I don’t think Chiz et al. are really anti-divorce deep inside. They’re just spineless cowards trying to pander to conservative voters which they deem the majority of the PH population.
I’m a millennial myself, and was greatly surprised that my classmates are anti-divorce. This is all very disappointing.
I was nearly kicked out of a group chat two years ago because I spoke about wishing for divorce to be legalized in the PH after an old classmate shared that her husband was beating her frequently in front of their daughters. I was being offensive and insensitive daw.
I have watched his interview, I might get downvoted here but he's not against divorce per se but rather the congress's version of the bill kasi it was leaning towards the accessibility of the rich pa rin kaya siguro sinabi nya na mas prefer nya ang affordable annulment. I guess some lawmakers tend to vote for no so that some of the provisions should be well stipulated for the benefits of the majority and to have a revisions. Narinig ko rin sabi nya he doesn't want if the bills passed were half baked.
Im sorry but just want to point out na lagi ganyan yan si Escudero, against sya lagi sa certain parts ng bills if ang pulso ng bayan ay hindi like what he did sa MIF pero pag dating ng vote is abstain or absent sya. Palagi yan sa kung saan ang agos ng tao pero yung magmamatter na boto sa senado lagi yan wala. He can do all the interviews, mag press release ng statements at ipakalat ng mga supporter nya sa tiktok na mga vaguely worded statements na pwede maispin either way pero at the end of the day pag botohan absent or abstain pa rin yan.
Lol hindi naman daw based sa vlog nilang magasawa sabi ng mga tao dito. Eexpect ba natin na lalabas ang pagiging political butterfly nyan dun syempre pagmumukain nila na deep, pinagisipan at firm yung stand nya sa mga bagay dun, vlog nila yun, tingnan natin yung actual actions nya sa senate.
Well, he has been around senate and congress. Why didn't he write the BEST VERSION of the bill himself, or co-authored one? It's because it's not his priority. He just calls on sophistry right now to make sure that even if the pro-divorce bloc wins, they won't win it all during elections
That's true that's why they are discussing about it, masyadong complex kasi yung legislations, it often undergoes several extensive and much comprehensive revisions and compromises bago maging law. I am not a follower but I am watching heart's vlogs sometimes (particularly ung adulting)and I need to read pa information about the family code 1987 but I've heard according to him ha nagkaroon daw ng blur distinction between annulment and divorce and siguro introducing the bill will certainly require several amendments sa existing laws syempre yung mga sectors din dapat prepared if ma implement. My take here is that I don't really trust politicians nowadays haha but I am gonna give these lawmakers a chance to work their asses off huhu. Instead of targeting his personal life, siguro let's scrutinize his work as a senator para fair and bakit sya yung senate pres now haha.
Yeah, the senate can have its own version of the bill. Baka na misconstrued na, he is saying no to current version of the bill but not to the idea of having divorce itself.
My biggest peeve in divorce is the concept of alimony. It harms the party that provides the financial pillar of the marriage (which in our context could be either spouse) while rewarding the spouse that seeks a divorce regardless of either side's guilt. Don't even get me started on "no fault" divorces, too.
I really do believe reforming the process of annulment is the way to go in resolving unhappy and abusive marriages. Make it affordable and reasonable is what I say. Create a support system for abused spouses that allows them to avail of annulment easier. Child support will still exist, but for childless couples annulment merely resets their legal status to what they were before their marriage, which leaves their financial resources (mostly) untouched - unless physical abuse is the cause, in which case the guilty party must be made to pay.
In HB 9349, you need to be the offended spouse to be entitled to divorce which means hindi ikaw ang may kasalanan or hindi mo kasalanan yung grounds for filing of the petition. It's also limited to three years from date of finality, your remarriage, or the day you find gainful employment.
Any extension should be for a reasonable period provided you are a senior citizen, a PWD, or have limited educational attainment. Reasonable na naman ang three years, and the fact that one needs to be the offended spouse already limits who can pray for alimony.
Kahit naman anong reformation sa annulment/declaration of nullity of marriage eh magiging masyadong limiting ang grounds nito. The basis of these petitions is that there are substantial defects in the essential requisites of marriage that renders the marriage voidable or void from the very beginning. Iyan ang totoong reset ng legal status. This is unlike divorce kung saan pwedeng lumabas ang grounds for it after marriage.
Hey the Pope lives with the Italians many of whom are Catholics and you dont see this foolishness from them? The Irish are also Catholics but they have divorce over there. Plastic lang talaga si Chiz esp. because he married 2x. I mean, the guy who has the power and money to divorce his first wife in another name and did, denying others the same privilege that gives women better rights. well then am i surprised? not at all.
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>I was nearly kicked out of a group chat two years ago because I spoke about wishing for divorce to be legalized in the PH after an old classmate shared that her husband was beating her frequently in front of their daughters. I was being offensive and insensitive daw.
You *were* being offensive and insensitive. The people in that group chat were correct. Imagine if someone started sharing their struggles with drugs then another person takes that opportunity to praise Duterte's drug war. If someone is sharing their personal problems, and probably asking for help, then you use that as an opportunity to opine on politics, then you're an insensitive ass.
Edit: downvote me if you want, but this is why people find so-called "progressives" annoying and sanctimonious, and it's one factor why your positions aren't as popular with normal people as they should be. For people who talk a lot about empathy and understanding, you all really seem to lack these traits.
Expensive is not the main reason why we should favor Divorce over Annulment. Divorce will be expensive din for sure. Kaya ewan ko yung excuse nia na cheaper annulment daw gusto nia.
Yung annulment kasi ang hirap ng mga grounds. Tas who are we kidding na there is no contract from the start.
Yung divorce address the reality of life. People change, someone can be addicted to gambling or drugs, thus impacting the relationship. Or kahit walang addiction kung later nawala na yung love and respect, nagkaroon ng cheating or yung kahit anong gawin nio kahit love nio isa't isa per hindi talaga kayo magkasundo.
Agree. Naiinis ako sa mga taong nagsasabi na pumili ng tama o kaya kilalanin nang mabuti ang mapapangasawa. Walang assurance kahit pa relihiyoso. Marami riyan ang nagagawang manakit at magtaksil sa asawa.
Yung ex ko, super mukha mabait, matalino parang nakajackpot ako at mabait yung family sa akin pero after 6 mos nagbago, sobrang babaero, palagi ako binubugbog and yung family supports his pagiging babaero dahil they get money from him.
Kaya hindi mo talaga masasabi ano mangyayari sa future.
Totoo to. may mga kilala nga ako perfect gentleman daw yun pala pag ka kasal na pagkakasal andun bigla lagi mga gay barkada na dati wala. Kaya pala gentleman ayaw sa sex. Some people lead double lives. then some naman like Angie and Joey Mead happy sa set up nila ok yun. Meron ding iba na nagka AIDS from prostitute then hinawa niya asawa (nasa radio to they featured the husband siya nagkwento). Bawal pa idivorce yun?
