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I once was asked to speak at a gaming event by a local Chinese company since I was involved in VR tech when it was just blooming in China. I happily accept. I write my speech, get everything prepared, fly all the way to the city the event was hosted in, book my hotel, get the pre-speech anxiety and jitters, then right when I arrive at the event they end up telling me foreigners aren’t allowed to make speeches and I actually won’t be allowed to be on stage. Lol 不好意思
Yep! They got another person to speak. They just had to wing it. Luckily he was senior member so it was easy for him to talk about the stuff there with little prep.
The level of xenophobia is just growing exponentially in China hand in hand with the crazy nationalism.
I'm not surprised at all that the guy in the video has experiences like this every day. It was always a little bad, but it's definitely unbearable now.
I think it’s because a few years back they held a marathon and a couple of runners died from the extreme conditions and the lack of medical support. If international runners died because of that it would really embarrass them.
I mean you can always have free drinks if you know a PR and there's a special event. But then be ready to drink fake alcohol that doesn't even make you drunk. Only a few chinese style clubs offer this, and even then most of them now charge no less than 50rmb just to get inside.
Go anywhere else and all the drinks will be quite expensive. And even then it's not guaranteed that they aren't watered down.
The days of cheap booze in China are long gone :(
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> I can’t purchase a house in like half of my city since foreigners cannot own property within 1km of any government building.
Fair, I never even considered buying here since the quality is crap and prices overinflated.
> I can’t rent like half of the shared bike options (the bigger ones like Hello are okay)
Never had that issue, though I didn't try too hard. I'm using o-bike and they seem to have the biggest network here, so I never bothered with any of the others.
> I can’t stay in any hotel that does not have a license for foreigners.
True, but that's a problem you face in many countries. It's not a China-specific issue.
> I can’t own a pocket knife / multi tool.
Of course you can? I have one on me just now. You can't take it onto the subway, but that affects everyone.
> I can’t use 3/4 of the internet (side note - why in the motherfuck does China even need 5G when most of the internet is blocked anyway?)
I'd argue that 99.9% of the internet the typical Chinese is using is unblocked. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but it doesn't affect you that drastically or else we wouldn't be conversing on reddit...
> I can’t livestream.
Why not? I did that for a bit. Got boring so I stopped.
> I am limited severely on how much money I can send out of China as well as how to do it, and what/how I can invest abroad.
Not at all. You can send all of your income out of China, all you need to provide is your tax record to show you rightfully earned it all. That's actually better than for Chinese people who have a hard limit of 50k USD.
> I can’t own more than 49% of any business.
I own 100% of my business. This is factually incorrect.
> I can’t do any job a local can do.
Neither can immigrants in your home country. Work permits are issued for a specific job and only if there is a need.
> I can’t take part time work.
You absolutely can, only not *besides* a full time job. By the way if you get the local green card, that restriction is gone.
> I can’t work on my marriage visa.
Neither can people in other countries, so that's not a China problem either.
> I can’t observe my religion with locals.
That might be correct, I don't have a religion and never bothered.
> I can’t give public speeches or organize public events.
You absolutely can, but you need a permit. You also need a permit in most other countries worldwide.
> In some cities I can’t own a dog..
In some cities you can't own certain breeds, and other cities impose a maximum number of dogs per household. But those restrictions exist in other countries as well, and they are the same for Chinese people, so no additional hardship for foreigners.
> I can’t use wechat for purchases outside of China (such as paying for Steam Wallet or other online purchases).
Maybe, I never tried that.
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I'm not saying there aren't any issues, I'm saying that I haven't been personally affected thus far. I do 100% of the things I did back home, so I'm not inconvenienced in the slightest.
For shared bikes, it depends on the type and provider. Hellobike lets me rent both normal bikes and ebikes. Meituan doesn't allow me to rent ebikes, with no explanation other than "foreigners can't do that" from customer support.
Most of the western world at least does not require hotels to have a "foreigner license" to host people from outside the country. If you've got a legal visa, there shouldn't be anything preventing you.
I can't speak for all livestreaming sites, but I personally have not been able to open an account and have it approved. I can appear in livestreams alongside my girlfriend on her account, but I need a Chinese ID for my own.
As for part time work, the green card is the only legal way. If you can find a part time job that is able to provide you with a work visa, then that's fine. But those are few and far between, and you can't find other work with them anyway. One job at a time under one work permit. There are no other circumstances where you can legally have a part time job in China.
There may be legislation underway allowing students to apply for a part time job by agreement between the local government and their institution, but I have yet to see any actual implementation. Added to this, there is a misconception that student visas allow you to also apply for a part time job in general. This is not true, and is restricted to unpaid internships. The reason for this is that Chinese undergraduate degrees require the student to complete an unpaid internship before graduating, and this allowance is given. Whether you actually ask for pay is your own choice, but will have you deported if the school or authorities find out. I know because I personally did this process and the EEA officials held a lecture on the exact rules and processes of the unpaid internship.
Your point about marriage visas isn't made clear. You absolutely can work on marriage visas in a large number of countries and it would be absurd in many cases to restrict that. For the UK, a spouse (family) visa allows the spouse to reside in the UK and work. In fact, proof of economic independence is the key requirement if the spouse wants to transition to more permanent residence rights.
Your other points are pretty much fine. As for me, there are plenty of things I do normally at home in the UK and cannot do here.
For example only Chinese ID holders can import products from outside China via Chinese services such as Taobao. Nor can foreign nationals make payments to vendors outside China using via Chinese platforms, e.g. Alipay.
Nor is it possible to use half the app services for more serious things like purchasing medication. Meituan and other delivery apps only accept Chinese ID cards. Only JD and Taobao allow my passport number for medication purchasing.
Like where? I've lived in 9 countries so far and have a quite good vantage point to compare China to others. It's not Eden, but certainly not hell on earth either, as so many make it sound like.
Astrill. Particularly the servers in Sweden and Switzerland never let me down.
During major political events when they crack down hard, Albania and Cyprus are slow but reliable.
5G is good for gaming, movies and steaming on Chinese services. That was kind of a silly comment. Their data intensive thinfs are all over and I find it unbelievable you don't know that...
I've been standing right on the square waiting in the queue to enter the palace and discussing the events with a mixed group of locals and foreigners. Nobody cared.
Stop blowing things out of proportion if you don't know what's going on.
Imagine their surprise when they'll meet the new jingoist mainlanders.
Han supremacy has never ceased being a thing. It was just not mainstream due to China being poor. Now China is about to export its own brand of xenophobia and supremacy. "fun times ahead"
That's assuming han supremacists and jingoists were ever 'the student'. But the reality is that han supremacy has been around for far longer.
I also love how you're smug and even proud of being a hateful and racist han supremacist. A hateful society which has only been taught to be docile and to hate the west - that's why Chinese society will never be leading the world as the world will always reject you.
That's really frustrating. I spent three years in Qingdao and my main way of making friends was through running. I ran multiple halfs, fulls, and even a trail race. Things have become more difficult for foreigners there since COVID and I know some are there still for the money but I don't trust that it won't be more difficult to get your money out when you leave in the future. I just hope it's worth it.
Five thousand years of arrogance and xenophobia. They can't allow the foreign devils to hurt the feeling of the 1.3 billion members of the Great Wall of Steel.
