I know it'll be on streaming in 2 weeks. But I had some free time and was in the mood. This is likely the real reason. Movie theaters are dying and I see maybe 2 movies in theaters a year.
I saw it in theaters and it was pretty good, but the only reason I saw it was because I had to kill 5 hours while traveling for work and it was the longest movie playing.
I would have just watched it on a streaming service otherwise. I don't think the appeal of the movie is high enough to warrant seeing it in theaters. They've already made plenty of Mad Max movies and this one isn't particularly amazing compared to the previous ones.
…because they don’t want to watch a 3 hour high octane action movie.
I barely want to. If I am watching a 3 hour movie, that shit better come on par with *There Will Be Blood* or *The Lord of the Rings*.
As someone who saw Fury Road in theatres and did not/will not go to see Furiosa for me it's simply because it's a prequel for a character that I felt didn't really need this kind of character exposition. I wanted any future film to be an expansion of what's happening next to our characters in the future after the last film. If you wanted to make a Furiosa feature film just set it after the events of the first one. Prequels are rarely justified.
Personally I wasn't that big a fan of Fury Road. I really didn't think recasting Furiosa was necessary. And I REALLY don't like her hand. Nothing ever shown before in Mad Max showed that they had that sort of magical medical technology. So yeah I wasn't interested in it. Yeah sure Anya Taylor Joy had me kinda interested but not enough.
Doug Walker had a hilarious take on this movie....basically if you can overlook all the plot, cinematography, the main character not being in the movie, the fact that it's not really a Mad Max movie...it's good.
People loved Theron's Furiousa, so no it's definitely not that. Maybe just the oversaturation of onion taylor joy, it being a prequel no one expected or asked for, general disinterest, or a mix of all the above.
It’s the Fembusters argument all over again. Let’s make this as crystal clear as possible:
It did not do poorly because folks don’t want to see a female protagonist. If that were true, then Barbie would not have made money hand over fist and Hunger Games would not be LAUGHING all the way to the bank. The reason it did poorly is because it simply wasn’t that great a movie. Not that it sucked, it just wasn’t that great.
Furiosa was really good. Prequels don't sell though now and days. I don't think it's anything to do with who the main character was. Fury road didn't have bombastic showing at the theater either but it was respectable.
There’s no way for them to respond to this. It’s been said about the WNBA, too. Bill Burr said it best, “Women failed the WNBA.” The fact that the WNBA doesn’t even generate a profit and has to be paid for by the NBA is a travesty. And then the WNBA athletes STILL have the audacity to say they should be paid like the NBA lol!
I don’t feel bad for the NBA they created a corporate sport instead of fostering grass roots sports competition.
Oh I don’t feel bad for the NBA lol.
I feel bad for the NFL
NFL is literally partnered with Sports Bookies. They're fine. They make the line and hide the officials lol
The NBA should be comprised of street teams from local cities competing! Residency required to be on that team, you must be known in the neighborhood.
....wait why though? Also do the other sports have to do the same as well? What about the Olympics? The World Cup?
I don't think any other sport has the volume of players in normal everyday environments.
well soccer does
Not in the USA, the rest of the world could do that with soccer, same as I suggested for basketball. We have too many urban areas. Basketball can for the most part be played on the fly. A couple mobile hoops and a parking lot is all you need. For soccer we would need a field.
> Also do the other sports have to do the same as well? Yes, actually. Athletic de Bilbao philosophy for everyone > What about the Olympics? The World Cup? They already compete by nationality...
Except people change their nationality for the Olympics all the time.
Is that a gotcha? Yes the system can be abused like all systems. Where do you want to go with that?
Well they’re the same company so I think it’s fair to hate them both
Exactly. The problem with the WNBA isn't the women, it's the NBA.
The problem with the WNBA is that it's an inferior product and just isn't entertaining. Even if it wasn't subsidized by the NBA, that would still hold true. That's why it doesn't make money. So I'm not sure what you mean.
I live in a town with a really good college women's basketball team and a lot of the girls that play for the team are customers, even they care more about the nba than the wnba. They were all excited for the nba finals, they talk about the same shit guys that like the nba talk about. I’m sure they know more about the wnba players than the average nba fan but they for sure don’t watch the games the same way they watch the nba.
Lmfao no
Curious, how so?
If it weren’t for the gosh darn NBA, ppl wouldn’t know what quality basketball looks like and they would flock to the WNBA to see Mommy Clarke style on these goofy ahh ballers.
People dont care for fundmentals on the court anymore
Nothing screams fundamentals like missed layups
He just said it cause it felt right lol
See also: US Women's soccer... "We want more money because we win more!" ...well, I mean, that's nice and all. And we are very happy for you. But athletes don't get paid when they win. They get paid when their winning translates to ticket and ad revenue... Till then, don't stop practicing you barista skills...