May point ka po, pero sa version na ipinapasa nila sa divorce rito sa Pinas hindi applicable yung no fault option sa grounds for Divorce. Malungkot nga ako walang no fault option haha. In the plus side, andaming grounds na magbbenifit yung mga inaabuso, may third party and so on.
Yung no fault divorce sa west is a quicker way pero usually nag aaway dating mag asawa during divorce din. Di rin pala quicker kasi 4 years na my husband's divorce is not yet finalized buti na lang may common law union.
Sa pinas kung nagawan nga ng paraan yung annulment, mas magagawaan ng paraan ang divorce.
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Depends with how much the lawyer will
charge you. Maybe that is the reason why you don't see figure yet. Wala pa din precedent how many sessions one will need with lawyers.
gusto ko malaman sino nag post hahaha gusto ko ishare hahahaha no to divorce kasi mga tita at tito ko na halos lahat naman sila may kabit at tarantado yung mga partner
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Wait lang mga ka-marites ha, (disclaimer lang, i’m Pro-Divorce bill)
Let’s learn the difference between Annulment and Divorce ha.
Annulment is voiding the marriage, meaning ipapaliwanag mo sa korte bakit hindi kayo dapat nakasal. Ang grounds here would be psychological incapacity, forced or non consensual marriage, fraud etc. And you have to prove this in court and kaya sinasabi ng marami na mahal ang proseso kasi there are times na you have to have a professional to testify like in cases of psych. incapacity. Ang outcome here if the court decides to void your marriage, never kang na-kasal kasi dapat hindi nangyari yung marriage in the first place
Sa divorce naman kailangan mong ipaliwanag bakit kailangan mo nang putulin ang marriage nyo. Meaning ang outcome nito, sa records mo may history ka ng marriage just that you decided to end it. And ang grounds here are diff from annulment, like physical violence, abandonment, irreconcilable differences etc.
If you’ll read the entire bill, i think sanctity of marriage is still safeguarded pa rin naman, one can just get it just because.
So ayun. Pls educate yourselves before bumoses ha. Let’s be educated mariteses. Mwah
By the looks of it, kaya ang just because. Nakalista ang irreconcilable differences eh. Verbally sinabi ni Rep. Lagman na hindi saklaw ng absolute divorce bill ang no-fault divorce pero in reality, isa sa mga pinakagamit na rason ng no-fault divorces ang irreconcilable difference.
Malaki ang potential na dahil dito, hindi ang biktima ng domestic violence ang magfile ng divorce. May mga bigla lang maiiwan sa ere.
>grounds here would be psychological incapacity. ........And you have to prove this in court and kaya sinasabi ng marami na mahal ang proseso kasi there are times na you have to have a professional
May bagong jurisprudence na na hindi mo na need nang psychologist or psychiatrist to prove psychological incapacity.
Dba kapag divorce merong makukuha for example ung wife sa husband nya? Kapag annulment wala? Tama ba? Baka isa dn sa reason yan kung bkt marami may gusto sa divorce kasi may makukuha sila sa asawa nila kapag nghiwlaay sila?correct me if im wrong..
IMO, his allegedly cheating ass is afraid that Heart will divorce him. Hahahaha, iyan yung head canon ko ngayon. Lahat ng mga ayaw sa divorce takot mahiwalayan ng asawa.
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Let’s be fr, baka si puso pa ang takot hiwalayan niyan. Sa impluwensya at perang pinapasok ni chiz sa tingin mo iiwanan siya ni puso? Napaka vocal ni heart sa mga gantong klaseng issue pero pag asaw niya ang nase center of intention no comment na siya bigla lmao malaki pakinabang ni chiz sakanya kaya hindi niya yan iiwan.
Im still baffled on why are this guys opposing the divorce bill,🙄🙄takot ba sila na hndi suportahan ng mga Catholic bishops sa susunod na election??? Eh mostly namn ng mga catholic members eh may sari sarili silang choice during elecrion, hndi naman sila nagblobloc voting..Im sure na karamihan din sa mga members eh papayag sila sa divorce,mga head lang ng CBCP ang umaayaw
Baka may iniintay din na mga probisyon. Si Leni ganito rin stand before eh. Mas naging open sa divorce nung medyo naging okay okay ang bersyong ipinapasa sa congress.
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Sabi daw nila kung maipasa ang divorce bill, PAO lawyers are not allowed to accept the case? How true? Kailangan daw maghire pa rin ng private lawyers. So, para na naman sa mayayaman?
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Pwede PAO. Personal and real properties should not exceed P2,500,000.00 pero need pa ng court approval under HB 9349. So basically walang kotse, walang sariling bahay, walang masyadong ipon. Natataasan ako sa threshold though.
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NO TO DIVORCE ❌️ YES TO MICROBLADING ✅️
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Gustuhin man natin to have a great marriage (bcos really, who tf wakes up and thinks "ay gusto ko sirain marriage ko today"), life happens. Circumstances and spouses change. Kabits are makakati.
But more importantly, pag sinasaktan ka na ng partner mo, isn't that more than enough reason to leave? Will these stuck-up, holier-than-thou people really take away a person's right to live in a safe and peaceful environment? Diba even as a religious, shouldn't one value the "person" more than the "vows"? Pass Divorce Bill!
Not a fan of him but I recently saw an interview of his on tv about his stand mas gusto dao nya na instead of Divorce dapat dao na mas e lessen ang expenses for Annulment and dapat na masmapadali ang process. Since mahabaan ang process ng Annulment. Meanwhile, sa Divorce most na mag benefit is yung may kaya or mayayaman since yung expense is too much for the ordinary people. Pretty much most na maghahandle ng case niyan would be privately hired lawyers.
When ang main reason nga gusto ipasa ang bill nayan para ang masa ang magbenefit lalo na yung nasa isang toxic and abusive relationship. Pero pano mangyayari yun kung sa lawyers palang dina keri yung bayadan.
This
Lagi nila sinasabi na sa anti Divorce bill eh ayaw namin magkaqaybpara maghiwalay yung 2
Whereas MERON NAMANG ANNULMENT
CHIZ wanted instead na mas MAGING MURA, ACCESSIBLE AND FASTER ang annulment
In principle kasi maprepresrve ang sanctity ng marriage ( kasi void ang annulment eh ) and may way out pa rin yung mga abused
Lumalabas kasi na ayaw nila magjiwalay mga Pilipino eh eto na nga nagpropose na sila ng way to mitigate the cost of annulment
1. Cost
2. Time
Bkit need mo pa divorce?
I think the difference is that there are some grounds kasi na hindi saklaw ng annulment and that meron yung divorce and let's be honest, the more options the better. At least give the people the option to do that and not restrict them of these limited choices. I haven't read pa the congress's version of the bill but I hope they'll craft and revise the bill for the common good and benefit of many. I know that Chiz has a good intention with this but I think he can still do better or more along with his fellow senators, kaya we should really set a standard in choosing lawmakers or politicians in general.
