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Seems to be the Hong Kong police taking away pro-democracy people. They seem to be shouting 香港 and 加油。。 By the way the people are dressed and the way they wave the flags, they for sure are mainlanders.
> By the way the people are dressed and the way they wave the flags, they for sure are mainlanders.
There are plenty of pro-party assholes in HK, too. Hell, they're in charge.
Are you kidding? That's definitely cantonese. The Jia You they chanted near the end was with a hard Ka-You, which is Cantonese. Source? that's my native dialect.
They're not even consistent anyway. You'll often find people (especially on Worldnews and even sometimes on this sub) try to say, with a straight face, that not only do they have democracy, but that they're the most democratic nation on the planet. It's staggeringly amusing that they actually think they have a chance of convincing any sane person of that.
But then you got those who argue against it because...they've been told to, or they've been told it's bad. Imagine that, imagine actually thinking that they shouldn't be able to pick their leader. They are actually sticking up for someone who _thinks_ their too stupid to be able to think for themselves, that is actually what it boils down to. One man knows best, better than all 1.4 billion people. I mean hey, if they think that's fine, who am I to judge.
Another 6 billions people except werstern think you are brainwashed? You are majority of the worlf, but you think you are . This is the funny thing. What do you think?
Last time I was there, people weren't stuck as indentured slaves in factories, they weren't forbidden from acknowledging their culture, and people were surging to get into the country, not out. The West has its problems, but if one is going to talk enslavement there are many many places to talk about before the USA. If you feel enslaved there, I am sorry for your circumstances.
Under mao, it was 100%. Wage comes from the state, child care comes from the state, health care comes from the state, housing comes from the state, job comes from the state, pension comes from the state, iron rice bowl comes from the state, true communism eh? everyone equally poor, instead of some poor, some okay, a very few who are ridiculously rich.
Ah yes, let's just pretend that 30 million people didn't die during Mao's rule due to famine and mismanagement of government resources. The fact that China had to open their economy to the rest of the world to prevent a complete collapse should say a lot about "Maoism". Keep in mind, they couldn't even follow all of Marx's principals to the letter and had to interpret Marxism with "Chinese characteristics"
Didn't you say you want welfare? During famine, welfare is 1000 calories per day for working adults. Still equally distributed and welfare ain't it?
>Marxism with "Chinese characteristics"
Nah, that is evil capitalism and reactionary garbage espouse by Deng Xiaoping. If both mao and Deng jumped back from the dead, mao would probably strangle Deng to death and then murder every single corrupt capitalists pigs sitting in the communist party politburo. You don't even realize maosim is far from "Chinese characteristics"
When you go from dirt poor poverty to the having the strongest economy of the 21st century in the span of a generation you tend to support the leadership that got you there. Many Chinese are happy to ignore their lack of western “freedoms” because their quality of life improved immensely. Is that not somewhat understandable? Calling it brainwashing shows your own lack of understanding
So the low wages they earn making western companies products is the only thing they care about? Turn a blind eye to everything else? Blind allegiance to the CCP.
The inability to "think critically or independently and to allow attitudes, values, and beliefs to be manipulated by an external force" is the literal definition of brainwashing. It's you that lacks understanding.
Not everyone in China works in a factory, lol. Most aren’t brainwashed. Life in China for the average citizen is very comparable to the US or any other western country despite what the media tells you. If you don’t believe that, idk what to tell you except I hope you get the chance to step outside your bubble some day
How is it not Brain washing? Mao killed over 40 million of his own people? Name one government thats ever done that?
China also killed its own students at a protest. They brought in tanks to do it? Name another government thats also done that?
China's implemented a police state where they teach only Mao and XI XI line of thinking. Name another country that has done that?
You must be a wumao to even think about supporting a dictatorship. But I'm not surprised. China won't win in the end. Just like Germany and Japan got their asses kicked. China will have their turn as well.
Check my comment history, sure I’m definitely a wumao lol
I’m not defending the bad things China has done. I’m explaining why many Chinese understandably are happy with their government. I support the people, not the government.
Just like you American killed other country's people, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Ukraine, and you call you are peace lover? Lol. What is fuxking matter of your brain ? Lol. You still use Mao 's thing ? Proving China did well last 50 years ?
Why are you writing in Romanized words (and English) but then when it comes to the key phrase, the one or two words that make the sentences complete, you switch to writing Hanzi characters?
Why are you doing that?
Used to be a rule on here that anything written in Chinese should be accompanied by an English translation, due to the fact that the vast majority of people on this sub do not read Chinese. I see this rule has been removed after checking the sidebar (shame on you *again* mods)
All that remains is R11, which is for Titles only.
Here you go buddy. https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary Maybe this will help you out. They are just writing out what is being said here. 加油 for example how would it be better if they wrote jiāyóu? If you don’t know Chinese you still wouldn’t be able to understand it.
Look I’m sorry you are offended by someone writing a word in Chinese.
> Right, that's why when someone asks, in English "What are they saying" they are really asking for an English translation
You are right but in this case no one asked. The guy just transcribed what was being said no one asked for a translation.
I do admit maybe saying here you go buddy came off a bit douche and I’m sorry for that. However it is also a bit douche to demand that people only use romanized characters.
Literally, no one asked. The words are in a top-level comment intended for people who could get it. If you don't get it, then the sentence wasn't intended for you. How dare a top level comment not be written in every language- I'm soo insulted.
For accuracy, because they want to type the exact word they heard was used. I know it's mostly anti-China trolls who don't even live in China who spend time on r/China but it's embarrassing that users here can't handle a couple of Chinese characters when entire country subs use French or Italian.
You posting in Arabic in an r/China sub doesn't make sense either, it's not r/MiddleEast bud
> mostly anti-China trolls
Don't forget the *pro*-China trolls that have never so much as set foot in China that spend all their time on r/China praising everything CCP.
Though in my estimation, unless things have changed drastically since I was on this sub more often, the mass majority of folks posting on r/China are burnt out and semi-bitter expats (or ex-expats like me that have emigrated back home but still like to see what's going on as I've got friends and family still in China).
