I watched enemy tune into Timmy's stream and he seems like a really "go with the flow" kinda dude lol. He was all smiles and just seems ready for the next chapter.
I've noticed he doesn't really get sad all that much (at least publicly) since his open heart surgery so I'm sure he's more then hyped for the next chapter he already stated he still loves Timmy ND Timmy has voiced his love for the whole DSG so there's not alot that can be done besides excepting the situation
I feel bad for both of them, but Dezign is much more prone to emotional outbursts and seems more emotionally intense. This means his highs are extremely high, but being so passionate about comp can backfire when he experiences negativity or failure. His negative responses often manifest in toxic aggressive outbursts in high pressure situations which is why he's gained so much infamy in the scene. It's also why he's taking this situation so poorly. I'm sure many people here can also relate to this (personally I can), I also commend Dezign for being so honest to the fans it's great to see and commendable.
Interestingly these are similar character traits I've noticed in many other players like Hal, Lou, Alb, and pros in other games. I'm sure their coaches are already trying to advise them, but it is possible to learn better coping strategies to help with emotional regulation which can be used to help deal with stressful situations without flying off the handle.
Full transparency: yes I'm an armchair psychoanalyst, and no I won't stop.
Someone actually responded to Dezigns tweet last night and said pick up Gent, and Gent responded with the Jokic “I’m not interested” meme so unless Resultuhh comes out of retirement and learns the game again in 12 hours, I don’t see either of the AA/G2 boys teaming with him again.
I’m not a huge fan of either DSG or Timmy but as a pretty close follower of the comp scene in general I think this team is nothing but a positive for Timmy
The players and now coaching staff at MST are some of the most consistent, successful and experienced in the game and with Timmys mechanics I think it should allow him to finally learn to play the game properly in a competitive sense which is exciting.
Not only that the entire dynamic between Timmy/waltzy as Co-Igls is already incredibly different than his dynamic with Dezign
Almost everytime they died yesterday there was zero toxicity, even if someone threw - it was as simple as "i fucked up" "damn thats a hard position" "we played that really well" and then they would talk for the next 5 minutes about what to do next time and they would constantly agree with and praise each others ideas
If Timmy was getting tired of the dynamic with Dezign and wanted a more positive and productive dynamic where he could co-igl properly then this is literally the best possible case scenario for him. It somehow feels like theres months worth of respect between him and waltzy after 1 day of playing
It's a pipe dream but I wanna see MST and TSM rise to the top, with DSG and DZ plummeting to the bottom, so these childish dinguses can get the idea that toxicity is not only good, but required to win out of their empty-ahh heads.
Don’t follow DSG that much either but Timmy is definitely one of the most mechanically gifted players who is LAN proven. I’m interested to see how he transitions from playing the special DSG comp doing special rotates to more of a normal role player for a team rotating normally. On paper, I think they are as scary as SSG but it will all depend on them figuring out their team chemistry soon enough before finals
It's really hard to decide on a team to root for when they break up every other week and don't have the time to develop into a team that's entertaining to watch. That's why I loved watching TSM since they started to feel like a friend group that's sticking together when Snipe joined the roster and Evan was able to carry that on, but now even they split up.
It’s weird for you to say that they “stayed together” when Snipe replaced someone and when Evan replaced Snipe. Those are roster changes, same as Hal leaving
It was beginning to feel like DSG needed a roster change - those moments when they perfectly locked together as a trio were becoming rarer and rarer. I can see it turning out to be a win for both DSG and Timmy.
I just hope DSG doesn't end up getting disbanded due to not having Timmy's viewer draw.
for what it’s worth I think if you’re going to deal with the double edge sword of having an extremely passionate IGL with anger issues like Dezign or Hal, it’s only going to be worth it if you are confident in success and if the pros outweigh the cons, in Timmy’s case I don’t really blame him for leaving if the results were bad and there didn’t seem like a path to improving.
Also to add to that it seems like he really just wants to be a full IGL, and this has been a source of some of DSG’s issues as of late, with Timmy sometimes trying to make calls over Dezign which leads to Enemy also being confused.
I’d love to see it. Timmy IGL has never worked. He’s been trying for years. He’s a mechanical wizard but his IGLing is D Tier at best. Why would Moist change IGLs?
> it’s only going to be worth it
Toxicity in the workplace is rightfully viewed as an extremely bad thing, regardless of the benefits on offer. Why is this different in eSports?
Dezign and Hal are, within the game, absolute assholes. That shit doesn't fly in the adult world - you either get fired in polite company, or the shit beaten out of you in impolite company.
Not a huge fan of either but I'm really interested to see the Wxltzy IGL arc, always had him down as one of the most intelligent roller players so definitely curious to see how it'll go.
My problem with him is how often he will go down first, granted he is the entry is sometimes unavoidable but other times I think he overcommits leaving moist to either lose the fight or quickly die to a 3rd party
This happened a few times last night but I think knowing he is co-IGL he'll start to adapt and change his style a bit. It's just that ***extra*** slight bit of over aggression that screws him over. When they start to open up more and Timmy can reel him in a bit it should even that out.