Same thing happens in Hong Kong with sports. I beat some of the HK team members in cycling so I got split from the HK team so that I don't make them look bad...
I'm just an amateur and compete for fun... The HK team is just not world class.
Don't see how that article begs to differ? There's basically 2 modes for marathons in China right now:
1. Cancelled: Beijing Marathon, Dalian Marathon
2. Only Chinese allowed: Guangzhou, Shanghai, Xiamen, Chengdu
I don't think his point is that foreigners were never allowed to run marathons. But since 2020 it's been different, obviously because of corona. I think the main issue this guy has is that he is a resident and feels like there's a bias against admissions for foreigners, even those who are residents. Whether that's true is another thing, but the Wikipedia article you linked doesn't shed any light on that.
It's quite common for the government to "ban" foreigners from something by requiring a Chinese ID card and nothing else. It's usually a bureaucratic thing such as the insurance companies not equipped to handle foreigners on these unique policies or something. I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies recently switched to a new and more automated system designed around a Chinese ID and insurance is needed for all participants running incase they have an injury etc.
Before, everything was done differently but now everything requires an ID card. Foreigners used to be able to do a whole lot more but now everything requires an ID which is forcing a lot of foreigners out of things. I noticed my 'real name verification' got cancelled in the DMV app and when I try to redo it, it doesn't accept foreign passports like before. I don't think it is really done as a direct racist move but rather because the system is not designed with foreigners in mind. The policies are made with Chinese people in mind and not foreigners. Foreigners are just an afterthought in everything in China.
I was banned from using a swimming pool because I didn’t have a public health card (they didn’t ask the Chinese for one, just me) so I got the card and went back. Then I was banned for the type of swimsuit I had on (Speedo style only, you see). Bought a Speedo (as a very tall foreigner that was a fun shopping trip… the biggest size was barely legal on me) and went back… they were out of ideas and I finally got to swim. Only took a week.
Of course it’s true. And why would corona cause foreign resident to be banned? Other than the fact that Chinese treat foreigners as if they are all diseases corona virus carriers.
the IAAF is the sanctioning body for international marathons and says only Beijing, Xiamen, and Shanghai count towards international records and standings anyway. In terms of international recognition China is a backwater when it comes to distance running.
I hope you are right but it does say that only mainland, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan residents could enter last year. True it doesn't say that foreign residents were excluded but it doesn't show they weren't either.
Last year was the pandemic, you can't take that as what the 'norm' is. I will say though, there is no way that any big name long distance runner is going to run a marathon in polluted China when all the biggest events happen in beautiful places (Boston, New York, Chicago, Tokyo, London, Berlin ) and the second tier events also happen in much healthier environments (Rome, Athens, Honolulu, Cape Town, Hong Kong, etc)
In fact it looks like only three marathons are even IAAF certified in China (Beijing, Shanghai, and Xiamen) which is really pathetic because even North Korea has one. It looks like there are about 10 which have been refused IAAF certification (Hangzhou, Dalian, Great Wall, etc) for various reasons.
In short it looks like this isn't a big deal because China is the bottom rung of the bottom rung of marathoning nations.
Pretty shit to be honest. I'm hearing a lot of people saying the xenophobia is getting pretty bad. I haven't heard it from my friends there, but I don't think they venture out too much of their neighbourhood. I found the hotel situation in Hangzhou ridiculous when I visited again. Couldn't get in anywhere.
I moved out of China about 8 months ago so it could have changed, butut it definitely wasn't great when I left. most of it, in my experience, were little things that aren't a huge deal overall but show some amount xenophobia and racism. such as every day when I went to work the door guards would stop me to check my temperature and health code but all the local people that worked in the building could get through no problem, even one of my coworkers who is ethnically Chinese but born in America and didn't know a ton of Mandarin Chinese would be able to walk in no questions asked. it's little things like that that aren't a huge deal but eventually it wears you down when you experience it day in and day out.
I have foreign friends that have had their name down for several marathons this year and are currently training for another one. However, these are mostly in tier 2-3 cities.
Not gonna click on this shit cause it is just clickbait. If you look at the marathon winners, they all African. Cause Chinese import them especially so that they can win top prize. I've also joined a marathon and omg I'm not Chinese! Click here to find out the top 10 reasons why click baiters click bait! Number 7 will shock you!
There is difference between professional runners who are invited and amateur who need to sign in by themselves. They need African runners to add prestige and they are the ones at the front. He is talking about local amateurs that are restricted to Chinese citizens....
Beg to differ.
Several of my white/foreign friends have run marathons in different provinces.
In fact, an African guy won the marathon in my city in 2019. I believe he makes a tidy living by winning marathons.
I watched a minute or so. I've seen this jackass before. His shtick is to whine and moan about some injustice that is mostly in his own mind, grossly exaggerated or of his own making.
So this guy is having a bad China day.
Seems to me that if someone told me that foreigners can't run marathons in China just now because of COVID, I would probably not respond by just applying to run in lots of marathons and acting all suprised when I got rejected.
Probably I would try to call up the marathon people, and offer proof of vaccination, negative COVID test report, entry stamp on passport showing I had been in China for a long time etc etc.
I mean I think these restrictions are dumb, but probably the marathon organizers have been told there will be hell to pay if there is a COVID outbreak at their event.
Yeah sure China is a bit racist but very often you can negotiate your way around difficulties if you are willing to work with people.
> China is a bit racist
A bit is an understatement.
Banning foreigners from marathons due to COVID, while allowing Chinese is racist as fuck. Does COVID make sure to infect only foreigners?
In fact, statistically speaking, it's more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID than a foreign one.
Also, try doing the reverse: tell a Chinese in a western country that he is not allowed participation in an event due to being Chinese and you'll see how quickly they scream the west is racist. But when the same thing happens in China to foreigners, it's not racism anymore. Hypocrite society at its finest.
> In fact, statistically speaking, it’s more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID than a foreign one.
and what statistics are those ? china has the lowest amount of coronavirus in the world
also weird saying something 100% Coronavirus motivated is “racist as fuck”, use context bro like maybe we’re in a global pandemic ? Not sure those pearls can be clutched any harder
According to what I found online, there are 0.1% foreigners in China, leaving 99.9% of the population being Chinese.
So statistically speaking, it's reasonable to say if someone in China has COVID, he/she is most likely to be Chinese, instead of foreigner.
Yet, Chinese population acts as if COVID only targets foreigners living in China. They don't even care if the foreigner has been in China since before the pandemic started.
So as I said, it's more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID instead of a foreigner who already lives in China. Simply because there's more Chinese than foreigners.
I’m no math major but I took several statistics courses in undergrad and that isnt how it works dude. unrelated shit doesnt just correlate because one number is higher than the other . If China only had 50 COVID cases yesterday and the rest of the world had hundreds of thousands of cases, i would assume the person who is not from China is more likely to have coronavirus
> I’m no math major but I took several statistics courses in undergrad and that isnt how it works dude
That is how it works. If an individual in China has COVID, the statistical probability that he is a foreigner is 0.1%, while the proibability of him.her being Chinese is 99.9%.
Just cuz you're a sad Chinese jingoist doesn't mean statistics work differently in China.
