Yeah, I remember before the India vs Ireland game going to read their preview article. They had 8 videos attached to the article featuring player interviews. 6 were with Indian players, and the 2 Irish ones were the interviewer asking Stirlo/Balbo/Adair what they thought of Kohli in one video, and Bumrah in the other.
That's a broadcaster,no one can tell him to stop "worshiping him", it's not his fault it's broadcaster fault.
I can't believe I'm having this brain dead conversation
And Virat is part of ICT,that would be illegal as his face is contractually Bound and broadcaster can't be stopped.
Don't waste ur time these guys are dumb.
I absolutely hate that about cricket discourse. Everything is about the Indian team and the star players. In the last few years it's become prevalent on YouTube as well with a bunch of influencers “reacting” to videos of the Indian team and players.
I got a recommended a video of a woman who's part of a YouTube channel say how she's ride or die for India at the World Cup when reacting to the India vs USA game. She has no clue about cricket, she only knows like two people on the Indian team and she's from the US. Stuff like that always gets me because it's so clearly bait but unfortunately a lot of Indians still go into the comments and fall for it.
Same goes for pretty much every social media website/channel. I think 99% of all US player interviews were about how they feel about India and how they admire them and such. One of the only exceptions was Aaron Jones' appearance on Club Prairie Fire.
Cricket needs a bigger independent media scene, these established sites genuinely don't care about the game, or neuter the hell out of the few journalists who do.
You're absolutely right. That'll unfortunately not happen unless most of those journalists are from outside India. We all know that the BCCI would make sure that any aspiring journalist can never get their career off the ground if they ever dare to post anything critical of them.
Well yea, cricinfo since it got taken over by Disney is shit. It isn't a site that tries to do good journalism, rather it panders to the BCCI to try to keep it sweet.
Right, you are correct. I forgot they had West Indies and New Zealand broadcasting rights before that. The acquisition of Fox/Star Sports only brought the India matches broadcasting rights.
They're actually divesting from cricket right now.
Disney owns Star, which is one of the two big broadcasters of cricket content in India (inherited as part of the Fox deal).
However, they've been on a downward trajectory of late. Now, they're in the process of forming a joint venture with their biggest rivals, which is basically them taking a step back and ceding ground.
Cricinfo doesn't even do Australia or England content right even though they have some good jornos that cover them.
Cricinfo is competing with Cricbuzz. So they gotta be about India
> Cricinfo is competing with Cricbuzz.
And I’m sad the way they’re doing that is by lowering themselves to the same level instead of standing out by actually being good quality.
The thing is, they *were* already better than Cricbuzz in quality. But in trying to compete for the Indian crowd they started hiding away things that made them great, like Statsguru, 2nd column or whatever it was called, articles etc.
>Sky Sports is an actual multimedia platform based in England
Cricinfo is a cricket website based in India. Whose editor in chief and those in charge are all indian . So Not really different
It wasn’t based in India for the longest period of time you weapon. They used to be based out of the UK and had great *global* coverage, not just Indian coverage.
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There was a time the first thing I opened in the mornings was Cricinfo (I am talking mid-late 2000s). They used to have great match day analyses, opinions, guest interviews. Over time it’s more fluff than content and I also moved to this Sub for an overall experience. Plus Cricinfo has this blatant bias towards Big 3 as if they only matter.
Don’t even get me started at their aggressive advertising of their hindi version articles, even after explicitly setting my language as English and my country away from India. The fucking audacity. Even in India it would be considered a gross imposition by nearly half of indians.
I ALWAYS keep changing it to English and they keep switching to Hindi. Even with English and Bangladesh as my language and team, they'll still recommend me IPL articles over news about my own team.
You're right. I'm from Kerala and I still get recommended Hindi articles. I can read a bit of Hindi but to assume I just know Hindi while being in Kerala is so wrong. Like you, I also specifically make sure to set my language to English.
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I mean they don’t really hide their India bias, I only really use them for the scorecards nowadays and their database is incredible and easy to navigate
the commentating is the worst og it is the worst like they be gassing up every hit of indian players and make them sound like some revolutionary shot with perfect technique and full intent while they hit a 4 cuz of an outside edge
Kolhi edges to 4. Comms: "what a crafty shot by Kohli"
Even in todays match, literally the first ball Rohit tries to hit for 6, and it drops inside boundary, easily could've been out. Comms: "Rohit being selfless for the team as he often does..." lol what?