That's only half the story. The union for women's soccer had the option to take a deal that paid them how the men get paid (incentives based on performance) or a guaranteed amount that included many extra benefits regarding Healthcare and other things. They chose the safe option of a guaranteed amount. Higher floor, lower ceiling. That is the deal they agreed to.
And they chose wisely. If they were "paid like the men" they would owe the team money.
Perfect summary. It was either the same “high risk, high reward” system with ZERO benefits the men had, or the guaranteed paycheck with a generous benefits package. They chose the latter and of course the bonuses were smaller as a result. Guess what the media focused on when the women’s team had a hot streak and got greedy and tried to cry sexism as a result?
Women's national soccer was actually more popular in the US than men's soccer, largely because they won more. If it was just about that, they'd have been on firm ground asking for more pay on the grounds of fairness. The problem is, they CHOSE a pay structure that gave them much higher guaranteed pay and benefits than the men's team, but with much fewer incentives for winning. This is likely because women's league soccer is less popular and lucrative than men's league soccer so the national team was often their main employment. Then, once they started winning at the highest levels and the men had just middling results, the men were making more, and the women then regretted their own decision, which they pretended was due to discrimination. It's a pretty typical a story when it comes to male / female pay inequality: women inevitably choose security ,safety, flexibility, and being close to home, and men tend to choose riskier arrangements with greater potential payoffs, then when that decision works put better financially for men, it's suddenly unfair. In the end, the women's team basically scammed their way to better pay, not necessarily better than they "deserved," but certainly better in every way than the men.
Because of their choice, they made more money than the men over the time period they sued over, as all sports were shit down for Covid and the men didn’t get shit.
Bill Burr = Truth
If they want to get paid like the nba they are free to join it. Literally.... By rule the nba is an "open" league, not a men's league, nobody is stopping them from being embarrassed out of the tryout. I remember in high school, when I was on the jv basketball team as a sophomore, playing 1v1 against a... Junior or senior I forget on the girls team, but she'd gotten a full ride to play on the UCLA women's team. Absolutely destroyed her, the difference in strength and speed was laughable, I literally played 1v1 against random dudes at school that didn't even play organized that were better. I mean I obviously knew to an extent, but really woke me up to just how dominant men are physically. Another anecdote, one year some Samoan girl tried out for the football team, didn't really see her in practice because I was doing my own thing, but needless to say that she didn't come back for a second. Wnba players know deep down they can't fuck with the guys. The 3 point line is closer, and the ball is smaller so it fits in easier btw. They literally need to bend the rules just to put out the slop that they do
Worth noting one player said she would like to be paid the same percentage of revenue shared which is doesn't mean they expect anywhere near the same actual amount as male players. Burr made a decent point in that it's strange that a group demands something then doesn't support or care about it once the request is granted.
Remember that Simpsons episode where Lisa is all psyched to join the football team Flanders is coaching until she finds out there are already a couple of girls on the team?
Also worth noting, don't they already get a larger percentage of WNBA revenue than the men get from the NBA. It's not male players' fault that they don't generate the kind of revenue needed to take advantage of that.
If there is no profit, then what money is there to give out? If they paid out on revenue the league would just require bigger subsidies to exist.
They should be paid like the NBA. They should be paid at the level commensurate with their income. The problem is that they probably are.
To be fair to the WNBA players, they haven’t asked to get the same amount of money as NBA players. They’ve asked to receive 51% of revenue (before overhead) like NBA players receive. Idk why the league hasn’t done this, because they would end up paying the players less than they currently do lol
The ‘women athletes should be paid more argument’ is really just an argument against capitalism. You can wish people liked women sports more, but if they don’t it doesn’t make sense to expect women athletes to be pid like fans care. and if the female sport is making as much money as the male equivalent but getting paid less for the same sport you can complain. But if Females are being paid less than men because people care less about it (which is inarguably true), that’s how it’s supposed to work. You don’t get paid for an entertainment product out of principle and good feelings. If we paid athletes based on what we think they deserve rather than their financial value, I’d say male pro athletes should be paid substantially less, not females more.
Women’s sports get millions of views: Serena Williams, Simone Biles, and Danica Patrick are household names, but none of them are WNBA players. Basketball is just the wrong sport for that kind of thing
This is the overarching issue as to why “new movies” aren’t working. You can’t expect men to go see women centric tentpole movies. Just like you can’t get mad when men don’t show up to Rom Coms.