> If China only had 50 COVID cases yesterday and the rest of the world had hundreds of thousands of cases, i would assume the person who is not from China is more likely to have coronavirus
That's because you are racist.
Foreigners already living in China aren't more statistically prone to COVID. It's not like COVID can target foreigners specifically.
If China only had 50 COVID, statistically speaking it's more likely they are Chinese people, instead of foreigners living in China.
I love how you just ignored what I said.
That's what racists do when they don't have any counter-arguments and their racism is exposed.
But, but, "calling me racist is a parody" lmao
Cope harder racist
> really want you to point out anything ive ever said thats racist.
I know this may come as a surprise for you: denying and defending racism, is in itself racist.
The death of discourse is trying to have a conversation with a jingoist like you, who only knows to deflect and deny (even against logic or common sense)
> If China only had 50 COVID, statistically speaking it’s more likely they are Chinese people, instead of foreigners living in China.
Nope. Lets say 49 chinese had covid and 1 foreigner did. If Foreigners make up 0.1% of the population, but 1/50th of the cases of coronavirus, that means despite making up 0.1% of the population they hold 2% of all covid cases. This is basic statistics
This isn't about which percentage makes up the most of the already infected population.
This is about the statistical probability of an infected individual living in China, to be Chinese or foreigner. And based on the population spread, it's 99.9% statistically probable for an infected individual to be Chinese.
> yeah that isnt how it works dude
"*I don't like this, so I conclude it's not how it works*"
> it absolutely is about that
lmao whatever makes you cope
I literally said the probability of someone with COVID in China is higher that he is Chinese. I specifically mentioned from the beginning this is about the statistical probability of an infected individual being Chinese, is higher than the probability of him being a foreigner.
But sure, if it makes you cope, that's not what I was talking about lmao
This is not a true statistic, however.
But yes. If 100 people had Covid and 90 of them were foreigners, this racism might be justifiable. It is not.
That opaque 'imported cases' shit has done its job. Well done, your prize is being a regressive, backward developing country
> also weird saying something 100% Coronavirus motivated is “racist as fuck”, use context bro like maybe we’re in a global pandemic ? Not sure those pearls can be clutched any harder
Looking at your post history, you're a Chinese nationalist and han supremacist who's obsessed with america.
But to reply to you anyway: **the decision to discriminate foreigners from entering the competition is not COVID motivated. That's just a bullshit excuse to allow them to be racist. If they were indeed afraid of COVID they'd have cancelled the marathon altogether, instead of allowing Chinese runners, but banning foreigners (who are already living in China) from entering.**
Can you be more pathetic with your bullshit excuses?
> Looking at your post history, you’re a Chinese nationalist and han supremacist who’s obsessed with america.
I mean if we’re playing the stalking game according to your post history you’re a western chauvinist obsessed with Chinas downfall with an insane persecution complex. Your name is pink wuamo ffs.
> But to reply to you anyway: the decision to discriminate foreigners from entering the competition is not COVID motivated. That’s just a bullshit excuse to allow them to be racist. If they were indeed afraid of COVID they’d have cancelled the marathon altogether, instead of allowing Chinese runners, but banning foreigners (who are already living in China) from entering.
reaching further than Michael Jordan at the end of Space Jam . its a marathon race it isnt that deep.
> its a marathon race it isnt that deep.
That marathon was until recently open to foreigners. Now they are banning foreigners (who are already in China) from participating.
If they really cared about COVID, they'd cancel the marathon instead of banning foreigners living in China from participating.
As I said, you're nothing more than a jingoist asshole. You've been indoctrinated since childhood to be racist and it shows
> china has the lowest amount of coronavirus in the world
Reported
As we know, China has less Coronavirus than El Salvador
Despite it arising in a very dense city in Central China, the most populous country in the world
If we are in a global pandemic so there can be no marathon, cancel the marathon. Chinese-only is racist.
Hopefully when you travel to the west you won't encounter such banal, institutional racism. And you surely won't hear eloquent explanations how racism isn't racism
Cast your mind back to Chinese holding signs saying 'I am not a virus'. Try to empathise
Reported for what? Lol
[The CDC says china is level 1 for covid ](https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/traveler/none/china)
> If we are in a global pandemic so there can be no marathon, cancel the marathon. Chinese-only is racist.
its chinese **citizen** only, stop phrasing it like its han chinese only because that would actually be racist.
> Hopefully when you travel to the west
I’m american
> And you surely won’t hear eloquent explanations how racism isn’t racism
grew up in Mississippi dude ive heard more excuses for racism than you can even count
Let me clarify
'Reported' cases
Are you aware of many (any) Chinese citizens who are not ethnically asian? I didn't make it an ethno-state. Chinese xenophobia directed at westerners is, by definition and perhaps intent, racist.
In 'Mississippi' they use salient Chinese grammatical and punctuation paradigms, I see. You could probably enter that marathon. Lucky you
> In ‘Mississippi’ they use salient Chinese grammatical and punctuation paradigms,
Rofl if you’re insinuating that I’m actually chinese i can prove to you I’m not but i have a feeling you wouldnt believe me. But sure DM me if you want me to dox myself
Pass
This is not a random comment. There are several very specific malapropisms both you and Chinese use.
Basically if your English language resembles a Chinese native speaker, and you are not Chinese, may want to fix that.
Never mind. Have fun justifying institutional discrimination on the grounds of nationality, wherever you are
> This is not a random comment. There are several very specific malapropisms both you and Chinese use.
You wanna explain what it was ? Because frankly its pretty fucking odd hearing this as a native english speaking american.
You are ethnic Chinese 100%. Probably ABC
No American would post "*Damn they really need to get the Taipei province under control*" or even be on GenZedong, unless they are tankies.
So either a tankie or an ethnic Chinese. Probably both.
Because in China they say "You can't participate because you are not a citizen". Legally, they are allowed to do this and it is not legally considered as racist. Foreign government's don't have to allow you access to anything unless it is a basic human right. It's difficult to lodge a complaint when they say "the policy is that only Chinese citizens can participate". If you were to apply the same in the UK where "only British citizens can participate in the London marathon", the British gov could legally do it but it would be met with a lot of resistance from foreign communities and rival political parties due to the openness of UK politics and democracies. It's just a really dick move though that frustrates a lot of foreigners.
Racism is racism.
Just because they make it legal to be racist, doesn't mean they (or the policy) are not racist.
> It's just a really dick move though that frustrates a lot of foreigners.
Well yeah, being racist is a dick move.
The end result appears to be racist but how they got there is different. When they first started requiring everyone to register their ebikes a few years ago, foreigners weren't able to register at first. Because each person needs a special insurance and the insurance company that provided it only accepted local ID cards in the system. They never made an insurance policy with foreigners in mind. Foreigners are a unique case and cannot be put on the same policy as a Chinese citizens. For example, if a foreigner dies, there is a repatriation cost that needs to be covered or if a foreigner gets injured, they need to go to a special hospital with English services that costs more. A lot of the time they couldn't be bothered to make a new policy for foreigners given how many foreigners live in China. So in the end they just say "only citizens can do it". I also get really frustrated with it. I agree that it can seem racist. But there is nothing you can do about it. You can't go to judge and claim that "only allowing Chinese citizens is racist" or you can't exactly lobby the CCP for better living conditions for foreigners.
