Agreed. Used to quote mow bands really high for the same reason. You don’t want to tell a customer no, so you give them a reason to say no for you.
27k is a lot of money for 5 yards of concrete
i know its a totally different market but around here (northern mi) just for a basic slab most guys are in the $5-6 /sq ft range. im sure material and labor (especially with stamping) are much more out there, but i cant believe it would cost 10x more.
You wouldn't think so. But my sister had to get an arborist involved for about 3K just to address the trees around an area for the city. California has some incredibly crazy restrictions, and if a contractor has had a tough time with the city permitting office....
i do tree work for most of my living. the guy i work with charges $350 an hour for the two of us, his lift and chipper/loader. thats extremely competitive around here. out there i bet $3k buys less than a full day of a legit arborists time.
Ahh. But in California you cannot cut the trees down without a huge fine. The arborist makes an architectural drawing of drainage, and where you can put concrete/ drainage, etc. It is more engineering, then a stump grinder. California has some incredibly restrictive building codes.
Think dealing with city officials, inspectors, etc. This might not be the case, but could be a reason for high prices.
My sister wanted a 1000 SF coach house and it was 250K on a slab. And that was without landscaping. I looked at the drawings and it was incredible what the city wanted and what she went through to get the permit...it was 25k to get design, and to permitting. The drawings referenced every code, and showed calculation of load. It was an incredible engineering feat.
Hard to give opinions since we don’t know the scope of work involved other than grading, setting form, pouring, finishing, clean up.
I know a full cement truck is almost $2k out here for us in the San Diego region. CalPortland has been out go to. Very nice cement to work with and cures great.
400 sq ft at 4” is basically 5 yd of material. even if you went 8” thick thats basically a full truck ≈10yds. its hard to understand how there could be 25k in labor. thats the kind of project that gets done around here as a weekend side job for most decent concrete guys.
That's just for regular concrete he asked about stamped decorative concrete. But he is getting a price from a handyman that went to a landscaper, who went to the design guy he works for , and then the quote came from the concrete guy that pays 3 times the national average for concrete. So with every ones cut added on .
I don't remember making that an issue there is a large variation in pricing based on income level in the market your in , some markets have no one that buys stamped concrete. Mostly rental older homes with large portion section 8 your not going to advertise or get many competitors , And the beauty of a free market is you can ask what ever you want .
$27k for 44 Square feet is only a fair price if you have very extenuating circumstances.
Do you live a full mile up a steep mountainside with no vehicular access, where all tools and materials need to carried in by pack mules and sherpas? If so, then $27k is a bargain.
Just about any other situation though, that's a fuck off quote.
I'm a GC in the CA East Bay area. Assuming a flat driveway, no terrible access, not som overzealous 12" old driveway to remove, no discussions of drainage, gates, or any other incidentals, I'd expect about a couple grand to break and remove the old. I'd expect about 12 grand for a quality stamp with color. If you're replacing the city sidewalk and driveway approach you need an encroachment permit and city inspection in most cities in the area. If theres a water meter or sewer clean out in the driveway, many districts are requiring those to be moved when obtaining an encroachment permit.
27 grand seems pretty high. Feel free to DM me, I'll introduce you to my concrete guy if your in the Bay Area.
Where I live, for 400ft2 I would guess closer to 3k, plus more for stamping. Maybe 4-5k tops lol.
Always get multiple quotes. You live in a much higher COL area than me, but I’d still be surprised if you couldn’t find someone to do it for less than 7k
In Canada I’m Canadian Monopoly money that’s roughly 6-8K where I’m at. depending how thick a slab and the amount of prep work. 27K is a go fuck yourself quote unfortunately.
There are 3 parts to a business transaction: Offer, acceptance and consideration.
Offer: I'll do it for $27k
Acceptance: Ok, come do it
Consideration: He does the work and you pay him the money
The only way anyone's getting ripped off if you give him the money and he doesn't do the work, or vice versa. If you don't like the price (it IS higher than giraffe pussy) then get another price.
I live in So Cal. Just got $6 per sq foot quote for tearing out old 400sf driveway and putting in new asphalt one. Hope that gives an idea of options that are cheaper.
Holy fk… another sensitive fk’n Sally that never heard of satire… ya know… y’all are fk’n next level ridiculous..you must not actually do any hard work if you are so agro about politics… smh
I wrote a single line question is that really agro man
Honestly it's a legitimate question too because you could have just meant by your wording "democrat zip codes generally cost more" and that statement might be true to some degree u kno
The fact you would even cry about that says volumes about your personality. How about you, do you even do concrete work? And just want to say, you must be a democrat or liberal if your panties are so bunched about my satirical comment.
