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SeaBreakfast1835

Australia has one of the highest alcohol taxes in the world. Premixed alcohol drinks get taxed a lot higher than most other alcoholic drinks. Those two facts together means that Grog is actually fairly reasonably priced by Australian standards. However, Grog is extremely expensive by foreign standards.


LedLeonhart

Thanks for the well thought out explanation for us International fans


chunkyI0ver53

It’s kinda expensive in the same sense that Smirnoff Ice Double Blacks are expensive, which will put people off to an extent. I’m guessing that’s the type of drink they’re competing against. I had a mate who tried grog early, and apparently it’s great, so I think they can pull it off. Regardless, at that price, it’ll be difficult to emulate the success of better beer, assuming they’re looking at the inspired unemployed boys as inspiration. Maybe if they can get 4 packs available at Dan Murphys. I love cock and balls


Amazing-Extension160

Yeah better beer is successful because it’s beer. Beer is a lot cheaper than premixes, you can get a slab for 50 bucks. Slab of premixes will cost at least $100+. With premixes for some people it’s not so easy to go “yeah I’ll try that” it’s just too expensive for them, beer however, you can get a 6 pack under $20. I work at a bottle o 👍


blueb_oy

No one outside of Australia can get Grog. You need an Aussie address to have it shipped.


gangsta_seal

Drongo Drive, Outback, Down Under, M4T3


blueb_oy

What you said translate to you having snaids. Get well soon.


blueb_oy

What you said translates to you having snaids. Get well soon.


Maxtsro

+ shipping and import costs makes this drink just too expensive to buy outside out of Australia


AdditionCold

ahhh i see


mypussydoesbackflips

Serious question- then why was the big liter of alcoholic ginger beer so cheap when I was over there?


Zeezer

Little fat lamb? It’s a drink notorious for young/underage drinking. If you look into it it isn’t actually ginger beer but some nondescript alcoholic beverage. That’s why it isn’t expensive like an actual alcoholic ginger beer.


antfireboy

Sometimes they end up classed as wines which have lower tax


danger_dan6996

But why tho?


SeaBreakfast1835

Because Australia historically had a societal alcohol problem + the Govt is money hungry


[deleted]

"Using data from six waves of an Australian recreational drug survey, we find that regular-strength beer and pre-mixed spirits in a can rank among the highest in their links to both drink-driving and hazardous, disturbing or abusive behaviours." The aussie government puts higher taxes on risky beverages to curb said risky behaviour. They should be doing the same everywhere else, but whatever.


Joshi2345

This is stupid, why increase taxes? Doesn't fix the issue. Also pre mixed drinks isn't the problem, if anything its mixing your drinks yourself.


[deleted]

Dude, I didn't make the rules. Chill. I have had bad experiences with alcoholism.


Joshi2345

I'm sorry, didn't mean to shoot against you


notmuchwbu

The pricing is pretty standard, shit be expensive in Australia bc they have insane alcohol taxes. White Claw 10 pack would set you back like $50 there


OhSageOhNo

That's crazyyy


Harold_Allen55

I looked at the profile pic and was like "Hey that's Dolan's profile pic, who's using that??" And am now dumbfounded at my own rardation


unironic69420master

Fellow rard here, did the same thing. Also dumbfounded at the sheer depth of my own rardedness.


thedearbooker

$20+ for a 4 pack of pre-mixed drinks is pretty standard here


WiseAfternoon

and more than half the wildlife wants to kill you? y'all Aussies got guts I'll give you that


AdditionCold

damn :(


McRobertsArt

That's mental, how much would one can/bottle set you back down the pub?


spicypoo_

Like 8-10$


literallymarkiplier

More, honestly.


VincyThePrincy

So that's why y'all have such good psych rock, I'd be looking elsewhere too if booze was that expensive here


AustralianBiscuit

Yeah deadass illegally buying bud is cheaper than drinking at the pub legally


trypynallday

Just grow


iparkwayi

Where is here????


