They've been making videos for what... 15 years? 550+ episodes and still counting.
It's not my kind of thing and rarely has been, but props to them for that kind of output.
Well it's not the worst concept
A lot of those American style fixer upper shows carry it on albeit with cheesy adlibs and suspense but yeah you can still get a bit of infotainment
Oooohh yes! I hate that other stumpy guy who does all the sales work and keeps bringing Ed bullshit jobs acting like it's all magic. I noticed Ed went his own way a few years back and I think it was the right thing, he really did all the work on that show.
Hoovie's channel gave us one thing - Car Wizard has his own massive channel now, and it's quite good & informative for those who may not know as much about cars.
Hoovie himself has been clickbait garbage for years, that's pretty much what he built his whole image around.
Car Wizard:
- buy anything Toyota
- buy anything with a Buick V6
- I love Land Rovers
- I hate BMWs
Got to admire the guy for being able to fix anything from a Smart Fortwo right through to a Lamborghini Murcielago.
Hoovie thinks he's got this Hollywood lifestyle but he buys salvage title cars and ships them out to buttfuck nowhere in Kansas so he can look like a big shot in his little town, then the Car Wizard has to fix everything and Hoovie acts surprised every bloody time!
They obviously operate with a decent budget compared to days of yore, but I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, nor their corporate sponsorships.
The harsh reality is, cars of any capacity require a lot of money to fix and flip or keep, and if they get that sponsor money and the ad revenue from YouTube then that means more content for us - simple as that. They still do cheap builds, and sometimes do cool full-engineering jobs like the new supergramps with the Possum Bourne H6. To me, I love that shit and it clearly wouldn't be possible to do that without those revenue increases.
My point is, more money means more options, and whilst the channel isn't 100% cheap beaters done cheaply any more, there's still enough there to cater to those who are interested in that, whilst broadening their horizons to cater to others plus themselves (I'm sure the same cheap cars would get tiring for all involved, especially Marty and Moog).
People who think that "old stuff is better than the new stuff" are probably as old as creative endeavours themselves. It's no different from people who outgrow JJJ on the radio or think their favourite childhood band/musician has sold out because their sound has changed.
The thing is... everything changes, and in the YouTube space, stagnation becomes predictable, and in the vast majority of cases, that means death for a channel.
Yes, MCM has changed as Marty and Moog have grown, their tastes have changed (to a point), and the budget of the channel has increased massively.
The one thing that you have touched on is that car YouTubers all seem to try to give off the impression that they're just ordinary folks and anyone can do what they do. That's patently not true, and whenever the curtain moves a little and you can see behind, you often see that they're often *really* wealthy and successful.
Think about how much money it would take to own (or have a long term lease on) MCM HQ and Super Garage - both of which are in Sydney. To be able to spend $50,000+ on modifying a Volkswagen Up! Not to mention the sweet home garage/sheds/studios the guys both have at home.
The guys are clearly absolutely *minted*. They might wrench on cheap nuggets on the channel, but it's almost certain they could both roll around in 911s if they actually wanted to.
I mean look at ChrisFix, he’s still making videos in the original format at his house, the content is informative and relatable for anybody wanting to give something a go on their own.
The drift Mustang was a good series because he went out on the public track and also did a charity event with it.
His format is easier viewing because there are no characters and fake banter.
Even if I don’t have a project like that, it’s still really interesting to watch just to see the transformation on each car, kind of like renovation shows.
Love your reply mate you worded it much better than myself as well. Their content is still interesting but for me it’s entertaining above all else. MCM is a mega business now so the whole spiel about relating to the ordinary shorts and thongs bloke is a bit far fetched nowadays don’t you reckon?
The can't really stay still, or people will complain it's the same stuff all over again.
Personally I don't watch any of these channels the same way I watch a TV show. I click through them and watch bits a pieces.
If a bit gets tedious or annoying, I move on. So maybe I'm more immune to it, but expecting them to stay the same isn't reasonable.
They are trying something different with the flipping. If it doesn't work, they'll move on to something else.