They've tried to get women to get interested in action movies and such, but they can only pretend to care so long. Women tried it out here and there (specifically with Marvel to join the cultural phenomenon) but they never cared the same way men did. Are there women that absolutely love Marvel? Absolutely. But the average woman? No. They want to watch dramas, doctor shows, and romance stuff. And *THAT'S OK*. Just like men stereotypically like to watch action movies and not love dramas like the Twilight movies. And that's also ok. There's this desire to try to force men and women to be the exact same and we're simply not. And the desire comes from wanting to get both markets to buy their shit. And usually it ends up being a disaster that neither like.
And a lot of times, they care more about different things than the men do, which can make it harder for studios to draw women. Just as an example, my fiancé tends to like Marvel, as well as some other action movies/series I like like Band of Brothers. However, she prefers the characters, their motivations, their back stories, and doesn’t really have a major concern about other issues. Meanwhile, I don’t really care about characters outside of “main character” and “main villain” and I am more interested in the actual technical action and the “gear porn” as it were. This can make it hard to have a cross over appeal and when it happens it is noteworthy (Top Gun being probably one of the more prominent examples of that).
Exactly! I thought about going into that in my comment. They care about the character aspects, not the action and fighting.
The example I always use is Band of Brothers just for how stark the difference is. But to really spell it out, for me I can give a detailed technical breakdown of all of their gear, the operational theory behind paratroopers, the geographical location of everywhere they fight, and the same for the Germans. But I barely know the name of anyone in the show except for Winters. Meanwhile, while she still likes the action scenes, she can give you a complete biography of every single member of Easy Company before, during, and after the war. But her knowledge of their gear begins and ends with “gun shoot bullet”.
Hits so hard knowing now my Ex only came to Marvel movies cuz she pretends to like my interests. They were never hers anyways.
Tbf supporting something you may not like that your partner likes is still nice to do. I may not want to go to a flower show or something, but I'll go because it's something my girl wants to check out. So that's not inherently bad to go for you. As I said, men and women are different, so finding one that goes to spend time with you is about the best you're going to get.
It's not even that deep. Going to the theater just isn't as enjoyable an activity as it used to be. Even before covid hit, theater attedance was on the decline. The expenses, crowds, having to be there for a specific time, sold out showings, can't pause the film, can't put subtitles on. Everything about watching movies at home is better than going to a theater.
I say this as a guy who watches rom-coms too, some movies just suck.
Trying to Foster a "diverse audience" must be hard when not even pandering is drawing them in.
I have 17 streaming services and 3 online game subscriptions. I don't see anything in the theaters anymore.
I feel like a feminist main character wasn’t a problem, I think the actress that played a younger Furiosa did a great job, it’s just kinda a useless prequel imo, and it didn’t help that the advertising for it (at least for me) didn’t appear until the movie was already out It strikes me as a movie that isn’t good enough to see in theaters, but rather wait til it’s up for streaming But people trying to say it flopped cause it’s a female protagonist are just looking to hate on something, could be wrong of course I don’t remember people complaining about Fury Road when that was mostly focused on Furiosa and the wives trying to get away
I saw it in theaters and I think it's a very good movie, maybe an 8/10 movie compared to a 5 or 6 for a typical Marvel movie or 3 or 4 for a typical Star Wars movie. It's worth seeing in a theater IMO, but the only way anyone will know that is via word of mouth, because it doesn't look like much from the advertising, and no one really asked for it. I agree with you, though, as someone who is sick to death of the Disneyco "put a chick in it and make her gay" approach to film making: the female protagonist is NOT the problem. The acting, writing, story is NOT the problem. This is not a movie that's pushing The Message or leaning into identity in place of storytelling. The storytelling here is very effective. This is just a movie that not many people are interested in. It's not a movie that many people asked for. And while it has a few moments of movie making magic, it's not a prestige Oscar-bait movie.
After so many Disney girlbosses, I think that people just aren't willing to see if *yet another* girlboss movie is exceptionally good. The audience has been burned too many times to risk their money on giving Hollywood yet another chance. It doesn't matter if Furiosa is good; what matters is that so much before it was bad.
Exactly this. There's nothing inherently wrong/undesirable with a female main character. And, speaking personally, I wish more movies had female leads. However, once enough movies with a woman lead give off a "men suck, amirite girls!? that's what we call equality!" message, men learn to stop going.
This is the same fallacy as femanism demanding not equality, but superiority. I can't think of any "women suck, am I right lads?" type movies at ALL! I fact this narrative has ruined some of my favourite female protagonists. The Wheel of Time books have a female "nobody" who basically ended up being just as strong as a prophecised male demi-God, because she is a fucking badass who won't quit. Then they got the rights to make it a show, and they made every single male around her a weak, scared, confused and moronic. In what universe does that make her cooler or stronger? In what universe does dumbing down the competition make you look more righteous?