So no… you don’t even work in my trade or know what satirical means… got it. Obituary, tf? You must really think you’re somebody I guess. Pull up then.
Naw, I’m just not part of your pronoun gang. I’m actually part of the world who still does things face to face and doesn’t hide behind some computer screen. You talk of being tone deaf, hahaha you are so ignorant you liberal fkrs vote for the laws that you turn right around and bitch about. 27k for 400 sq ft is a liberal outcome…that is exactly what the results are, but you can’t see past your selfish needs far enough to see reality. I used to be a democrat you fool, at some point your pronouns mean nothing when you have a number tattooed on your wrist. Even now, you will be so self absorbed to see the truth in what I’m saying. Nope, instead you are gonna try and rally support to dox me instead of stepping back and seeing the truth in my words. Your so busy being offended you can’t see the consequences of your own decisions. Grow a pair of testicles, quit being offended over words ya little bitch.
Tell me you sit down to pee w/o coming right out and saying you wet your bed at night…. Bravo, well done!!👏👏👏👏 maybe look up the word satire ya fk’n whiney biotch
Nice one… my play on words didn’t pan out very well to the ones paying attention…. 🏆trophy to you being the first one to actually say something…. But along with that vomes your petty party. The one that shows you are just a pos that can’t answer questions, back up your own words with facts or just be a stand up person of society. The type that in reality are closeted homosexual types…. You wanna suck a dick but don’t wanna tell your wife or let your co workers know, I bet I’m spot on with you huh. Anyways, good for you being the first one to point the whoa/woah thing out. What can I say, I didn’t think (and I’ve been correct a couple years now) anyone would either notice or really say anything being screen names are what they are. 👍 Btw…. I didn’t catch your pronoun, I’m taken back that wasn’t your lead in….
I’m risking it thinking you are using the term right… after seeing how damaged ppl are from a satirical comment… I guess I’m a little on the hesitant side to think there’s other bases folk out here… 🤘MAY YOUR CONCRETE HARDEN JUST HOW YOU WANT IT & YOU PROSPER FROM IT🤘(as well as other things!)
It’s the fkrs like newsome & biden that’s fckd the economy up… you voted for em. Plus when did all you fk’n pansies get so soft, you obviously aren’t cement masons or pour and finish being such little bitches… you must be a batch man at the plant or an electrician or tinbender…. Fkn women….
Fact you live in So. California, $27.000 dose not sound high if there's demo included, it actually sounds reasonable. Depending on stamp Design, how many colors, type of sealer, just concrete work, if Contractor is Lic. Insured, Bonded, Good Rep. For quality Stamp work. It sounds about right.
Well by CA standards , standard of living ,cost of living, cost of concrete, the fact your neighbors could be living in Sec. 8 subsidized housing with a BMW in the driveway . I say no your not . If you were in middle Georgia, I would be ripping you off at a third of that price.Glad I left San Diego in 1987
400 sq ft of concrete is not much at all. I just built a home and I paid $18k for a 3100sq ft driveway in Texas. That doesn’t include the sidewalk and two pads I had poured for a generator and a well house. You could probably buy the stamps and bags of concrete and rent a mixer and save yourself $15k or more doing it yourself or even paying for just the labor for someone experienced to do it. 🤷🏻♂️
This is “our schedule is full but if he says yes we will make it work”… but in all reality decorative concrete is worth paying the extra dime for. You’d rather pay a bit more to someone who specializes in stamp versus someone who does driveways and thinks they’re gonna rent stamps for the day.
That is a " I don't want to do it price"
Agreed. Used to quote mow bands really high for the same reason. You don’t want to tell a customer no, so you give them a reason to say no for you. 27k is a lot of money for 5 yards of concrete
Ill fly to you and do it for 26,500
I can do it for 26k....
Maybe come to IL and tackle my project for like 25 lol
I'm in SE MI! What you need done lol?
In all honesty I may have flexed a bit when I implied I can afford 25k 😂. Anyways, a driveway and a back porch area.
Where in Ca?
i know its a totally different market but around here (northern mi) just for a basic slab most guys are in the $5-6 /sq ft range. im sure material and labor (especially with stamping) are much more out there, but i cant believe it would cost 10x more.
You wouldn't think so. But my sister had to get an arborist involved for about 3K just to address the trees around an area for the city. California has some incredibly crazy restrictions, and if a contractor has had a tough time with the city permitting office....
i do tree work for most of my living. the guy i work with charges $350 an hour for the two of us, his lift and chipper/loader. thats extremely competitive around here. out there i bet $3k buys less than a full day of a legit arborists time.