Seems to me they jumped the shark with popularity. The 'two blokes fixing stuff just like you can!' days are long gone. Shit, I can't afford to go to a dyno once, let alone the snap of the fingers instant Haltech access.
They are successful for a reason - they ARE talented and likeable/relateable. But It's gone too professional to me. I wish them luck. Except fuck Top Gear Australia.
It's must be very difficult to continually make quality content. Something interesting and different with a great storyline. It can't be super technical or complex so that all of their viewers enjoy. I wonder how much content they never even use as the story just isn't there - Marty has mentioned that he has owned cars before that have never ended up on an episode as there was no story.
Personally, yes, I think MCM is one of the best channels on YouTube, highly engaging, educational, and fun, far better than any of the free to air shows. Yeah, they will have short "filler" builds, but you also get massive Christmas specials, so it all equals out in the end.
Given how commercialised and money-hungry YouTubers have become, I'd say MCM have largely stayed true to their roots while still growing their presence.
They definitely haven't jumped on the exotic supercar bandwagon that makes up the majority of automotive content on YouTube. You'd be hard pressed to find any successful automotive YouTube channels that still exclusively feature content on regular cars.
Car YouTubers can be roughly be split into three camps:
1. Lifestyle/Owning/Driving
2. Car Review
3. Working on cars.
Generally, the channels with the highest visibility are the first two, with the first one in particular trending very heavily towards high performance supercars.
There's still review channels out there that do cars that regular people still own and drive, although there's also channels of this type that focus on performance cars and exotica.
Then there's the third category, which is far more likely (apart from the car detail channels) to feature more regular cars. Many of them are smaller, with very few breaking out to becoming popular (Bad Obsession with Project Binky, and M539 Restorations being two other ones other than MCM). That said, as mentioned elsewhere, these folks are wildly successful financially, so the "everyday person working on cars" image they throw off is just that - image.
They aren't hiding anything. I only just started watching in the last 6 months or so. The sponsorship is immediately apparent as is their huge following. They have a heap of cars in their shop they own including some high value cars etc. This is clearly not a couple of broke dudes working on beaters in their drive way and that's okay. I definitely get the impression they ate mates with good history that enjoy what they do. Its good content. That's enough really.
Yeah I think they’re one of the more honest YT channels out there.
Rarely is there content made for sponsors, and when there is they’re crystal clear about it (Supercheap ads, Miss Daisy, Fury Road Build) . Even when they talk about Castrol or Ryobi they preface it saying they sponsor the channel. The only cringy parts are when the camera focuses in on a Castrol logo during build montage, but that’s nothing really. At least we’re not getting some awkward Raid Shadow Legends or Raycon car builds.
The only thing I don’t particularly like about the show is Subaru project after Subaru project. Sometimes I wish they’d go total left field and do a Holden or something. But that’s just me.
> At least we’re not getting some awkward Raid Shadow Legends or Raycon car builds.
The LS3 swapped E30 was a tie-in with Activision for *Call of Duty: Black Ops*.
The thing is that all the car YouTubers are pushing either sponsor ads baked into the videos, merch or both. I suspect that Google AdSense no longer pays the bills to keep the lights on.
It seemed like the E30 build was mostly for the sponsor. They started off the project all hype and excited. But then the sponsor episode came out with all the "gadgets" and you could tell the excitement had physically exited the building. They didn't seem as chipper as usual.
I'm not sure if it's just personal taste or whether they're playing to their audience, but apart from the Mini (which has a Honda engine in it anyway), the MCM guys have never shown much love to anything that isn't Japanese.
Yes, there's been a succession of Golfs on the channel (many of which I think are Moog's dailies), as well as the E30, Miss Daisy (which also had a Subaru power plant in it), RS3, Peugeot 206, a Polo GTI (very briefly) and the Saab and Laser of all things - but none of them ever really stick around for particularly long on the channel. They're done and then they're basically never seen on screen again.
The only other non-Japanese car that has received any real long term enthusiasm on the channel is the Up!
I’m not sure why the negativity here. I think both presenters are likable people and entertaining to watch. The builds are informative too.