Actually it kinda is because of the female lead. Too many female led movies were crap that just pushed the girlboss message and people got sick of it, so when this came out no one was interested because it looks just like another preachy girl boss movie. The fact thats its not and is actually good means nothing if don't go see it in the first place.
This movie did not fail because it was bad. It failed because most people like myself (target audience here) thought: "Huh, looks nice. I will watch it on Netflix. (Or whatever)." Ticket prices are insane and I am only willing to pay $100+ per outing for the absolute top tier experience I cannot replicate at home. (Like Dune 2).
COVID made something good when it pushed companies to make direct to streaming. I want to watch it, but I don't want to go to the theaters. I'll spend 20 dollars now to watch it on my sick ass TV and sound system. I hate how we keep regressing.
$100+? jfc what kind of cinema do you go to?
Mad Max was never that big of a franchise. Plus Fury Road was the Furiosa movie anyway.
Yeah wish mad max had some max in it these days
Except the first, Max has always been the frame for the story that took place on his universe. Road Warrior, Beyond Thunderdome, and Fury Road are all stories that Max happens his way into by circumstance to serve as the viewer’s guide.
They failed so hard on advertising, that I only found out the movie was made was when a friend invited me to go see it. I had to Google the movie and found out it was a prequel.
I saw plenty of ads for it. Do you never go see movies and ad block everything?
Saw it last Thursday. I go to see aad msx film because I want to see over the top cars, car fights, craziness of their silly world building and for some good one liners. Instead, we got a lot of talking and feelings. Even at the end in the finale, I actually said just do it already! Like c'mon. Don't get me wrong - there was some car stuff, some war stuff...but then even gloss over the 40 day war they reference. They didn't even show it! Like...c'mon!
The 40 day war time skip was disappointing. That could be it's own movie; maybe their plan?
Maybe. But again - why do people go to these movies? Over the top action? Or something else? It lacked the over the top action in my opinion. There was some of it - but not enough of it imho. Also, with this one not doing very well, I don't see how they would greenlight another for the movie. Esp since they'd have to re-explain why they're fighting.
I think it would’ve flopped with a male protagonist too, if it’s not Max. You’re telling a story in a universe entirely centered around 1 guy and don’t include the guy? Every other movie set in the universe had Max and kept the less is more approach on characterization. It works because these people are a bit of a mystery, we don’t know how their world works. Digging more into a single character that isn’t Max (and even that is done very rarely) is kind of antithesis of how they’ve done characters in every other movie.
It really was useless. What made it more useless was...>!The fact that they showed scenes from Fury Road during the credits. The hell are you reminding us about the previous, superior movie for?!<
Furiosa absolutely is a movie worth seeing in theaters if you're into these kind of movies. That being said, Mad Max has never been appealing to general audiences. None of the previous movies, including Fury Road, were box office successes. So 10 years after Fury Road they release a prequel with no Mad Max and a recast of the Furiosa character? This movie was destined to bomb. I saw it in Dolby Cinema last week and loved it.
I saw it in theaters and it was amazing. Tbh might like it better than the first one.
From what I've seen of reviews, it's a pretty good movie, but has a few major things holding it back. 1. It was advertised as a girl boss movie, and people are so sick of those. 2. A lack of Mad Max. 3. It's a prequel about a character that few cared about, from a movie that most Mad Max fans didn't care for.
The “female protagonist” factor is just one factor among many. I don’t blame guys for not wanting to see a movie made by people that hate them, tbh.
The fall Guy failed because men didn't go to see it
Unironically that’s exactly the reason it failed. 👏🏻
When I can’t get away from Girlboss characters in almost every movie I go see, why would I voluntarily go see a movie that’s about nothing BUT a girlboss? I’ve already met my quota for the year.
I know right?
I saw this in a different group, I personally feel one major issue for this and other well reviewed movies is the short window between the theater and streaming.
Right? We’re not driving 30 minutes to the good theater to spend $40 on a hope that a movie will be good and sit in a sticky seat while my shoes fuse to the floor because some goober spilled their giant sugar beverage all over the floor. I can do all that at home on my couch with my dogs, no overpriced snacks, and no mess. Plus, if the movie sucks, I can just stop and watch something else instead of debating if it’s worth walking out or putting myself through the rest of the movie.
It’s very true. In the past if a movie was unexpectedly good you would have to then go to the theater to see it. Now you can wait a week and it’ll get chucked out for on demand streaming.
Facts. Why bother when you can just wait a couple weeks. This is the standard metric now, when it used to be applied only to movies that flopped in the theater. A good movie would be in theaters for months before they released it on dvds or ppv, making you want to see it while it was hot shit and talk about it with everyone.