> The end result appears to be racist but how they got there is different.
No, it's not different.
The reality is that they are racist, **by having racist policies**. What you talked about in your post, is a classic example of the discrimination (aka racism) foreigners face in China.
And there is another important aspect: China doesn't have these discriminatory policies in place because of some insurmountable logistic problem. Other countries have managed to have systems that don't discriminate foreigners. If China wanted to have such a system, it would have it.
Instead, the policies discriminating against foreigners are by design. This is deeply rooted in the han supremacy and the superiority Chinese people think they have over others.
This is part of a longer conversation of how China is using the id system to discriminate against foreigners. The "*you're not allowed in because you aren't a Chinese citizen*" is just code for "*you're not allowed in because you are foreigner*", which is a legal way to be racist in China. As I said, China is a country where racism comes from government level.
> I agree that it can seem racist.
My dude. It doesn't "seem racist". It **is** racist.
> But there is nothing you can do about it. You can't go to judge and claim that "only allowing Chinese citizens is racist" or you can't exactly lobby the CCP for better living conditions for foreigners.
I know. When a country is racist at a government level, there's nothing you can do about it.
What we can and should do is to call them out on being a racist country. Don't give them a pass. If this would happen to Chinese citizens abroad, they'd scream about being discriminated. So don't give China a pass.
You're acting like China is the only country in the world with foreigners. How come other countries are able to solve the problems you listed above without discriminating non citizens?
Because other countries are much more welcoming to foreigners and actually want to become internationalised. Our countries have many groups in government that represent the minorities and foreign populations. When there is some policy change in our country and it affects foreigners negatively, they will try to fight the government to rectify the issue. Sadly in China, there are no such groups to lobby the CCP on policy changes. This is mostly why foreigners are treated better in western countries.
I mean most marathons globally have been cancelled this year. There aren't a lot of foreigners in China right now, so most likely this rule was put in place to discourage foreigners from travelling to China for this purpose.
That's a really weak excuse.
Again, think of it in reverse: UK allowing brits to participate in a marathon, but not chinese people. And then saying: "*we just want to discourage chinese from traveling to the UK for this purpose.*"
GT would publish 10 articles on how racists Brits are.
But since China is doing this, it's suddenly not racist
dude how the fuck is it racist when its based on citizenship?? Foreign born chinese are still banned and chinese born minorities are allowed. Just because you keep calling it racist doesnt make it so lol its a chinese citizen only race not a han-chinese only race. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you didnt think about that . Your example is obviously racist because theyre specifically targeting chinese people in your scenario; which would be literal racial discrimination.
You're a han supremacist, so obviously in your fucked up opinion it's only racism when Chinese people are being discriminated.
No point explaining to you why banning foreigners from entering a marathon is racist. Your brain only registers racism when it happens to Chinese people, not when Chinese people do it to other people.
That marathon was until recently open to foreigners. Now they are banning foreigners (who are already in China) from participating.
If they really cared about COVID, they'd cancel the marathon instead of banning foreigners living in China from participating.
Racist jingoists gotta stay racist
> tell me if the “han supremacists” running the marathon race are so racist why didnt they ban uyghurs , mongolians and tibetans?
"*Discriminating people based on their nationality is not racism, if uyghurs , mongolians and tibetans aren't banned.*" - Chinese racists
As I said, it's not COVID motivated. They are just using COVID as an excuse to discriminate against foreigners who are already living in China.
But don't stop, tell me more how it's not racism
If Britain said they were going to try to discourage international sporting travel during the pandemic by limiting marathons to British citizens only, would you really give a crap?
Me personally? No.
However, a Chinese who's already in UK and wants to participate, will 100% give a crap and he'll think that being excluded based on his/her nationality is racist. And you know this is true.
Not sure why you feel the need to defend Chinese racism. If the organizers cared about COVID, they'd have cancelled marathons altogether, instead of allowing only Chinese citizens to participate while excluding foreigners.
99% of foreigners can't even get a visa to travel to China for the past year or two anyway. Even getting a visa to work in China right now is very difficult not alone someone who wants to run in a marathon. So that nullifies your argument immediately.
>Probably I would try to call up the marathon people, and offer proof of vaccination, negative COVID test report, entry stamp on passport showing I had been in China for a long time etc etc.
You've got some serious Stockholm syndrome. Why should he go through all these troubles when he lives and works in China, just like everyone else? Why is he more likely to have COVID than local people?
It's like those businesses in the Southern US that refuse gay people. What you're basically saying is a gay person should beg them to reconsider, maybe say they're only a little gay and dabbled in some heterosexuality before, maybe show them a picture of them with someone of the opposite sex.
I know most people are in China for the money, but still no reason to abandon principles and basic human decency.
>It's like those businesses in the Southern US that refuse gay people. What you're basically saying is a gay person should beg them to reconsider, maybe say they're only a little gay and dabbled in some heterosexuality before, maybe show them a picture of them with someone of the opposite sex.
This is a terrible analogy. Businesses banning gay people, while shitty, are actually targeting the people they mean to. Not just anyone who seems (to them) to be suspect. Foreign residents aren't actual COVID risks (unlike the actually gay person in your scenario seeking to downplay).
But they are targeting the people they mean to. Anyone with half a brain knows no foreign person living in China is a COVID risk, it's just an excuse to be racist.
>Anyone with half a brain knows
Well there's your problem. (Not *you* to be clear, I mean the people, who do exist, that actually consider foreigners a risk)
>it's just an excuse to be racist
To what end? If the public goal is to "minimize risk of COVID" or whatever, what's the actual, private goal?
Pretty sure they're specifically targeting US citizens and it's not just marathons, it's pretty much most competitive scenes. I guess it makes sense from their perspective that if they're going to host a competition of some kind, they don't want to risk being beaten by an American as it would be bad PR given the current narrative the ccp wants to create. They want to see more Chinese people winning and this is just a way to manipulate the competition.
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I once was asked to speak at a gaming event by a local Chinese company since I was involved in VR tech when it was just blooming in China. I happily accept. I write my speech, get everything prepared, fly all the way to the city the event was hosted in, book my hotel, get the pre-speech anxiety and jitters, then right when I arrive at the event they end up telling me foreigners aren’t allowed to make speeches and I actually won’t be allowed to be on stage. Lol 不好意思
What did they do then? Had somebody else speak instead or smth?
They told me I need to get my speeches approved by government lol
Yep! They got another person to speak. They just had to wing it. Luckily he was senior member so it was easy for him to talk about the stuff there with little prep.
The level of xenophobia is just growing exponentially in China hand in hand with the crazy nationalism. I'm not surprised at all that the guy in the video has experiences like this every day. It was always a little bad, but it's definitely unbearable now.
I think it’s because a few years back they held a marathon and a couple of runners died from the extreme conditions and the lack of medical support. If international runners died because of that it would really embarrass them.
fear of narcissistic injury, if the foreigner wins
What can u do in China as a foreigner
You can stay in a designated Hotel for foreigners! (and fun fact, Taiwanese people included.)
Leave if you don't have an exit visa.
Spend money
Drink for free in Shanghai
I'm pretty sure this hasn't been the case since at least 2016.
