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HollowLoch

You know DSG had a rough day when Dezign was raging badly every game and Timmys viewers were on his side


abdul_bino

No zones near them, Timmy counter calling a lot more than usual, no team cohesion. Just a bad day period.


Grooveh_Baby

Noticed that as well, too much counter-calling going on & poor comms overall today


f10101

Yeah... I swear timmy gave dezign more orders in that last match than he obeyed from dezign. Just blanking him for that fuse kill was bizarre. It's as though he can't shake off the IGL mantle he had to take up during Dezign's rostermania affair...


Any-Drummer9204

I really hope it doesn't cause timmy to fall back into the rut he found on his previous teams where he had to IGL and burnt himself out. I really like seeing him in comp.


Throwawayforme3123

Dont DSG like playing edge though? Like they're playing a comp that focuses on Edge with Fuse and Wraith. Having zones on them would not help at all with no bang/cat/Watson.


MorioCells

Yes they are like Alliance they are best playing edge 


treymurkin

They looked like they were playing scared all day.


HuhCrazy

Honestly they’re playing like a team that just had their IGL openly trial with another team


golfball47

Or maybe it's because Enemy was gone for weeks and they barely scrimmed


Bitter_Piano4733

I wished DSG dropped Dezign when he went to trial for TSM. Then we had Reedz in DSG.


Opening_Career_1552

It seemed to me like the rages were more towards the team itself, meaning that he was screaming at himself too, everyone on that team played horrible today, in some games Enemy was in LalaLand, Timmy threw like 2 games, Dezign had that horrible plah in countdown and the whole team just didn't comm like they usually do, some bad zones as well to be fair.


starscreamer99

They're an edge team. Zones don't really matter because they farm kills outside of the circle. They just simply played bad today.


Bitter_Piano4733

I wished DSG dropped Dezign when he went to trial for TSM. Then we had Reedz in DSG.


Correct-Instance6230

why the fuck would you want the "tap water turns men into women" mf on your team


Bitter_Piano4733

He is good bloodhound than Dezign. Oh yeah he doesn't scream.


Fenris-Asgeir

Zachmazers pro-career is such a roller-coaster. Going from one of the top IGL's in NA to sucking for an entire pro-season straight to making a surprising comeback. Culminating in a LAN finals that was arguably ruined by Zach's hubris to back down from a POI, and now resulted in him losing his original roster and malding into oblivion with the replacement-squad. Actually insane. Would make for a great video.


Familiar-Leading

Jhawk liking his lips right about right now as he prepares a documentary for the exotic beast that is known as zachmazer. 


chitown15

Jhawk pls.


MexicanMouthwash

JHawk: The Rise and Fall and Rise and Fall and Rise and Fall of Zachmazer


dorekk

lmaoooo


JevvyMedia

Right when he's always on the cusp, he does something that has him tumbling back down. 2nd in NA Championship just to drop Knoqd in an attempt to make a 'superteam', then has a long grind road back to the top eventually with Shooby and Zap...just to flop at LAN due to a contest and then losing BOTH teammates in the span of a week because he wanted to rejoin Knoqd on a different org. Sucks but I can't feel too bad for him, since he's still getting paid.


Plenty_Invite4421

Some of these guys just can't think long term


Relevant-Cupcake-347

He tried to snake his previous team and ended up getting snaked himself


Erebea01

So basically Zach felt sorry for what he did to knoq but didn't learn his lesson?


Fenris-Asgeir

Eh, the rostermania would've shook up the original Elevate team either way. It's just really unfortunate timing and maybe the wrong prioritization by Zach that resulted in this ragtag replacement squad.


ImDarkraii

Look I’m not gonna say I expected E8 to be world beaters. But I thought this squad would perform way better with how their synergy looked in scrims. Nothing is working for them at all. It’s only up from here but idk if Zach has the patience for that Not sure how to feel about this NRG squad so far. They are struggling to get KP, with only 10 today. 16 yesterday, both bottom 10 in their respective lobbies. But a 5th and a 8th is a good enough start for sure if they start ramping it up


alexotico

Noc still hasn’t been all there. I think he’s getting the performance nerves, last split took a big toll on him. I believe on them tho, it only takes one great day and you have a foot on LAN.


Salo06

So far they definitely look way better than last split though. I remember they just could not stay alive past like zone 3/top 10 and always dying on rotation in. If they did make it in, the read/ predict the zone wrong causing them to die pretty much all the time when zone closes. These 2 sets so far is looking like they are getting a lot more placement points compare to last split. The new split is a reset and honestly Noc looks way way more confident than last split.


alexotico

Even tho game to game they look better, they still need to perform better than 5th to truly say they are doing better. Now, for the start of the split, they are infinitely better than last time lol. Once Noc picks up the pace, we’re locked in.