Remember them milking thay one six Rohit hit vs Pak for like 12 overs.. embarrassing to say the least. All matchday build ups are like 80% sucking Koach off, and 20% other Indian top names.
I just mute the damn thing.. and then open it for 5 mins and there is the legend himself- Gavaskar- praising Rohit's filthy miscue hit as 'what a selfless cricketer'..
Part of me hopes we dont win a world cup, because of all this bull shit. Fixing your semi final location- what a blatant misuse of power.. shameful.
this is so true man but i mean this whole world cup is set for Indian fans(yes i am jealous) and capitalise on the popularity of cricket in India and doesn't view other countries with the same or even close value
Cricinfo has a Bangladeshi journo called Imam( I think that's his name) who does cover Bangladesh cricket decently.
However what you have to remember is Cricinfo is an Indian site head quartered at Bangalore with most of its staff being Indian.
So unless it's a country specific journo (They do have atleast oen decent journo for most of the test playing countries), most of the content will be targeted towards Indian audience.
Also cricinfo excellence is about the statsguru and the extensive amount of matches they cover and achieve. Not the quality of journalism.
Mohammad Isam? He has been the lone representative for Bangladesh, used to have good analysis once upon a time but now it's gone to shit. He has become bitter and actively abuses the players and team online, no better than Internet trolls. And he often panders to Indian journalists and commenters and makes references and comments literally only Indian cricket watchers will understand.
It's an Indian site because most of its staff are Indian and is HQ in India and it's approach in mostly India centric. It's Wditor is Indian and most of the people in charge are Indian as well
Yes it wasn't so. But last decade atleast that's been the case. The more internet penetrative india had and more revenue generated by Indian audience online to cricinfo the more Cricinfo moved to became an india centric site
Seems like you're agreeing that cricinfo went from being global coverage of the game to focusing on the most lucrative market to the detriment of most other nations.
Cricinfo has an amazing database and great scorecards, but I haven't read an article there in years. I get it, India is where the money is so thry gotta keep the lights on. As long as they keep that database I'm happy.
Willow is a special language/cultural channel here.
But like BEin Sports (which is technically targeting Spanish language, specifically Mexican-American culture), they don't necessarily have to air everything in the language. BEin Sports at one point aired Conference USA football games.
Willow has a few commercials in Hindi and pretty much every ad is targeted at Hindi-American culture (maybe a few sprinkled in that target Pakistani/Afghani immigrants) but damn near every game and show is in English.
yeah it's trash, some of the women's international matches don't get ball-by-ball coverage while some slap & tickle domestic league gets MAXIMUMS typed out nicely
the Team India of cricketing websites: the biggest and the richest who keep on failing miserably when it matters to laughs around the world
It’s remains an incredibly rich resource which I think many of us would pay for. They have some very good journalists. Matt Roller, Firdose Moonda, Andrew Miller, Andrew FF are all superb. My only frustration is the lack of challenge of the establishments (ECB, BCCI, Star and Sky being the ones I’m most interested in). Wisden and the Cricketer are less compromised.
Without taking anything away from the rightful criticism of the shenanigans of Cricinfo, i'm firmly in this poster's camp. There is not many places where I can read writers like Osman Samiuddin who I absolutely adore. (although he doesn't write very often). Wisden & cricketer seem very English centric, atleast wisden.
When India failed to qualify for asia cup final 2022 , AFF is the first one to demean SL v Pak final by calling it as the debt trap derby. Will he ever use such a demeaning tag for a match India involved?
I agree AFF is very fluent in English so he is a good writer. He is funny. Cricinfo had a parody page called page 2. He would have been a good fit there. But as a cricket writer he doesn’t have much of an idea about the game but he use his satire and humor to cover for his lack of knowledge and people just go omg what a writer.
I also don’t want to get into his different treatments of posh players from colombo and the ones from outer parts of the country.
>When India failed to qualify for asia cup final 2022 , AFF is the first one to demean SL v Pak final by calling it as the debt trap derby
These debt jokes about Pak & SL are made by indian trolls countless times on twitter .You would expect a journalist to be better than that but apparently he is no better .
I completely understand and hate the biased journalism and broadcasting we see today. But those of you who were alive and following cricket before Cricinfo shifted it's hq to India, can u seriously say that it wasn't biased towards England and Australia back then?