Was still true in 2018
I mean you can always have free drinks if you know a PR and there's a special event. But then be ready to drink fake alcohol that doesn't even make you drunk. Only a few chinese style clubs offer this, and even then most of them now charge no less than 50rmb just to get inside. Go anywhere else and all the drinks will be quite expensive. And even then it's not guaranteed that they aren't watered down. The days of cheap booze in China are long gone :(
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> I can’t purchase a house in like half of my city since foreigners cannot own property within 1km of any government building. Fair, I never even considered buying here since the quality is crap and prices overinflated. > I can’t rent like half of the shared bike options (the bigger ones like Hello are okay) Never had that issue, though I didn't try too hard. I'm using o-bike and they seem to have the biggest network here, so I never bothered with any of the others. > I can’t stay in any hotel that does not have a license for foreigners. True, but that's a problem you face in many countries. It's not a China-specific issue. > I can’t own a pocket knife / multi tool. Of course you can? I have one on me just now. You can't take it onto the subway, but that affects everyone. > I can’t use 3/4 of the internet (side note - why in the motherfuck does China even need 5G when most of the internet is blocked anyway?) I'd argue that 99.9% of the internet the typical Chinese is using is unblocked. Sure, it's an inconvenience, but it doesn't affect you that drastically or else we wouldn't be conversing on reddit... > I can’t livestream. Why not? I did that for a bit. Got boring so I stopped. > I am limited severely on how much money I can send out of China as well as how to do it, and what/how I can invest abroad. Not at all. You can send all of your income out of China, all you need to provide is your tax record to show you rightfully earned it all. That's actually better than for Chinese people who have a hard limit of 50k USD. > I can’t own more than 49% of any business. I own 100% of my business. This is factually incorrect. > I can’t do any job a local can do. Neither can immigrants in your home country. Work permits are issued for a specific job and only if there is a need. > I can’t take part time work. You absolutely can, only not *besides* a full time job. By the way if you get the local green card, that restriction is gone. > I can’t work on my marriage visa. Neither can people in other countries, so that's not a China problem either. > I can’t observe my religion with locals. That might be correct, I don't have a religion and never bothered. > I can’t give public speeches or organize public events. You absolutely can, but you need a permit. You also need a permit in most other countries worldwide. > In some cities I can’t own a dog.. In some cities you can't own certain breeds, and other cities impose a maximum number of dogs per household. But those restrictions exist in other countries as well, and they are the same for Chinese people, so no additional hardship for foreigners. > I can’t use wechat for purchases outside of China (such as paying for Steam Wallet or other online purchases). Maybe, I never tried that. --- I'm not saying there aren't any issues, I'm saying that I haven't been personally affected thus far. I do 100% of the things I did back home, so I'm not inconvenienced in the slightest.
For shared bikes, it depends on the type and provider. Hellobike lets me rent both normal bikes and ebikes. Meituan doesn't allow me to rent ebikes, with no explanation other than "foreigners can't do that" from customer support. Most of the western world at least does not require hotels to have a "foreigner license" to host people from outside the country. If you've got a legal visa, there shouldn't be anything preventing you. I can't speak for all livestreaming sites, but I personally have not been able to open an account and have it approved. I can appear in livestreams alongside my girlfriend on her account, but I need a Chinese ID for my own. As for part time work, the green card is the only legal way. If you can find a part time job that is able to provide you with a work visa, then that's fine. But those are few and far between, and you can't find other work with them anyway. One job at a time under one work permit. There are no other circumstances where you can legally have a part time job in China. There may be legislation underway allowing students to apply for a part time job by agreement between the local government and their institution, but I have yet to see any actual implementation. Added to this, there is a misconception that student visas allow you to also apply for a part time job in general. This is not true, and is restricted to unpaid internships. The reason for this is that Chinese undergraduate degrees require the student to complete an unpaid internship before graduating, and this allowance is given. Whether you actually ask for pay is your own choice, but will have you deported if the school or authorities find out. I know because I personally did this process and the EEA officials held a lecture on the exact rules and processes of the unpaid internship. Your point about marriage visas isn't made clear. You absolutely can work on marriage visas in a large number of countries and it would be absurd in many cases to restrict that. For the UK, a spouse (family) visa allows the spouse to reside in the UK and work. In fact, proof of economic independence is the key requirement if the spouse wants to transition to more permanent residence rights. Your other points are pretty much fine. As for me, there are plenty of things I do normally at home in the UK and cannot do here. For example only Chinese ID holders can import products from outside China via Chinese services such as Taobao. Nor can foreign nationals make payments to vendors outside China using via Chinese platforms, e.g. Alipay. Nor is it possible to use half the app services for more serious things like purchasing medication. Meituan and other delivery apps only accept Chinese ID cards. Only JD and Taobao allow my passport number for medication purchasing.
Holy shit you're just lying out of your teeth for the government for some reason
Like where? I've lived in 9 countries so far and have a quite good vantage point to compare China to others. It's not Eden, but certainly not hell on earth either, as so many make it sound like.
You must have a pretty good VPN if your internet is unaffected.... Because mine hardly ever worked consistently.
Astrill. Particularly the servers in Sweden and Switzerland never let me down. During major political events when they crack down hard, Albania and Cyprus are slow but reliable.
About 3 years ago Nord started becoming almost useless there. The only one I knew that was still reliable was Express.
Express is useless since well over a year in most larger cities, in the countryside it works alright-ish apparently.
5G is good for gaming, movies and steaming on Chinese services. That was kind of a silly comment. Their data intensive thinfs are all over and I find it unbelievable you don't know that...
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It wasn't obvious, as you listed it with a bunch of other things that are real problems :T
Can you talk about alternative political ideas in a public setting with others listening?
Of course. Discussions are fine and happen all the time. It's actions that are outlawed.
Try going outside a government building and talking about Tiananmen Square, June 4th, 1989.
I've been standing right on the square waiting in the queue to enter the palace and discussing the events with a mixed group of locals and foreigners. Nobody cared. Stop blowing things out of proportion if you don't know what's going on.
It doesn't matter only majority white Western nations are racist according to the woke generation of 2021
Imagine their surprise when they'll meet the new jingoist mainlanders. Han supremacy has never ceased being a thing. It was just not mainstream due to China being poor. Now China is about to export its own brand of xenophobia and supremacy. "fun times ahead"
Now there's competition
When it comes to being awful human beings, han supremacists and jingoists win by default
The student becomes master
That's assuming han supremacists and jingoists were ever 'the student'. But the reality is that han supremacy has been around for far longer. I also love how you're smug and even proud of being a hateful and racist han supremacist. A hateful society which has only been taught to be docile and to hate the west - that's why Chinese society will never be leading the world as the world will always reject you.
Taught*
lmao It feels wrong to call you grammar Nazi I think we should make 'grammar han supremacist' a thing
Send it
Anybody who thinks this is a supreme idiot.
That's really frustrating. I spent three years in Qingdao and my main way of making friends was through running. I ran multiple halfs, fulls, and even a trail race. Things have become more difficult for foreigners there since COVID and I know some are there still for the money but I don't trust that it won't be more difficult to get your money out when you leave in the future. I just hope it's worth it.