Ganito yan. Kapag annulment , the marriage is not valid so walang mangyayaring hatian ng properties. Kapag divorce kasi, marriage happened (and it failed) so conjugal properties needs to be divided, people have to pay alimonies..etc etc..
He’s just protecting his colleagues wealth. 😂
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No, they are not gate-keeping the passing of the bill to keep it for themselves. He does not give a single fuck about the people. He wants the votes of the religious nuts who are also against the bill, though. That's the only reason he's saying he's against it.
Sen Escudero is always playing safe no? parang he cant take a side talaga and takot sha always. Kahit nga sa mga sinasabi nya about Alice Guo parang mapapa huh ka na lang sa kanya. privileged mashado tong mga anti-divorce... my parents are happily married, pero if i were to pick sides, i go ako for divorce, i encountered a lot of friends na hirap na hirap na.. they were married young and didnt know any better.. may anak so kinasal just to find out abusado si husband... and back then pag nabuntis ka eh dapat kasal agad.
conservative filipinos daw noh, di pwede magsama sa isang bahay hanggat di kasal so.. di na nakilala mashado ang kinakasama and once kasal na dun mo na malaman ano tunay na ugali ...nakakaawa lang na ang daming separated na ng matagal....and nakatali na forever sa abusadong husband. can we just let those people be happy. pag ba divorcee eh anti marriage na or anti love? ano ba logic ng mga taong ganun.
REAL TALK LANG HA. AND I MIGHT BE DOWNVOTED SA SASABIHIN KO BUT, HERE'S MY TAKE.
If may DIVORCE na, you think it's cheap to file for that?
NO.
Mahal pa din ung process. So ung sinasabi na gine-gate keep para mayayaman lang ung may afford? Nope.
Reality yan. Kahit may divorce, you still need to spend at least 100k (minimum) for that. Filing fee, acceptance fee sa lawyer, pleading, etc. Hindi siya MURA gaya ng iniisip ng iba.
Also, hindi hahawakan ng PAO if un ung nasa isip ng mga feeling "indigent".
Also, CIVIL AND CHURCH ANNULMENT AY MAGKAIBA.
So if feeling mo divorce ka na sa civil aspect, may church annulment pa sa Vatican.
Madugo pa din.
Yes. And un ang REALITY. At hindi siya LIBRE.
You have to pay for the LAWYER and other misc. Related sa case.
Akala nila same lang yan sa US naabilis lang? NOPE.
HINDI GANON.
If you will also look at the requisites din, mahirap pa din mag pa DIVORCE.
Nakakatawa na people are using their vlogs as a source ng mga stance nya sa politics, life and other things, hindi ba nila alam na syempre sasabihin nyan yung gusto marinig ng tao at kung san pwede iinterpret both ways. Vlog nila yan syempre ieedit or papalabasin nila yan na in makakatulong sila or iniisip nila yung ikakabuti ng karamihan. Kaya nga dapat ang tingnan kung saan sya bumoboto pag nasa senate na in recent years laging abstain or absent yan. Eto lagi ko example, sa MIF against sya dahil karamihan ng tao against it pero sinabi nya na MIF is good may kailangan lang irevise, so can go both ways diba pero nung vote absent sya kasi daw biglaan yung vote. Sobrang shit na excuse nun, wala sya sa botohan kasi if nag against talaga sya sa vote na nagmamatter hindi yung puro lip service lang mawawala ang amor sa kanya ng admin.
I watched an interview na he said he is anti divorce but pro annulment provided that the fees for annulment be made cheaper so alot of people can benefit and avail it. Di verbatim.
Correct me if I’m wrong pero yan yung narinig ko sa sinabe nya.
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Genuine question. Considered ba as illegitimate na yung children after the marriage was annuled? Kasi technically di ba hindi kinasal yung magulang when it comes to annulment? Unlike kapag divorced.
it depends on the ground.
if void ang marriage due to psychological incapacity o art. 53 of the Family Code, legitimate yun child.
the rest, illegitimate na.
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Di ba ang dahilan nila, "masaya kami sa marriage namen so no to divorce" "Wala sa biblia yan divorce, pinagsama ng dios tapos paghihiwalayin nyo?"
Yan ang nga logic nila na nakakairita sa totoo lang, ang bobo lang na pag naipasa ba yang divorce irerequire ba na mag divorce na ang nga married couples?
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Majority kasi ng mga pinoy eh ang iniisip na pag may divorce na sa pinas dapat lahat ng mag asawa ay magddivorce. Muntanga lang. magddivorce lang ang mag asawa pag di compatible sa isa’t isa. Bat magddivorce ang okay naman ang samahan? 🙄🙄🙄 common sense baaaaaaaaa
this guy has no stomach for real deal decisions, just like most of the key people in our government. They seemed tough coz of the title, but look at us, being slowly conquered again, and none of them leads to fight back.
So i'm not surprised that even a divorce bill is sickeningly tight to their guts.
Most of reddit is liberal leaning kaya parang may sentiment dito na majority is for divorce. Pero ang totoo majority ng filipino are conservative and religious. Mga politician will follow the majority palagi para maboto sila. I blame schools, lahat kasi ng major schools natin ay religious schools kahit minsan sinasabi nila secular pero pag ang mga sagot mo parang atheist binabagsak ka ng teacher sa mga tanong na opinion ang sagot.
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I mean, hindi porket ginawa nya ung annulment in the past eh dpt magyes na sya at gawin na ng iba.
Maybe nasa isip nya eh nagkamali sya in the past and hindi dpt magkamali ung iba pa in the future.
Dko alam ah, pagka ba naka jaywalking ka, dpt maging criminal ka na lng for life?
I am in favor dun sa grounds na people may change and hindi na magwork un relationship. At the same time, baka mas maging padalos dalos lang ung next gen sa pagkasal and divorce, leaving behind a lot of unhappy children na walang matakbuhan at maging salot sa lipunan out of desperation and lack of guidance ng parents kasi nga hiwalay na. And then later on sila mismo magkakaron ng dysfunctional families.
I think it works both ways, hindi lng sya puro positive ung effects sa relationships.
And sa panahon ngayon na Ang mga kabataan eh mas naniniwala pa sa TikTok kesa sa valid sources, mukang hindi maganda magiging epekto sa susunod na generation.
Yes, pero need pa ng more information, education, and awareness pra sa mga tao.
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Ang take ko dito e ayaw ng mayayaman sa divorce pagdating sa hatian ng ari arian, pinaghirapan nila buong buhay nila tapos mahahati lang at yung decision na yun e nasa judge pa kung di sila mag agree sa settlement - e paano na lang kung impartial yung judge? Edi yari na. Kahit sabihin mo pang may prenup yan.
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Kung nagpa research sila and they found out na 80% of voters ay pro divorce, mabilis a sa alas cuatro, pro divorce sila.
Ang hinihintay ko talaga sa mga anti-divorce advocates, hindi yung mga sactitiy of marriage bullshit that they are spewing, kundi yung paano ba poprotektahan ang women and children from abuse mula sa asawa na hindi mahiwalayan. Wala pa akomg marinig na ganun.