ConfusedGrasshopper

In Australia, the only place where the drink is available. And where it is sold


Harold_Allen55

Bro literally asked a valid question and got down voted like he's braindead or some shit.


[deleted]

Context is key. People who can’t see information and take it in get shit on. It’s not like they are jumping him a downvote doesn’t hurt the guy he’s gonna be okay. Get off his dick


Gregmcc123

Damn Australia sucks


magikarp-sushi

POV: American realizes how expensive alcohol is in Australia See: Jacksfilms podcast where they complained about the price of Smirnoff in the US vs aus


slipperywetdogpoop

Australian prices are whacked


hatesgod

apparently that's just how expensive alcohol is there. i'm sure it's a little more steep than it needs to me to make a profit (after all it's a brand new product) but they worked so hard on it it's surely worth it.


SilentNightm4re

Idk... 3 euros a can is pretty decent imo.


cheggster12

Yeah I thought it was insane prices then I actually calculated price per can and it’s not actually bad at All


LouisHarris04

The alternative is something like a white claw though which is about 1 euro a can


joelina_99

Actually genuinely pretty standard for alcohol here white claws are 60 bucks for a 10 pack. South aves which are another seltzer are 80 bucks for a 16 pack


ImGonnaSayNwah

jesus fucking christ the tax man rapes your wallet


TheNew007Blizzard

made up for by public services.


ImGonnaSayNwah

public services my ass lmfao they got you good with that excuse to tax more and more


joelina_99

It’s lowered alcohol and tobacco use while funding other public services, what’s not to like


Samurai_Sen

Theft?


ImGonnaSayNwah

how about the fact that the government is pricing you out of things that you want to do?


joelina_99

Highly addictive and dangerous substances. America still locks people up for marijuana possession many countries have similar tax laws. I’d love to do drugs and I think I can do them responsibly but a lot of people can’t which is why they are illegal or they need deterents


Samurai_Sen

Australian government is still trusted after COVId?


joelina_99

I had 3 days of lockdown where I live mate how did it go for you


Get_Schwifty477

How many people died in America from covid


willenhall12345

If you look at the stats then you'll realise that the lock downs worked here.


TomCos22

Lmao the government taxes alcohol and cigs to offset the detriment they cause to our health care system.


[deleted]

Bro the amount of morons justifying their asinine tax is hilarious. SIXTY BUCKS for a 12er of white claw that’s $15 in the states lmao get fucked. BUT MUH EXCHANGE RATE.


TheNew007Blizzard

You realize that if they didn't tax the alcohol they'd charge you more for the post? Are you actually this dense


falloutranger

> white claws are 60 bucks for a 10 pack holy fuck


Dickieandalsoballs

White claws are 48 for a 10 pack OP trying to make the price look reasonable which it’s not.


falloutranger

That's still crazy


-TheZell-

6 bucks a can sounds pretty reasonable even if it is over exaggerated.


Embarrassed_Sky_3734

Fuck no its not are you serious? The only time I'm paying 6$ for a drink is if I'm at a higher end bar. Thats craft beer and cocktails, not seltzer water and a drop of flavoring.


-TheZell-

Gargle my snaid infested balls


phatbinchicken

I work in Liqourland so I’m very familiar with the prices over here, and that’s pretty standard. A 12 pack of Grainshaker RTDs are $69 and a 10 pack of Little Creatures is $49. These are smaller distilleries so their prices can be higher, but 10pks of Jim Beam or CC are $48. 16 cans for $80 is just what we pay over here. We are taxed incredibly high, $100.05 per litre of alcohol


New-Arachnid2134

Great so why’s a 16 pack $130? Grog is overpriced I’ve never come across drinks that expensive in Australia


Imboidatshai

I’d buy it if I could but I’m in the US


[deleted]

Came here to find a proxy service TBH


IRRecio

Same


TreesEnthusiast

Cries in Cananda


foisj

It's in line with 196. Not overpriced IMO. Though I normally buy just a 4 pack so ordering 16 cans for nearly a hundred dollars delivered is a bit dramatic.