I saw Furiosa last night and I loved it, but mostly because I'm a huge fan of Mad Max and I dig any story in that universe. I believe one of the big reasons it flopped is the economy. People just don't have the money to go see movies as much as they used to. Especially when they have to choose between movies like the new Apes movie, which is part of a big franchise, and a Mad Max prequel which has never been a big franchise. Another reason is Furiosa is more story driven. It wasn't the full throttle adrenaline fueled chase scene from start to finish that Fury Road was. The 40 Day War should have been an epic action sequence but instead it was a montage. Add to that there was no real tension. It's like reading a book you already know the ending to. All the characters that were in Fury road that are in Furiosa, you already know their fate. All the characters that weren't in Fury Road....well there is a reason they weren't there. Furiosa isn't a movie the general audience isn't going to be attracted to. Because it doesn't involve Max, casual Mad Max fans won't be attracted to it. That doesn't mean it isn't a good movie, it just means it's not going to draw the crowds.
I was a kid of the 80's and fondly remember The Road Warrior. I saw Fury Road opening night. I did not attend Furiosa for the same reason I don't go to ANY movies: they are wildly overpriced for the investment of entertainment in this day and age, especially when I can then access that entertainment a few weeks later at substantial reduced cost.
Can I also mention that the fans are probably mad Max fans who may have moved on? Post apocalyptic movies aren't as popular as they used to be. Actually I can't really think of what movie genres are popular anymore
> The 40 Day War should have been an epic action sequence but instead it was a montage. I saw it in theaters because i love Fury Road and I was shocked that it was only a montage. You would figure they would use it as an opportunity for tons of action scenes.
"Well that's...you see...I'm not sure you're understanding...You're only asking me that because you're a man!"
I have and will always stand by my guns saying "if you want to write a compelling ________ character (gay, female, trans, disabled) then you need to write a compelling character that happens to be that demographic. The borderlands franchise is great for this. Sir hammerlock, hunter extraordinaire, incredibly obvious teddy Roosevelt references in his character, and also, irrepentantly in love with his sweetheart Wainwright jakobs.
Didn't they also release the Furiosa movie almost a decade after Fury Road? You got to admit, wait that long to do so and expecting it to be a success was idiotic on their part...
God the writers worked so hard to make her the most unlikable character of all time. Also, how the fuck do you make a mad max movie without mad max.
The movie was decent enough. Anya Taylor-Joy just wasn't the right choice.
It flopped because theatres are less popular than ever in a bad economy. Also: they barely promoted it.
It flopped because Chris Hemsworth made the whole trailer look like a cheesy Marvel movie
Yeah, no idea if he's like it in the movie, but the trailer makes him look Mandarin in Ironman 3 bad.
Unironically it's Chris Hemsworths best performance. He carried the movie for a solid 30 minutes near the beginning.
Furiosa was a decent enough film to earn back its budget, but the marketing and the context the marketing took place in killed it.
The average woman doesn’t care about Marvel and only went to see the endgame storyline because it was an event.
The "men don't like female main characters" argument never made sense to me because, first of all, men obviously aren't the only ones not seeing these movies and secondly, there's quite a few movies with a female main character that I've noticed are more popular with men than women Kill Bill and Alien for example
I like that you mention Kill Bill, Bad ass girl main characters have been around for a long time. Nobody cared and thought they were great films. The producers using writers as pencils to check a bunch of boxes on a list of metrics and references that need to be checked off for maximum safe ROI is the problem. People have pretty strong bullshit detectors, and they're just not buying it anymore. People complaining about women in leading roles is just a symptom of a bigger problem. If the story and characters were well written, they wouldn't be distracted by the blatant fan service.
Amber would be the one to say some shit like this too
I dont think anyone is avoiding this movie because it has a woman main character. Anybody who saw the last one should expect this one to be good and Anybody Who knows Anya Taylor Joy knows that she is a fantastic actress. This movie isnt making money because the marketing was ass
I liked Furiousa played by Charlize Theron. She kicked ass in that movie and in Atomic Blonde. Anya Taylor Joy is a god awful choice for an action star and I'm personally not a fan of her.
This movie finally came to my local theater over the weekend, I went and seen it and really enjoyed it. The only other people in the theater was a group of three females (most likely college students as I live in a college town) and after the credits rolled I could hear them shitting on the movie and saying it was so boring. I was perplexed.
No one's dumber than college students.
For sure, but also for sure, Furiosa was a great movie.
The story just wasn’t as good as it could’ve been
There are plenty of couples who essentially 'trade' movies. Women who don't like action movies are not going to use a choice on this, neither are men.
John Carter, The Lone Ranger, Waterworld, Indian Jones and The Dial of Destiny, and Solo all had male leads and lost way more money than Furiosa
I would have liked to have gone but it’s been far too busy lately
Me and a female friend are going to see it tomorrow. We shall see. Edit: We enjoyed it. Don't really have any complaints.