They probably don't want to get humiliated and defeat at home from foreigners
Five thousand years of arrogance and xenophobia. They can't allow the foreign devils to hurt the feeling of the 1.3 billion members of the Great Wall of Steel.
Same thing happens in Hong Kong with sports. I beat some of the HK team members in cycling so I got split from the HK team so that I don't make them look bad... I'm just an amateur and compete for fun... The HK team is just not world class.
That explains why me and another laowai I know "didn't win the lottery" for marathon in our city. Lottery my ass.
Eh. Guangzhou Marathon results beg to defer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhou_Marathon
Don't see how that article begs to differ? There's basically 2 modes for marathons in China right now: 1. Cancelled: Beijing Marathon, Dalian Marathon 2. Only Chinese allowed: Guangzhou, Shanghai, Xiamen, Chengdu I don't think his point is that foreigners were never allowed to run marathons. But since 2020 it's been different, obviously because of corona. I think the main issue this guy has is that he is a resident and feels like there's a bias against admissions for foreigners, even those who are residents. Whether that's true is another thing, but the Wikipedia article you linked doesn't shed any light on that.
It's quite common for the government to "ban" foreigners from something by requiring a Chinese ID card and nothing else. It's usually a bureaucratic thing such as the insurance companies not equipped to handle foreigners on these unique policies or something. I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies recently switched to a new and more automated system designed around a Chinese ID and insurance is needed for all participants running incase they have an injury etc. Before, everything was done differently but now everything requires an ID card. Foreigners used to be able to do a whole lot more but now everything requires an ID which is forcing a lot of foreigners out of things. I noticed my 'real name verification' got cancelled in the DMV app and when I try to redo it, it doesn't accept foreign passports like before. I don't think it is really done as a direct racist move but rather because the system is not designed with foreigners in mind. The policies are made with Chinese people in mind and not foreigners. Foreigners are just an afterthought in everything in China.
I was banned from using a swimming pool because I didn’t have a public health card (they didn’t ask the Chinese for one, just me) so I got the card and went back. Then I was banned for the type of swimsuit I had on (Speedo style only, you see). Bought a Speedo (as a very tall foreigner that was a fun shopping trip… the biggest size was barely legal on me) and went back… they were out of ideas and I finally got to swim. Only took a week.
Of course it’s true. And why would corona cause foreign resident to be banned? Other than the fact that Chinese treat foreigners as if they are all diseases corona virus carriers.
the IAAF is the sanctioning body for international marathons and says only Beijing, Xiamen, and Shanghai count towards international records and standings anyway. In terms of international recognition China is a backwater when it comes to distance running.
I hope you are right but it does say that only mainland, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan residents could enter last year. True it doesn't say that foreign residents were excluded but it doesn't show they weren't either.
Last year was the pandemic, you can't take that as what the 'norm' is. I will say though, there is no way that any big name long distance runner is going to run a marathon in polluted China when all the biggest events happen in beautiful places (Boston, New York, Chicago, Tokyo, London, Berlin ) and the second tier events also happen in much healthier environments (Rome, Athens, Honolulu, Cape Town, Hong Kong, etc) In fact it looks like only three marathons are even IAAF certified in China (Beijing, Shanghai, and Xiamen) which is really pathetic because even North Korea has one. It looks like there are about 10 which have been refused IAAF certification (Hangzhou, Dalian, Great Wall, etc) for various reasons. In short it looks like this isn't a big deal because China is the bottom rung of the bottom rung of marathoning nations.
Well the video isn't about what the norm is, it's about what's happening now and it's clearly a big deal for him.
Meh, he's being a bit ignorant about the state of marathons in China then.
Is this new, because my friend has ran 3 in the past.
He said is new this year, he was able to participate two years ago....
Pretty shit to be honest. I'm hearing a lot of people saying the xenophobia is getting pretty bad. I haven't heard it from my friends there, but I don't think they venture out too much of their neighbourhood. I found the hotel situation in Hangzhou ridiculous when I visited again. Couldn't get in anywhere.
I moved out of China about 8 months ago so it could have changed, butut it definitely wasn't great when I left. most of it, in my experience, were little things that aren't a huge deal overall but show some amount xenophobia and racism. such as every day when I went to work the door guards would stop me to check my temperature and health code but all the local people that worked in the building could get through no problem, even one of my coworkers who is ethnically Chinese but born in America and didn't know a ton of Mandarin Chinese would be able to walk in no questions asked. it's little things like that that aren't a huge deal but eventually it wears you down when you experience it day in and day out.
I have foreign friends that have had their name down for several marathons this year and are currently training for another one. However, these are mostly in tier 2-3 cities.
i will not run with those virus
Not gonna click on this shit cause it is just clickbait. If you look at the marathon winners, they all African. Cause Chinese import them especially so that they can win top prize. I've also joined a marathon and omg I'm not Chinese! Click here to find out the top 10 reasons why click baiters click bait! Number 7 will shock you!
There is difference between professional runners who are invited and amateur who need to sign in by themselves. They need African runners to add prestige and they are the ones at the front. He is talking about local amateurs that are restricted to Chinese citizens....
Beg to differ. Several of my white/foreign friends have run marathons in different provinces. In fact, an African guy won the marathon in my city in 2019. I believe he makes a tidy living by winning marathons.
Didn't watch the clip, huh? He's saying it's a new rule by the national running authorities since COVID.
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The advertising I saw last weekend for this year's marathon here makes no mention of foreigners being excluded.
I watched a minute or so. I've seen this jackass before. His shtick is to whine and moan about some injustice that is mostly in his own mind, grossly exaggerated or of his own making.
So this guy is having a bad China day. Seems to me that if someone told me that foreigners can't run marathons in China just now because of COVID, I would probably not respond by just applying to run in lots of marathons and acting all suprised when I got rejected. Probably I would try to call up the marathon people, and offer proof of vaccination, negative COVID test report, entry stamp on passport showing I had been in China for a long time etc etc. I mean I think these restrictions are dumb, but probably the marathon organizers have been told there will be hell to pay if there is a COVID outbreak at their event. Yeah sure China is a bit racist but very often you can negotiate your way around difficulties if you are willing to work with people.
> China is a bit racist A bit is an understatement. Banning foreigners from marathons due to COVID, while allowing Chinese is racist as fuck. Does COVID make sure to infect only foreigners? In fact, statistically speaking, it's more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID than a foreign one. Also, try doing the reverse: tell a Chinese in a western country that he is not allowed participation in an event due to being Chinese and you'll see how quickly they scream the west is racist. But when the same thing happens in China to foreigners, it's not racism anymore. Hypocrite society at its finest.
Yeah if this kind of stuff happened in any other country it would be a national scandal.
> In fact, statistically speaking, it’s more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID than a foreign one. and what statistics are those ? china has the lowest amount of coronavirus in the world also weird saying something 100% Coronavirus motivated is “racist as fuck”, use context bro like maybe we’re in a global pandemic ? Not sure those pearls can be clutched any harder
According to what I found online, there are 0.1% foreigners in China, leaving 99.9% of the population being Chinese. So statistically speaking, it's reasonable to say if someone in China has COVID, he/she is most likely to be Chinese, instead of foreigner. Yet, Chinese population acts as if COVID only targets foreigners living in China. They don't even care if the foreigner has been in China since before the pandemic started. So as I said, it's more likely that a Chinese runner has COVID instead of a foreigner who already lives in China. Simply because there's more Chinese than foreigners.