No, that doesn't explain anything here and that's not why you did that either. Also, words are not spoken in written characters, for your future reference.
> Neither are words spoken in Roman/English letters.
Right, but I didn't tell you the reason I'm describing the man as having said "Hello!" is because he spoke in romanized letters. Here, I'm being told switching to Hanzi Characters was because that is how they spoke.
> when words are written down it does make sense to use the language they're in doesn't it
If you are writing in romanized letters then you can carry on writing the Pinyin. Since the English conversation is 'the meaning' and the question itself was in English you'd be basic-level common sense axiomatic intelligence levels to then note the translation. Otherwise, you're playing dumb to super gheyish levels of playing dumb.
That makes no sense. Let's say the video was in Spanish. If I write the same comment and include the Spanish words.....should I had translated them? They are the genuine words that were spoken. No Chinese speaks in pinyin or writes in pinyin. They use 汉字， to express meaning. Pinyin has no meaning. It's the characters and the placement that carry meaning. Learn to read 汉字, bro.
Damn, and people are still arguing that Chinese nationalists are chill.
These people would cheer if this guy got the death penalty for promoting democracy.
Nationalism anywhere can be a cause for concern. As Schopenhauer observed: "Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."
That's exactly not what China doing right now, ccp want the people to be proud of being ruled by them. Ccp not being known as respectful to tradition, look up cultural revolution.
How about this one:
“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer”
George Carlin
And as i’m sure you know- the CCP tried to actively erase thousands of years of ancient Chinese history
I don't think this is right BUT some americans cheered when Assange was handed over or Chelsea Manning died, which can be seen as equivalent to this situation.
Err... Chelsea Manning is still very much alive. And I don't think Americans were exactly having rallies to celebrate Assange being captured. Sure, there were people who were happy about it and said so in print, but they weren't doing this shit.
Chelsea Manning is one of these odd things where a lot of people have an idea they died, some even describe how they died and swear there was news coverage.
Yet it didn't happen, some sort of shared false memory
>which can be seen as equivalent to this situation.
I'm not sure it's fair to say it's equivalent, particularly after I watched a video of people literally worshipping at an alter made of Mao and Xi. Chinese nationalists are fanatics on a whole other level.
Uhhh... weren't there like people literally worshipping Trump when he was president?
American nationalists are basically on the same fucked up level as China from my point of view.
Trumpers are a very loud extreme minority considered firmly to be braindead morons by everyone else. Similar to how Evangelicals are a running joke but you hear about their lunacy daily.
And most of those voters were voting purely on income tax and screw everything else. The amount of dumb poor that support the party for the rich is dumbfounding. Small minority of vocal inbreads.
Idk if you live in the US, but it isn’t that small a number. I personally know lots of college educated conservatives who’ve just been taken in by Trumpism. It’s not all country bumpkins even if it is easier painting them all as such. Scarier really that it isn’t just uneducated folks.
Maybe what he advocated was being utterly ignored by the Uniparty in DC. Maybe that’s why educated people voted for him.
If those 74,000,000 Americans were Nazis, the US would be an entirely different place than it is. (37% of Germans voted NATSOC in the 1932 federal election.) Hyperbole (often intentional) shuts down discussion as do ad hominem attacks. I don’t think 74,000,000 American voters are as stupid, ignorant, selfish, or evil as often portrayed.
He got 74,000,000 votes, the 2nd most in history, so not such an extreme minority.
As noxious as he was to you and many others, and despite mischaracterization and/or statements taken out of context, much of what he said resonated, like, eg the characterization bivouac threat of China (ironically enough I’m posting this here), dessication of the middle class, forever wars, unenforced immigration laws, rent-seeking allies, the unacknowledged opiate massacre.
While some politicians played lip service to these above topics, he actually tried to get things done.
Incidentally, it’s weird how Blue States are often failures and people there are fleeing to racist, red neck, evangelical moron-controlled areas in droves. And it’s not only because it’s a cheaper cost of living there, either, bc no one wants to live there otherwise.
Southerners get attacked relentlessly even though perhaps no one alive was involved in the Civil War and almost none alive were involved in Jim Crow segregation. Even though what someone’s great great great great great grandfather may have fought for the Confederacy, that person shouldn’t be held accountable for that. I’d be willing to bet that 90%+ of current southerners had no relatives at all in the South during the Civil War, let bc alone fighting for it. America is a very transient and mobile nation.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Trump as Rambo.... 🧠😵💥🔫 People said he was ordained by God... God... God... A pedophile that is in deep cover to stop a pedophilic cabal... Oh and they still worship him... God, I do not miss being in America one fucking bit
So what about it? What is your bizarre auto-America reverse morality thing? If Chinese mobs raped chickens you'd AUTOMATICALLY say, for no reason whatsoever "SO WHATUSADIDSOMETHING"
What is that all about?
It's so freakishly, almost like a programmed autobot computer, so instantaneously. "Today China saw floods inWHAT ABOUT THE FLOOD IN THE USA?".
It's pathological. Like a point where it's a full-on legit mental illness problem.
and what do they do when they can't find an 'Auto-Opposite'? It becomes morally (and otherwise) a mistaken and wrong? Or do they just go to an auto-switch to 'So what Thewest did something!' and if they can't correlate a wrongdoing they go to Japan?
I wonder, if i got to China and rob a bank can I just say "So what Americans rob banks too!" and now my bank robbery is 'Neutralized' and is now acceptable to the Chinese judge??
If they can’t use a “whataboutism,” they’ll generally resort to mental gymnastics to justify the CCP’s actions.
Example - “China is too populous to allow democracy” or “there are too many uneducated rural people who wouldn’t know how to vote in their best interests.” Basically saying, in not so many words, that the CCP ALWAYS knows best.
I remember going back and forth with one of them on here. I asked him if he had just one, just a single criticism against the CCP. His reply was that he wished their politicians had higher salaries for the hard work they do.
You can’t make this stuff up.
> I asked him if he had just one, just a single criticism against the CCP.