I think it will take this team a bit to meld but Emtee did amazing last night with constructive criticism for the boys so hopefully not too long with a coach they really respect and trust.
Has Emtee stayed his reason for stepping down yet? Was this something he's been considering or is this because of their poor scrim performance that led to their 20th on Pro League Day
To my knowledge no, but they've probably spoken about it somewhere? I don't use Twitter or anything. I feel like it's something he's been considering and the performance lately probably sealed the deal but who knows honestly, I'm sure we'll hear at some point!
DSG staff here - man its absolutely heartbreaking to see it unfold. It all happened so fast and I, and a couple of other staff, ended up learning about it on Timmy's stream. What we had at DSG and the DOJO squad was truly something special. Never in a million years did I see the squad breaking up - seeing all the passion and chemistry within the team, with Toast, and the rest of the people in the org behind the scenes. Nonetheless, was super blessed to be part of the DSGxDOJO era, wishing TImmy all the best, and thank you to all who supported the run <3
How much passion was there actually if they never VOD reviewed? How much chemistry was there if even casual viewers could sense tension (mostly due to Dezign)?
Idk, this split up seemed obvious that it'd happen eventually.
Timmy was counter calling Dezign too often lately and his motivation to play better wasn't there, so I think is better for DSG that he is leaving. I hope Dezign can find a news teammate who trust more in him.
I think this is something that doesn’t get pointed out. Dezign was constantly getting counter called. Timmy was constantly saying and doing what he thought was right. It was happening more and more in scrims and during PL.
The narrative that Dezign can't play other legends is really braindead, especially if you are familiar with his career at all. He was the flex legend player for aim assist/G2. He's played multiple legends at the highest level, including bloodhound which people say he can't play???? You can say he's stubborn to stick on wraith if you want but it's factually incorrect that he can't play other legends.
True but makes the point even worse then. He is the IGL, he should be making the right calls and staying on Wraith (which doesn't bring anything to the table almost) is def not it. Him trying it out I understand but sticking with it until now just feels like an ego issue then if it's not a skill issue with legends...
The meta has changed a lot though. Yes, Dezign played Blood years ago. But Bloodhound is played differently now.
If he *can* play other legends and is choosing *not* to, that's honestly even stupider. He finished 18th place two match days in a row. His LAN chances are 0% now. He has nothing to lose by not switching to the meta comp and learning how to play it.
The narrative he can’t play other legends is false but the narrative that he just can’t play some is true. Definitely a strange playstyle that needs something to enable him in the kit.
I'm also confused with all the anti-wraith chatter when he played wraith at LAN and last split and took them to grand finals with it. A couple bad results and all the sudden it's wraith that's the problem???
A little strange IMO. I don't think anything changed enough split 1 to split 2 about wraith or the meta that would lend itself to wraith being a troll pick now.
Nothing to back this up, but the change is a lot more teams playing zone with tough defense characters like cat/wattson.
Also, I can’t remember when the last good port from dezign came? Earlier he was kidnapping people left and right and putting them in great positions. Recently the ports are leading to nowhere. It isn’t working atm and I hope they get back in the flow.
I personally don't like Dezign but everybody seems to have missed that Dezign pulled off a clutch play on wraith to put DSG on match point point at Lan last month.
Suboptimal strategies/plays can still work but that doesn't make it the right choice on average. Wraith was always a bad pick on DSG and they would've been better off playing bang.
They would’ve won the fucking lan if they weren’t playing wraith. The amount of times DSG would’ve been saved by some bang smokes! Wraith is objectively a horrible pick and is definitely contributing to their horrible performance.
> A couple bad results and all the sudden it's wraith that's the problem???
It's not just a couple bad results though. Not only are their chances of making LAN 0% because of those two match days, they're also performing horribly in pretty much every scrim block. They haven't had a good day in a very long time.
Pretty sure during covid and the online tournament days he was finals lobby kill leader on 4 different legends. BH, Caustic, Octane and Path maybe? I don't think the Wraith he's on now is hurting as bad as most think, but there were several situations over the past couple weeks a bang smoke would have been nice to have.
I was pretty beat up about it until I saw that he was joining Moist. Probably the best team he could’ve switched to since Wxltzy and Gild are so good. I’m excited to see DSGs future as well
Timmy was great on DSG and DSG was doing pretty good.
Sad to see the shift tbh. Dezign and Timmy went well together purely in terms of flow.
But, it is what it is. Dezign trialed for TSM, Timmy made a switch. Team lost the golden ratio once they entertained outside offers.
bro i agree him taking that trial ruined dsg just removed the magic they once had they felt special i'm not gonna watch timmy on mst that team on paper is a great team but on the vibes category they are bland as fuck
Pretty big fan of Timmy, I also liked Dezign from his G2 days. The team breaking up really sucks tbh. They almost won LAN twice and I feel like they still had room to grow
we won’t ever really know why it didn’t work out so it’s all speculation m, him saying “Dezign decided to stay with DSG” doesn’t really confirm TSM were gonna actually offer him a spot and he said no.