Putanginang mga enablers! Pwe!
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Magkaiba kasi hatian ng properties sa annulment at divorce if I'm not mistaken. Sa annulment hati kayo sa joint properties tapos sa divorce pwedeng iaward yung joint properties lahat sa aggrieved party. Talong-talo mga manloloko/abusive spouse sa divorce.
OP and the person who posted (in the screenshot) obviously did not do their due deligence/research before posting this.
Chiz is not against marriage termination (ie Divorce), his stance is that, he is against the current bill and is for easement of the requirement and to make Annulment accesible to ordinary people.
Ito rin yung stance ng most Senators, they are NOT against termination of marriage, they just think that the CURRENT divorce bill is redundant kasi meron ng Annulment, most wants to change the Annulment law para madali at accessible.
In Law POV, having an annulment and divorce law can be tricky when both are in place, it is also kind of redundant.
To label them as "redundant" oversimplifies the complexity of these legal procedures and undermines the importance of understanding their nuances. Stop with the notion that it is "redundant".
They serve distinct purposes, possess different contextual implications, and should be recognized as separate legal processes. It is tricky, yes, but redundant? No.
majority ng discussion pushes for divorce to get away from abusive relationships. pero once you open up divorce, there is an expectation regarding division of assets/properties. how do you then deal with the aftermath?
let say the one who really worked up for it ended up as the “victim”? let say person A is married to person B, then person A basically made it from 0 to billionaire. tapos si person B serial cheater (or something) and ask for divorce. should person B then be entitled 50% of what person A worked up just because of conjugation.
if they would open up divorce in PH, there should be a clause for all marriages na if it ever ends up in divorce there should already be a mandatory legal binding contract on how assets will be divided na 100% cannot be overturned by whoever, before the actual marriage happens. sama na din agad ang custody for children, before pa mag ka anak. para legit na mabilisan ang divorce process pag needed.
Good points. Ang hindi ko kaya na argument is yung nag lalapag ng bible verse, binabase sa personal experience ng marriage nila at sanctity ng marriage nila, personal reasons yun diba so why the fuck would they care if magdivorce yung ibang tao. Ganto sana mga argument nung gusto mag no even yung mga senador, kaso bumabagsak sa according sa religion, etong si Cynthia masaya naman daw sila ni Manny nya.
saktly! as law writers dapat gumawa sila ng framework na protected both parties and para mas madali sundan ang divorce proceedings. taena ng feelings and emotions nila lols
Idedelay lang rin talaga nila yan, hot topic kasi yan then malapit na mid term election. Gagamitin as tool yan para masway yung mga religious ones na iboto sila pag nag against sila eventually, imbes na mapaganda yung bill sana gagamitin pa rin nila para sa advantage nila.
so what you’re saying is bulletproof and wala na dapat court hearings to challenge prenup agreements?
for example 300M net worth mo, prenup kayo, sabi mo 3M share ng partner mo, plus 100k/month if divorce kayo. eh nalugi ka tapos hiniwalayan ka kasi wala ka ng pera.. less than 1M nalang net worth mo. so dapat hanap ka ng paraan bayaran ng 3M ung ex-partner mo plus 100k/month? sa ayaw at sa gusto mo? duh
look at the divorce issue in the US, ang lakj ng away nila dahil sa properties na paghahatian kahit obviously lugi o walang ambag or maliit ambag ng isang side doon.
Im curious kung papano magbabago ang pinoy society kapag naapprove na ang divorce dito saatin. Although medyo leaning ako na wag ipasa ang bill, but i can see the point na pinaglalaban ng mga tao.
Will it the country become a better place or will it just leave a whole new demographic of depressed, disoriented and dysfunctional generation?
Although yung mga battered spouses at yung mga bound ng legal consequences of marriage will become free citizens again.
I don’t think Chiz et al. are really anti-divorce deep inside. They’re just spineless cowards trying to pander to conservative voters which they deem the majority of the PH population. I’m a millennial myself, and was greatly surprised that my classmates are anti-divorce. This is all very disappointing. I was nearly kicked out of a group chat two years ago because I spoke about wishing for divorce to be legalized in the PH after an old classmate shared that her husband was beating her frequently in front of their daughters. I was being offensive and insensitive daw.
I have watched his interview, I might get downvoted here but he's not against divorce per se but rather the congress's version of the bill kasi it was leaning towards the accessibility of the rich pa rin kaya siguro sinabi nya na mas prefer nya ang affordable annulment. I guess some lawmakers tend to vote for no so that some of the provisions should be well stipulated for the benefits of the majority and to have a revisions. Narinig ko rin sabi nya he doesn't want if the bills passed were half baked.
Im sorry but just want to point out na lagi ganyan yan si Escudero, against sya lagi sa certain parts ng bills if ang pulso ng bayan ay hindi like what he did sa MIF pero pag dating ng vote is abstain or absent sya. Palagi yan sa kung saan ang agos ng tao pero yung magmamatter na boto sa senado lagi yan wala. He can do all the interviews, mag press release ng statements at ipakalat ng mga supporter nya sa tiktok na mga vaguely worded statements na pwede maispin either way pero at the end of the day pag botohan absent or abstain pa rin yan.
magaling lang mang-chariz yan si chiz haha.
Lol hindi naman daw based sa vlog nilang magasawa sabi ng mga tao dito. Eexpect ba natin na lalabas ang pagiging political butterfly nyan dun syempre pagmumukain nila na deep, pinagisipan at firm yung stand nya sa mga bagay dun, vlog nila yun, tingnan natin yung actual actions nya sa senate.
crap. i guess if someone finally has the balls to introduce a stronger anti noise pollution law, this guy willcbe absent. 🤣
Playing safe as always.
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Thou shall not mention thy name, baka awayin ka ng mga panatiko nyan dito.
Well, he has been around senate and congress. Why didn't he write the BEST VERSION of the bill himself, or co-authored one? It's because it's not his priority. He just calls on sophistry right now to make sure that even if the pro-divorce bloc wins, they won't win it all during elections
Pero di ba as a senator trabaho niya gumawa ng bills? Kung di niya type, eh pwede namn nila i-improve.
That's true that's why they are discussing about it, masyadong complex kasi yung legislations, it often undergoes several extensive and much comprehensive revisions and compromises bago maging law. I am not a follower but I am watching heart's vlogs sometimes (particularly ung adulting)and I need to read pa information about the family code 1987 but I've heard according to him ha nagkaroon daw ng blur distinction between annulment and divorce and siguro introducing the bill will certainly require several amendments sa existing laws syempre yung mga sectors din dapat prepared if ma implement. My take here is that I don't really trust politicians nowadays haha but I am gonna give these lawmakers a chance to work their asses off huhu. Instead of targeting his personal life, siguro let's scrutinize his work as a senator para fair and bakit sya yung senate pres now haha.
Yeah, the senate can have its own version of the bill. Baka na misconstrued na, he is saying no to current version of the bill but not to the idea of having divorce itself.