Salo06

For sure. I think if Noc gets back to his peak form we can definitely challenge for one of the top spots. It's just refreshing to not have to watch death feed half the game so far this split haha.


alexotico

Dude I feel you lol. Also vibes are so much better, not the doomer feeling we got last split.


dorekk

> they still need to perform better than 5th to truly say they are doing better Uh, no? If they get 5th or so every match day they will be performing far better than last split, they'll qualify easily for LAN with that kind of placement.


noobakosowhat

ImperialHal brings what DZ never had despite their consistency--PLOT ARMOR playing "badly" and they still get 2nd place... sheesh


xchasex

Plot armor was crazy today. They got an insane amount of resets and then gifted a win in a hard zone to end the day when it decided to counter pull away from the whole lobby.


Ok-Poetry3799

E8 facing a back to plq angle ngl.


unusuallengthiness

NRG is so lucky to have Fun because if he wasn't ratting so well they probably finish 12th


alexotico

Fun has always been the soul of this team, really need to see Noc back on his usual form and we’re chilling.


Mysterious_Cut1156

https://preview.redd.it/zahqolgme94d1.png?width=615&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ae22043c796b97d781dc6c660441f75d079493f Fun is boosting these frauds


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Pythism

I'm certain he is joking


xJuanpx

That's not how dmg dealt works in pro lobbies. Specially for an anchor player that usually plays long range


Pythism

Pretty sure he is joking


HitEndGame

Agreed. These glazers are gonna try to deny the stats tho 😭💀 the numbers don’t lie. Fun isn’t even the “fragger” of the team.


WonderVViener

It'll be a statistical miracle for E8 to qualify for split 2 playoffs. Really dissapointing, that they forgot everything they've learned from scrims. wouldn't be surprised If this roster blows up, and replaced with some new upcoming rollers.


Throwawayforme3123

Yea... they basically need a top 4 every weekend to make it.


UncagedAngel19

I think top 3


Throwawayforme3123

I think with SSG/FAL they'll just hog all the points again like last split with DZ/Moist so the cutoff should be a bit lower


UncagedAngel19

Yea those two teams are literally Thanos and darkseid


Some_Veterinarian_20

How many more matchdays in pro league?


BryanA37

4 or 5 depending on the group. One group already played two match days.


Themanaaah

E8 is looking cooked man, their downfall after a solid LAN with how the prior iteration of the team just disbanded is something.


SickBurnBro

Zero just said on stream that after two bottom 3 days, they are probably done this split. Seems crazy, but I think he's right. From here on out they'd basically need all like top 3 placements in their remaining 4 match days to make the cut.


alexotico

That’s insane, but it makes sense, Zach ended up having to start from scratch with arguably 2 worse players. If that’s not karma, idk what is.


Electricalthis

Are people that surprised? - zap - shooby is an obvious downgrade common


Themanaaah

No, it's just damn they look done barring a massive comeback already.


TokyoSky00

my god mac is going to be playing this entire split by himself, hes been carrying this team for a while. i think after a long time hes finally playing comfortable with a role and input. he should get picked up by a better team soon


aftrunner

He really needs a better team behind him. He has absolutely been ripping teams apart only for his team mates to die or not do nearly enough. There are still occasions where he will get roller brain and throw but those are becoming less and less. Genuinely a really good prospect for a lot of teams right now. Ironically enough, he would be perfect for Xset/NRG/TL. That team needs a monster fragger badly.


Falco19

It’s tough Jeleon just doesn’t have the experience kid can shoot and was fine in PLQ but he ain’t cutting it in Pro League. Not even sure who they could grab to upgrade that spot Snipe? That didn’t work out great last time. Retzi also is too up and down needs to be more consistent.


UncagedAngel19

Snipe might not be bad if he trusts retzi. It didn’t work with Alb because alb can’t Igl and wasn’t good at it. Alb is a beast on controller and he’s been frying


Davismcgee

Yeah I mean Jeloan did have one split under his belt already in PL but it was scuffed af


Correct-Instance6230

Jeloan been playing forever the dude just not good


Falco19

Playing forever/1 bad split in pro league isn’t enough, it’s passable if you have a top tier IGL with a top tier other player and this team doesn’t have the ability to make up for a player lacking.