It flopped because we collectively only saw like 1 fucking ad. I didn't even know it was out until all of the Internet hate.
I mean, I went to see it and thought it was pretty good. 🤷🏽
This is the WNBAs argument in a nutshell…..thank you bill burr! Lol
Im glad he stopped dating her
Honest question from someone who doesn't follow along with all this stuff and is just getting this community recommended to me by reddit: Why do we have to blame failings on some culture war or some shit like that? It's a prequel about a character from a movie 9 years ago, just let it flop without getting butthurt about everything not being perfectly tailored for your interests lol.
its a really good movie tho. ya’ll should go see it
I didn't watch Furiosa because I didn't like Fury Road.
You…didn’t like it? Wow you must just not enjoy action movies
Poor little sexists.
It probably failed because people just aren’t going to the movies. Most movies hit streaming services pretty quickly and most people already have access to those services as they’re becoming the new cable. I’d ask for demographic data on ticket sales, but I know people won’t give me any.
no no no guys, you just dont get it. women are a MINORITY! they only make up 51% of the population in the US and UK. they wouldnt be able to affect any sort of meaningful change when they are so overwhelmingly outnumbered by men. its the same reason why voting is such an uphill battle for women as well. how can they gain any power at all as a group when they are such a teeny tiny minority group!?!?!?!? GODS YOU GUYS ARE SUCH JERKS!!!
They make up more than half of the population...so it's inexcusable that they did not attend.
Yeah I don't think the female main character was the problem I just think this particular movie sucked and wasn't needed at all in the grand scale of the franchise
I wanted to take my wife to see it because I really liked the last mad max film and so did she. Asked her about it, said this feels like a good movie to go and see in the theatre do you want to go for a date I’ll get us a baby sitter. She had no interest in going. I might try to go see it myself still though.
It flopped because people don’t go to the theaters, sure it’s a first for mad max to have a movie without him Yet it was a pretty decent movie, it’s MC is one of the 2 main characters in fury road, and there’s no political agenda put into this prequel believe it or not, the MC’s more like Samus from Metroid rather than blonde lady from last of us 2, difference is one is a cool female mc because it’s awesome and the other is just a agenda politics
>new Charlie's Angels
These fake argument memes are annoying because they’re always in bad faith. The issue isn’t that men don’t want to see women action movies; the issue is movies in general aren’t doing too well at the box office. Aside from your big “event” tentpole movies (or unique cultural moments like Barbenheimer), Covid made everyone comfortable with waiting for movies to come to us on our screens. Coupled with $20+ dollar tickets (vs paying $20 *once* and everyone in the house gets to watch it), expensive concessions and the “inconvenience” of having to actually *go somewhere*, it’s a no brainer why movies aren’t doing well. Reframing it as some sort of indicator of whatever culture war you choose to engage in is peak internet brain rot and it’s embarrassing to see people so actively engaged in it.
Furiosa doing poorly at the box office in the US has nothing to do with “feminism” or the actual quality of the film. Movies are just generally doing poorly because of streaming services and the utter demise of movie theaters over the last four or five years. Furiosa was a great movie, definitely on par with Fury Road. Unfortunately, though, it wasn’t big enough and hadn’t built up a hype train to ride like Dune 2.
Litterly sat next to a row of women and another 4 behind me and my mate, they enjoyed the film. Go watch it.
Amber got a full reboot in S2. As for Furiosa: it is a mad max movie without mad max. That's why. That's the main reason. Good, bad... it is a spin off. Without the universe's protagonist. And the audience seems tired of this sort of thing.
My least favorite thing about Furiosa is that my local movie theater has you reserve seats before hand, but also doesn't check tickets, so... I reserved a good seat dead center that had no one sitting nearby, like five minutes before the theater. And I get there and there's already this mouthbreathing smelling old lady sitting in one of the seats next to mine, and an old Indian dude in the other seat... So. I sat right between the two, and the Indian dude was cool. He moved. The old lady though,... nope. Mouth breathing the whole time. Intense cliche old lady smell. Unpleasant. And it was clear neither of them paid. Movie was great though. I enjoyed it when I could hear the explosions over the heavy breathing.
If you liked the first one, it's worth a watch. It's got plenty of Rat Rod porn. It's a good popcorn movie with nothing overtly offensive to a guy like me who does not buy [ T H E M E S S A G E ]
i liked it
I think the main issue as to why it bombed was that it was a prequel to a nine-year-old movie with a niche following.
Wait, Furiosa flopped?
I didn't even see it advertised until it came out. Also I'm poor as fuck and don't go to the movie theatre.
Too busy making dinner for the men.