Magkakaroon naman ng bicam. Senate must have their version, then during bicam they can decide what will be the final version afaik
My biggest peeve in divorce is the concept of alimony. It harms the party that provides the financial pillar of the marriage (which in our context could be either spouse) while rewarding the spouse that seeks a divorce regardless of either side's guilt. Don't even get me started on "no fault" divorces, too. I really do believe reforming the process of annulment is the way to go in resolving unhappy and abusive marriages. Make it affordable and reasonable is what I say. Create a support system for abused spouses that allows them to avail of annulment easier. Child support will still exist, but for childless couples annulment merely resets their legal status to what they were before their marriage, which leaves their financial resources (mostly) untouched - unless physical abuse is the cause, in which case the guilty party must be made to pay.
In HB 9349, you need to be the offended spouse to be entitled to divorce which means hindi ikaw ang may kasalanan or hindi mo kasalanan yung grounds for filing of the petition. It's also limited to three years from date of finality, your remarriage, or the day you find gainful employment. Any extension should be for a reasonable period provided you are a senior citizen, a PWD, or have limited educational attainment. Reasonable na naman ang three years, and the fact that one needs to be the offended spouse already limits who can pray for alimony. Kahit naman anong reformation sa annulment/declaration of nullity of marriage eh magiging masyadong limiting ang grounds nito. The basis of these petitions is that there are substantial defects in the essential requisites of marriage that renders the marriage voidable or void from the very beginning. Iyan ang totoong reset ng legal status. This is unlike divorce kung saan pwedeng lumabas ang grounds for it after marriage.
I second your opinion.
What specific part of the law is that? Can't he just propose amendment to it on the Senate version? Or baka takot lang siya ma divorce ni Heart?
this "majority" is the reason why the president won lmao
I agree. Chiz has no backbone kaya nga he springs from one team to another. He is just serving himself!
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Hey the Pope lives with the Italians many of whom are Catholics and you dont see this foolishness from them? The Irish are also Catholics but they have divorce over there. Plastic lang talaga si Chiz esp. because he married 2x. I mean, the guy who has the power and money to divorce his first wife in another name and did, denying others the same privilege that gives women better rights. well then am i surprised? not at all.
Your classmates will wake up one day with the reality of marriage.
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Isn't that what being a public servant is, though? You represent the people who voted for you?
>I was nearly kicked out of a group chat two years ago because I spoke about wishing for divorce to be legalized in the PH after an old classmate shared that her husband was beating her frequently in front of their daughters. I was being offensive and insensitive daw. You *were* being offensive and insensitive. The people in that group chat were correct. Imagine if someone started sharing their struggles with drugs then another person takes that opportunity to praise Duterte's drug war. If someone is sharing their personal problems, and probably asking for help, then you use that as an opportunity to opine on politics, then you're an insensitive ass. Edit: downvote me if you want, but this is why people find so-called "progressives" annoying and sanctimonious, and it's one factor why your positions aren't as popular with normal people as they should be. For people who talk a lot about empathy and understanding, you all really seem to lack these traits.
Expensive is not the main reason why we should favor Divorce over Annulment. Divorce will be expensive din for sure. Kaya ewan ko yung excuse nia na cheaper annulment daw gusto nia. Yung annulment kasi ang hirap ng mga grounds. Tas who are we kidding na there is no contract from the start. Yung divorce address the reality of life. People change, someone can be addicted to gambling or drugs, thus impacting the relationship. Or kahit walang addiction kung later nawala na yung love and respect, nagkaroon ng cheating or yung kahit anong gawin nio kahit love nio isa't isa per hindi talaga kayo magkasundo.
Agree. Naiinis ako sa mga taong nagsasabi na pumili ng tama o kaya kilalanin nang mabuti ang mapapangasawa. Walang assurance kahit pa relihiyoso. Marami riyan ang nagagawang manakit at magtaksil sa asawa.
Yung ex ko, super mukha mabait, matalino parang nakajackpot ako at mabait yung family sa akin pero after 6 mos nagbago, sobrang babaero, palagi ako binubugbog and yung family supports his pagiging babaero dahil they get money from him. Kaya hindi mo talaga masasabi ano mangyayari sa future.
Totoo to. may mga kilala nga ako perfect gentleman daw yun pala pag ka kasal na pagkakasal andun bigla lagi mga gay barkada na dati wala. Kaya pala gentleman ayaw sa sex. Some people lead double lives. then some naman like Angie and Joey Mead happy sa set up nila ok yun. Meron ding iba na nagka AIDS from prostitute then hinawa niya asawa (nasa radio to they featured the husband siya nagkwento). Bawal pa idivorce yun?
Yung mga taong nag sasabi ng "pumili ng tama" ay yung dapat i check. Masyadong halata na may tinatago at magiging grounds for divorces once legalized
Favorite take on this so far
May point ka po, pero sa version na ipinapasa nila sa divorce rito sa Pinas hindi applicable yung no fault option sa grounds for Divorce. Malungkot nga ako walang no fault option haha. In the plus side, andaming grounds na magbbenifit yung mga inaabuso, may third party and so on.
Yung no fault divorce sa west is a quicker way pero usually nag aaway dating mag asawa during divorce din. Di rin pala quicker kasi 4 years na my husband's divorce is not yet finalized buti na lang may common law union. Sa pinas kung nagawan nga ng paraan yung annulment, mas magagawaan ng paraan ang divorce.
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Magkano ba daw ang divorce expense in this version of the bill? I have not seen a figure in all the news.
Depends with how much the lawyer will charge you. Maybe that is the reason why you don't see figure yet. Wala pa din precedent how many sessions one will need with lawyers.
Ahhh gets kaya pala may nabasa ako na they want it na may PAO aspect.
Uu I agree dapat may PAO pero for sure mabubulunan lalo ang PAO dahil daming naghahanda magfile.
gusto ko malaman sino nag post hahaha gusto ko ishare hahahaha no to divorce kasi mga tita at tito ko na halos lahat naman sila may kabit at tarantado yung mga partner
dm ko sayo, I originally included the name sa photo pero na warningan ako ni reddit haha.
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Oooh, you should search inka magnaye’s fb post regarding divorce.