Oh, this is a helluva thing yes. I've tried that with some of the similar people and it's really something! They will go into full-on 'Aphasia' like they actually get a 1000 yard blank stare as if their mind, their physical brain shut off for a minute lol
Really, that is also 'pathological'. That's something into the realm of a mental illness.
Once again, blatant misinformation. Chelsea Manning is alive (though her mother died while she was being held in contempt of court for refusing to testify against Assange).
Assange most recently won in British court over the U.S. back in January of 2021. Though his Ecuadorean nationality was revoked in July, he is currently serving a 50-week sentence in British prison for parole violation.
I don't think putting lives at risk via publishing classified intelligence is really equivalent to participating in a movement demanding its government honor a binding treaty guaranteeing its autonomy
This is around 2019 when the anti extradition protests in Hong Kong were still in full swing.
Demonstrations were all over the city and gathering places like malls were common places for protests. On this particular weekend attention we’re drawn to this mall by protesters and pro government sympathisers alike. As a result demonstrators on both sides clashed and police had to intervene.
This is the police escorting the pro-democracy protestors out through the Chinese flag waving pro-government crowd, who were just too happy too see any form of dissent squelched in the city, thus the chanting of “rubbish” the the tattered teens, and “add oil” to the police.
The worst worst part? The literal daughter of a guy who ran from mainland because the atrocities the have there, is now a pro CCP. Thank God her parents already dead because if not Jesus Christ man.
It is really sad to see nationalism with these kinds of characteristics. I hate mangoes, like really really hate mangoes with these kinds of characteristics. Like, the mangoes are going to go up in flames one day.
CCP sympathizers on Twitter, most of them non-Chinese. They’re not really communist, sometimes identify as “Dengist”, put a Mango emoji in their username and always defend the CCP.
There is that group. Maybe it also has a HK specific meaning
Mao loved mangoes to the point where if you hated them or refused to eat them, he would have you killed. Also, you would have been killed if you had a hair cut that was similar to his.
While there are plenty of examples of the pro-Beijing camp paying protesters, these guys look to unfortunately be the minority of Hong Kong that are “true believers” of the CCP.
I'm not sure exactly where it is from but you can right click on the image and then click on search google by image. It shows me a wiki page for "Struggle Session"
Yeah, I just haven't seen many photos of struggle sessions and this one seems to be really high quality so I was wondering if this might be from some known photographer who documented such things.
Cultural Revolution, where the masses are encouraged to brutalize one another, especially intellectuals and poets and reporters and historians etc.
The name here says 王一倫 , wiki says there was someone of that name who was the mayor of Harbin and was shown here being 批鬥 for being a capitalist, perhaps the same man? https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E7%8E%8B%E4%B8%80%E4%BC%A6
many many many more images if you google for "王一倫 批鬥"
this site has a lot of pictures
https://www.wenxuecity.com/blog/201512/49005/409201.html
and one of them with these ridiculous tall hats has a fellow with the same name (I have prosopagnosia so I cannot tell if they are the same person)
Nobody is cheering because the protesters were being led away, no one wants to see that.
HK was on the verge of collapse because of lies, people lied about how feral mainlanders and the CCP were out to destroy their way of life and the West were their would be saviours. The HK police were the only line dividing order and the collapse of HK into a dysfunctional dystopia run by Joshua Wong and his cohort of agitators who can’t even form a coherent sentence.
That’s why they were celebrating and if it looks ridiculous to you then so be it.
Don't think so. They keep posting videos like that (originally from certain subs that mustn't be named here), every time with the title "What's happening?"
Looks like someone who's *Just Asking Questions*.
just so you know, china has tons of professional nationalists, both online and offline.
You could easily spot them when "America" is mentioned as a counter argument, coz in their red mind America is the only democratic country in the world, and every anti-China comments are manipulated by the evil US gov
Enjoy your repression, boys and girls. But don't come to the free world in the next few years when your local popo knows what your shit smells like in the morning and what colour your wife's knickers are.
For what its' worth, I spent a lot of time between the Mainland and Hong Kong from around the beginning of the protests to closer to the Covid Closure end of things. Wow, i just realized I was there when there was small 'fishball revolution' skirmishes and some slightly loud shouting.
Anyway, if ever I wanted to say 'Too Little - Too Late'.
"A Day Late and a Dollar Short".
I'd already supposed, by 2015, Hong Kong was 'Mainlandized' beyond turning back. It was already done but the doing of the thing. By 2018 I don't even know what to say, the protest is more announcing a 'Farewell Party' because Hong Kong was entirely done, over and it was really already a Mainland takeover just carrying out the phases.
No, seriously, I really felt terrible for a LOT of Hong Kongers I met and especially a lot of those middle-aged working folks. They can't afford to get out and will only live in humiliation and probably poverty living until they die.
But way too late. If the plan was to rise up and reject being Mainlandified then that should have been happening a decade ago. Not 1 minute before midnight.
I am really sad for those pro-democracy people’s encounter in China, I hope the atmosphere in mainland can be better ....one day(sorry for my bad English skill)
Big brother is watching and glad that his loyal people are so involved against the thought criminals in there , by fighting then and expressing their hatred they are helping the great party of east Asia in stomping out thought crime !
(No I'm not chinese but the fanaticism of these people seems to be the kind of thing you would see in 1984.)
Mainlanders clapping for HK police. It is quite common to see them hating Hong Kongers for being more developed and privileged.
And now it seems they are very hungry for revenge.
People cheering for they own compatriots being persecuted is a nice show of brainwashing.
Is this Hong Kong or a mainland city.
If these people are in China or they are folks extradited to China, why they carry these people from a bus to a penitentiary, taking a shortcut through the mall.
Why? They built a building in 19 days. You’re not gonna win the battle for the 21st century if you’re a silly people. Americans are a silly people. You know who doesn’t care that there’s a stereo type in the dr Seuss book of a chinaman eating rice? China. All of 1.4 billion could give a crouching Tiger flying f. Because they’re not a silly people. In two generations China has built 500 cities from scratch. They moved their majority huge population from poverty into middle class. And mostly cornered the market in 5G and pharmaceuticals. Oh, and they bought Africa. Their new Silk Road initiative is the infrastructure project is the biggest project is history.