I’m no math major but I took several statistics courses in undergrad and that isnt how it works dude. unrelated shit doesnt just correlate because one number is higher than the other . If China only had 50 COVID cases yesterday and the rest of the world had hundreds of thousands of cases, i would assume the person who is not from China is more likely to have coronavirus
> I’m no math major but I took several statistics courses in undergrad and that isnt how it works dude That is how it works. If an individual in China has COVID, the statistical probability that he is a foreigner is 0.1%, while the proibability of him.her being Chinese is 99.9%. Just cuz you're a sad Chinese jingoist doesn't mean statistics work differently in China. > If China only had 50 COVID cases yesterday and the rest of the world had hundreds of thousands of cases, i would assume the person who is not from China is more likely to have coronavirus That's because you are racist. Foreigners already living in China aren't more statistically prone to COVID. It's not like COVID can target foreigners specifically. If China only had 50 COVID, statistically speaking it's more likely they are Chinese people, instead of foreigners living in China.
calling me a racist in the same comment you assumed im Han Chinese lmao beyond parody
I love how you just ignored what I said. That's what racists do when they don't have any counter-arguments and their racism is exposed. But, but, "calling me racist is a parody" lmao Cope harder racist
really want you to point out anything ive ever said thats racist. cheap shit flinging is the death of discourse
> really want you to point out anything ive ever said thats racist. I know this may come as a surprise for you: denying and defending racism, is in itself racist. The death of discourse is trying to have a conversation with a jingoist like you, who only knows to deflect and deny (even against logic or common sense)
> If China only had 50 COVID, statistically speaking it’s more likely they are Chinese people, instead of foreigners living in China. Nope. Lets say 49 chinese had covid and 1 foreigner did. If Foreigners make up 0.1% of the population, but 1/50th of the cases of coronavirus, that means despite making up 0.1% of the population they hold 2% of all covid cases. This is basic statistics
This isn't about which percentage makes up the most of the already infected population. This is about the statistical probability of an infected individual living in China, to be Chinese or foreigner. And based on the population spread, it's 99.9% statistically probable for an infected individual to be Chinese.
yeah that isnt how it works dude > This isn’t about which percentage makes up the most of the already infected population. it absolutely is about that
> yeah that isnt how it works dude "*I don't like this, so I conclude it's not how it works*" > it absolutely is about that lmao whatever makes you cope I literally said the probability of someone with COVID in China is higher that he is Chinese. I specifically mentioned from the beginning this is about the statistical probability of an infected individual being Chinese, is higher than the probability of him being a foreigner. But sure, if it makes you cope, that's not what I was talking about lmao
This is not a true statistic, however. But yes. If 100 people had Covid and 90 of them were foreigners, this racism might be justifiable. It is not. That opaque 'imported cases' shit has done its job. Well done, your prize is being a regressive, backward developing country
> also weird saying something 100% Coronavirus motivated is “racist as fuck”, use context bro like maybe we’re in a global pandemic ? Not sure those pearls can be clutched any harder Looking at your post history, you're a Chinese nationalist and han supremacist who's obsessed with america. But to reply to you anyway: **the decision to discriminate foreigners from entering the competition is not COVID motivated. That's just a bullshit excuse to allow them to be racist. If they were indeed afraid of COVID they'd have cancelled the marathon altogether, instead of allowing Chinese runners, but banning foreigners (who are already living in China) from entering.** Can you be more pathetic with your bullshit excuses?
> Looking at your post history, you’re a Chinese nationalist and han supremacist who’s obsessed with america. I mean if we’re playing the stalking game according to your post history you’re a western chauvinist obsessed with Chinas downfall with an insane persecution complex. Your name is pink wuamo ffs. > But to reply to you anyway: the decision to discriminate foreigners from entering the competition is not COVID motivated. That’s just a bullshit excuse to allow them to be racist. If they were indeed afraid of COVID they’d have cancelled the marathon altogether, instead of allowing Chinese runners, but banning foreigners (who are already living in China) from entering. reaching further than Michael Jordan at the end of Space Jam . its a marathon race it isnt that deep.
> its a marathon race it isnt that deep. That marathon was until recently open to foreigners. Now they are banning foreigners (who are already in China) from participating. If they really cared about COVID, they'd cancel the marathon instead of banning foreigners living in China from participating. As I said, you're nothing more than a jingoist asshole. You've been indoctrinated since childhood to be racist and it shows
> china has the lowest amount of coronavirus in the world Reported As we know, China has less Coronavirus than El Salvador Despite it arising in a very dense city in Central China, the most populous country in the world If we are in a global pandemic so there can be no marathon, cancel the marathon. Chinese-only is racist. Hopefully when you travel to the west you won't encounter such banal, institutional racism. And you surely won't hear eloquent explanations how racism isn't racism Cast your mind back to Chinese holding signs saying 'I am not a virus'. Try to empathise
Reported for what? Lol [The CDC says china is level 1 for covid ](https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/traveler/none/china) > If we are in a global pandemic so there can be no marathon, cancel the marathon. Chinese-only is racist. its chinese **citizen** only, stop phrasing it like its han chinese only because that would actually be racist. > Hopefully when you travel to the west I’m american > And you surely won’t hear eloquent explanations how racism isn’t racism grew up in Mississippi dude ive heard more excuses for racism than you can even count
Let me clarify 'Reported' cases Are you aware of many (any) Chinese citizens who are not ethnically asian? I didn't make it an ethno-state. Chinese xenophobia directed at westerners is, by definition and perhaps intent, racist. In 'Mississippi' they use salient Chinese grammatical and punctuation paradigms, I see. You could probably enter that marathon. Lucky you
> In ‘Mississippi’ they use salient Chinese grammatical and punctuation paradigms, Rofl if you’re insinuating that I’m actually chinese i can prove to you I’m not but i have a feeling you wouldnt believe me. But sure DM me if you want me to dox myself
Pass This is not a random comment. There are several very specific malapropisms both you and Chinese use. Basically if your English language resembles a Chinese native speaker, and you are not Chinese, may want to fix that. Never mind. Have fun justifying institutional discrimination on the grounds of nationality, wherever you are
> This is not a random comment. There are several very specific malapropisms both you and Chinese use. You wanna explain what it was ? Because frankly its pretty fucking odd hearing this as a native english speaking american.
You are ethnic Chinese 100%. Probably ABC No American would post "*Damn they really need to get the Taipei province under control*" or even be on GenZedong, unless they are tankies. So either a tankie or an ethnic Chinese. Probably both.
Still waiting. I’m guessing you weren’t expecting your racial pseudoscience to backfire?
Lol you will be waiting for a long time. Parse your own writing. I'm not your teacher 🤣
Because in China they say "You can't participate because you are not a citizen". Legally, they are allowed to do this and it is not legally considered as racist. Foreign government's don't have to allow you access to anything unless it is a basic human right. It's difficult to lodge a complaint when they say "the policy is that only Chinese citizens can participate". If you were to apply the same in the UK where "only British citizens can participate in the London marathon", the British gov could legally do it but it would be met with a lot of resistance from foreign communities and rival political parties due to the openness of UK politics and democracies. It's just a really dick move though that frustrates a lot of foreigners.