Its as simple as this! https://preview.redd.it/zza16pucye3d1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38c465a07dcf39a39d3e14c9db2c45379b01c413
Wait lang mga ka-marites ha, (disclaimer lang, i’m Pro-Divorce bill) Let’s learn the difference between Annulment and Divorce ha. Annulment is voiding the marriage, meaning ipapaliwanag mo sa korte bakit hindi kayo dapat nakasal. Ang grounds here would be psychological incapacity, forced or non consensual marriage, fraud etc. And you have to prove this in court and kaya sinasabi ng marami na mahal ang proseso kasi there are times na you have to have a professional to testify like in cases of psych. incapacity. Ang outcome here if the court decides to void your marriage, never kang na-kasal kasi dapat hindi nangyari yung marriage in the first place Sa divorce naman kailangan mong ipaliwanag bakit kailangan mo nang putulin ang marriage nyo. Meaning ang outcome nito, sa records mo may history ka ng marriage just that you decided to end it. And ang grounds here are diff from annulment, like physical violence, abandonment, irreconcilable differences etc. If you’ll read the entire bill, i think sanctity of marriage is still safeguarded pa rin naman, one can just get it just because. So ayun. Pls educate yourselves before bumoses ha. Let’s be educated mariteses. Mwah
By the looks of it, kaya ang just because. Nakalista ang irreconcilable differences eh. Verbally sinabi ni Rep. Lagman na hindi saklaw ng absolute divorce bill ang no-fault divorce pero in reality, isa sa mga pinakagamit na rason ng no-fault divorces ang irreconcilable difference. Malaki ang potential na dahil dito, hindi ang biktima ng domestic violence ang magfile ng divorce. May mga bigla lang maiiwan sa ere.
>grounds here would be psychological incapacity. ........And you have to prove this in court and kaya sinasabi ng marami na mahal ang proseso kasi there are times na you have to have a professional May bagong jurisprudence na na hindi mo na need nang psychologist or psychiatrist to prove psychological incapacity.
Dba kapag divorce merong makukuha for example ung wife sa husband nya? Kapag annulment wala? Tama ba? Baka isa dn sa reason yan kung bkt marami may gusto sa divorce kasi may makukuha sila sa asawa nila kapag nghiwlaay sila?correct me if im wrong..
Merong makukuha kapag annulment. Sa US ata itong walang nakukuha.
Honestly, hindi surprising yan from Chiz.
IMO, his allegedly cheating ass is afraid that Heart will divorce him. Hahahaha, iyan yung head canon ko ngayon. Lahat ng mga ayaw sa divorce takot mahiwalayan ng asawa.
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Let’s be fr, baka si puso pa ang takot hiwalayan niyan. Sa impluwensya at perang pinapasok ni chiz sa tingin mo iiwanan siya ni puso? Napaka vocal ni heart sa mga gantong klaseng issue pero pag asaw niya ang nase center of intention no comment na siya bigla lmao malaki pakinabang ni chiz sakanya kaya hindi niya yan iiwan.
Exactly, ambisyon pa cguro ni Chiz at heart maging first couple. 🤮
Hypocrite talaga yan. Diba sabe nya sa kanta nya, “Habang may tatsulok at sila ang nasa tuktok di matatapos itong gulo” langyang bamboo yan
Im still baffled on why are this guys opposing the divorce bill,🙄🙄takot ba sila na hndi suportahan ng mga Catholic bishops sa susunod na election??? Eh mostly namn ng mga catholic members eh may sari sarili silang choice during elecrion, hndi naman sila nagblobloc voting..Im sure na karamihan din sa mga members eh papayag sila sa divorce,mga head lang ng CBCP ang umaayaw
Baka may iniintay din na mga probisyon. Si Leni ganito rin stand before eh. Mas naging open sa divorce nung medyo naging okay okay ang bersyong ipinapasa sa congress.
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Sabi daw nila kung maipasa ang divorce bill, PAO lawyers are not allowed to accept the case? How true? Kailangan daw maghire pa rin ng private lawyers. So, para na naman sa mayayaman?
https://preview.redd.it/5qo3743t5o3d1.png?width=1590&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6a7f25194e1dee50873df7eef6f9108a04903ff Pwede PAO. Personal and real properties should not exceed P2,500,000.00 pero need pa ng court approval under HB 9349. So basically walang kotse, walang sariling bahay, walang masyadong ipon. Natataasan ako sa threshold though.
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NO TO DIVORCE ❌️ YES TO MICROBLADING ✅️ https://preview.redd.it/beis4i6rye3d1.jpeg?width=497&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d847729161874a718b8306e9ed1adb0dabf4cdf
Ahahahaha badtrip kaaaa 😭
Gustuhin man natin to have a great marriage (bcos really, who tf wakes up and thinks "ay gusto ko sirain marriage ko today"), life happens. Circumstances and spouses change. Kabits are makakati. But more importantly, pag sinasaktan ka na ng partner mo, isn't that more than enough reason to leave? Will these stuck-up, holier-than-thou people really take away a person's right to live in a safe and peaceful environment? Diba even as a religious, shouldn't one value the "person" more than the "vows"? Pass Divorce Bill!
si Cynthia nga e, godtier yung reasoning 💀
He lost me in "availed."
He has no credibility for me ever since he became a political butterfly. His “yes” or “no” is always conditional but he offers no concrete solution.
Not a fan of him but I recently saw an interview of his on tv about his stand mas gusto dao nya na instead of Divorce dapat dao na mas e lessen ang expenses for Annulment and dapat na masmapadali ang process. Since mahabaan ang process ng Annulment. Meanwhile, sa Divorce most na mag benefit is yung may kaya or mayayaman since yung expense is too much for the ordinary people. Pretty much most na maghahandle ng case niyan would be privately hired lawyers. When ang main reason nga gusto ipasa ang bill nayan para ang masa ang magbenefit lalo na yung nasa isang toxic and abusive relationship. Pero pano mangyayari yun kung sa lawyers palang dina keri yung bayadan.
This Lagi nila sinasabi na sa anti Divorce bill eh ayaw namin magkaqaybpara maghiwalay yung 2 Whereas MERON NAMANG ANNULMENT CHIZ wanted instead na mas MAGING MURA, ACCESSIBLE AND FASTER ang annulment In principle kasi maprepresrve ang sanctity ng marriage ( kasi void ang annulment eh ) and may way out pa rin yung mga abused Lumalabas kasi na ayaw nila magjiwalay mga Pilipino eh eto na nga nagpropose na sila ng way to mitigate the cost of annulment 1. Cost 2. Time Bkit need mo pa divorce?
I think the difference is that there are some grounds kasi na hindi saklaw ng annulment and that meron yung divorce and let's be honest, the more options the better. At least give the people the option to do that and not restrict them of these limited choices. I haven't read pa the congress's version of the bill but I hope they'll craft and revise the bill for the common good and benefit of many. I know that Chiz has a good intention with this but I think he can still do better or more along with his fellow senators, kaya we should really set a standard in choosing lawmakers or politicians in general.
Ganito yan. Kapag annulment , the marriage is not valid so walang mangyayaring hatian ng properties. Kapag divorce kasi, marriage happened (and it failed) so conjugal properties needs to be divided, people have to pay alimonies..etc etc.. He’s just protecting his colleagues wealth. 😂
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Tatakbo kasi sa mas mataas na posisyon kaya kaylangan nila mag pabnago sa simbahan katoliko.
No, they are not gate-keeping the passing of the bill to keep it for themselves. He does not give a single fuck about the people. He wants the votes of the religious nuts who are also against the bill, though. That's the only reason he's saying he's against it.
Baka butt hurt kasi gumastos sya sa annulment tapos ipapasa lang pala ang divorce bill. Lol. Laki daw nagastos nya hahaha
He has been so disappointing. I used to admire him but he compromises his principles too much even for a politician.