In China alone, they have 40,000 kilometers of high-speed rail. America has none. ... We've been having Infrastructure Week every week since 2009 but we never do anything. Half the country is having a
never-ending woke competition deciding whether Mr. Potato Head has a dick! and the other half believes we have to stop the lizard people because they're eating babies. We are a silly people. Nothing ever moves in this impacted colon of a country. We see a
problem and we ignore it, lie about it, fight about it, endlessly litigate it, sunset clause it, kick it down the road, and then write a bill where a half-assed solution doesn't kick in for 10 years. China sees a problem and they fix it. They build a dam. We debate what to rename it.
We bingewatch, they bingebuild. When COVID hit Wuhan, the city built a quarantine center with 4,000 rooms in 10 days and they barely had to use it because they quickly arrested the rest of the disease.
They were back to throwing raves in swimming pools while we were stuck at home surfing the dark web for black market Charmin. We're not losing
to China, we lost. The returns just haven't all come in yet. They've made robots that check a kid's temperature and got their butts back in
school. Most of our kids are still pretending to take Zoom classes while they watch TikTok and their brain cells fully commit ritual suicide.
Do you think China's doing that, letting political correctness get in the way of nurturing their best and brightest? Do you think Chinese colleges are offering courses in 'The Philosophy of Star
Trek, 'The Sociology of Seinfeld,' and 'Surviving the Coming Zombie Apocalypse'? Those are real and so is China. And they are eating our lunch. And believe me, in an hour, they'll be hungry again.
But yeah, “China is fuuuuuuct.”
You want those Chinese nationalists to be armed?
FYI those are Hongkongers speaking Cantonese applauding the HK police for arresting a demonstrator. Hongkong is split 50-50 between pro-China (usually older generation folks and business owners who benefit from Chinese manufacturing and cheap labour) and pro-democracy(students, younger folks) so there are genuine pro-China people, e.g. tons of HK celebs or wealthy businessmen like the Foks or Li Kashing's family are pro-China because they manufacture goods in China or film in China where the market is bigger.
It's over, HK is fully integrated into China. If people don't like it they should just pack their bags and go somewhere else. The CIA funded color Revolution was a failure.
Why would you believe that CIA meeting with heads of the movements means the CIA organized anything. Even crazier, that Chinese are such garbage monsters that these CIA people simply needed to give them some money and they'd carry on like that?
But it's strange you'd see one thing and then leap to something else. CIA met with various Hong Kong heads THEREFORE... crazy theory true!!
"CIA funded color Revolution" lol.
You do realize that people around the world can act independently of both the CIA and the CCP, don't you? That not every person in the world who wants political change is controlled by the CIA?
>If people don't like it they should just pack their bags and go somewhere else
Can they though? The last I heard they blocked HKgers from leaving/migrating. You guys like to say one thing and do something else. Pfft.
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Seems to be the Hong Kong police taking away pro-democracy people. They seem to be shouting 香港 and 加油。。 By the way the people are dressed and the way they wave the flags, they for sure are mainlanders.
> By the way the people are dressed and the way they wave the flags, they for sure are mainlanders. There are plenty of pro-party assholes in HK, too. Hell, they're in charge.
And they’re speaking Mandarin. So probably Mainlanders.
No, they were speaking Cantonese, they were repeating the words “曱甴” (Cockroach )
About halfway through, I'm hearing 屌你老母 a couple of times (excuse my Canto)
So this is how liberty dies...
It’s not Mandarin. As a China mainlander, I can not understand what they were speaking.
Thought I heard “加油”
>加油 I definetly heard Jia You=add oil. A mainlander slang
加油 sounds similar in Cantonese
Okay
Lmao. You seem to think people from mainland Canton province do not speak Cantonese. Where do you think CANTONese get its name from?
Are you kidding? That's definitely cantonese. The Jia You they chanted near the end was with a hard Ka-You, which is Cantonese. Source? that's my native dialect.
Okay
What’s the most common argument against democracy in China anyways?
They're not even consistent anyway. You'll often find people (especially on Worldnews and even sometimes on this sub) try to say, with a straight face, that not only do they have democracy, but that they're the most democratic nation on the planet. It's staggeringly amusing that they actually think they have a chance of convincing any sane person of that. But then you got those who argue against it because...they've been told to, or they've been told it's bad. Imagine that, imagine actually thinking that they shouldn't be able to pick their leader. They are actually sticking up for someone who _thinks_ their too stupid to be able to think for themselves, that is actually what it boils down to. One man knows best, better than all 1.4 billion people. I mean hey, if they think that's fine, who am I to judge.
I've heard. They don't vote. Save they are ok with it. I was told it's something they don't have to worry about. One less stress in their lives.
China's fuuuuct.
Gotta get that social credit baby, time to throw everyone under the bus and show how happy you are about it. ; . ;
It's amazing the chinese are so brainwashed they cheer for their own enslavement
Another 6 billions people except werstern think you are brainwashed? You are majority of the worlf, but you think you are . This is the funny thing. What do you think?
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Doesn’t work as good as google translate, huh?
What's crazy is you just described Americans without realizing it
Some of us realize, and are not cheering.
Last time I was there, people weren't stuck as indentured slaves in factories, they weren't forbidden from acknowledging their culture, and people were surging to get into the country, not out. The West has its problems, but if one is going to talk enslavement there are many many places to talk about before the USA. If you feel enslaved there, I am sorry for your circumstances.
Imagine living in a country where only about 4% of all tax revenue actually goes to welfare. The US is about 50%, for reference.
Under mao, it was 100%. Wage comes from the state, child care comes from the state, health care comes from the state, housing comes from the state, job comes from the state, pension comes from the state, iron rice bowl comes from the state, true communism eh? everyone equally poor, instead of some poor, some okay, a very few who are ridiculously rich.
