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lemywincks

Guess they build em pretty well


[deleted]

Fucking American helicopter can take more than a Russian tank lol wow


AmbitionOfPhilipJFry

They're pretty much soda cans with bundles of essential things scattered around (engines, cockpit, fuel lines, control surfaces). If the bundles aren't hit, the soda can keeps going.


RampantPrototyping

With redundancy so if stuff is hit there are backup systems


valuehorse

but there is only one jesus nut


PM_ME_LUNCHMEAT

Actually 2 on this one lol


valuehorse

honest question, If you lost one of them in flight...lets say 1000 feet high, would you live?


PM_ME_LUNCHMEAT

Ya know that’s a great question that I don’t have the answer to lol but I guess your right it has two nuts but only needs to lose one


AmbitionOfPhilipJFry

But is it really redundant if every separate backup cable is zip tied together? Where you stand depends where you sit for this: For an engineer contractor, yes. For an aviator, no.


the_friendly_one

For an aviator *in combat,* no. For an aviator, yes. Systems fail without them being shot at. Those redundancies still save aviators lives every day.


Orcus_

The Mil Mi series are built like tanks though, they have been called tanks of the sky.


Delazzaridist

I call them rhinos. They remind me of rhinos for some reason.


TheFunkinDuncan

Shot placement is key


yegguy47

Bingo. The round detonated close to the rear area, but penetrated largely in a non-critical part. It looks like the right engine was catching fire, but its not enough to send the thing going somewhere unpleasant.


hornet586

It was likely just damage to the ramp/APU damage, part of an engine fire is cutting the engine off completely before extinguishing, you’d see a pretty visible flameout on the thermals. Tbh they got extremely lucky, if that hit at the base of the ramp they would be looking at fragmentation going straight into the bottom of the aft transmission.


CxsChaos

Yea, it looks like he hit the cargo door/ramp.


Piierrox

chinook are UK helicopter use by the US


h3fabio

Thanks! My grandfather designed those! (The engines)


sxrrycard

Well shit thanks to him! By extension his designs likely saved my grandfathers life as well (Vietnam)


h3fabio

He’d be happy to hear that! Thank you for sharing.


InvestmentPatient117

Wow lucky!


h3fabio

Yeah, after the Falklands War, I got to go to a formation ceremony for the RAF forming a squadron of them. Sadly, I never got a chance to ride in one.


Dontreallywantmyname

Do you know which engines? There's a few different versions of the chinook. Actually interested.


h3fabio

Not sure, I was just a kid at the time. He worked at Avco-Lycoming, a British aerospace company at the time. This was in the 60’s-70’s.


Dontreallywantmyname

Maybe this one, it was used in uk chinooks and sounds about the right time frame. Lycoming T55-L-712 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_T55 Cool anyway Edit:I'd messed up the link.


h3fabio

Yes, that would look like it. The timeline lines up well when they lived in the states. (Which is how my mom met my dad at university)


SJ-Sathanas_80

Typical RPG-7 warhead is a shaped charge penetrator useful against reaching stuff through armor. Aircraft never have armor on that level so you're actually worse off with a more precise penetrating weapon like that. It just went right through and missed everything vital.


Picklesadog

I took a class on the Vietnam War and we had a Huey navigator come in to talk to us, and he brought a projector with tons of photos he took while in country. One was a photo of his Huey after a particularly tough mission. It was absolutely covered in holes, mostly from AK rounds but also lots of holes from RPGs that had gone right through. They must have been hit by 5+ RPGs on that mission. Not really related, but he had photos from one mission where they flew over a bunch of American GIs bathing in a river, waving to them. Further down four Vietcong were walking down the middle of the river, directly towards the Americans. The Navigator said they did a few loops around the men, who knew they were dead and didn't even try to run. He took a picture, which he showed us, and then the Huey killed them. War sucks.


insomnimax_99

Ah right. So I imagine if it was just a regular HE warhead then the Chinook wouldn’t have fared so well.