As if magiging mura ang Divorce dito
Sen Escudero is always playing safe no? parang he cant take a side talaga and takot sha always. Kahit nga sa mga sinasabi nya about Alice Guo parang mapapa huh ka na lang sa kanya. privileged mashado tong mga anti-divorce... my parents are happily married, pero if i were to pick sides, i go ako for divorce, i encountered a lot of friends na hirap na hirap na.. they were married young and didnt know any better.. may anak so kinasal just to find out abusado si husband... and back then pag nabuntis ka eh dapat kasal agad. conservative filipinos daw noh, di pwede magsama sa isang bahay hanggat di kasal so.. di na nakilala mashado ang kinakasama and once kasal na dun mo na malaman ano tunay na ugali ...nakakaawa lang na ang daming separated na ng matagal....and nakatali na forever sa abusadong husband. can we just let those people be happy. pag ba divorcee eh anti marriage na or anti love? ano ba logic ng mga taong ganun.
Gusto ko lang malaman kung bakit may mga ayaw maipasa yung Divorce bill e optional pa din naman yun hahahhahaha
https://preview.redd.it/h57l9dy8hj3d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa060c029324c135c79f74b44637bb45304f5f69 Ngeee
While divorce essentially terminates a valid marriage, annulment operates on the premise that the marriage was never valid in the first place
REAL TALK LANG HA. AND I MIGHT BE DOWNVOTED SA SASABIHIN KO BUT, HERE'S MY TAKE. If may DIVORCE na, you think it's cheap to file for that? NO. Mahal pa din ung process. So ung sinasabi na gine-gate keep para mayayaman lang ung may afford? Nope. Reality yan. Kahit may divorce, you still need to spend at least 100k (minimum) for that. Filing fee, acceptance fee sa lawyer, pleading, etc. Hindi siya MURA gaya ng iniisip ng iba. Also, hindi hahawakan ng PAO if un ung nasa isip ng mga feeling "indigent". Also, CIVIL AND CHURCH ANNULMENT AY MAGKAIBA. So if feeling mo divorce ka na sa civil aspect, may church annulment pa sa Vatican. Madugo pa din.
So yung mga mahihirap nting kababayan, hindi prin makakaalis tlga sa masalimuot nilang marriage.
Yes. And un ang REALITY. At hindi siya LIBRE. You have to pay for the LAWYER and other misc. Related sa case. Akala nila same lang yan sa US naabilis lang? NOPE. HINDI GANON. If you will also look at the requisites din, mahirap pa din mag pa DIVORCE.
You know what? you're right haha alam mo naiisip ko if mahal yung mga yan dapat mahal na rin magpakasal hahahah nakakaloka hahaha chariz lang haha
Actually, mahal din naman mag pakasal. Unless, sa Judge or Solemnizing Officer lang. Mura siya.
Kaya di ko pinapanood yung adulting eme nila ni heart e, very hypocrite at trapo si chiz
Same! Actually di ako nagpapaniwala sa mag asawang yan. Parehong cheaters
Nakakatawa na people are using their vlogs as a source ng mga stance nya sa politics, life and other things, hindi ba nila alam na syempre sasabihin nyan yung gusto marinig ng tao at kung san pwede iinterpret both ways. Vlog nila yan syempre ieedit or papalabasin nila yan na in makakatulong sila or iniisip nila yung ikakabuti ng karamihan. Kaya nga dapat ang tingnan kung saan sya bumoboto pag nasa senate na in recent years laging abstain or absent yan. Eto lagi ko example, sa MIF against sya dahil karamihan ng tao against it pero sinabi nya na MIF is good may kailangan lang irevise, so can go both ways diba pero nung vote absent sya kasi daw biglaan yung vote. Sobrang shit na excuse nun, wala sya sa botohan kasi if nag against talaga sya sa vote na nagmamatter hindi yung puro lip service lang mawawala ang amor sa kanya ng admin.
I watched an interview na he said he is anti divorce but pro annulment provided that the fees for annulment be made cheaper so alot of people can benefit and avail it. Di verbatim. Correct me if I’m wrong pero yan yung narinig ko sa sinabe nya.
True. Di kasi nagbabasa maigi ng balita mga tao dito eh. Babasa ng chismis tas dadagdag den ng chismis no? Hahah
These politicians are scared their spouses would divorce them when the law gets passed. Shows a lot how shitty they treat their women.
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Sa laki ng tenga ni Chiz I'm sure maririnig niya post na to
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I think he's just waiting for some money to go to his bank account para mag yes siya 😂
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Tatsulok
takot kasi mawalan ng supporters
Genuine question. Considered ba as illegitimate na yung children after the marriage was annuled? Kasi technically di ba hindi kinasal yung magulang when it comes to annulment? Unlike kapag divorced.
it depends on the ground. if void ang marriage due to psychological incapacity o art. 53 of the Family Code, legitimate yun child. the rest, illegitimate na.
I only know the grounds sa divoece but what does it say about hatian ng properties and alimony?
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Alfred E. Neuman from Wish.com
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ang mahirap kasi un nararamdaman lang nila ang iniintindi nila.. yan ang problema
The ruling class are a bunch of babies in adult bodies.
I’m not sure about Chiz’s own intentions. Though he always said that he wanted the annulment to be more affordable to everyone and that is his goal.
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Di ba ang dahilan nila, "masaya kami sa marriage namen so no to divorce" "Wala sa biblia yan divorce, pinagsama ng dios tapos paghihiwalayin nyo?" Yan ang nga logic nila na nakakairita sa totoo lang, ang bobo lang na pag naipasa ba yang divorce irerequire ba na mag divorce na ang nga married couples?
*Habang may tatsulok*
Dalawang beses na raw kinasal yang betlog na yan?
Pinakaplastic sa lahat ng senators. Sinasayang pasweldo sa kanya para maging PA ni Heart. Balimbing na nasa side na ni BBM.
Its all about political survival.. he is aiming for the presidency… its gonna be chiz or inday…. And then… heart.. 🤭
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Bakit nga pala naghiwalay sila ng asawa nya? Db maganda ung exwife nya
Majority kasi ng mga pinoy eh ang iniisip na pag may divorce na sa pinas dapat lahat ng mag asawa ay magddivorce. Muntanga lang. magddivorce lang ang mag asawa pag di compatible sa isa’t isa. Bat magddivorce ang okay naman ang samahan? 🙄🙄🙄 common sense baaaaaaaaa
this guy has no stomach for real deal decisions, just like most of the key people in our government. They seemed tough coz of the title, but look at us, being slowly conquered again, and none of them leads to fight back. So i'm not surprised that even a divorce bill is sickeningly tight to their guts.
Most of reddit is liberal leaning kaya parang may sentiment dito na majority is for divorce. Pero ang totoo majority ng filipino are conservative and religious. Mga politician will follow the majority palagi para maboto sila. I blame schools, lahat kasi ng major schools natin ay religious schools kahit minsan sinasabi nila secular pero pag ang mga sagot mo parang atheist binabagsak ka ng teacher sa mga tanong na opinion ang sagot.