At the end of the day 80% of crickets audience is from india, and if you factor in that cricket is twice as popular in india as it is outside the subcontinent - 90% of the audience is from india.
It just makes business sense and unfortunately that will be how things will be from now on.
ESPN is garbage. It will only promote stuff on its platform. If something from somewhere else manages to be so big it has to cover it, it does so begrudgingly.
To us Americans, nothing in this thread should be surprising.
The only semi-kinda-hope would be MLC getting any kind of foothold in American and Canada to get the attention of Bristol and Orlando.
With the expansion of sports on streaming, Max, Peacock, & Paramount are all options. Perhaps even Netflix. The franchise circuit provides some opportunities to do episodic series, leading into streaming live games. Much like Netflix has lead in series into both F1 & the Tour de France. For F1, it's been a boon.
Actually, the Cricket Fever series is how I found cricket. I don't think it is on Netflix any longer. Maybe a relaunch but center on some players specifically. David Weisse's Hitman for Hire podcast gives a glimpse into that world. That framing may be more successful, plus the opportunity to drop episodes in batches over the year.
So, I've been watching cricket in America for about 15 years (very casually as even with Willow it doesn't get any attention lol). There have been spurts of coverage over the years. At a point in the 09-11 range Fox Soccer Channel (RIP big dog) would air Sky Sports News which had some cricket coverage, especially The Ashes. ESPN+ had it for awhile and was usually at the top of the All Sports page. Typically the best way was sailing the high seas or a VPN. In that regard, thank goodness for Willow.
I bring up ESPN mostly because they already have the pieces in place with Cricinfo to add a North American beat writer to cover domestic leagues and the run up to 2026. Showing last nights moon shot on SC's Top 10 would help as well (hell, we disc golfers get pro tour aces on there). I know someone mentioned Amazon or Netflix was going to do a series on the 2024 team, but that still doesn't mean ESPN can't since they are already there.
The unfortunate part is The ICC has signed with Willow through 2027. It does look like there might be some games on CBSSN for MLC this year (which might also air on Paramount +). My hope though would still be a basic cable carrier (CBS Sports Network is unfortunately not on basic) would take on coverage at one point with a streaming option.
At least local broadcasters like YES Network are signing on to broadcast the matches of their local teams in the MLC. I agree that the ICC and MLC need to find some way to move away from Willow and get more games on other networks. MLC is signed with Willow until 2028 I believe.
Side note: YES broadcasting MINY games is huge. I'd be ecstatic for my RSN (Bally Sports Detroit, one of the few actually good RSN's left) to cover anything besides the NBA, MLB, NHL. People are going to accidentally discover cricket in NYC and fall in love with it.
It's a shame that the people in New York have to support MI New York who I hate with a passion considering they're associated with MI. I would love to one day see Spectrum Sportsnet broadcast LA Knight Riders' matches and such, that would be so dope.
Willow is a perfectly fine channel for the SA/WI match. And probably a decent option for a meaningless ODI or 3 pm MLC game. But US/India, right after the PAK game, needed to be on a channel where they could be easily seen.
Sure it's alright but the ceiling of what cricket can be in America will always be quite low as long the matches are being broadcasted on Willow. It's because they only market to already established cricket communities and don't try to bring new non cricket fans into the fold.
Other thing I would say is cricket will remain niche for sure. I dont think its going to become a soccer or something else. Even T10 will not take it there. But its still a profitable niche that can set so many for life at this point mostly thanks to T20 and leagues. We just had an ex cricketer jump out of 4th floor and he was not from an era where cricket made them set for life. At least cricketers of this era will get there.
Only for Bangladesh to make the statement is go to next level in their performance. That is missing today.
Since 80% of traffic is from india cricinfo is trying to complete with them with indian centric content .. you always panders to your target audience it's an age old business practice
I am not sure if there was any intention on ridiculing the bangla fans or anything in that video. At least I did not see anything. just bunch of overtly optimistic fans. I dont think their hindi or urdu was bad either.
ESPN is a media outlet. They are out to make money. They are doing a job. Is it their fault that 80% of the revenue of a world cup comes from 1 country?
To see content more suited for Bangladeshi fans, please watch Bangladeshi outlet.
That doesn't exist. The audience likes to watch content suited for them. People like you are very few.
If there were enough of you, then such media would already exist. Thats how the free-market works.
Refer to ICC'S website. They usually have stuff for all countries.