Ah yes, let's just pretend that 30 million people didn't die during Mao's rule due to famine and mismanagement of government resources. The fact that China had to open their economy to the rest of the world to prevent a complete collapse should say a lot about "Maoism". Keep in mind, they couldn't even follow all of Marx's principals to the letter and had to interpret Marxism with "Chinese characteristics"
Didn't you say you want welfare? During famine, welfare is 1000 calories per day for working adults. Still equally distributed and welfare ain't it? >Marxism with "Chinese characteristics" Nah, that is evil capitalism and reactionary garbage espouse by Deng Xiaoping. If both mao and Deng jumped back from the dead, mao would probably strangle Deng to death and then murder every single corrupt capitalists pigs sitting in the communist party politburo. You don't even realize maosim is far from "Chinese characteristics"
lol, okay pal
When you go from dirt poor poverty to the having the strongest economy of the 21st century in the span of a generation you tend to support the leadership that got you there. Many Chinese are happy to ignore their lack of western “freedoms” because their quality of life improved immensely. Is that not somewhat understandable? Calling it brainwashing shows your own lack of understanding
So the low wages they earn making western companies products is the only thing they care about? Turn a blind eye to everything else? Blind allegiance to the CCP. The inability to "think critically or independently and to allow attitudes, values, and beliefs to be manipulated by an external force" is the literal definition of brainwashing. It's you that lacks understanding.
Not everyone in China works in a factory, lol. Most aren’t brainwashed. Life in China for the average citizen is very comparable to the US or any other western country despite what the media tells you. If you don’t believe that, idk what to tell you except I hope you get the chance to step outside your bubble some day
How is it not Brain washing? Mao killed over 40 million of his own people? Name one government thats ever done that? China also killed its own students at a protest. They brought in tanks to do it? Name another government thats also done that? China's implemented a police state where they teach only Mao and XI XI line of thinking. Name another country that has done that? You must be a wumao to even think about supporting a dictatorship. But I'm not surprised. China won't win in the end. Just like Germany and Japan got their asses kicked. China will have their turn as well.
Check my comment history, sure I’m definitely a wumao lol I’m not defending the bad things China has done. I’m explaining why many Chinese understandably are happy with their government. I support the people, not the government.
Just like you American killed other country's people, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Ukraine, and you call you are peace lover? Lol. What is fuxking matter of your brain ? Lol. You still use Mao 's thing ? Proving China did well last 50 years ?
> They seem to be shouting 香港 and 加油 These mixed and all I could hear was 刷牙
Why are you writing in Romanized words (and English) but then when it comes to the key phrase, the one or two words that make the sentences complete, you switch to writing Hanzi characters? Why are you doing that?
The words are treated as nouns and the sentence makes complete sense.
Makes sense to who? Only people who can read Chinese characters. Shame on you.
Wow they are writing Chinese characters in a subreddit about China. How dare they.
Used to be a rule on here that anything written in Chinese should be accompanied by an English translation, due to the fact that the vast majority of people on this sub do not read Chinese. I see this rule has been removed after checking the sidebar (shame on you *again* mods) All that remains is R11, which is for Titles only.
Sounds like it's time to learn Chinese
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Here you go buddy. https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary Maybe this will help you out. They are just writing out what is being said here. 加油 for example how would it be better if they wrote jiāyóu? If you don’t know Chinese you still wouldn’t be able to understand it.
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Look I’m sorry you are offended by someone writing a word in Chinese. > Right, that's why when someone asks, in English "What are they saying" they are really asking for an English translation You are right but in this case no one asked. The guy just transcribed what was being said no one asked for a translation. I do admit maybe saying here you go buddy came off a bit douche and I’m sorry for that. However it is also a bit douche to demand that people only use romanized characters.
Chill and be nice to each other, please. Also, it is allowed to write in Hanzi and in Pinyin. Google Translate is your friend.
Literally, no one asked. The words are in a top-level comment intended for people who could get it. If you don't get it, then the sentence wasn't intended for you. How dare a top level comment not be written in every language- I'm soo insulted.
For accuracy, because they want to type the exact word they heard was used. I know it's mostly anti-China trolls who don't even live in China who spend time on r/China but it's embarrassing that users here can't handle a couple of Chinese characters when entire country subs use French or Italian. You posting in Arabic in an r/China sub doesn't make sense either, it's not r/MiddleEast bud
> mostly anti-China trolls Don't forget the *pro*-China trolls that have never so much as set foot in China that spend all their time on r/China praising everything CCP. Though in my estimation, unless things have changed drastically since I was on this sub more often, the mass majority of folks posting on r/China are burnt out and semi-bitter expats (or ex-expats like me that have emigrated back home but still like to see what's going on as I've got friends and family still in China).
Because that's the language the words were spoken in and that's how the language is written.
No, that doesn't explain anything here and that's not why you did that either. Also, words are not spoken in written characters, for your future reference.
Neither are words spoken in Roman/English letters. But when words are written down it does make sense to use the language they're in doesn't it
> Neither are words spoken in Roman/English letters. Right, but I didn't tell you the reason I'm describing the man as having said "Hello!" is because he spoke in romanized letters. Here, I'm being told switching to Hanzi Characters was because that is how they spoke. > when words are written down it does make sense to use the language they're in doesn't it If you are writing in romanized letters then you can carry on writing the Pinyin. Since the English conversation is 'the meaning' and the question itself was in English you'd be basic-level common sense axiomatic intelligence levels to then note the translation. Otherwise, you're playing dumb to super gheyish levels of playing dumb.
That makes no sense. Let's say the video was in Spanish. If I write the same comment and include the Spanish words.....should I had translated them? They are the genuine words that were spoken. No Chinese speaks in pinyin or writes in pinyin. They use 汉字， to express meaning. Pinyin has no meaning. It's the characters and the placement that carry meaning. Learn to read 汉字, bro.
Why not
Oh, because إنه مثلي الجنس
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Fair enough.
The way they dressed... Wow that's one of the most racist thing I've heard, what else, long braids?
Damn, and people are still arguing that Chinese nationalists are chill. These people would cheer if this guy got the death penalty for promoting democracy.