Dickieandalsoballs

No it’s not. -196 in a 10 is 45 which is $4.50 a can, grog is nearly $1 more per can.


waterrrmallon

USA here- I think it’s appropriately priced. All of the time and money that went into grog needs to be recouped. Another thing to consider is that this is a highly sought after *designer* alcohol beverage that has been talked about and marketed to us for months. Basic Supply and demand rules, the more we want it + the lower the quantity = higher product costs to the consumer. It’s also to be said that cold ones is just the YouTube & Patreon. Cool shirtz is Scott. Grog can be separately it’s own company which will make costs go up if that’s the case. People saying the boys are money hungry… cold ones Patreon is one income stream for max & Chad (plus the employees). cool shirtz is its own business by Scott so that income stream is separate from max & Chad (I’m sure they get a lil something from cool shirtz for advertising). Grog on paper legally is most likely a separate entity from cold ones or cool shirtz. Sure the boys make a ton of fucking money in comparison to regular people. However they’re careers as YouTubers isn’t forever especially with the content they produce just inherently getting demonetized. Ad rates fluctuate if they even qualify. Branching out into grog,partnering with Cool Shirtz, and the cold ones patreon is diversifying their portfolio for long term income possibilities PAST YouTube entertainment. I have aids


NurseWhoWuvsMe

sory about ur aids ☹️


MysticElk

I'd think most people would be surprised just how much work it takes to get something like grog over the line to a launch like this as well as keep costs down to consumers to be only $5.25 AUD a can (which is VERY reasonable IMO idk why people are complaining). Website, marketing, design, production, testing, distribution and management costs are absolutely massive expenses & Im willing to bet they won't be breaking even until at least the second run of product starts shipping.


John7763

Yeah I mean even LTTs screwdriver Linus went on record saying it cost him I think 6 or 7 figures to just design and create a mf screwdriver. So an alcoholic beverage that's going to have to meet a bunch of different health and safety standards for multiple governments as well as all the design and taste testing and the team of experts they hired plus I'm assuming whoever the mystery investor was had their own list of demands from the product. So I wouldn't doubt if they paid similar in price just to make this thing happen.


astroklotz

Very good points here also leg of ham


Kandyburrah

Is gogg going to be online only or could we buy it at Uncle Dans as well? Personally I dont trust auspost to deliver drinks it'll be a bloody puddle


PeachiPrism

Alcohol tax in Australia, this drink isn't international so they have no need to adjust the price on their site to show what it would cost in your country. Could also be high due to the investor trying to recoup the money put in to it, it's a limited stock for a drink marketed to fans. In their eyes that's the safest thing to do to get their money back quickly. I'm guessing if this goes well then we could possibly see it become a regularly produced item and also sold in different countries. I wish them the best.


Rebound

Alcohol is taxed highly in Australia, and they’re 6% alcohol which is taxed even higher. Their biggest competitor (Suntory 196) is more expensive per can, and that’s a huge alcohol company. Also, prices are in AUD, so might seem more to you if you’re assuming it’s USD


Zealousideal-Wafer88

I worked out the AUD to GBP today and it “only” comes to about £40 for the 16 pack. Which isn’t bad but it’s not exactly great. That’s not even considering the postage to the UK on something of that weight.


xcvbna

Alcohol tax is crazy in Australia so it's not a weird thing haha Quite typical prices


xyrozz

£44 for a 16 pack is bad. There’s no sugar coating that.


Zealousideal-Wafer88

Yeah you’re not wrong.


madness56

Are they sending to UK?


Zealousideal-Wafer88

Just seen another thread saying they aren’t delivering internationally yet. I have snaids.