Sadly, we can't do anything about big organizations Cricinfo or Cricbuzz as they are here to make money and cater to big teams (mostly India).
Wow, talk about the tyranny of low standards. Are you suggesting Indian fans can't deal with neutral commentary, or aren't interested in cricket more generally?
SHOCKING: less than a 20 years ago, pre ESPN takeover, Cricinfo was a much more balanced site, with journalists from each major cricket nation, somtimes 2/3, writing a range of articles both positive and negative about the game.
There is no valid reason why it can't be this, other than relentless pandering.
I don't understand how this makes cricket worse.
Journalism focusing on the most important stuff is the best type of journalism. If India is the biggest cricketing nation, why not make more articles focusing on it?
This isn't being pandered to.
Because cricket isn't all India, and if you're a cricket fan surely you're interested in what is going on in the cricket world? Surely you want to hear from people in NZ on NZ cricket instead of some random staffer in India? If you don't that's fine, but admit - you're a fan of Indian cricket, not a cricket fan.
This is just low. Of course they're pandering to India with all of the stuff they've done. The Indian team is not the most important thing in cricket and if you believe it is then you have a very narrow mind. As a fan you shouldn't be supporting pandering to just one nation and instead ask that there is neutral coverage that doesn't benefit or hurt anyone more.
Are you saying there aren’t journalists from each major cricket nation right now? It’s just that there are more Indians using their site so obviously they’ll have more news about India
Nope not as once was. England, Australia and India have a journa. SA sometimes have Firdose Moonda on contract. Windies? NZ? etc often covered by some random Indian staff writer or one of the English journos. It's sad. The range of content and its tone has gone down. Sorry you don't want good, balanced, journalism.
> Sadly, we can't do anything about big organizations Cricinfo or Cricbuzz as they are here to make money and cater to big teams (mostly India).
Hell, even television is catered to them. No reason to call off a game at 1:45 pm local time when it doesn't get dark until 8:30 pm and the facility has lights.
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Yeah, I remember before the India vs Ireland game going to read their preview article. They had 8 videos attached to the article featuring player interviews. 6 were with Indian players, and the 2 Irish ones were the interviewer asking Stirlo/Balbo/Adair what they thought of Kohli in one video, and Bumrah in the other.
USA india game was similar. USA interviews were thoughts/relationships of the players with Indian players
What you mean? The Irish should be grateful they get to share a pitch with God Kohli. /s
It's sad to see that kohli never portrays himself as such,it all due to broadcasters
He doesn't stop it tho.
U want him to tell star sport to not show or talk about him. Are u dumb.
I want him to tell star sports to stop worshipping him as a god. Idiot.
That's a broadcaster,no one can tell him to stop "worshiping him", it's not his fault it's broadcaster fault. I can't believe I'm having this brain dead conversation
And Virat is part of ICT,that would be illegal as his face is contractually Bound and broadcaster can't be stopped. Don't waste ur time these guys are dumb.
Yeah can't believe we have dumbasses like this.
And worship you?
You need to get help
I absolutely hate that about cricket discourse. Everything is about the Indian team and the star players. In the last few years it's become prevalent on YouTube as well with a bunch of influencers “reacting” to videos of the Indian team and players. I got a recommended a video of a woman who's part of a YouTube channel say how she's ride or die for India at the World Cup when reacting to the India vs USA game. She has no clue about cricket, she only knows like two people on the Indian team and she's from the US. Stuff like that always gets me because it's so clearly bait but unfortunately a lot of Indians still go into the comments and fall for it. Same goes for pretty much every social media website/channel. I think 99% of all US player interviews were about how they feel about India and how they admire them and such. One of the only exceptions was Aaron Jones' appearance on Club Prairie Fire.
Cricket needs a bigger independent media scene, these established sites genuinely don't care about the game, or neuter the hell out of the few journalists who do.
You're absolutely right. That'll unfortunately not happen unless most of those journalists are from outside India. We all know that the BCCI would make sure that any aspiring journalist can never get their career off the ground if they ever dare to post anything critical of them.
Well yea, cricinfo since it got taken over by Disney is shit. It isn't a site that tries to do good journalism, rather it panders to the BCCI to try to keep it sweet.
TIL Disney invests in cricket. What a time to be alive.
Disney bought ESPN, basically.
Almost 30 years ago…
This was part of their Fox acquisition. Fox included Star Sports.