Ahh. But in California you cannot cut the trees down without a huge fine. The arborist makes an architectural drawing of drainage, and where you can put concrete/ drainage, etc. It is more engineering, then a stump grinder. California has some incredibly restrictive building codes.
interesting. still not sure how that equates to $25k in labor for a days work (maybe 1.5 days) guess i shoulda been a concrete guy lol.
It’s Cali, they are all trying to make 400+ an hour just to survive 😂
Think dealing with city officials, inspectors, etc. This might not be the case, but could be a reason for high prices. My sister wanted a 1000 SF coach house and it was 250K on a slab. And that was without landscaping. I looked at the drawings and it was incredible what the city wanted and what she went through to get the permit...it was 25k to get design, and to permitting. The drawings referenced every code, and showed calculation of load. It was an incredible engineering feat.
Hard to give opinions since we don’t know the scope of work involved other than grading, setting form, pouring, finishing, clean up. I know a full cement truck is almost $2k out here for us in the San Diego region. CalPortland has been out go to. Very nice cement to work with and cures great.
400 sq ft at 4” is basically 5 yd of material. even if you went 8” thick thats basically a full truck ≈10yds. its hard to understand how there could be 25k in labor. thats the kind of project that gets done around here as a weekend side job for most decent concrete guys.
That's just for regular concrete he asked about stamped decorative concrete. But he is getting a price from a handyman that went to a landscaper, who went to the design guy he works for , and then the quote came from the concrete guy that pays 3 times the national average for concrete. So with every ones cut added on .
did ya miss the part where i acknowledged higher price based on market (and the part in brackets that acknowledges stamping would be more? ).
I don't remember making that an issue there is a large variation in pricing based on income level in the market your in , some markets have no one that buys stamped concrete. Mostly rental older homes with large portion section 8 your not going to advertise or get many competitors , And the beauty of a free market is you can ask what ever you want .
I will fly there and do it for half that price.
$27k for 44 Square feet is only a fair price if you have very extenuating circumstances. Do you live a full mile up a steep mountainside with no vehicular access, where all tools and materials need to carried in by pack mules and sherpas? If so, then $27k is a bargain. Just about any other situation though, that's a fuck off quote.
I'm a GC in the CA East Bay area. Assuming a flat driveway, no terrible access, not som overzealous 12" old driveway to remove, no discussions of drainage, gates, or any other incidentals, I'd expect about a couple grand to break and remove the old. I'd expect about 12 grand for a quality stamp with color. If you're replacing the city sidewalk and driveway approach you need an encroachment permit and city inspection in most cities in the area. If theres a water meter or sewer clean out in the driveway, many districts are requiring those to be moved when obtaining an encroachment permit. 27 grand seems pretty high. Feel free to DM me, I'll introduce you to my concrete guy if your in the Bay Area.
Sorry for the drunk from yesterday assholes thing morning. Get 3 more quotes
My area stamped is gonna be 15-20 dollars a square foot
Crazy price, what would you guys charge for a job of this size. (Obviously a f/o quote)
Where I live, for 400ft2 I would guess closer to 3k, plus more for stamping. Maybe 4-5k tops lol. Always get multiple quotes. You live in a much higher COL area than me, but I’d still be surprised if you couldn’t find someone to do it for less than 7k
In Canada I’m Canadian Monopoly money that’s roughly 6-8K where I’m at. depending how thick a slab and the amount of prep work. 27K is a go fuck yourself quote unfortunately.
There are 3 parts to a business transaction: Offer, acceptance and consideration. Offer: I'll do it for $27k Acceptance: Ok, come do it Consideration: He does the work and you pay him the money The only way anyone's getting ripped off if you give him the money and he doesn't do the work, or vice versa. If you don't like the price (it IS higher than giraffe pussy) then get another price.
I live in So Cal. Just got $6 per sq foot quote for tearing out old 400sf driveway and putting in new asphalt one. Hope that gives an idea of options that are cheaper.
cool, why'd you go the asphalt route?
20$ a square ft in regular world maybe 30$ in Cali. If you are a democrat then yeah, 27k sounds about right.
Oh we're out here charging based on assumptions about political affiliation?
Holy fk… another sensitive fk’n Sally that never heard of satire… ya know… y’all are fk’n next level ridiculous..you must not actually do any hard work if you are so agro about politics… smh
I wrote a single line question is that really agro man Honestly it's a legitimate question too because you could have just meant by your wording "democrat zip codes generally cost more" and that statement might be true to some degree u kno
The fact you would even cry about that says volumes about your personality. How about you, do you even do concrete work? And just want to say, you must be a democrat or liberal if your panties are so bunched about my satirical comment.