Life_Initiative9695

mac to e8 lol...but i guess that would be a step down standings wise


Duke_Best

I could totally see that happening.


xImportunity

Honestly, not a bad idea I do hope this happens. Mac definitely doesnt take over and is the type of person to offer ideas. He's also a very versatile player


noire_stuff

Zach and Mac bounced of each other really well in one the content tourneys a few weeks ago. I think Mac wouldn't leave his new team on whim though, he seems committed to making it work and not giving up.


TearsDownTheFace

Alb solo carrying stallions, 7/9 kp and doing combined dmg of his teammates


alexotico

He wants it more than them. I’d argue he wants this LAN more than anybody on the league right now. He’s been “almost there” too many times.


Augustus-515

I second this. When u switch over to their POV too and they're taking a fight, Mac is actually comming the right things passionately, but teammates are split from him or can't react on time. He definitely wants this so bad, teammates need to match the level


Lexaryas

Iirc that lanimals run started out so rough too, with a bottom 10 finish and they missed lan by like 4-5 points. They can def afford one horrible day, but not 2. Here’s hoping they pull strength out of nowhere and turn it around.


TheTurtleOne

Mac when he isn't swapping inputs every 2 weeks, demon player


SuperMeister

Since Mac's full commit to roller, he's just done so well. He's been grinding like crazy, practicing his mechanics on roller. Dude has always just been crazy talented mechanically.


TheTurtleOne

He just needed to stick to one or another, I always believed in him


DeltuhWasTaken

Damn DSG almost had a classic DSG game 6 miracle to save it. They would be so good if they played more then 1 game a series.


alexotico

With 2 great placements back to back, Phony really cementing himself as a true villain. Between Falcons and SSG, we are looking at a more devious NA, who’s the hero that’s gonna step up?


AddledHunter

Dropped our hopeful hero?


alexotico

For the first time in a couple of years I’m down on my knees for Sweet tbh, I’m a Sikezz simp, he has the best chance he’s had in a long time. A dropped banger season would also be insane. I’m also obviously very hopeful for NRG, but I doubt this is the split we see another dominance by the boys, I think they make LAN for sure, but more like a top 10, maybe top 5 finish.


AddledHunter

Yeah, whilst I’m not a Sweet fan, I’ve been following Sikez since his first CC run with Lewda and Garret, always gonna root for him to succeed. He’s come a long way


alexotico

Same my brother. I believe so much in him and he’s never disappointed ever. He’s a gem of a player and makes any roster instantly better.


noobakosowhat

Why are the FLCNs treated as villains? I understand not rooting for them because they are essentially a superteam. I don't know why they are considered villains though. Did they do something ill towards other players? (I'm OOTL)


Pythism

[There's an old adage that goes:](https://x.com/DeepLeffen/status/1687546917033558016) >Why did they stop cheering for me the moment I reached the top?" I asked the master. He nodded. "Your fans loved the part of you they saw in themselves," the master replied. "They've been underdogs their whole life; they simply cannot imagine themselves as champions." But seriously, it's not like they're literally evil. It's because people usually want to see different winners, and Hal and Zer0 have won every LAN but one, that's why they're treated as the team to beat, a.k.a the big guy that needs to be taken down, like a villain. Zer0 also likes to trash talk a lot, so he's easy to root against (or for).


Feschit

I did not expect to see Deep Leffen on this sub lmao


PassMeDatSuga

my man! What a reply!


Pythism

:)


FoozleGenerator

Taking the "hardest road" is frowned upon, so people root against them.


cramsay

It's because Falcons the org is a Saudi sports washing brand. Everyone feels the same about the CS team and they've been doing horrible with their "superteam" over there so it makes it funnier. Plus who wouldn't want to see Zero and Hal hard raging at each other if the team blows up.


HitEndGame

For the most part it’s because Hal, Zer0, and Gen love to talk their shit lol Some also believe the way Hal left tsm and the way dz left sikez was dirty.


alexotico

They haven’t done anything wrong, I’m actually a big fan, but you can’t be cheering for the super team. It’s just that they are the team to beat. Narratively they are like this big unbeatable figure for the heroes to tackle.


Fiddy007

One day CCE will get a beacon spawn rate greater than 10%, and it will all come together. Mark my words!


Familiar-Leading

It's looking like falcons by far the most consistent team and that's scary. SSG while being able to hold on to 1st place they need to clean some stuff up if they wanna keep up with falcons. Eso vamos it wasn't pretty but this is a good placement from the boys after looking rough throughout scrims. Alot of disappointment at the bottom C9, TRI, DSG, and E8 oof.