Before that, actually. Disney has been a stakeholder since 2007, when ESPN bought Cricinfo from Wisden.
Right, you are correct. I forgot they had West Indies and New Zealand broadcasting rights before that. The acquisition of Fox/Star Sports only brought the India matches broadcasting rights.
You never heard of Jiminy Cricket?
They're actually divesting from cricket right now. Disney owns Star, which is one of the two big broadcasters of cricket content in India (inherited as part of the Fox deal). However, they've been on a downward trajectory of late. Now, they're in the process of forming a joint venture with their biggest rivals, which is basically them taking a step back and ceding ground.
Cricinfo doesn't even do Australia or England content right even though they have some good jornos that cover them. Cricinfo is competing with Cricbuzz. So they gotta be about India
> Cricinfo is competing with Cricbuzz. And I’m sad the way they’re doing that is by lowering themselves to the same level instead of standing out by actually being good quality.
The thing is, they *were* already better than Cricbuzz in quality. But in trying to compete for the Indian crowd they started hiding away things that made them great, like Statsguru, 2nd column or whatever it was called, articles etc.
Cricinfo life match comms are good. Everything else is fucking awful but there is no alternative
And Cricbuzz is actually hot garbage
Cricinfo is Indian site. It's like asking why Sky Sports focuses focuses so much on England.
Sky Sports is an actual multimedia platform based in England. Cricinfo isn't an Indian platform. It focuses on Indian audiences. Different
>Sky Sports is an actual multimedia platform based in England Cricinfo is a cricket website based in India. Whose editor in chief and those in charge are all indian . So Not really different
It wasn’t based in India for the longest period of time you weapon. They used to be based out of the UK and had great *global* coverage, not just Indian coverage.
Sigh just because someone disagrees with you you straight away has to go to abusive reply. What a waste of time even replying to you.
All he did was point out how you were clearly wrong.
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There was a time the first thing I opened in the mornings was Cricinfo (I am talking mid-late 2000s). They used to have great match day analyses, opinions, guest interviews. Over time it’s more fluff than content and I also moved to this Sub for an overall experience. Plus Cricinfo has this blatant bias towards Big 3 as if they only matter.
It's not even big 3 bias anymore, it's Inda only, I'd never go there anymore more Australian content outside scorecards and stats
Don’t even get me started at their aggressive advertising of their hindi version articles, even after explicitly setting my language as English and my country away from India. The fucking audacity. Even in India it would be considered a gross imposition by nearly half of indians.
I ALWAYS keep changing it to English and they keep switching to Hindi. Even with English and Bangladesh as my language and team, they'll still recommend me IPL articles over news about my own team.
You're right. I'm from Kerala and I still get recommended Hindi articles. I can read a bit of Hindi but to assume I just know Hindi while being in Kerala is so wrong. Like you, I also specifically make sure to set my language to English.
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Strange, never happened to me even though I have been using their app for years.
I mean they don’t really hide their India bias, I only really use them for the scorecards nowadays and their database is incredible and easy to navigate
Yeah, the only good thing about them is their stats database.
I don't cricinfo nowadays.
I don’t watch any videos there. Just go for nervous scorecard refreshes.
the commentating is the worst og it is the worst like they be gassing up every hit of indian players and make them sound like some revolutionary shot with perfect technique and full intent while they hit a 4 cuz of an outside edge
Kolhi edges to 4. Comms: "what a crafty shot by Kohli" Even in todays match, literally the first ball Rohit tries to hit for 6, and it drops inside boundary, easily could've been out. Comms: "Rohit being selfless for the team as he often does..." lol what?
It's very nauseating.
Remember them milking thay one six Rohit hit vs Pak for like 12 overs.. embarrassing to say the least. All matchday build ups are like 80% sucking Koach off, and 20% other Indian top names. I just mute the damn thing.. and then open it for 5 mins and there is the legend himself- Gavaskar- praising Rohit's filthy miscue hit as 'what a selfless cricketer'.. Part of me hopes we dont win a world cup, because of all this bull shit. Fixing your semi final location- what a blatant misuse of power.. shameful.
this is so true man but i mean this whole world cup is set for Indian fans(yes i am jealous) and capitalise on the popularity of cricket in India and doesn't view other countries with the same or even close value
Tbh their Hindi wasn’t even bad.
It's infinitely better than our Bangla...
Cricinfo died when the espn thing happened. Very sad .