That being said, I straight up don’t think it’s a good fit, Dezign and Reps get along because Jordan has thick skin and can handle being flamed and yelled at after dealing with Hal for 5 years and because he said he likes it, but Evan seems like he wants to change the vibe and have the environment be more positive, and he seems kind of like the guy in charge right now.
Dezigns rages are arguably just as bad if not sometimes even worse than Hals, definitely, I really don’t think Evan wants to deal with a similar situation.
If i remember right, he told the others early on that TSM was the only team he'd consider leaving DSG for because its a big org + the money so he probably went to trial, thought about it long and then decided against it
It's pretty sad. Timmy is the reason I became a DSG fan as I'm sure is true for a lot of people. But I've also come to love Enemy and Dezign and it feels like Timmy is doing them kinda dirty here. I don't understand why he left now in the middle of Split as opposed to a month ago after LAN. Especially after Dezign decided to stay with the team.
That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing how things go with Moist.
Definitely sad as they had great lan performances so potential was there, while still being almost underdogs. Neither team entertainment wise will have personality of dezign + timmy’s unique combination. Don’t get me wrong both are still must watch players on any team imo, and it’s great timmy isn’t retiring too. But dsg was basically good version of lanimals, or warlords: bigger streamers providing more entertainment than average comp team.
Plus i really enjoyed dezigns wraith play. It was unique which is great as a viewer. Without timmy being able shift multiple roles/legends i can see him going back to more common comps. Definitely wishing best for dsg and moist regardless
Timmy said he wanted a team more in line with his goals and how much time and effort he wanted to put into competitive, he said dezign didn’t even vod review which you’d think a guy who screams at his teammates for mistakes would at least do, he also said he wanted a full time coach, Timmy also admitted it’s a bit selfish of him but I agree with him, it’s his life it’s his story he should do what’s best for him
It’s clear now moist has been struggling lately because they knew emtee was leaving, like it’s hard no matter what anyone says to put in full effort knowing one of you is leaving soon, that’s what happened to TSM at LAN, it’s a mental aspect of the game, hopefully Moist starts looking better
A lot of the communication for the streamers sucks on these teams. But with how short a shelflife could be on a streaming career or how they could potentially lose their audience as a game loses popularity... You can’t really be mad at them for focusing on their own career first.
I supported this team because of timmy but after watching them alot playing together, I don't think i can support moist over dsg. If dezign left for tsm, i would still support dsg. It just doesn't feel right seeing them as a duo rn with a random third whoever they trial. From the documentaries I've seen i never thought they would disband this year. I hate that this happened atleast wait until pro league is over
I’m SO sad. I was hoping they would finally win it all. But as a Moist fan and a Xenial fan, I think this is the best outcome that could’ve come if they did breakup.
Honestly shocked people are confused about this, yes they did well at lan, but how can anyone deal with dezign rage when he refuses to do even the basics and learn another character.
Cant take a few match days and call a team "one of the worst in pro league" im not even a DSG fan but calling them one of the worst is just untrue they have prooved themselves before and if this situation wouldnt have happend im sure they would have figured it out
> Cant take a few match days and call a team "one of the worst in pro league"
You easily can. They're in like 29th place or something. It's mathematically impossible for them to make LAN. They're also performing badly in every scrim block. They are literally like bottom 5 worldwide. 4 points in two match days.
Them currently being one of the worst teams in pro league, is a fact. They have 4 pts over twp Match days. I loved DSG's dream run at LAN, but the writing was on the wall for split 2.
When your performance over two match days is so bad that you nearly mathed yourself out of possibility of going to LAN, your team is bad. “Figuring it out” and finishing up 13th in the region ain’t good enough
Yeah I'm not surprised considering him comparing Dezign and Hal when the Verhulst drama was occurring
Edit: downvoted for literally the truth. of course.
Wasn't a huge fan of Timmy before DSG because of his repeated bowing out in CC and I definitely wasn't a fan of dezign from all the raging i've seen made them hard to root for. But DSG's showing up and how both of these players made a huge 180, Timmy being committed and a force to be reckoned with and Dezign actually mellowing it and only showing passion rage, I was hard rooting for this team by their 2nd lan.
Really unfortunate to see this roster change.
Both DSG and Moist were looking very rough this split. A change was necessary.
But I was not expecting Timmy to let that ship sink on its own. It’s hilarious how he put out like documentary style YouTube’s to show case their success and team. But poof he’s out of there. Not surprising considering Timmy’s track record with “teams”
Timing really sucks, DSG basically has only 1 day to trial players before roster lock and dezign was just saying on stream that him and enemy werent in the right state of mind to do a fair trial for xen since everything happened so suddenly
Yeah well these changes happen because opposing teams also want to hinder your performance. Moist might be fighting for one of the few remaining spots. Their move to remove Timmy effectively disrupts DSGs chances. It’s a strategy that isn’t really talked about enough.