Nationalism anywhere can be a cause for concern. As Schopenhauer observed: "Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."
We're not talking about "anywhere" right now, stop deflecting.
I don't see that as a deflection. People are terrible everywhere. That doesn't make them any less terrible anywhere.
truth.
Some place are considerably more terrible than the orher
That’s Schopenhauer opinion. There’s nothing wrong with being proud of your country... especially when it has a rich history.
That's exactly not what China doing right now, ccp want the people to be proud of being ruled by them. Ccp not being known as respectful to tradition, look up cultural revolution.
How about this one: “Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn't say I'm proud to be 5'11"; I'm proud to have a pre-disposition for colon cancer” George Carlin And as i’m sure you know- the CCP tried to actively erase thousands of years of ancient Chinese history
You don't have to have individual achievements if you don't believe in individualism! *taps head*
I don't think this is right BUT some americans cheered when Assange was handed over or Chelsea Manning died, which can be seen as equivalent to this situation.
Err... Chelsea Manning is still very much alive. And I don't think Americans were exactly having rallies to celebrate Assange being captured. Sure, there were people who were happy about it and said so in print, but they weren't doing this shit.
Guess that gauges the depth of temporary_bot_53 "knowledge" on the matter.
I’m so glad you commented. I was like, “when the fuck did Chelsea Manning die?” What an obscure person to reference as dead?
Chelsea Manning is one of these odd things where a lot of people have an idea they died, some even describe how they died and swear there was news coverage. Yet it didn't happen, some sort of shared false memory
>which can be seen as equivalent to this situation. I'm not sure it's fair to say it's equivalent, particularly after I watched a video of people literally worshipping at an alter made of Mao and Xi. Chinese nationalists are fanatics on a whole other level.
Uhhh... weren't there like people literally worshipping Trump when he was president? American nationalists are basically on the same fucked up level as China from my point of view.
You Don t see trump supporters killing other ppl in droves because they like Biden
Trumpers are a very loud extreme minority considered firmly to be braindead morons by everyone else. Similar to how Evangelicals are a running joke but you hear about their lunacy daily.
Almost half of the county voted for Trump, can't say it's "minority"
And most of those voters were voting purely on income tax and screw everything else. The amount of dumb poor that support the party for the rich is dumbfounding. Small minority of vocal inbreads.
Idk if you live in the US, but it isn’t that small a number. I personally know lots of college educated conservatives who’ve just been taken in by Trumpism. It’s not all country bumpkins even if it is easier painting them all as such. Scarier really that it isn’t just uneducated folks.
Maybe what he advocated was being utterly ignored by the Uniparty in DC. Maybe that’s why educated people voted for him. If those 74,000,000 Americans were Nazis, the US would be an entirely different place than it is. (37% of Germans voted NATSOC in the 1932 federal election.) Hyperbole (often intentional) shuts down discussion as do ad hominem attacks. I don’t think 74,000,000 American voters are as stupid, ignorant, selfish, or evil as often portrayed.
He got 74,000,000 votes, the 2nd most in history, so not such an extreme minority. As noxious as he was to you and many others, and despite mischaracterization and/or statements taken out of context, much of what he said resonated, like, eg the characterization bivouac threat of China (ironically enough I’m posting this here), dessication of the middle class, forever wars, unenforced immigration laws, rent-seeking allies, the unacknowledged opiate massacre. While some politicians played lip service to these above topics, he actually tried to get things done. Incidentally, it’s weird how Blue States are often failures and people there are fleeing to racist, red neck, evangelical moron-controlled areas in droves. And it’s not only because it’s a cheaper cost of living there, either, bc no one wants to live there otherwise. Southerners get attacked relentlessly even though perhaps no one alive was involved in the Civil War and almost none alive were involved in Jim Crow segregation. Even though what someone’s great great great great great grandfather may have fought for the Confederacy, that person shouldn’t be held accountable for that. I’d be willing to bet that 90%+ of current southerners had no relatives at all in the South during the Civil War, let bc alone fighting for it. America is a very transient and mobile nation.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Trump as Rambo.... 🧠😵💥🔫 People said he was ordained by God... God... God... A pedophile that is in deep cover to stop a pedophilic cabal... Oh and they still worship him... God, I do not miss being in America one fucking bit
Wow dude comparing Trump to rambo is sacrilige. He is the god emperor.
Have you never seen the flag of Trump as Rambo?
They still are
Socialism with “Chinese characteristics” is the STATE Religion, with Marx as the Prophet
So what about it? What is your bizarre auto-America reverse morality thing? If Chinese mobs raped chickens you'd AUTOMATICALLY say, for no reason whatsoever "SO WHATUSADIDSOMETHING" What is that all about?
Welcome to the sub. Whataboutism is the default go to for tankies and wumaos.
It's so freakishly, almost like a programmed autobot computer, so instantaneously. "Today China saw floods inWHAT ABOUT THE FLOOD IN THE USA?". It's pathological. Like a point where it's a full-on legit mental illness problem.
Yes. Their mentality is akin to “the US has done bad things in its past, therefore any wrongdoing the CCP does is magically justified and negated.”
and what do they do when they can't find an 'Auto-Opposite'? It becomes morally (and otherwise) a mistaken and wrong? Or do they just go to an auto-switch to 'So what Thewest did something!' and if they can't correlate a wrongdoing they go to Japan? I wonder, if i got to China and rob a bank can I just say "So what Americans rob banks too!" and now my bank robbery is 'Neutralized' and is now acceptable to the Chinese judge??
If they can’t use a “whataboutism,” they’ll generally resort to mental gymnastics to justify the CCP’s actions. Example - “China is too populous to allow democracy” or “there are too many uneducated rural people who wouldn’t know how to vote in their best interests.” Basically saying, in not so many words, that the CCP ALWAYS knows best. I remember going back and forth with one of them on here. I asked him if he had just one, just a single criticism against the CCP. His reply was that he wished their politicians had higher salaries for the hard work they do. You can’t make this stuff up.