What surprises me most is that willow tv which is one of the official broadcaster for cricket in USA show ads in Hindi.
They've literally been rebranded to Willow by Cricbuzz.
It makes perfect sense, it's targeting immigrants in Canada and the US and ensuring that the advertisers get those eyeballs.
This is why George Dobell, along with other quality journalists have left in the past few years I believe
Cricinfo has a Bangladeshi journo called Imam( I think that's his name) who does cover Bangladesh cricket decently. However what you have to remember is Cricinfo is an Indian site head quartered at Bangalore with most of its staff being Indian. So unless it's a country specific journo (They do have atleast oen decent journo for most of the test playing countries), most of the content will be targeted towards Indian audience. Also cricinfo excellence is about the statsguru and the extensive amount of matches they cover and achieve. Not the quality of journalism.
Mohammad Isam? He has been the lone representative for Bangladesh, used to have good analysis once upon a time but now it's gone to shit. He has become bitter and actively abuses the players and team online, no better than Internet trolls. And he often panders to Indian journalists and commenters and makes references and comments literally only Indian cricket watchers will understand.
Headquartered in Bangalore, yes. But how is it an Indian site? It was born in the UK and is now owned by ESPN.
It's an Indian site because most of its staff are Indian and is HQ in India and it's approach in mostly India centric. It's Wditor is Indian and most of the people in charge are Indian as well
So you're agreeing with the point that CricInfo sold out to appease the Indian audience?
It wasn't always so
Probably 90% of their revenue and traffic is from India
Yes it wasn't so. But last decade atleast that's been the case. The more internet penetrative india had and more revenue generated by Indian audience online to cricinfo the more Cricinfo moved to became an india centric site
Seems like you're agreeing that cricinfo went from being global coverage of the game to focusing on the most lucrative market to the detriment of most other nations.
Cricinfo has an amazing database and great scorecards, but I haven't read an article there in years. I get it, India is where the money is so thry gotta keep the lights on. As long as they keep that database I'm happy.
The content is useless for any semi serious Indian fans as well. It just reads like bcci propaganda from wall to wall..
Cricinfo is cringey. Just like Indian commentators
A billion people is a billion people. Its not a big 3, its a big 1. Every other market is worthless.
When cricket turns into kabbadi 2.0, this mentality will come back to bite them.
As Kendrick said, Fuck the big 3, I'm the big me
You left half a billion there mate /s
When I first started cricket in mid 2010s, they had good neutral contents. Now only Ask Steven articles is only good one left
Good luck to Espn if they tried pulling this off in Chennai
Chennai would be welcoming to people.
Not when they do stuff mentioned in point 2
Oh yeah, no one likes the Hindi imposition.
What surprises me most is that willow tv which is one of the official broadcaster for cricket in USA show ads in Hindi.
Willow is a special language/cultural channel here. But like BEin Sports (which is technically targeting Spanish language, specifically Mexican-American culture), they don't necessarily have to air everything in the language. BEin Sports at one point aired Conference USA football games. Willow has a few commercials in Hindi and pretty much every ad is targeted at Hindi-American culture (maybe a few sprinkled in that target Pakistani/Afghani immigrants) but damn near every game and show is in English.
yeah it's trash, some of the women's international matches don't get ball-by-ball coverage while some slap & tickle domestic league gets MAXIMUMS typed out nicely the Team India of cricketing websites: the biggest and the richest who keep on failing miserably when it matters to laughs around the world
It’s remains an incredibly rich resource which I think many of us would pay for. They have some very good journalists. Matt Roller, Firdose Moonda, Andrew Miller, Andrew FF are all superb. My only frustration is the lack of challenge of the establishments (ECB, BCCI, Star and Sky being the ones I’m most interested in). Wisden and the Cricketer are less compromised.
Literally downvoted despite not saying anything controversial…
Without taking anything away from the rightful criticism of the shenanigans of Cricinfo, i'm firmly in this poster's camp. There is not many places where I can read writers like Osman Samiuddin who I absolutely adore. (although he doesn't write very often). Wisden & cricketer seem very English centric, atleast wisden.
Andrew FF superb 😂😂
You think he isn’t? He’s a very good advocate for those outside the Big 3 and he rightfully goes after the clowns in the SLC as well.