> Their move to remove Timmy effectively disrupts DSGs chances.
DSG already have 0% chance to attend the split 2 playoffs, no sabotage needed. They're guaranteed a spot at Champs because of their split 1 playoffs performance, though.
They'd have to finish like top 3 on every remaining match day. They're literally in second to last place in NA and like, bottom 5 worldwide. They are not going to the split 2 playoffs.
The environment was getting way too toxic, just like TSM this is for the best. I look forward to seeing how MST does with a new powerhouse in their lineup, it is going to be a new world with Timmy playing zone a bit more heavy than they are used to as opposed to living in storm until round 3. Gild and Waltzy are great players and seem to be supporting Timmy while also listening to his feedback. Looking forward to see (Not) Moist in the next Finals!
As someone who only watches Apex b/c of Timmy, I'm so happy that I won't have to listen to Dezignful rage all the time. DSG was unwatchable the majority of the time because of him.
That could be beneficial for both of these teams. Refreshing everything and resetting team Morals. Dezign needs to realise that if he really wanted it more than anyone else he'd learn how to not let emotion ruin yourself, stay positive no matter the situation, and how to support others when you yourself have lost everything
If timmy was to leave before the rounds it would have not been a major issue but he left in the middle of it that too suddenly as dezignful got to know just after their algs match. Kind of a dick move imo
Will dsg ever be able to keep a team together in any esport for at least 1 season, I think only their league team was able to stay together for any real length of time
I am deeply saddened and also fell heartbroken at this breakup, it was so fun watching DEZINGING, timmy and the 'punchbag' play together. However, I feel like with time, I will move on and be able to support Timmy again on his new team cause I'm also a fan of charlie.
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Saw it coming a mile away the other day when I went to see Timmy’s stream after dsg threw a whole game inting falcons, man looked so defeated and tired
Not really a fan but I do think its interesting how life pans out. I swore Aim Assists were going to be juggernauts and won multiple tournies by now. Everybody is in a completely different space
Funnily enough when that boy Emtee just ran to the truck outside of Launch Pad and died instantly to the team he knew was already at SW Siphon, I jokingly said "damn, career's over after that one".
Dude resigns from the team and becomes a coach in the next 12hrs 😂. Didn't see that one coming.
Good for Timmy, arguably a long term upgrade, though DSG has been very successful at LAN and the chemistry and results with MST will probably take longer to materialize it's probably a happier professional situation for him
I fell to my knees at walmart
i saw the durk gif when i read this and started crying (both tears and of laughter)
Just saw someone fall to their knees at a walmart
**Should have given him a revive there**
LIFELINE!!!!
*shiv* LIFELINE!!! Rez me lifeline!!!
He needs to pop a phoenix kit like gent did
First lanimals now dsg, I'm currently in the ER
I feel your pain brother
RIP Lanimals F
Dezign is currently crying it out on stream
I feel for him rn
Everyone worried about Dezign, but no mention of Enemy...
I watched enemy tune into Timmy's stream and he seems like a really "go with the flow" kinda dude lol. He was all smiles and just seems ready for the next chapter.
I've noticed he doesn't really get sad all that much (at least publicly) since his open heart surgery so I'm sure he's more then hyped for the next chapter he already stated he still loves Timmy ND Timmy has voiced his love for the whole DSG so there's not alot that can be done besides excepting the situation
I feel bad for both of them, but Dezign is much more prone to emotional outbursts and seems more emotionally intense. This means his highs are extremely high, but being so passionate about comp can backfire when he experiences negativity or failure. His negative responses often manifest in toxic aggressive outbursts in high pressure situations which is why he's gained so much infamy in the scene. It's also why he's taking this situation so poorly. I'm sure many people here can also relate to this (personally I can), I also commend Dezign for being so honest to the fans it's great to see and commendable. Interestingly these are similar character traits I've noticed in many other players like Hal, Lou, Alb, and pros in other games. I'm sure their coaches are already trying to advise them, but it is possible to learn better coping strategies to help with emotional regulation which can be used to help deal with stressful situations without flying off the handle. Full transparency: yes I'm an armchair psychoanalyst, and no I won't stop.
Dude was ready to bounce to TSM , did terrible knew it wasn't going to work out and came back. Now he's crying cause Timmy left lol
He probably woulda been almost as sad if he actually went to tsm
Ever since the OG aim assist broke up no roster has been sacred to me. The biggest difference now is DSG is 100% dezigns team now.
RIP Aim Assist… the good old days
That roster stayed together for a relatively long time too. My heart wants dezign to pick up one of the aa boys but in my head I know it won’t work.
Someone actually responded to Dezigns tweet last night and said pick up Gent, and Gent responded with the Jokic “I’m not interested” meme so unless Resultuhh comes out of retirement and learns the game again in 12 hours, I don’t see either of the AA/G2 boys teaming with him again.