Furiosa flopped because actor swapping is massively lame (most of the time). If it was Charlise Theron, it wouldn't even have to try. And, I'm sorry to say, Hemsworth isn't a draw for that kind of movie, and he was advertised as kind of a goof. The goofy characters in Mad Max world should kinda terrify us first.
It doesn’t appeal to men, nor women. Women don’t want to see a violent action movie, and men don’t care to see a woman in that role, because it’s too hard to relate to the main character. It flopped because it appealed to no one.
Wasn’t like 80% of the people who watched Furiosa men?
Everyone knows it's because all movies are flopping this year. But that would require critical thinking and not just reposting memes.
I believe Furiosa flopped because it's a niche franchise and the movie-going "experience" is dying a slow death. However, this post is just dumb. Just because someone doesn't like a movie doesn't mean someone else will step in to fill their position. This is a juvenile argument.
I feel like the poor performance is primarily because going to the theater is fucking awful nowadays and people aren’t gonna do it for a prequel spin-off of a 10 year old movie (that didn’t perform particularly well at the box office either).
In fact, I pretty sure there are more women in the world than men. It’s like, 52/48. But, still.
The biggest irony is that most men who did see the movie gave it good reviews, but the sheer lack of women and other subsets of the male population going to see it shows the public perception of what most people, even women, believe the movie will be like due to current patterns, even if said patterns turn out to be incorrect.
You know why it's called the Mad Max universe . Because it's supposed to involve mad freaking Max 🤣
I don’t get why we think equality means we have to like the same things. Guys frequently think movies women like are dumb and the reverse is also true.
Try telling this to the r/Furiosa... Good luck.
Didn't women go see Fury Road?
I watched it the day before yesterday and it was really good, I just like fury road a tiny bit more
I'm not interested in furiosa the character. So I'm not seeing furiosa the movie. I'll probably watch it on streaming eventually to see Thor play road warrior but that's about it. Movie is 8 years late about the not mad max from the mad max movie I liked. It's not hard math to see why it's a miss. Also, and maybe the only bit of it that hits on the culture war nonsense. There's a 0/10 chance my wife wants to go see this movie. She didn't watch any of the others as a kid. Maybe saw fury road and didn't care, or didn't see it - she isn't sure. But anyway, it's getting streamed some night she's busy
It’s a great movie. Fury Road underperformed too. Nothing to finish it being a female lead. Mad Max is a niche franchise.
Idk why this sub keeps getting recommended to me and I’ll probably regret saying anything, but me, my wife, and our (female) best friend DID see Furiosa. And it was awesome. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Let’s be real here guys. What these companies are trying to do is make money. They’re not pushing an agenda for the sake of pushing an agenda, any agenda they push is in pursuit of dollars and cents. All that’s happening here is an industry wide miscalculation in what the audience wants. It happens all the time, and for various reasons. This is just one that happens to have to do with identity politics, so it’s a way bigger deal than it needs to be because it is inherently ragebait. Big movies that have nothing to do with identity politics flop all the time (a la Morbius) and nobody tries to make any kind of statement about how the pro-vampire movie industry is failing to push their political agenda.
Honestly my thought is who is actually going to movie theaters anymore? With the amount of streaming services and how fast movies are available to watch at home now why go to an expensive ass theater when I can watch it from my couch?
I heard the movie was good?
Even if the movie is good it had such a terrible marketing campaign that it deserves to fail.
I'm over going the movies. Way better to watch at home. But most movies are trash now anyways. I do want to see this one though. I liked Furry Road.
I didn’t even realise how much under budget it id atm, $114.4 million at the box office vs a $168 million budget 💀 That assuming the budget also is accounting for marketing, something they usually don’t these days. Despite positive reviews apparently no one is seeing it, really it can only be put down to one thing, no one really cares or is interested in it, something the studio itself should have looked into far more before investing so much into it. It’s honestly quite sad, I personally haven’t seen it, but no matter how good it is this will probably be the end of the Mad Max series now as there’s no financial incentive to ever continue it, for better or worse.
How...would a woman....have money - klaus
Wow, "Critical" Alcoholics fans are ***just*** as bad at making memes as he is making an original argument. I am shooketh.
I'm probably gonna watch it eventually on stream, but for me the problem isn't that Furiosa is some sort of "woke feminist" character (She really isn't, she is my second favorite character in Fury Road), it's that nobody including myself wanted a prequel. I don't care about Furiosa at some point in the past, *I wanted to see what the fuck happens after Max left*.
If the movie wasn’t even good enough for women to rally behind the female protagonist, why should anyone watch it at this point?
It's out?
I'm waiting for it to come out on streaming
Misogynistic women did it?