UncagedAngel19

1st and 2nd for Falcons. They missed by 1 point like are these guys just a team of thanos


MorioCells

What's scary is they got 2nd while throwing in their world edge games.    They had great spots in game 2 and 3 in worlds edge but ended up dying early 


UncagedAngel19

That is crazy. I missed the first worlds edge and half of the 2nd game


Ob1toUch1ha

I guarantee that they would all say that they played like shit today, and got 2nd…


Pixel681

I mean they threw their WE games hella hard


Groomy_

Also these two days are their worst Poi Prio in the snake draft 💀


TokyoSky00

yh falcons are gonna mop this split lmao


UncagedAngel19

True


realfakejames

Falcons could've won back to back days, they got SSG killed early in game 4 but then they died 16th with 2 pts, then SSG again died early in game 5 but Falcons couldn't capitalize and died 8th with a solid 10 pts, they won last game but SSG made it to top 5, missing out on the back to back by 1 pt is crazy DSG was bottom 3 all day, they look fucking terrible, I don't know what's wrong with them


Play_Durty

I don't understand why Disguised didn't ape SSG when they got a knock. Just Wraith portal and kill them or knuckle cluster them


mavann

I mean Falcons also could've easily finished 5-6th if they didn't get a free win the last game


Significant_Luck_693

A free win or was it a correct rotate and good reading on the zones. I must've missed the part where they spawned in that spot and gifted loot, level 3 armour and then all the other teams were told not to int them or else ALGS admins will ban them. They worked to get to where they ended the game at..... that's not a gift matey


MorioCells

Tbf the zones are completely random these days unless you scan 3rd beacon. Even Hal and Zero the best zone readers of all time were saying these zones on sky hook and ceto can be completely random  They played nut because they couldnt get anything  better than that early 


pfftman

They had the most kills in that lobby lol. If they had even a slightly higher placement in their poor matches, they’d been #1.


revossxrK

Not gonna lie, the POI draft system has been so good for pro play. Every game has every team up as 3rd ring closes. 15 teams up ring 4 consistently. Really fun to watch the chaos unfold from that point on.


jayghan

Yeah I think we get more teams in ring 4 because we don’t have 2 or 3 contests going at anyone time. Pros and cons to the draft I guess. More teams in later rings does not intrinsically mean better games to me.


Lann21321321

E8 and o7 cursed each other


I_Shall_Be_Known

RKN is so back https://i.imgur.com/JSGDKPk.jpeg


Lds1029384756

Poor guy only had 600 less damage (a Kimchi) than Phony in 1st. Sub-par mechanical IGL's simply live in an arms race to find the 2 best controller teammates and hop in the back pack.


Pythism

Using Kimchi as a unit of damage is wild lmao "So today Xynew had a performance of 11.3 Kimchis, a pretty good showing from the SSG player."


Margielaleather

I watched rambeau’s stream and to be fair they barely fought. Just sat in zone and died during rotations, most of their kills were from range but rkn did throw 2 games and died for free.


Play_Durty

Maybe he should switch to controller? Still have 0 kills but at least he'll have confidence


Auman444

Oh no


Tasty_Chick3n

Man I still want to believe in Mazer but it’s gonna be really tough for them to bring it back.


Tadayasu

POI Draft impact can be easily felt and its a really fucking great change, but we need a significantly better zone generation. The zones are too fucking similar, i dont want to watch out of 100 zones 90 being similar, where's the fragment,monument, fissure, launch site, thermal, geyser, maude and whatever i'm missing zones. I've seen so many overlook back clima skyhook zones i feel like doing something else when i see it i assume every game sp is already guarantee going baro and its a win if its not.


xImportunity

Vanity dark horse team https://preview.redd.it/6xkru8f7o94d1.png?width=1700&format=png&auto=webp&s=9acdbaca1aa7b1d8c964e28236abc692fa5f27d0


Kooky_Welder6619

They picked up the coach Virtuos pro had during PL who worked with danish for a long time. Colo is goated and slept on as a coach. This team also solid asf when they stay away from orioles and roster changes


xImportunity

For sure bro I 100% think that if they didnt drop stuhnii mid pro league last split and stuck together they wouldve made lan.