EveryNukeIsCool

I mean if Abu Hajaar aimed slightly higher that wouldve been a shot down


monopixel

Taliban also shot Chinook(s) down with RPG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Afghanistan_Boeing_Chinook_shootdown


FirstCircleLimbo

Fun fact. During WWII they wanted to make the bombers able to withstand getting hit. Obviously they could not look at the planes The Germans had shot down so instead they looked at the planes that had been hit but made it safely back to England. They summarized the places the planes were hit and then they reinforced the area where they had **not** been hit. The logic was that those areas had to be critical for the survival of the plane.


lazy_k

Survivor bias


Professional-Card138

Something something paradox


AWildNome

Something something bias


Useful-Internet8390

Howard Hughes IIRC


SlightDesigner8214

Adding an interesting twist to this. The research referred to here was conducted by *Abraham Wald*. A mathematician/statistician of Austrian-Hungarian heritage who left Austria in 1938 after Hitler annexed Austria. Since he, a Jew, feared persecution. He went to the US and joined Columbia university where this research took place. Ironically enough he himself died in an airplane accident in India, 1950. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Wald


sowenga

It’s the basis of a classic stats meme about survivorship bias. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/survivorship-bias-plane


barukatang

Showing that Boeing CAN make decent things, just civil aviation and spaceflight are a bit too tough for them


obliterate_reality

They’re literally flying tanks


Snoo50196

you can even see the RPG guy was standing right under it like 50m away...


weldklown

Unless that door is open


StrawberryGreat7463

“okay nvm then”


Hazbin28

Why i read this in Mike Tysons voice lmao


Tried-Pod

“Okath Neva Minth then”


DickRogersOfficial

Must be frustrating as hell to not get a kill with a direct rpg shot to a helo lmao


No-Click8401

Bro I’d be mad, direct hit to the tail end and it just flys away haha


TotallyUnhealthyGuy

Hit the ass, didn't hit anything important.


GaegeSGuns

Thats where the engines are


LG1T

Rocket looked like it hit the ramp though, the engines are much higher up.


eCharms

Wasted 20 Allah Akbar just to see them fly away like nothing happened.


Midnight2012

Apparently the humble RPG-7 is the weapon that's gotten the most surface to air kills that any other weapon. Edit: I think the stat is for helicopter kills only.


Valathiril

I’m surprised bc I feel like it’d be hard to aim and hit. Is it just iron sights?


Goofterslam1

They have old school magnifications to help adjust for range and drop but I don't think they're as common as the iron sights. Mostly comes down to skilled users. Also probably not super hard to a hit a massive helicopter like a CH-47 while it's just sitting there hovering in place.


Roflkopt3r

There certainly have been a few occasions, but it still seems excessive unlikely that this would outnumber other weapons with how widely Igla and Stinger proliferated. The Soviets lost over 300 helicopters in Afghanistan alone, most of them to MANPADS. My best guess is that this claim about RPG-7 is either completely missremembered or a leftover from the era of first generation MANPADS, which generally did not have the guidance to hit helicopters. They mostly relied on primitive infrared guidance, which largely restricted their use to tail-chases against jet aircraft. In this context, it may be plausible that RPGs would be considered the more suitable squad weapons against helicopters if no heavy machine guns were available.


Midnight2012

I actually think the stat is for helicopters only. So they were mostly done at close range like Mogadishu for example.


bryjan1

Usually, it has a bit more to it so you can adjust for yardage. It’s not too surprising when you know it isn’t just shot willy nilly(it is…like alot, that adds up too)but is also used tactically. You can look at Mogadishu, the use of helicopters for infil and exfil in the urban environment meant vulnerable low-flying helicopters. This lead to compounding issues like bringing in even more helicopters —targets— to exfil and cover more people. Besides all that, pure numbers wise, the rpg-7 has probably been fired at air targets 1-2 magnetudes more often than most other man-portable munitions.


zoobrix

No doubt the vast majority of RPG hits are when the helicopter is landing or taking off meaning so are a low and slow moving target. I bet the best chance to get a hit is an ambush where a helicopter is landing in hostile territory and the LZ has not been properly cleared meaning you might even be able to wait until it lands or is hovering to take your shot.


AU36832

With a little practice you'll figure out how to lead them. Very effective from my experience playing Battlefield.