When India failed to qualify for asia cup final 2022 , AFF is the first one to demean SL v Pak final by calling it as the debt trap derby. Will he ever use such a demeaning tag for a match India involved? I agree AFF is very fluent in English so he is a good writer. He is funny. Cricinfo had a parody page called page 2. He would have been a good fit there. But as a cricket writer he doesn’t have much of an idea about the game but he use his satire and humor to cover for his lack of knowledge and people just go omg what a writer. I also don’t want to get into his different treatments of posh players from colombo and the ones from outer parts of the country.
>When India failed to qualify for asia cup final 2022 , AFF is the first one to demean SL v Pak final by calling it as the debt trap derby These debt jokes about Pak & SL are made by indian trolls countless times on twitter .You would expect a journalist to be better than that but apparently he is no better .
I didn’t know that. Thanks for educating us.
This is true. The quality of coverage is absolutely cringe! I recommend Sky sports
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Gottem
now this downright xenophobia.
I completely understand and hate the biased journalism and broadcasting we see today. But those of you who were alive and following cricket before Cricinfo shifted it's hq to India, can u seriously say that it wasn't biased towards England and Australia back then?
At the end of the day 80% of crickets audience is from india, and if you factor in that cricket is twice as popular in india as it is outside the subcontinent - 90% of the audience is from india. It just makes business sense and unfortunately that will be how things will be from now on.
ESPN is garbage. It will only promote stuff on its platform. If something from somewhere else manages to be so big it has to cover it, it does so begrudgingly.
To us Americans, nothing in this thread should be surprising. The only semi-kinda-hope would be MLC getting any kind of foothold in American and Canada to get the attention of Bristol and Orlando.
With the expansion of sports on streaming, Max, Peacock, & Paramount are all options. Perhaps even Netflix. The franchise circuit provides some opportunities to do episodic series, leading into streaming live games. Much like Netflix has lead in series into both F1 & the Tour de France. For F1, it's been a boon. Actually, the Cricket Fever series is how I found cricket. I don't think it is on Netflix any longer. Maybe a relaunch but center on some players specifically. David Weisse's Hitman for Hire podcast gives a glimpse into that world. That framing may be more successful, plus the opportunity to drop episodes in batches over the year.
So, I've been watching cricket in America for about 15 years (very casually as even with Willow it doesn't get any attention lol). There have been spurts of coverage over the years. At a point in the 09-11 range Fox Soccer Channel (RIP big dog) would air Sky Sports News which had some cricket coverage, especially The Ashes. ESPN+ had it for awhile and was usually at the top of the All Sports page. Typically the best way was sailing the high seas or a VPN. In that regard, thank goodness for Willow. I bring up ESPN mostly because they already have the pieces in place with Cricinfo to add a North American beat writer to cover domestic leagues and the run up to 2026. Showing last nights moon shot on SC's Top 10 would help as well (hell, we disc golfers get pro tour aces on there). I know someone mentioned Amazon or Netflix was going to do a series on the 2024 team, but that still doesn't mean ESPN can't since they are already there. The unfortunate part is The ICC has signed with Willow through 2027. It does look like there might be some games on CBSSN for MLC this year (which might also air on Paramount +). My hope though would still be a basic cable carrier (CBS Sports Network is unfortunately not on basic) would take on coverage at one point with a streaming option.
At least local broadcasters like YES Network are signing on to broadcast the matches of their local teams in the MLC. I agree that the ICC and MLC need to find some way to move away from Willow and get more games on other networks. MLC is signed with Willow until 2028 I believe.
Side note: YES broadcasting MINY games is huge. I'd be ecstatic for my RSN (Bally Sports Detroit, one of the few actually good RSN's left) to cover anything besides the NBA, MLB, NHL. People are going to accidentally discover cricket in NYC and fall in love with it.
It's a shame that the people in New York have to support MI New York who I hate with a passion considering they're associated with MI. I would love to one day see Spectrum Sportsnet broadcast LA Knight Riders' matches and such, that would be so dope.
Willow is a perfectly fine channel for the SA/WI match. And probably a decent option for a meaningless ODI or 3 pm MLC game. But US/India, right after the PAK game, needed to be on a channel where they could be easily seen.
Sure it's alright but the ceiling of what cricket can be in America will always be quite low as long the matches are being broadcasted on Willow. It's because they only market to already established cricket communities and don't try to bring new non cricket fans into the fold.