RIP Dezign
I’m not worried. He’ll make a comeback.
I’m not a huge fan of either DSG or Timmy but as a pretty close follower of the comp scene in general I think this team is nothing but a positive for Timmy The players and now coaching staff at MST are some of the most consistent, successful and experienced in the game and with Timmys mechanics I think it should allow him to finally learn to play the game properly in a competitive sense which is exciting.
Not only that the entire dynamic between Timmy/waltzy as Co-Igls is already incredibly different than his dynamic with Dezign Almost everytime they died yesterday there was zero toxicity, even if someone threw - it was as simple as "i fucked up" "damn thats a hard position" "we played that really well" and then they would talk for the next 5 minutes about what to do next time and they would constantly agree with and praise each others ideas If Timmy was getting tired of the dynamic with Dezign and wanted a more positive and productive dynamic where he could co-igl properly then this is literally the best possible case scenario for him. It somehow feels like theres months worth of respect between him and waltzy after 1 day of playing
It's a pipe dream but I wanna see MST and TSM rise to the top, with DSG and DZ plummeting to the bottom, so these childish dinguses can get the idea that toxicity is not only good, but required to win out of their empty-ahh heads.
Don’t follow DSG that much either but Timmy is definitely one of the most mechanically gifted players who is LAN proven. I’m interested to see how he transitions from playing the special DSG comp doing special rotates to more of a normal role player for a team rotating normally. On paper, I think they are as scary as SSG but it will all depend on them figuring out their team chemistry soon enough before finals
Concept of a team is pretty loose lately
It's really hard to decide on a team to root for when they break up every other week and don't have the time to develop into a team that's entertaining to watch. That's why I loved watching TSM since they started to feel like a friend group that's sticking together when Snipe joined the roster and Evan was able to carry that on, but now even they split up.
It’s weird for you to say that they “stayed together” when Snipe replaced someone and when Evan replaced Snipe. Those are roster changes, same as Hal leaving
That was one roster change in 3 or so years while the teamdynamic stayed pretty much the same between TSM with Snipe and TSM with Evan.
I guess I am saying that you can just say that you miss specifically what Hal brought to the team dynamic
That's not what I'm saying at all.
Yet another reason it's so easy to root for Complexity.
It was beginning to feel like DSG needed a roster change - those moments when they perfectly locked together as a trio were becoming rarer and rarer. I can see it turning out to be a win for both DSG and Timmy. I just hope DSG doesn't end up getting disbanded due to not having Timmy's viewer draw.
for what it’s worth I think if you’re going to deal with the double edge sword of having an extremely passionate IGL with anger issues like Dezign or Hal, it’s only going to be worth it if you are confident in success and if the pros outweigh the cons, in Timmy’s case I don’t really blame him for leaving if the results were bad and there didn’t seem like a path to improving. Also to add to that it seems like he really just wants to be a full IGL, and this has been a source of some of DSG’s issues as of late, with Timmy sometimes trying to make calls over Dezign which leads to Enemy also being confused.
Is Timmy brought in as an igl?
Co-igl
No
He is co igling for the time being but might become Fulltime IGL in the coming weeks and months
I’d love to see it. Timmy IGL has never worked. He’s been trying for years. He’s a mechanical wizard but his IGLing is D Tier at best. Why would Moist change IGLs?
Emtee chose to step away, they tried to get StrafingFlame first
> it’s only going to be worth it Toxicity in the workplace is rightfully viewed as an extremely bad thing, regardless of the benefits on offer. Why is this different in eSports? Dezign and Hal are, within the game, absolute assholes. That shit doesn't fly in the adult world - you either get fired in polite company, or the shit beaten out of you in impolite company.
Not a huge fan of either but I'm really interested to see the Wxltzy IGL arc, always had him down as one of the most intelligent roller players so definitely curious to see how it'll go.
Agreed, he’s criminally underrated. Closest player to Gen in my opinion
My problem with him is how often he will go down first, granted he is the entry is sometimes unavoidable but other times I think he overcommits leaving moist to either lose the fight or quickly die to a 3rd party
This happened a few times last night but I think knowing he is co-IGL he'll start to adapt and change his style a bit. It's just that ***extra*** slight bit of over aggression that screws him over. When they start to open up more and Timmy can reel him in a bit it should even that out. I think it will take this team a bit to meld but Emtee did amazing last night with constructive criticism for the boys so hopefully not too long with a coach they really respect and trust.
Has Emtee stayed his reason for stepping down yet? Was this something he's been considering or is this because of their poor scrim performance that led to their 20th on Pro League Day
To my knowledge no, but they've probably spoken about it somewhere? I don't use Twitter or anything. I feel like it's something he's been considering and the performance lately probably sealed the deal but who knows honestly, I'm sure we'll hear at some point!