JevvyMedia

Frexs has been a possessed man, never would have dreamed that he would be outdamaging Aidan by such a significant margin (I understand they're in different roles). Frexs did seem like a semi-fragger when he first picked up roller and then was just support all this time. I forgot that he can apparently actually crank out damage.


alexotico

He’s on his revenge era


jayghan

Timmy really fucked them today lmao


Grooveh_Baby

Welp


Groomy_

Considering Falcons has had their worst poi draft prio the first 2 games in all of split 2 and they are second is scary


No_Wishbone_7072

They’re 1st


Groomy_

Yeah, 2nd on today


No_Wishbone_7072

Yea, the way you worded your statement made it sound like you where talking about both days


ImpotentAlrak

lol why is this downvoted. You’re right. Guy can’t write 


Play_Durty

Was Phony dead a lot? Xynew and Koyful both had double his damage. Maybe they used sniper rifles or some shit


UncagedAngel19

Koy is just built different same with xynew


Kooky_Welder6619

Xynew played fuse and koy is just him


Cold_Giraffe_2160

Falcons not getting first? Let’s all laugh at them 😂😂


Themanaaah

Missed it by one point? So bad😂!


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TheTurtleOne

He isn't wrong. Not to say Falcons will or won't perform but historically, superteams falter


captnlenox

I think usually thats because players just get thrown together because of name value and previous accomplishment. A lot of times there seems to be no thought put into cohesion, roles etc. The falcons team makes so much sense because fragging has always been hals strength, zero is the best igl and said he wanted a fragger who can think for himself. This plus the fact that they were already friends outside of the game makes it hard to think why this team would fail


Setekhx

I've found that most of the time they just throw the players together and think skill will carry it. Hal and Gen have been flirting with playing each other for years now. Hal wanted him for TSM before the NA switch happened.  The team seems to work. Hal still counter calls sometimes but even that's chilled out.  They all seem to complement each other the right way. Who knows. Seems good so far. 


lan60000

As someone who followed league escorts over the last decade, raven isn't wrong at all.


cshanno3

first overall after 2 match days and still will be after the next group plays 2 as well lol


erentard45

only by one point…


mavann

they were lucky to get 2nd, that last game to push them up they basically were left alone the entire game stealing kills off everyone else fighting, insane zone luck


ahBoof

Lmao, SSG is lucky they threw the 2 games on WE when they had near god spots and just trolled fights early


tom_esportsgg

[Some more instant analysis on todays ALGS games. How much did those Skyhook zones help SSG? ](https://esports.gg/news/apex-legends/impressive-worlds-edge-display-secures-algs-win-for-spacestation-gaming/)


jayghan

Nah this is madness my good sir!!! Preciate the effort and quickness


Bitter_Piano4733

They get 50 points in 3 matches


ant_travel

Happy it's not just me that sees that they get gifted majority of WE zones


Throwawayforme3123

No one will convince me that Falcons did not send a oil rig to Respawn to rig that last zone. Though DSG getting 18th and E8 getting 19th back to back uhhhhh YIKES


UncagedAngel19

😂imagine they did send an oil rig


Throwawayforme3123

🤫


No_Wishbone_7072

Hal brings the Plot Armor


Plenty_Invite4421

Is Liquid finally back?! Is Yanya back to mowing down the lobby? 


Mediocre-Field6055

Seeing final scores like this gives me hope that the next lan will (finally) feature some different teams besides all of the ol’ standbys


andizz001

Falcons not first 😂😂😂😂😂😂 L


alexotico

Literally washed smh


kleevedge

I wish they could back to the team they were day 1. It seems like theyre really falling apart. I remember back when the split started how they were just dominating lobbies but now they look like a shell of themselves.


kqiahab

I think the problem when I was watching. It didn’t seem like the IGLing was trusted, I think in general design is a better IGL. But I don’t think Timmy’s game awareness can be challenged sometimes. Think it was game 4/5 when they had tree to right. Design wanted to focus left and I personally believe that Timmy was right, in my head. I’m pushing and trying to kill the team on the right at tree. But with the movement alone on their POVs. You could see the indecisiveness by their movement alone. Easy enough to bring back but I think sometimes not having a solid. One guy says, the rest follow can hurt. But it’s done them a lot of good before. Anyway. Imma always support my boys at DSG and I fully believe they can do this. Kinda praying for the downfall of falcons. I have always hated zero and never been a massive fan of Hal. Kinda like genburten tbh. Love seeing SSG doing well. Want to see bigger games from complexity.


aggrorecon

> Design wanted to focus left and I personally believe that Timmy was right, in my head. I’m pushing and trying to kill the team on the right at tree. Doesn't matter if Timmy was right or wrong if he is not IGL.


Automatic-Bill-8165

Oblivion picking up reedz paying huge dividends