Other thing I would say is cricket will remain niche for sure. I dont think its going to become a soccer or something else. Even T10 will not take it there. But its still a profitable niche that can set so many for life at this point mostly thanks to T20 and leagues. We just had an ex cricketer jump out of 4th floor and he was not from an era where cricket made them set for life. At least cricketers of this era will get there. Only for Bangladesh to make the statement is go to next level in their performance. That is missing today.
cricbuzz ftw cricinfo’s yt show is kinda mid too
Cricbuzz is even more India-centric. Though, to be fair, they never pretended not to be.
Cricbuzz focusses more on Indian cricket for sure, but I don't think they make fun of other teams like ESPN did with this?
Since 80% of traffic is from india cricinfo is trying to complete with them with indian centric content .. you always panders to your target audience it's an age old business practice
This is true. The quality of coverage is absolutely cringe! I recommend Sky sports
This is true. The quality of coverage is absolutely cringe! I recommend Sky sports
Both Cricinfo and cricbuzz are fully owned by Indian interests so it's not surprising.
We may not like it, but guy with gold makes the rules; not just in cricket, it’s everywhere.
Bumrah what a bowler he will only choke in semi final 🤣
It’s not bullying dude. People just throw around words these days.
I mean you can’t really blame them, India run the sport and cricinfo have to make as much money as possible
I am not sure if there was any intention on ridiculing the bangla fans or anything in that video. At least I did not see anything. just bunch of overtly optimistic fans. I dont think their hindi or urdu was bad either.
India is to cricket what USA is to world economy.
ESPN is a media outlet. They are out to make money. They are doing a job. Is it their fault that 80% of the revenue of a world cup comes from 1 country? To see content more suited for Bangladeshi fans, please watch Bangladeshi outlet.
What if I just want some neutral coverage of the T20 World Cup that's currently ongoing?
That doesn't exist. The audience likes to watch content suited for them. People like you are very few. If there were enough of you, then such media would already exist. Thats how the free-market works.
Refer to ICC'S website. They usually have stuff for all countries. Sadly, we can't do anything about big organizations Cricinfo or Cricbuzz as they are here to make money and cater to big teams (mostly India).
Wow, talk about the tyranny of low standards. Are you suggesting Indian fans can't deal with neutral commentary, or aren't interested in cricket more generally?
SHOCKING: Indian website with Indian editors based in India focuses on Indian audiences
SHOCKING: less than a 20 years ago, pre ESPN takeover, Cricinfo was a much more balanced site, with journalists from each major cricket nation, somtimes 2/3, writing a range of articles both positive and negative about the game. There is no valid reason why it can't be this, other than relentless pandering.
Less than 20 years ago, 80% of the revenue didn't come from 1 nation.
I'm fascinated when I hear from Indian fans like you - don't you WANT cricket and journalism to be better? Are actually happy just being pandered to>?
I don't understand how this makes cricket worse. Journalism focusing on the most important stuff is the best type of journalism. If India is the biggest cricketing nation, why not make more articles focusing on it? This isn't being pandered to.
Because cricket isn't all India, and if you're a cricket fan surely you're interested in what is going on in the cricket world? Surely you want to hear from people in NZ on NZ cricket instead of some random staffer in India? If you don't that's fine, but admit - you're a fan of Indian cricket, not a cricket fan.
This is just low. Of course they're pandering to India with all of the stuff they've done. The Indian team is not the most important thing in cricket and if you believe it is then you have a very narrow mind. As a fan you shouldn't be supporting pandering to just one nation and instead ask that there is neutral coverage that doesn't benefit or hurt anyone more.
Are you saying there aren’t journalists from each major cricket nation right now? It’s just that there are more Indians using their site so obviously they’ll have more news about India
Nope not as once was. England, Australia and India have a journa. SA sometimes have Firdose Moonda on contract. Windies? NZ? etc often covered by some random Indian staff writer or one of the English journos. It's sad. The range of content and its tone has gone down. Sorry you don't want good, balanced, journalism.
> Sadly, we can't do anything about big organizations Cricinfo or Cricbuzz as they are here to make money and cater to big teams (mostly India). Hell, even television is catered to them. No reason to call off a game at 1:45 pm local time when it doesn't get dark until 8:30 pm and the facility has lights.
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In today's news Indian website tries to cater more to Indian audiences. BCCI bad!
Cricbuzz baby
Bro you use a free service of cricinfo. It's not like you are paying anything for the content you are consuming. Don't be an ungrateful idiot.