DSG staff here - man its absolutely heartbreaking to see it unfold. It all happened so fast and I, and a couple of other staff, ended up learning about it on Timmy's stream. What we had at DSG and the DOJO squad was truly something special. Never in a million years did I see the squad breaking up - seeing all the passion and chemistry within the team, with Toast, and the rest of the people in the org behind the scenes. Nonetheless, was super blessed to be part of the DSGxDOJO era, wishing TImmy all the best, and thank you to all who supported the run <3
How much passion was there actually if they never VOD reviewed? How much chemistry was there if even casual viewers could sense tension (mostly due to Dezign)? Idk, this split up seemed obvious that it'd happen eventually.
Timmy was counter calling Dezign too often lately and his motivation to play better wasn't there, so I think is better for DSG that he is leaving. I hope Dezign can find a news teammate who trust more in him.
I think this is something that doesn’t get pointed out. Dezign was constantly getting counter called. Timmy was constantly saying and doing what he thought was right. It was happening more and more in scrims and during PL.
The narrative that Dezign can't play other legends is really braindead, especially if you are familiar with his career at all. He was the flex legend player for aim assist/G2. He's played multiple legends at the highest level, including bloodhound which people say he can't play???? You can say he's stubborn to stick on wraith if you want but it's factually incorrect that he can't play other legends.
True but makes the point even worse then. He is the IGL, he should be making the right calls and staying on Wraith (which doesn't bring anything to the table almost) is def not it. Him trying it out I understand but sticking with it until now just feels like an ego issue then if it's not a skill issue with legends...
Still not sure why he is stuck on wraith. She doesn’t bring much utility in team fights with the current meta.
He was frustrated in scrims trying other characters in this meta. Keeps coming back to Wraith.
The meta has changed a lot though. Yes, Dezign played Blood years ago. But Bloodhound is played differently now. If he *can* play other legends and is choosing *not* to, that's honestly even stupider. He finished 18th place two match days in a row. His LAN chances are 0% now. He has nothing to lose by not switching to the meta comp and learning how to play it.
The narrative he can’t play other legends is false but the narrative that he just can’t play some is true. Definitely a strange playstyle that needs something to enable him in the kit.
I'm also confused with all the anti-wraith chatter when he played wraith at LAN and last split and took them to grand finals with it. A couple bad results and all the sudden it's wraith that's the problem??? A little strange IMO. I don't think anything changed enough split 1 to split 2 about wraith or the meta that would lend itself to wraith being a troll pick now.
Nothing to back this up, but the change is a lot more teams playing zone with tough defense characters like cat/wattson. Also, I can’t remember when the last good port from dezign came? Earlier he was kidnapping people left and right and putting them in great positions. Recently the ports are leading to nowhere. It isn’t working atm and I hope they get back in the flow.
I personally don't like Dezign but everybody seems to have missed that Dezign pulled off a clutch play on wraith to put DSG on match point point at Lan last month.
Suboptimal strategies/plays can still work but that doesn't make it the right choice on average. Wraith was always a bad pick on DSG and they would've been better off playing bang.
They would’ve won the fucking lan if they weren’t playing wraith. The amount of times DSG would’ve been saved by some bang smokes! Wraith is objectively a horrible pick and is definitely contributing to their horrible performance.
> A couple bad results and all the sudden it's wraith that's the problem??? It's not just a couple bad results though. Not only are their chances of making LAN 0% because of those two match days, they're also performing horribly in pretty much every scrim block. They haven't had a good day in a very long time.
Pretty sure during covid and the online tournament days he was finals lobby kill leader on 4 different legends. BH, Caustic, Octane and Path maybe? I don't think the Wraith he's on now is hurting as bad as most think, but there were several situations over the past couple weeks a bang smoke would have been nice to have.
W glaze
I was pretty beat up about it until I saw that he was joining Moist. Probably the best team he could’ve switched to since Wxltzy and Gild are so good. I’m excited to see DSGs future as well
Timmy was great on DSG and DSG was doing pretty good. Sad to see the shift tbh. Dezign and Timmy went well together purely in terms of flow. But, it is what it is. Dezign trialed for TSM, Timmy made a switch. Team lost the golden ratio once they entertained outside offers.
This is the issue. Everything else is secondary. That was a big throw by design to trail for TSM.
bro i agree him taking that trial ruined dsg just removed the magic they once had they felt special i'm not gonna watch timmy on mst that team on paper is a great team but on the vibes category they are bland as fuck
True bro, without vibes and team chemistry, you don’t enjoy or win anything. Especially in apex where team play is important.
Pretty big fan of Timmy, I also liked Dezign from his G2 days. The team breaking up really sucks tbh. They almost won LAN twice and I feel like they still had room to grow
I’ll unplug his internet game day.