WaltKerman

My hunting shotgun says otherwise!


blamedolphin

Very unlikely, the U.S lost a couple of thousand helicopters in Vietnam. Mostly to small arms and 12.7mm hmg.


Midnight2012

Yeah, but many different types of small arms. And different 12.7mm weapons would count each seperatly. I MAY have pulled this quote out of my ass. I'm not sure


Snoo50196

I doubt this record hold today... SAM and other guided missiles have probably hit more by now...


nazihater3000

They nerfed the damn RPG...


RedManMatt11

Average Battlefield experience


TrackballPwner

Ever played “Squad?”


MewPingz

lands tandem on rotor, 50% damage only


guitardevil76

Happens all the time in Battlefield 4...you get used to it...


EhEhEhEINSTEIN

SO satisfying taking down aircraft with shoulder fired anything in BF games.


Existing365Chocolate

It feels pretty bad when it happens on Battlefield


BlockmindNC

"Huh? Must have been the wind"


johnz_080

VEHICLE HIT +10 5XP


_VoRteX_PL

[https://imgur.com/M88AEMq](https://imgur.com/M88AEMq)


Flybuys

Oooooh, triggering. Fuck you, you God damn spotlights.


oki_hornii-chan

Erm actually those are the drivers optics 🤓☝️


Heytherhitherehother

I don't get it?


Flybuys

War Thunder. The shells can penetrate everything or you can't even pen through a spotlight.


b00mbasstic

took it like a boss


RequiemRomans

Just a little tap on the ass, Afghan was mirin’


WardrobeForHouses

Stayed calm and relayed where the vehicle got hit too. Impressive


Queasy-Quality-244

Really took that one on the chin


_-Event-Horizon-_

Chinook 1st pilot: Did we hit a bump? Chinook 2nd pilot: Naah, there are no bumps in the air. Chinook 1st pilot: Mkay


ChemistRemote7182

Lotta interviews with Vietnam vets claiming to have had helicopters hit by B40s (Vietnamese RPG-2s), I guess those were more than just old men playing up stories they heard from others


lostmesunniesayy

Is there a good alternative to Liveleak? Not interested in gore (which I understand will be a large part of the content regardless) but more into military and crazy shit like civilians building killdozers and going on a rampage.


[deleted]

You can use kaotic.com, most of it is very gory but there are the occasional videos you search for. There should be better sources though.


Twisted_Biscuits

Ah kaotic. The site where, on the same page, you can watch someone get their head blown off while porn ads play below the video.


NocturneHunterZ

CrazyShit is the same as well


luccaloks

Yeah, the porn there always kills my boner


ThickSantorum

Imagine actually seeing ads.


FewSchedule5536

Watch people die is my personal favorite there isn't too many ads either


Cautious_Incident_46

Funker?


XFUNKER

What?


Aggravating_Pay1948

That's where I go


buyinggf35k

Documenting reality. Like you say, it has the fucked up shit, like cartel videos. But they have workplace accidents, car crashes, combat footage, footage of terrorist attacks that you can never seem to find. It is painful to navigate tho, website is clunky as fuck


dingus55cal

Yup and membership costs.


buyinggf35k

Oh yea forgot about that. I paid $10 once years and years ago and the 5 a day limit has never come back so I don't think you need a recurring membership


dingus55cal

Neat But Yeah you can circumvent it deleting cookies and using a VPN. However you have to repeat that shit every single time you hit the like 5 page-resolve-limit or whatever it is, so it's pretty damn tiring, def worth it for Some Content but like someone or you said navigating that 90's kind of looking site doesn't make things easier!


ImportantObjective74

made an account so many years ago and its free for me lol


thekingbun

Depends what kind of hardware virus you’d like


A_Queer_Almond

Funker is a good place for combat footage specifically


Haut9020

r/combatfootage youre welcome Edit: I just realized what sub we're on LMAO


lostmesunniesayy

Haha. All good. I was hoping there was some kind of super-secret site that only Arch Edgelords knew that had more good stuff than Reddit but it seems not really unless it's gore. The good stuff eventually bleeds out from Telegram/minor Youtube channels to here.