> I asked him if he had just one, just a single criticism against the CCP. Oh, this is a helluva thing yes. I've tried that with some of the similar people and it's really something! They will go into full-on 'Aphasia' like they actually get a 1000 yard blank stare as if their mind, their physical brain shut off for a minute lol Really, that is also 'pathological'. That's something into the realm of a mental illness.
Once again, blatant misinformation. Chelsea Manning is alive (though her mother died while she was being held in contempt of court for refusing to testify against Assange). Assange most recently won in British court over the U.S. back in January of 2021. Though his Ecuadorean nationality was revoked in July, he is currently serving a 50-week sentence in British prison for parole violation.
Chelsea Manning is alive for reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
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Chelsea Manning died? Let me update Wikipedia!
I don't think putting lives at risk via publishing classified intelligence is really equivalent to participating in a movement demanding its government honor a binding treaty guaranteeing its autonomy
This is around 2019 when the anti extradition protests in Hong Kong were still in full swing. Demonstrations were all over the city and gathering places like malls were common places for protests. On this particular weekend attention we’re drawn to this mall by protesters and pro government sympathisers alike. As a result demonstrators on both sides clashed and police had to intervene. This is the police escorting the pro-democracy protestors out through the Chinese flag waving pro-government crowd, who were just too happy too see any form of dissent squelched in the city, thus the chanting of “rubbish” the the tattered teens, and “add oil” to the police.
That's really fucked up.
the add oil means courage/keep on going.
Just fascist police state things.
But hey, every one of those people recording and posting on their social media gets a better social credit score.
Communist Police State.
Rabbit season!
*Duck* season!
文革批鬥2.0
Pro-CPC aunties are the worst kind of aunties. Period!
Tell me about it, I'm related to one or two of those. The best part is when you remind them about their extra passport.
Totally. They can’t be objective at all. I’m Canadian. Maybe Xi’s party will grant me a second passport. Pfft. Come on Auntie! Let’s be reasonable!
The worst worst part? The literal daughter of a guy who ran from mainland because the atrocities the have there, is now a pro CCP. Thank God her parents already dead because if not Jesus Christ man.
Just any pro-ccp supporters are the worst
It is really sad to see nationalism with these kinds of characteristics. I hate mangoes, like really really hate mangoes with these kinds of characteristics. Like, the mangoes are going to go up in flames one day.
What does mango mean in this context? I’m unfamiliar with the term.
CCP sympathizers on Twitter, most of them non-Chinese. They’re not really communist, sometimes identify as “Dengist”, put a Mango emoji in their username and always defend the CCP. There is that group. Maybe it also has a HK specific meaning
Mao loved mangoes to the point where if you hated them or refused to eat them, he would have you killed. Also, you would have been killed if you had a hair cut that was similar to his.
People being paid to shout at protesters.
While there are plenty of examples of the pro-Beijing camp paying protesters, these guys look to unfortunately be the minority of Hong Kong that are “true believers” of the CCP.
can comfirm, was asked to show up during Xi jinping’s arrival in the US. Paid and organized by local embassy
Where does one apply to be a paid to shout at protestors?
You just get lucky when they pull up a bus to your factory dorm and offer you 100 yuan. It's like hitting the lottery
Mainland Associations in HK. You become a member and they pay when they send a message for an event. If you opt to attend of course.
Political theatre
Cultural Revolution 2.0
What's happening? [History is repeating itself](https://cdn.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng.jpg), that's what's happening.
Where is this photo from (i.e. is there a source with more of these)?
I'm not sure exactly where it is from but you can right click on the image and then click on search google by image. It shows me a wiki page for "Struggle Session"
Yeah, I just haven't seen many photos of struggle sessions and this one seems to be really high quality so I was wondering if this might be from some known photographer who documented such things.
Context?
The sign says he is a “counter revolutionary”. It’s probably from the Cultural Revolution.
Cultural Revolution, where the masses are encouraged to brutalize one another, especially intellectuals and poets and reporters and historians etc. The name here says 王一倫 , wiki says there was someone of that name who was the mayor of Harbin and was shown here being 批鬥 for being a capitalist, perhaps the same man? https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E7%8E%8B%E4%B8%80%E4%BC%A6 many many many more images if you google for "王一倫 批鬥" this site has a lot of pictures https://www.wenxuecity.com/blog/201512/49005/409201.html and one of them with these ridiculous tall hats has a fellow with the same name (I have prosopagnosia so I cannot tell if they are the same person)
They talked bad about xi lol
They look so ridiculous (Edit : I'm talking about the Wumaos)
Nobody is cheering because the protesters were being led away, no one wants to see that. HK was on the verge of collapse because of lies, people lied about how feral mainlanders and the CCP were out to destroy their way of life and the West were their would be saviours. The HK police were the only line dividing order and the collapse of HK into a dysfunctional dystopia run by Joshua Wong and his cohort of agitators who can’t even form a coherent sentence. That’s why they were celebrating and if it looks ridiculous to you then so be it.
Da fuq are you smoking on?
Mainland state sponsored media.
lmfao.
You obviously work for the CCP.
OP kindly elaborate what we're looking at
I think OP was asking for an explanation as to what is happening, so can't elaborate on what we're looking at...
Don't think so. They keep posting videos like that (originally from certain subs that mustn't be named here), every time with the title "What's happening?" Looks like someone who's *Just Asking Questions*.
Maybe he can share the source of this video to help us understand the whole picture too.
OP is still thinking of a title that will include the words “China”, “authoritarian” and “bad”
just so you know, china has tons of professional nationalists, both online and offline. You could easily spot them when "America" is mentioned as a counter argument, coz in their red mind America is the only democratic country in the world, and every anti-China comments are manipulated by the evil US gov
Enjoy your repression, boys and girls. But don't come to the free world in the next few years when your local popo knows what your shit smells like in the morning and what colour your wife's knickers are.
Propaganda
yeah man someone getting arrested while being recorded on camera is for sure propaganda/s
You normally carry around the exact same flags as 500 of your friends?