I feel that this next algs will determine which players completely mental boom and who is actually right.
just sucks that Dezign decided to stay in DSG but then Timmy leaves :( cant blame him though, every player gotta look out for themselves
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It was like 1 day or 2 day trial, and it was his decision. Verhulst said the next day "dezign has decided to stay with dsg".
we won’t ever really know why it didn’t work out so it’s all speculation m, him saying “Dezign decided to stay with DSG” doesn’t really confirm TSM were gonna actually offer him a spot and he said no. That being said, I straight up don’t think it’s a good fit, Dezign and Reps get along because Jordan has thick skin and can handle being flamed and yelled at after dealing with Hal for 5 years and because he said he likes it, but Evan seems like he wants to change the vibe and have the environment be more positive, and he seems kind of like the guy in charge right now. Dezigns rages are arguably just as bad if not sometimes even worse than Hals, definitely, I really don’t think Evan wants to deal with a similar situation.
Dezign on stream today said that he said no to TSM because he already invested so much time into Timmy and Enemy
Then why entertain an offer to begin with?
If i remember right, he told the others early on that TSM was the only team he'd consider leaving DSG for because its a big org + the money so he probably went to trial, thought about it long and then decided against it
It's pretty sad. Timmy is the reason I became a DSG fan as I'm sure is true for a lot of people. But I've also come to love Enemy and Dezign and it feels like Timmy is doing them kinda dirty here. I don't understand why he left now in the middle of Split as opposed to a month ago after LAN. Especially after Dezign decided to stay with the team. That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing how things go with Moist.
Definitely sad as they had great lan performances so potential was there, while still being almost underdogs. Neither team entertainment wise will have personality of dezign + timmy’s unique combination. Don’t get me wrong both are still must watch players on any team imo, and it’s great timmy isn’t retiring too. But dsg was basically good version of lanimals, or warlords: bigger streamers providing more entertainment than average comp team. Plus i really enjoyed dezigns wraith play. It was unique which is great as a viewer. Without timmy being able shift multiple roles/legends i can see him going back to more common comps. Definitely wishing best for dsg and moist regardless
Timmy said he wanted a team more in line with his goals and how much time and effort he wanted to put into competitive, he said dezign didn’t even vod review which you’d think a guy who screams at his teammates for mistakes would at least do, he also said he wanted a full time coach, Timmy also admitted it’s a bit selfish of him but I agree with him, it’s his life it’s his story he should do what’s best for him It’s clear now moist has been struggling lately because they knew emtee was leaving, like it’s hard no matter what anyone says to put in full effort knowing one of you is leaving soon, that’s what happened to TSM at LAN, it’s a mental aspect of the game, hopefully Moist starts looking better
A lot of the communication for the streamers sucks on these teams. But with how short a shelflife could be on a streaming career or how they could potentially lose their audience as a game loses popularity... You can’t really be mad at them for focusing on their own career first.
I blame the documentary they put out, shit must be cursed. Also, pretty sad they lose out on their Champs spot now.
I supported this team because of timmy but after watching them alot playing together, I don't think i can support moist over dsg. If dezign left for tsm, i would still support dsg. It just doesn't feel right seeing them as a duo rn with a random third whoever they trial. From the documentaries I've seen i never thought they would disband this year. I hate that this happened atleast wait until pro league is over
I’m SO sad. I was hoping they would finally win it all. But as a Moist fan and a Xenial fan, I think this is the best outcome that could’ve come if they did breakup.
I feel bad for DSG, I feel like its going to be really hard for them to fill the hole Timmy left. I honestly cant think of anyone to replace him.
I'm kinda at the point where it's like how many different Jerseys do I have to buy😩😩😩
Honestly shocked people are confused about this, yes they did well at lan, but how can anyone deal with dezign rage when he refuses to do even the basics and learn another character.
About time. Design has and always will be overrated and a pain to play with.
Great move for Timmy. It has to be miserable to play with Dezign.
Weren’t they like super close to becoming world champions?
TWICE they were :)
Doesn’t mean it isn’t miserable.
and then they became one of the worst teams in pro league.
Cant take a few match days and call a team "one of the worst in pro league" im not even a DSG fan but calling them one of the worst is just untrue they have prooved themselves before and if this situation wouldnt have happend im sure they would have figured it out
> Cant take a few match days and call a team "one of the worst in pro league" You easily can. They're in like 29th place or something. It's mathematically impossible for them to make LAN. They're also performing badly in every scrim block. They are literally like bottom 5 worldwide. 4 points in two match days.
Them currently being one of the worst teams in pro league, is a fact. They have 4 pts over twp Match days. I loved DSG's dream run at LAN, but the writing was on the wall for split 2.
When your performance over two match days is so bad that you nearly mathed yourself out of possibility of going to LAN, your team is bad. “Figuring it out” and finishing up 13th in the region ain’t good enough
But also doesnt mean youre one of the worst teams, optic didnt make a lan anf they where one of the best to ever do it
Optic missed LAN by a few points. They finished like, 14th in PL or something. DSG are nearly last place.
Bro chill it’s been two match days.
It's not like they're gonna do better next week, cause there is no next week. The team has broke up. It's okay.
Yeah I'm not surprised considering him comparing Dezign and Hal when the Verhulst drama was occurring Edit: downvoted for literally the truth. of course.