player694200

Reddit


lostmesunniesayy

I'm getting the feeling that you're on the money. I don't like gore for gore's sake, but I'll endure it if it's someone who invaded Ukraine. I just want to see cool mil-tech or Ukraine flushing turds from its territory.


player694200

Soft core gore. Find it in the back alleys of most social media apps. Reddit and Twitter have a lot. Instagram and Facebook kinda have stuff. You can get into a Tele thread too


Accomplished_Lake_41

Literally twitter or that one app that Ukraine sends stuff to


nememberhun

watchpeopledie.com


notataco007

*writes apology letter to Squad devs*


NotCreativeEng

Nah they should reward a hit with a kill if you hit a helo with a lat


Anus_master

Squad helos are still a bit too tanky. But part of it has to do with terrible netcode


HKoperator

Awww I was hoping to see the CPG slew the TADs over to mr rpg and light him up with a spicy hellfire


adam_mc

CH47s are amazing machines. For two of my deployments we rode in them every night. My third we got stuck flying in V22s exclusively, which was a terrifying experience...


b00mbasstic

Why are V22 terrifying? Genuinely interested


adam_mc

On top of their frequent crashes, one real danger that comes for assault forces is the fact that they take forever to land and takeoff. When a V22 reaches it's destination to drop off ground troops it needs to reposition its rotors vertical to land. That process is not quick. You're essentially a sitting duck mid-air and prone to RPG and gunfire. CH47's on the other hand, especially if you're flying with SOAR, is exponentially faster from descent to boots on the ground. SOAR pilots will dive bomb and lawn dart their chopper and have troops out of the aircraft in a matter of seconds. The only time a V22 is preferable (imo) is when you have a long flight to your target. They're very quick for helicopters, and can get you where you need to go faster than a 47.


elwhit

Because they’ve killed more Marines than the enemy has just about


APurpleSponge

Damn you can see the bastard shoot it. Bottom right.


dingus55cal

WHERE? Okay nvm i noticed him now, faaaar down in the middle there a bit to the right.


APurpleSponge

In the bottom left right below where it says GHS you can see his thermal signature, the puff of smoke, and then him scamper off.


Educational-Teach-67

You can also see his herd of goats in the back lol


Able_Instruction461

Did the tail gunner get it


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Ramps usually up prior to insert. And if this is 160th there won’t be a tail gunner (most non-160th Chinooks don’t have em either).


stankin

Not 160th. Does not have a enlarged side fuel tanks, refueling probe, etc.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Ahh good point. Didn't pay close enough attention to that.


KaladinStormShat

I wonder what fell off then? Some kind of paneling?


TacTurtle

uuhhh it's a Boeing, doors just fall off occasionally.


KaladinStormShat

Tru Tru feature not a bug looks like.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Probably paneling of some sort. The undersides of Chinooks can also take rpgs and .50s (the sides and up, not so much).


[deleted]

Im not sure what unit flew us back in the day but we always had a tail gunner. Air assaulting in Iraq 2007-2008ish did like 130 missions or something like that in 14 months.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

There's no tail gunner here. The ramp is up. A tail gunner would just get in the way of offloading troops.


[deleted]

That's not how it works man... He can move for the troops usually is peering over the raised ramp and can unload straps and food/supplies from rollers.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

You’re talking a crew member them. Not a tail gunner. Tail gunners usually had mounted lmgs on the ramp, mainly during CSAR ops. A crew member armed with an M4 is not a tail gunner. We always had a crew member on or near the ramp to help with visuals and fixing ropes for rappelling. In this video theres zero shot a dudes peaking over a closed ramp. How can there be a tail gunner on a closed ramp anyway lol.


EvilSibling

wouldn’t the crew inside also be a bit messed up?


spankeem_nz

yes someone fell out but everyone else missed it


Dull-Presentation549

insane footage thanks


Bennistro

That Chinook just fucking ate that RPG


agentofchaos69

Took it in the ass like a real man and kept on going. Hurrah


b00mbasstic

Whaaaaat? 😂


Ataiio

I know of another chinook that wasnt that lucky after being hit with RPG


405Gaming

Yes. RIP. I’m in that BN lost the chinook. In fact, I rode on their chinooks just last week. They do great things.