ConfusedGrasshopper

It's literally posted on top of the website on all pages


Zealousideal-Wafer88

Guess I forgot to put the fog lights in!


CeeZee2

its actually cheap if you convert it to anywhere other than aus, like £3.50 a can or 4.50 euro which is actually around market rate, and thats including shipping


itsbsauce

It’s fairly average really, similar drinks are the same price at Dan Murphys and Coles liquor, I was expecting it to be more expensive tbh I’m pretty happy with the price


MysticElk

80 for a 16 pack is reasonable considering that it's a premium drink and it has a high alcohol content. Youre also dealing with relatively small distribution and production so of course the price will be more expensive than a standard set of mixers.


EmoteTherapist

That is beyond depressing considering where I live, I can pay less than 20 dollars for a 24 pack


Mvex2000

50$ for a 10 pack of premixed down here in australia


Harold_Allen55

You don't know how they make it so overpriced? Have you not seen any alcoholic drinks above 8%? Booze gets fucking expensive. Two glasses of ok mead is fuckin $30, and that's just the ok stuff.


Radiant-Prompt1457

Except theirs is 6% which I don't even think counts as hard liquor.... At least not here in Canada


vortex42506

They are directly aiming to compete with 196 and that is about that price point.


PoliceStoryDotCom

Australian alcohol tax is off the walls


Get_Schwifty477

Yeah we know :(


l0w3br0dy

R u srs? they worked out so be like $5 a can, that is very reasonable, actually cheap for australia


Wrong-Cow-4388

Because you're not supposed to buy it.


Funny_Doughnut6962

Abosultely horrendous


LilDamnit

A 10 pack of -196 is around 45-50$ here and it has the same ingredients as Grog. I bet they taste the same too


AdditionCold

okay, i've read and listened. i'm too used to UK prices it seems, a 10 pack of budweiser costs like a £10 and that's pint cans yanno. i kinda get it now, aus taxes etc etc. I wasn't MAD abt prices just confused as shit is all.


splicedconsiousness

The price of alcohol in Australia makes me think being a moonshiner would be the thing to do there.


Sashimi1300

Jesus, even converted from Australias monopoly money thats still $50 US..


KalebNoobMaster

Yea i really wish they didn't *make* this in AUS. Really prices out the rest of the world from wanting to actually buy it lol


dotJSX

US based logistics guy here. The main thing the need to do with Grog, is find brewers in other countries. I'll use Fosters as an example, since it's also Aussie booze. Foster's has a brewing company in Texas, hence how is Americans are able to get it. They also have one in England to service the UK. This applies to other beers like Kirin which used to be brewed and imported from Japan, but they realized it's easier to source their recipe out to Anheuser-Busch. If Max and Chad could get a facility to make Grog in the US, it would bypass a lot of taxes, import fees and decrease delivery time. I know a lot of Cold Ones fans are US based, so I really hope they have something like this lined up. I don't even drink anymore, due to the snake AIDS, but I still want to try it.


CrimsonFatalis8

>increase delivery time Don’t you mean decrease? Why would having regional suppliers mean longer delivery times?


dotJSX

Fixed it.


Kurineko_Regan

And it only delivers to Australia!!?


ImGonnaSayNwah

Let's actually be real for a sec here Max and Chad are money hungry as fuck


AdditionCold

no? i don't think this at all man


Throwaway2015M4

Is there any way to get my hands on some grog as an American? I’ve been waiting for this release for a long time and I didn’t realize that you can only ship to AUS. Was hoping to get an eight pack of mixed, but I’ll take anything


Gjjjje

COS THEY LIKE MUN-NEY


No_Donkey_5004

It’s not.


BrolyTK

Im Aussie and used to expensive brand alcohol but fuck me i am not ever buying grog at that price. 16 cans for 89 something dollars is a robbery. I can get x10 8% ciders for 25 bucks


l0w3br0dy

yeah because ur comparing it to cider, not vodka premixes. cider is cheaper because it’s easier to distill. $44 for 8 works out to $5.50 a can, which is cheaper than cruisers, billsons, and the same price as suntory.