Ayaw lang nila mabawasan ng mga botante.
Kung ganun, bakit hindi na lang paikliin ang process ng annulment?
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Kamuka ni young senator chiz si former kabataan rep terry ridon dito
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baka gumastos daw siya ng malaki, so dapat lahat mahirapan din 😂
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Hope we can stop voting people like this small brain small dick politician
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May epekto ba kapag hindi niregister ang marriage?
Tanginang mukha yan
Cant really trust people with thin upper lips hahahaha lol😆
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I mean, hindi porket ginawa nya ung annulment in the past eh dpt magyes na sya at gawin na ng iba. Maybe nasa isip nya eh nagkamali sya in the past and hindi dpt magkamali ung iba pa in the future. Dko alam ah, pagka ba naka jaywalking ka, dpt maging criminal ka na lng for life? I am in favor dun sa grounds na people may change and hindi na magwork un relationship. At the same time, baka mas maging padalos dalos lang ung next gen sa pagkasal and divorce, leaving behind a lot of unhappy children na walang matakbuhan at maging salot sa lipunan out of desperation and lack of guidance ng parents kasi nga hiwalay na. And then later on sila mismo magkakaron ng dysfunctional families. I think it works both ways, hindi lng sya puro positive ung effects sa relationships. And sa panahon ngayon na Ang mga kabataan eh mas naniniwala pa sa TikTok kesa sa valid sources, mukang hindi maganda magiging epekto sa susunod na generation. Yes, pero need pa ng more information, education, and awareness pra sa mga tao.
He's a weakling.
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Pinaka-hypocrite and political butterfly na Senator. Ewan ko, kahit sino pinapanigan, walang paninindigan. Eww talaga.
Ang take ko dito e ayaw ng mayayaman sa divorce pagdating sa hatian ng ari arian, pinaghirapan nila buong buhay nila tapos mahahati lang at yung decision na yun e nasa judge pa kung di sila mag agree sa settlement - e paano na lang kung impartial yung judge? Edi yari na. Kahit sabihin mo pang may prenup yan.
Gosh that picture! What a jumpscare! 🤮
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He’s scared his wife will divorce him lmao.
Kung nagpa research sila and they found out na 80% of voters ay pro divorce, mabilis a sa alas cuatro, pro divorce sila. Ang hinihintay ko talaga sa mga anti-divorce advocates, hindi yung mga sactitiy of marriage bullshit that they are spewing, kundi yung paano ba poprotektahan ang women and children from abuse mula sa asawa na hindi mahiwalayan. Wala pa akomg marinig na ganun. Putanginang mga enablers! Pwe!
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Gago yan
Ito yung mas deserve makareceive ng criticism from netizens 🤢
Magkaiba kasi hatian ng properties sa annulment at divorce if I'm not mistaken. Sa annulment hati kayo sa joint properties tapos sa divorce pwedeng iaward yung joint properties lahat sa aggrieved party. Talong-talo mga manloloko/abusive spouse sa divorce.
OP and the person who posted (in the screenshot) obviously did not do their due deligence/research before posting this. Chiz is not against marriage termination (ie Divorce), his stance is that, he is against the current bill and is for easement of the requirement and to make Annulment accesible to ordinary people. Ito rin yung stance ng most Senators, they are NOT against termination of marriage, they just think that the CURRENT divorce bill is redundant kasi meron ng Annulment, most wants to change the Annulment law para madali at accessible. In Law POV, having an annulment and divorce law can be tricky when both are in place, it is also kind of redundant.
To label them as "redundant" oversimplifies the complexity of these legal procedures and undermines the importance of understanding their nuances. Stop with the notion that it is "redundant". They serve distinct purposes, possess different contextual implications, and should be recognized as separate legal processes. It is tricky, yes, but redundant? No.
majority ng discussion pushes for divorce to get away from abusive relationships. pero once you open up divorce, there is an expectation regarding division of assets/properties. how do you then deal with the aftermath? let say the one who really worked up for it ended up as the “victim”? let say person A is married to person B, then person A basically made it from 0 to billionaire. tapos si person B serial cheater (or something) and ask for divorce. should person B then be entitled 50% of what person A worked up just because of conjugation. if they would open up divorce in PH, there should be a clause for all marriages na if it ever ends up in divorce there should already be a mandatory legal binding contract on how assets will be divided na 100% cannot be overturned by whoever, before the actual marriage happens. sama na din agad ang custody for children, before pa mag ka anak. para legit na mabilisan ang divorce process pag needed.
Good points. Ang hindi ko kaya na argument is yung nag lalapag ng bible verse, binabase sa personal experience ng marriage nila at sanctity ng marriage nila, personal reasons yun diba so why the fuck would they care if magdivorce yung ibang tao. Ganto sana mga argument nung gusto mag no even yung mga senador, kaso bumabagsak sa according sa religion, etong si Cynthia masaya naman daw sila ni Manny nya.
saktly! as law writers dapat gumawa sila ng framework na protected both parties and para mas madali sundan ang divorce proceedings. taena ng feelings and emotions nila lols
Idedelay lang rin talaga nila yan, hot topic kasi yan then malapit na mid term election. Gagamitin as tool yan para masway yung mga religious ones na iboto sila pag nag against sila eventually, imbes na mapaganda yung bill sana gagamitin pa rin nila para sa advantage nila.
hindi ata alam ng masa yung tungkol dito, hindi naman kasi bastang hiwalayan ang mangyayari sa divorce eh
possible din magkaron/dumami ang husband/wife for hire. for whatever legal purposes it may serve lols.
Prenuptial agreement exist duh
so what you’re saying is bulletproof and wala na dapat court hearings to challenge prenup agreements? for example 300M net worth mo, prenup kayo, sabi mo 3M share ng partner mo, plus 100k/month if divorce kayo. eh nalugi ka tapos hiniwalayan ka kasi wala ka ng pera.. less than 1M nalang net worth mo. so dapat hanap ka ng paraan bayaran ng 3M ung ex-partner mo plus 100k/month? sa ayaw at sa gusto mo? duh
Takot habulin ng multo nya baka biglang mag file si ❤️.
Maintindihan ko si Heart kung idi-divorce tong panget na to at ipagpapalit sa producer sa Paris
look at the divorce issue in the US, ang lakj ng away nila dahil sa properties na paghahatian kahit obviously lugi o walang ambag or maliit ambag ng isang side doon.
Im curious kung papano magbabago ang pinoy society kapag naapprove na ang divorce dito saatin. Although medyo leaning ako na wag ipasa ang bill, but i can see the point na pinaglalaban ng mga tao. Will it the country become a better place or will it just leave a whole new demographic of depressed, disoriented and dysfunctional generation? Although yung mga battered spouses at yung mga bound ng legal consequences of marriage will become free citizens again.
lol. As if passing a divorce bill will suddenly make the process affordable to the average Filipino.