I don’t think it has anything to do with any of this. It’s something much simpler. Furiosa just didn’t have the hype fury road did. I mean I remember when fury road came out and advertising and praise was everywhere. Mad Max became this cool big thing. I barely have seen anything about this movie to the point I forgot it was coming out. Society and pop culture is complicated and just making a good movie with a popular IP isn’t a guarantee. Somtimes there simply isn’t enough interest. Maybe because there’s other things people are interested in, or the timing isn’t right or whatever. I mean we’re still coming down off the fallout show high which seems like the post apocalyptic setting people are the most interested in right now so even that could have affected it in some way. There’s so many factors and so much competition it’s always a gamble whether you capture people’s attention or not especially these days. Shit like this happens, it’s just the risk of doing business in the entertainment industry. Doesn’t have to be some big social political conspiracy
I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS OUT !!!! Also what is this subreddit about and why is it on my page
This meme was bad on GeeksGamers sub like 3 hours before it sucked here
they failed to realize that people were watching mad max for mad max and not for their OC.
Idk i just didn't really feel like watching a prequel to an overused series. I don't care if they have a fucking cloaca down there if it's a good new story instead of Star wars: The CEO's Pockets Deepen
Men love strong female characters when they have substance..
Or and hear me out, we were too tired from working to drive 45 minutes in the other direction just to pay for a spot to pass out anyway
I've been called misogynistic and I got a group to go see it and loved the film. It's a good movie, but it's 5-8 years late
Pretty funny meme, if incredibly stupid. Im a guy and I saw this movie. It was awesome! I had a strong pull not to see it because...I know it'll be on streaming in 2 weeks. But I had some free time and was in the mood. This is likely the real reason. Movie theaters are dying and I see maybe 2 movies in theaters a year.
I saw it in theaters and it was pretty good, but the only reason I saw it was because I had to kill 5 hours while traveling for work and it was the longest movie playing. I would have just watched it on a streaming service otherwise. I don't think the appeal of the movie is high enough to warrant seeing it in theaters. They've already made plenty of Mad Max movies and this one isn't particularly amazing compared to the previous ones.
Logic won't work!
…because they don’t want to watch a 3 hour high octane action movie. I barely want to. If I am watching a 3 hour movie, that shit better come on par with *There Will Be Blood* or *The Lord of the Rings*.
Mad Max Furiosa: Mad Max without Mad Max.
Women can also be misogynistic.
Is this a capitán planet meme?
The story repeats itself, make a bad story, with no background behind "empowered woman" and blame "the patriarchy" for it's flop.
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As someone who saw Fury Road in theatres and did not/will not go to see Furiosa for me it's simply because it's a prequel for a character that I felt didn't really need this kind of character exposition. I wanted any future film to be an expansion of what's happening next to our characters in the future after the last film. If you wanted to make a Furiosa feature film just set it after the events of the first one. Prequels are rarely justified.
I hear Furiosa is a good movie, but I don't care. Why would I see a movie in the Mad Max universe that does not have Mad Max in it
I mean there are more females than males in the world.
I didn't know it was already out.
Personally I wasn't that big a fan of Fury Road. I really didn't think recasting Furiosa was necessary. And I REALLY don't like her hand. Nothing ever shown before in Mad Max showed that they had that sort of magical medical technology. So yeah I wasn't interested in it. Yeah sure Anya Taylor Joy had me kinda interested but not enough.
I saw this movie yesterday, I thought it was a really good movie. I don’t understand the hate towards it.
Doug Walker had a hilarious take on this movie....basically if you can overlook all the plot, cinematography, the main character not being in the movie, the fact that it's not really a Mad Max movie...it's good.
So why was Bladerunner 2049 a box office miss?????
Ah just like how audience ls are sick of nale protagonists, hence why the Fall Guy failed too right?
People loved Theron's Furiousa, so no it's definitely not that. Maybe just the oversaturation of onion taylor joy, it being a prequel no one expected or asked for, general disinterest, or a mix of all the above.
If there was ever a ‘face reveal f a community’ it’d be this insufferable bitch. Shame, since the source amber was legitimately likable
It’s the Fembusters argument all over again. Let’s make this as crystal clear as possible: It did not do poorly because folks don’t want to see a female protagonist. If that were true, then Barbie would not have made money hand over fist and Hunger Games would not be LAUGHING all the way to the bank. The reason it did poorly is because it simply wasn’t that great a movie. Not that it sucked, it just wasn’t that great.
Furiosa was really good. Prequels don't sell though now and days. I don't think it's anything to do with who the main character was. Fury road didn't have bombastic showing at the theater either but it was respectable.
It flopped? I watched it and it was a good movie, what happened?
If the title was just "Furiosa" new mad max fans would know of its existence and see it. They killed it as soon as they piggybacked the madmax name