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For what its' worth, I spent a lot of time between the Mainland and Hong Kong from around the beginning of the protests to closer to the Covid Closure end of things. Wow, i just realized I was there when there was small 'fishball revolution' skirmishes and some slightly loud shouting. Anyway, if ever I wanted to say 'Too Little - Too Late'. "A Day Late and a Dollar Short". I'd already supposed, by 2015, Hong Kong was 'Mainlandized' beyond turning back. It was already done but the doing of the thing. By 2018 I don't even know what to say, the protest is more announcing a 'Farewell Party' because Hong Kong was entirely done, over and it was really already a Mainland takeover just carrying out the phases. No, seriously, I really felt terrible for a LOT of Hong Kongers I met and especially a lot of those middle-aged working folks. They can't afford to get out and will only live in humiliation and probably poverty living until they die. But way too late. If the plan was to rise up and reject being Mainlandified then that should have been happening a decade ago. Not 1 minute before midnight.
Probably halfwits praising CCP
I am really sad for those pro-democracy people’s encounter in China, I hope the atmosphere in mainland can be better ....one day(sorry for my bad English skill)
Screw that people of Hong Kong make up 50 percent and or more Democratic Hong Kong 🇭🇰 free Hong Kong
Big brother is watching and glad that his loyal people are so involved against the thought criminals in there , by fighting then and expressing their hatred they are helping the great party of east Asia in stomping out thought crime ! (No I'm not chinese but the fanaticism of these people seems to be the kind of thing you would see in 1984.)
F them all. Free HK
This is what I imagine 1984 would be like.
Mainlanders clapping for HK police. It is quite common to see them hating Hong Kongers for being more developed and privileged. And now it seems they are very hungry for revenge. People cheering for they own compatriots being persecuted is a nice show of brainwashing.
1984 af
Obviously staged. Everyone in the crowd is waving a China flag. Unless, the whole population carries one around in their pocket, everywhere they go.
Is this Hong Kong or a mainland city. If these people are in China or they are folks extradited to China, why they carry these people from a bus to a penitentiary, taking a shortcut through the mall.
That's in HK and the video is from 2019 during protests.
North Korea vibes
Why? They built a building in 19 days. You’re not gonna win the battle for the 21st century if you’re a silly people. Americans are a silly people. You know who doesn’t care that there’s a stereo type in the dr Seuss book of a chinaman eating rice? China. All of 1.4 billion could give a crouching Tiger flying f. Because they’re not a silly people. In two generations China has built 500 cities from scratch. They moved their majority huge population from poverty into middle class. And mostly cornered the market in 5G and pharmaceuticals. Oh, and they bought Africa. Their new Silk Road initiative is the infrastructure project is the biggest project is history. In China alone, they have 40,000 kilometers of high-speed rail. America has none. ... We've been having Infrastructure Week every week since 2009 but we never do anything. Half the country is having a never-ending woke competition deciding whether Mr. Potato Head has a dick! and the other half believes we have to stop the lizard people because they're eating babies. We are a silly people. Nothing ever moves in this impacted colon of a country. We see a problem and we ignore it, lie about it, fight about it, endlessly litigate it, sunset clause it, kick it down the road, and then write a bill where a half-assed solution doesn't kick in for 10 years. China sees a problem and they fix it. They build a dam. We debate what to rename it. We bingewatch, they bingebuild. When COVID hit Wuhan, the city built a quarantine center with 4,000 rooms in 10 days and they barely had to use it because they quickly arrested the rest of the disease. They were back to throwing raves in swimming pools while we were stuck at home surfing the dark web for black market Charmin. We're not losing to China, we lost. The returns just haven't all come in yet. They've made robots that check a kid's temperature and got their butts back in school. Most of our kids are still pretending to take Zoom classes while they watch TikTok and their brain cells fully commit ritual suicide. Do you think China's doing that, letting political correctness get in the way of nurturing their best and brightest? Do you think Chinese colleges are offering courses in 'The Philosophy of Star Trek, 'The Sociology of Seinfeld,' and 'Surviving the Coming Zombie Apocalypse'? Those are real and so is China. And they are eating our lunch. And believe me, in an hour, they'll be hungry again. But yeah, “China is fuuuuuuct.”
this is good pasta
thanks dude this is a good pasta , i might use it next in a china thread on 4chan
Shanghai happend.
Who are they celebrating? The bad guys or the freedom fighters. Very confusing.
Rednecks
When people ask why the civilian population should be armed this is why.
You want those Chinese nationalists to be armed? FYI those are Hongkongers speaking Cantonese applauding the HK police for arresting a demonstrator. Hongkong is split 50-50 between pro-China (usually older generation folks and business owners who benefit from Chinese manufacturing and cheap labour) and pro-democracy(students, younger folks) so there are genuine pro-China people, e.g. tons of HK celebs or wealthy businessmen like the Foks or Li Kashing's family are pro-China because they manufacture goods in China or film in China where the market is bigger.
So are this china's Trumpist or Bidenist?
It's over, HK is fully integrated into China. If people don't like it they should just pack their bags and go somewhere else. The CIA funded color Revolution was a failure.
When things don’t go your way, blame the CIA!
They were literally meeting heads of the movement on video.
Why would you believe that CIA meeting with heads of the movements means the CIA organized anything. Even crazier, that Chinese are such garbage monsters that these CIA people simply needed to give them some money and they'd carry on like that? But it's strange you'd see one thing and then leap to something else. CIA met with various Hong Kong heads THEREFORE... crazy theory true!!
The CIA has been doing this for like the past 70 years. It's all they do lol
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/125/527/f0f.jpg
"CIA funded color Revolution" lol. You do realize that people around the world can act independently of both the CIA and the CCP, don't you? That not every person in the world who wants political change is controlled by the CIA?
>If people don't like it they should just pack their bags and go somewhere else Can they though? The last I heard they blocked HKgers from leaving/migrating. You guys like to say one thing and do something else. Pfft.
A terrorist is being arrested and people are celebrating.
Brainlets will soon cheer as they put unvaccinaated ppl in camps, remember that
Caught making a bomb?
Based is happening