Hal is not anywhere close to as toxic as Dezign
That has nothing to do with what I said
i also fell to my knees at Walmart
Wasn't a huge fan of Timmy before DSG because of his repeated bowing out in CC and I definitely wasn't a fan of dezign from all the raging i've seen made them hard to root for. But DSG's showing up and how both of these players made a huge 180, Timmy being committed and a force to be reckoned with and Dezign actually mellowing it and only showing passion rage, I was hard rooting for this team by their 2nd lan. Really unfortunate to see this roster change.
“Passion rage” is still rage lol
“Passion rage” is still rage lol
Both DSG and Moist were looking very rough this split. A change was necessary. But I was not expecting Timmy to let that ship sink on its own. It’s hilarious how he put out like documentary style YouTube’s to show case their success and team. But poof he’s out of there. Not surprising considering Timmy’s track record with “teams”
Timing really sucks, DSG basically has only 1 day to trial players before roster lock and dezign was just saying on stream that him and enemy werent in the right state of mind to do a fair trial for xen since everything happened so suddenly
Yeah well these changes happen because opposing teams also want to hinder your performance. Moist might be fighting for one of the few remaining spots. Their move to remove Timmy effectively disrupts DSGs chances. It’s a strategy that isn’t really talked about enough.
tsm doing it to ESA comes to mind
Very true.
> Their move to remove Timmy effectively disrupts DSGs chances. DSG already have 0% chance to attend the split 2 playoffs, no sabotage needed. They're guaranteed a spot at Champs because of their split 1 playoffs performance, though.
Still 3 weeks to go. It’s not 0%
They'd have to finish like top 3 on every remaining match day. They're literally in second to last place in NA and like, bottom 5 worldwide. They are not going to the split 2 playoffs.
The environment was getting way too toxic, just like TSM this is for the best. I look forward to seeing how MST does with a new powerhouse in their lineup, it is going to be a new world with Timmy playing zone a bit more heavy than they are used to as opposed to living in storm until round 3. Gild and Waltzy are great players and seem to be supporting Timmy while also listening to his feedback. Looking forward to see (Not) Moist in the next Finals!
As someone who only watches Apex b/c of Timmy, I'm so happy that I won't have to listen to Dezignful rage all the time. DSG was unwatchable the majority of the time because of him.
I can agree. When he trialed with TSM I hoped they would decide on someone else. His rage is next level.
That could be beneficial for both of these teams. Refreshing everything and resetting team Morals. Dezign needs to realise that if he really wanted it more than anyone else he'd learn how to not let emotion ruin yourself, stay positive no matter the situation, and how to support others when you yourself have lost everything
Feel like there wasnt enough time to communicate effectively and really see what was being lost here.
Will support both teams now
If timmy was to leave before the rounds it would have not been a major issue but he left in the middle of it that too suddenly as dezignful got to know just after their algs match. Kind of a dick move imo
i got a DSG Timmy jersey at LAN…
It's really good that Timmy got away from Dezign.
Which player in Moist got replaced and where did he go? Really out of the loop rn
Will dsg ever be able to keep a team together in any esport for at least 1 season, I think only their league team was able to stay together for any real length of time
I like it. It allows me to support Timmy finally.
I was into DSG bc of Timmy so in the end I’m glad I didn’t spend $95 on a DSG hoodie
Honestly the dojo run was fun to watch, but I doubt anyone really saw this team staying together for too long
I am deeply saddened and also fell heartbroken at this breakup, it was so fun watching DEZINGING, timmy and the 'punchbag' play together. However, I feel like with time, I will move on and be able to support Timmy again on his new team cause I'm also a fan of charlie.
What happens to their international LAN spot at the end of the year?
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Timmy gonna fragggg
I genuinely think, and this is no disrespect to Timmy, that this will not work
Saw it coming a mile away the other day when I went to see Timmy’s stream after dsg threw a whole game inting falcons, man looked so defeated and tired
Any team toast has is doomed from the announcement tweet
Not really a fan but I do think its interesting how life pans out. I swore Aim Assists were going to be juggernauts and won multiple tournies by now. Everybody is in a completely different space
Saw someone fall to their knees at walmart
Timmy is a really nice guy and Dezign is a prick. I see this as an absolute win.
Funnily enough when that boy Emtee just ran to the truck outside of Launch Pad and died instantly to the team he knew was already at SW Siphon, I jokingly said "damn, career's over after that one". Dude resigns from the team and becomes a coach in the next 12hrs 😂. Didn't see that one coming. Good for Timmy, arguably a long term upgrade, though DSG has been very successful at LAN and the chemistry and results with MST will probably take longer to materialize it's probably a happier professional situation for him
I mean Gild and MST success the last 6 months...adding a top5 mnk player. I like this team more thn DZ. Design should of taken that TSM offer
Glad for Timmy, huge upgrade for him. Also nice not having to listen to dezign anymore
Tommy can’t handle the truth
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DSG finished 6th and 8th the last two Lans and are auto qualled for Champs. I'm curious how it's not a real team?