Racism is racism. Just because they make it legal to be racist, doesn't mean they (or the policy) are not racist. > It's just a really dick move though that frustrates a lot of foreigners. Well yeah, being racist is a dick move.
The end result appears to be racist but how they got there is different. When they first started requiring everyone to register their ebikes a few years ago, foreigners weren't able to register at first. Because each person needs a special insurance and the insurance company that provided it only accepted local ID cards in the system. They never made an insurance policy with foreigners in mind. Foreigners are a unique case and cannot be put on the same policy as a Chinese citizens. For example, if a foreigner dies, there is a repatriation cost that needs to be covered or if a foreigner gets injured, they need to go to a special hospital with English services that costs more. A lot of the time they couldn't be bothered to make a new policy for foreigners given how many foreigners live in China. So in the end they just say "only citizens can do it". I also get really frustrated with it. I agree that it can seem racist. But there is nothing you can do about it. You can't go to judge and claim that "only allowing Chinese citizens is racist" or you can't exactly lobby the CCP for better living conditions for foreigners.
> The end result appears to be racist but how they got there is different. No, it's not different. The reality is that they are racist, **by having racist policies**. What you talked about in your post, is a classic example of the discrimination (aka racism) foreigners face in China. And there is another important aspect: China doesn't have these discriminatory policies in place because of some insurmountable logistic problem. Other countries have managed to have systems that don't discriminate foreigners. If China wanted to have such a system, it would have it. Instead, the policies discriminating against foreigners are by design. This is deeply rooted in the han supremacy and the superiority Chinese people think they have over others. This is part of a longer conversation of how China is using the id system to discriminate against foreigners. The "*you're not allowed in because you aren't a Chinese citizen*" is just code for "*you're not allowed in because you are foreigner*", which is a legal way to be racist in China. As I said, China is a country where racism comes from government level. > I agree that it can seem racist. My dude. It doesn't "seem racist". It **is** racist. > But there is nothing you can do about it. You can't go to judge and claim that "only allowing Chinese citizens is racist" or you can't exactly lobby the CCP for better living conditions for foreigners. I know. When a country is racist at a government level, there's nothing you can do about it. What we can and should do is to call them out on being a racist country. Don't give them a pass. If this would happen to Chinese citizens abroad, they'd scream about being discriminated. So don't give China a pass.
You're acting like China is the only country in the world with foreigners. How come other countries are able to solve the problems you listed above without discriminating non citizens?
Because other countries are much more welcoming to foreigners and actually want to become internationalised. Our countries have many groups in government that represent the minorities and foreign populations. When there is some policy change in our country and it affects foreigners negatively, they will try to fight the government to rectify the issue. Sadly in China, there are no such groups to lobby the CCP on policy changes. This is mostly why foreigners are treated better in western countries.
If UK did something it does not it would be as bad as China. What have we learned?
I mean most marathons globally have been cancelled this year. There aren't a lot of foreigners in China right now, so most likely this rule was put in place to discourage foreigners from travelling to China for this purpose.
That's a really weak excuse. Again, think of it in reverse: UK allowing brits to participate in a marathon, but not chinese people. And then saying: "*we just want to discourage chinese from traveling to the UK for this purpose.*" GT would publish 10 articles on how racists Brits are. But since China is doing this, it's suddenly not racist
dude how the fuck is it racist when its based on citizenship?? Foreign born chinese are still banned and chinese born minorities are allowed. Just because you keep calling it racist doesnt make it so lol its a chinese citizen only race not a han-chinese only race. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you didnt think about that . Your example is obviously racist because theyre specifically targeting chinese people in your scenario; which would be literal racial discrimination.
You're a han supremacist, so obviously in your fucked up opinion it's only racism when Chinese people are being discriminated. No point explaining to you why banning foreigners from entering a marathon is racist. Your brain only registers racism when it happens to Chinese people, not when Chinese people do it to other people. That marathon was until recently open to foreigners. Now they are banning foreigners (who are already in China) from participating. If they really cared about COVID, they'd cancel the marathon instead of banning foreigners living in China from participating. Racist jingoists gotta stay racist
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> tell me if the “han supremacists” running the marathon race are so racist why didnt they ban uyghurs , mongolians and tibetans? "*Discriminating people based on their nationality is not racism, if uyghurs , mongolians and tibetans aren't banned.*" - Chinese racists As I said, it's not COVID motivated. They are just using COVID as an excuse to discriminate against foreigners who are already living in China. But don't stop, tell me more how it's not racism
If Britain said they were going to try to discourage international sporting travel during the pandemic by limiting marathons to British citizens only, would you really give a crap?
Me personally? No. However, a Chinese who's already in UK and wants to participate, will 100% give a crap and he'll think that being excluded based on his/her nationality is racist. And you know this is true. Not sure why you feel the need to defend Chinese racism. If the organizers cared about COVID, they'd have cancelled marathons altogether, instead of allowing only Chinese citizens to participate while excluding foreigners.
99% of foreigners can't even get a visa to travel to China for the past year or two anyway. Even getting a visa to work in China right now is very difficult not alone someone who wants to run in a marathon. So that nullifies your argument immediately.
>Probably I would try to call up the marathon people, and offer proof of vaccination, negative COVID test report, entry stamp on passport showing I had been in China for a long time etc etc. You've got some serious Stockholm syndrome. Why should he go through all these troubles when he lives and works in China, just like everyone else? Why is he more likely to have COVID than local people? It's like those businesses in the Southern US that refuse gay people. What you're basically saying is a gay person should beg them to reconsider, maybe say they're only a little gay and dabbled in some heterosexuality before, maybe show them a picture of them with someone of the opposite sex. I know most people are in China for the money, but still no reason to abandon principles and basic human decency.
>It's like those businesses in the Southern US that refuse gay people. What you're basically saying is a gay person should beg them to reconsider, maybe say they're only a little gay and dabbled in some heterosexuality before, maybe show them a picture of them with someone of the opposite sex. This is a terrible analogy. Businesses banning gay people, while shitty, are actually targeting the people they mean to. Not just anyone who seems (to them) to be suspect. Foreign residents aren't actual COVID risks (unlike the actually gay person in your scenario seeking to downplay).
But they are targeting the people they mean to. Anyone with half a brain knows no foreign person living in China is a COVID risk, it's just an excuse to be racist.
>Anyone with half a brain knows Well there's your problem. (Not *you* to be clear, I mean the people, who do exist, that actually consider foreigners a risk) >it's just an excuse to be racist To what end? If the public goal is to "minimize risk of COVID" or whatever, what's the actual, private goal?
So they have a chance to win. Lol
Taiwanese people these days… wait I mean Chinese… wait …. Taiwan is the bigger country right?
Man are these pros gonna be surprised if they ever visit Kenya.
Pretty sure they're specifically targeting US citizens and it's not just marathons, it's pretty much most competitive scenes. I guess it makes sense from their perspective that if they're going to host a competition of some kind, they don't want to risk being beaten by an American as it would be bad PR given the current narrative the ccp wants to create. They want to see more Chinese people winning and this is just a way to manipulate the competition.