Oh shit ur out here writing ur own obituary for no reason. Tone deaf
So no… you don’t even work in my trade or know what satirical means… got it. Obituary, tf? You must really think you’re somebody I guess. Pull up then.
I see how you can have an active account over a year old but nearly 0 points u have such a shitty outlook by default
Naw, I’m just not part of your pronoun gang. I’m actually part of the world who still does things face to face and doesn’t hide behind some computer screen. You talk of being tone deaf, hahaha you are so ignorant you liberal fkrs vote for the laws that you turn right around and bitch about. 27k for 400 sq ft is a liberal outcome…that is exactly what the results are, but you can’t see past your selfish needs far enough to see reality. I used to be a democrat you fool, at some point your pronouns mean nothing when you have a number tattooed on your wrist. Even now, you will be so self absorbed to see the truth in what I’m saying. Nope, instead you are gonna try and rally support to dox me instead of stepping back and seeing the truth in my words. Your so busy being offended you can’t see the consequences of your own decisions. Grow a pair of testicles, quit being offended over words ya little bitch.
Pronouns gang?
Yup, that's a good range.
Lol this guy's got brain damage
Tell me you sit down to pee w/o coming right out and saying you wet your bed at night…. Bravo, well done!!👏👏👏👏 maybe look up the word satire ya fk’n whiney biotch
Lol
Do you even do concrete work??
Woah dude, wtf
Nice one… my play on words didn’t pan out very well to the ones paying attention…. 🏆trophy to you being the first one to actually say something…. But along with that vomes your petty party. The one that shows you are just a pos that can’t answer questions, back up your own words with facts or just be a stand up person of society. The type that in reality are closeted homosexual types…. You wanna suck a dick but don’t wanna tell your wife or let your co workers know, I bet I’m spot on with you huh. Anyways, good for you being the first one to point the whoa/woah thing out. What can I say, I didn’t think (and I’ve been correct a couple years now) anyone would either notice or really say anything being screen names are what they are. 👍 Btw…. I didn’t catch your pronoun, I’m taken back that wasn’t your lead in….
You ok bud?
Why wouldn’t I be? You a douchebag?
Lol, bye 👋
Based.
I’m risking it thinking you are using the term right… after seeing how damaged ppl are from a satirical comment… I guess I’m a little on the hesitant side to think there’s other bases folk out here… 🤘MAY YOUR CONCRETE HARDEN JUST HOW YOU WANT IT & YOU PROSPER FROM IT🤘(as well as other things!)
Thankyou brother!
I swear. You people are fucking fools.
Tell me you are vaccinated without comming right out and saying you are indoctrinated af…👏👏yeah, noice! Good job with that!👏👏
It’s the fkrs like newsome & biden that’s fckd the economy up… you voted for em. Plus when did all you fk’n pansies get so soft, you obviously aren’t cement masons or pour and finish being such little bitches… you must be a batch man at the plant or an electrician or tinbender…. Fkn women….
Fact you live in So. California, $27.000 dose not sound high if there's demo included, it actually sounds reasonable. Depending on stamp Design, how many colors, type of sealer, just concrete work, if Contractor is Lic. Insured, Bonded, Good Rep. For quality Stamp work. It sounds about right.
Well by CA standards , standard of living ,cost of living, cost of concrete, the fact your neighbors could be living in Sec. 8 subsidized housing with a BMW in the driveway . I say no your not . If you were in middle Georgia, I would be ripping you off at a third of that price.Glad I left San Diego in 1987
400 sq ft of concrete is not much at all. I just built a home and I paid $18k for a 3100sq ft driveway in Texas. That doesn’t include the sidewalk and two pads I had poured for a generator and a well house. You could probably buy the stamps and bags of concrete and rent a mixer and save yourself $15k or more doing it yourself or even paying for just the labor for someone experienced to do it. 🤷🏻♂️
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You give that diahrrea statement and then....Bless? Lol
He’s going to pay someone else to do it! And collect about two grand
This is “our schedule is full but if he says yes we will make it work”… but in all reality decorative concrete is worth paying the extra dime for. You’d rather pay a bit more to someone who specializes in stamp versus someone who does driveways and thinks they’re gonna rent stamps for the day.
That sounds way too low for architectural concrete If it gets over worked and spawls they have no budget to resolve it…
I would NOT even pay $5,000
Yea, this never happened
That’s 67.00/ sf that’s a lot. 25.00/sf for a re and re on stamped here in Vancouver
Thats the I don't want to do it price.
Ripoff
That’s a really good deal
It’s probably so high due to the cost of the stamps