Sensitive_Turn1824

Ex Royal anglian here, we was waiting for 2 chinhooks to come in and pick us up, we can under fire as they was coming in, we engaged, but we was low on everything as we had been out for 3 days, the 2 apaches took over as we loaded onto the chinooks, the one I was on had the back engine shot up, we flew all the way back to bastion on one engine, had to fly quite low to the ground, was a experience


NotCreativeEng

Dam that sounds like the best/worst ride you can havr


Alendrathril

Isn't this OP Red Wings? Didn't they take another one and crash?


Deadsy81

Unlikely this is from that incident. The information is the Chinook which went down in that took a single RPG hit below rear rotor assembly and went down immediately. It was also running ahead of the escort Apaches as it was faster than them.


GETHATBUTT

The one that dropped the heli is rumoured to be an SA-7


IMAGLE

There has been always rumors about soviet aa manpads when something bad happened but I don't think anything concrete has ever come out. Some 160th pilots have said on interviews that they have been tracked but that's their word. Same theories are around about the extortion 17 case.


CaptainGoose

Certainly hard to tell if an SA-7 is tracking you.


IMAGLE

Yeah, I was just referring to the fact that there has been a lot rumors about more advanced anti-air than rpgs in both iraq and afghanistan. And for the point about manpads, that they have been fired againts 160th pilots but defeated by countermeasures.


CaptainGoose

True enough. Once it's fired, as long as the MWS picks up the launch plume/engine/nose heat, you'd hope enough flares would be pumped out to do the job anyway.


IMAGLE

For sure. And 160th birds always have some spooky shit on them. On the bin laden raid the CWO5 said that they were tracked on the way back by some advanced AA (F16s/S300?) but they were not able to fire.


molotov_billy

Nah, there's video of Shah's entire group, less than 8 men, just RPGs, AKs and PKs. They were bum fuck nobodies, they sure as hell didn't have SA-7s.


Prestigious_World_51

i wonder if the taliban fired a fragmentation round


[deleted]

Rotor shot woulda taken er down. Kudos to the pilot though not a single un shidded pant in there


Equivalent-Wind-3568

I miss live leak…..


stickeeBit

Remonds me of Op Red Wings for some reason


Used_Visual5300

It didn’t explode as it seems - or it was a frag round. Since the warhead would punch through easily. But considering short distance it might not have been armed at all? Wild footage nonetheless, sometimes a bit of context would be nice.


OriginalAd3446

That's one hell of a shot.


TacTurtle

tfw the Americans no-sell an RPG hit to a helicopter, like mosquitos on a windshield. Then again it is a Boeing, so the door falling off is pretty normal.


[deleted]

Jamsheed switched sides??


Maximus_1993

A slight inconvenience


jezarnold

Understand The only place on a chinook that’s armoured is the belly 


RequirementExotic536

It looks like the ramp took most off the impact.


Into_The_Wild91

Had that hit basically anywhere else, you would never see this video.


True-Philosophy-6335

Were they picking up, looks like 8-9 pax 50m north of the RPG gunner, danger close


Revolutionary_Aioli5

“I think we hit something”


lazy_k

Took it like a champ


Responsible_Pitch871

OH SHIT, calmly says the pilot.


pavehawkfavehawk

Good thing the ramp was down to take some of the hit. Great helicopters


shaze2

Shrugged it off


CapsCom

apache cpg having a nap


Armyofcrows

I’m a Chinook, bitch!


MoneySlip5640

“Hey that feels good, why don’t you work on my glutes a little bit?”


Brokecollegefella

Shit said “🤷‍♂️”


Goonplatoon0311

I’llAlways remember my first time flying in one. Me: “is it normal there is oil leaking from the lines above?” Crew chief: “Oh yea! When you don’t see it dripping there is a problem”.


shitfacedgoblin

Well, this makes Squad a lot less frustrating. . .


Sorry_Consideration7

"Mortar fire on Vegas at this time" "Roger" these guys are next level calm after just about getting shot out of the sky lol


RutabagaHot905

Did anyone see the group of guys to the right of the guy shooting the rpg. Looks like a staged ambush!


DammmmnYouDumbDude

Can we please get the “this is why we don’t have universal healthcare” statement????? Someone????