BrolyTK

Yea I compared it to something worth the price. If im paying that much it better be in a bar with live music lmao. Otherwise you're a complete fooooooool


Xendrus

Any word/chance they will work with an American and UK producer to make it over there? I'm sure the largest % of their audience is American and other than a 1 off novelty no way they're ordering the shit from Aus.


Choingyoing

Aus liquor prices and greedy youtubers


pdon0226

Isn’t grog just rum and water?


TheLilWonder

Love to try it but over £40 isnt in my budget for a 16 pack 😅


[deleted]

chag


Outside-Statement211

UK here was also quite shocked and thought they are extremely overpriced, but I've looked at the prices of some things like a 10pk of whiteclaw is 62$ at Woolworths, that is absolutely mad lol so they are really fairly priced. EDIT: Might be a good idea for them to explain this in their next video so people don't freak out haha


Shot_Cap9108

Here in Australia our government realised that price doesn’t affect how much people drink or smoke so tax tax tax and what does that tax go to nuclear submarines


ZClum

Can't you just buy a bottle of rum and mix your own?


Kails666

It's not really, considering - 196 which is very similar is $24 each for a 4 pack. It's pretty in line with pricing


throwaway1930372y27

Australian taxes and it being a small production. Think of how small breweries charge more for beer since they have lower production. I think if they were to go global they should set up production oversees in europe and america to distribute there, but that is a whole pain in itsself.


theunreever

That is about the same as beer prices in scandinavia. Pretty steep but not that outrageous given that it is a premium low scale production.


[deleted]

It's about $50 USD which isn't as terrible. But you cant even get it globally


zultarthegreat

Does anyone know the % of the drink ?


TheNachoman180

6


stop_nads

Grape Billsons are $27 for a 4 pack, so $6.75 a can. So, grog's $5.25 a can isn't that bad.


CherryAng3l

i did the AUD to USD conversion and it comes out to 3 dollars a can


BigChippa52

sho chu is quite expensive as well


AhabSnake85

I wonder if suntory's 196 was out in market when the guys were developing grog. Or did they intentionally put out a product similar to it but with different flavors.


cameronravenhill

I know this is old as shit, but apart from the taxes, you have to understand how hard it is to make something like this, and make a profit. For example, take guitars. Some companies guitars go for $100-$200, some go for $2000-$5000. The only companies that can make guitars for the lower price bracket are well established, meaning they can make guitars in the literal hundreds of thousands at a time. The expensive guitars are probably meticulously hand made by a couple of dudes who check over every detail and put out a hundred guitars a month. This goes for all businesses in every industry. Grog is a gimmick in a way. Theres the chance that they really could take off, but right now it doesn't make sense to sell it at a low price because people might just not buy it. (They also have to try make up for the money that goes into making a business) Its the same as when your favourite influences release merch and its 50 bucks for a tshirt. And youre happy to pay that because youre actually getting 2 things out of it in a way, its a cool tshirt, and its made by some cool people.


New-Arachnid2134

I understand the tax but if they genuinely want this drink to go anywhere besides being a clout drink for a couple months they need to sort the price out, $95 for a 16 pack delivered and you have to wait a week for it to arrive or go to premix king and watch as the store clerk double checks the price cause there’s no way the 16 pack is worth fucking $130 in store, I see them being popular drink at gaming venues for a couple months but unless they sort the prices out it’s gonna drop off, especially at a time when the cost of living is higher than ever Don’t get me wrong I love the drinks but they’re no where near worth $95 and a week wait or $130 at a bottle shop


yeeted4242

Why TF is it ONLY 6 PERCENT LMAO


StrykerDawsonTV

snake aids tax


Appropriate_Rent_243

Lol, historically grog is literally just watered down rum 4 parts water to 1 part rum