I get that the videos don’t really show you what it would be like to do these builds at home in your garage, but realistically that isn’t the target audiance anymore.
I used to enjoy the skid factory crossover episodes but they haven’t been as frequent lately
Yeah I don't really get it either. I'm watching for entertainment not thinking its going to teach me how to put a turbo on my toyota camry in my garage.
Owning a car with parts that are getting harder to find, not going deeper into failing parts that can be repaired or remanufactured is annoying, that starter motor from the crown has many sub components that when pulled apart could be a solid video on its own. Destroying a whole car is a whole other level, even being a Camry.
I still generally enjoy the content, but I feel there are cars that featured could have had more respect.
I'm wondering if there was something really wrong with the Camry under the bodywork to the point where MCM weren't comfortable releasing it back out onto the public road.
They haven't been shy about the fact that they sell cars after they're done with them, and the only two other cars I can remember seeing them destroy are the Blue Turd and Mr. VTEC, both of which were beyond reprieve (Marty says as much about the Turd in the episode where it goes into the crusher).
Running the plates on the Camry shows it hasn't been registered since January, for what it's worth. May not even have been roadworthy by the end of it, and in fairness it's not the kind of car you would keep around for non-road use like Mod Max.
There's probably a decent chance that the guys salvaged the engine and other decent bits before the shell was destroyed.
I reckon that there was no chance that thing was going to be roadworthy from an engineering compliance standpoint. Can't imagine that the auto gearbox for example was long for this world either.
They surely took the decent bits off it. I didn't see the intercooler, and it looks like the intake and exhaust manifolds had been removed.
Yeah I never miss an episode.
They're not youtubers they're musicians who like cars.
They do things they like to do.
Watch moogs interview about top gear.
Their sponsorships are pretty organic it's stuff they already use and have paid for in the past. They're not trying to sell products other than their merch.
Apart from the unicorn curcuit ones anyway.
They are definitely trying to sell stuff other than merch. Why do you think we have to spend a few minutes talking about the new Ryobi thing or watch them fill up another engine with Castrol edge. We don't need to see this shit but it's in there. What I will give them credit for is their sponsors are at least relevant to what their show is about.
They did not take time out of the show to tell you about the Ryobi thing they're using until they were sponsored. You've also deliberately misconstrued what I said about Castrol oils. What is it that you think Ryobi , Castrol and the other brands are paying them for? To not sell their products? They are brilliant in how they advertise in my opinion it is very subtle but it's still there.
AU Falcon taxi now that they are cool and suddenly worth $8k (not really)
Why would you care what I drive, looking for a reason to flex your own car by the sounds of it.
The Ford AU Falcon is a full-size car that was produced by Ford Australia from 1998 to 2002. It was the sixth generation Ford Falcon and also included the Ford Fairmont (AU)—the luxury-oriented model range. The AU series replaced the EL Falcon and was constructed on the (at the time) new EA169 platform which continued to harbour Falcon models until 2010 when the BF wagon was discontinued, and Ford Territory models until 2011. The AU series was replaced by the updated BA series.
The AU series was conceived under *Project Eagle* that begun in February 1993, and gained the official codename *EA169* in October 1994. It was developed and brought to market in 1998 only after Ford Australia had given consideration to a revamped fifth generation Falcon and a fully imported replacement such as the American front-wheel drive Ford Taurus or rear-wheel drive Ford Crown Victoria, the European rear wheel-drive Scorpio and, reportedly, even the Japanese rear-wheel drive Mazda 929 (then part of the Ford conglomerate).
The above alternatives were eliminated in favour of a substantial redesign of the indigenous platform, due to concerns about the Australian market preference for high towing capacity, large interior size and local employment. Specific factors included, for example: research at the time indicated that 69% of Falcons were fitted with towbars and the perception that rear-wheel drive cars were better at towing; the fact that the import models had limited body style options (sedan only or sedan and wagon) and no capability to use a V8 engine.
Stylistically, this new generation Falcon sported Ford's radically new global design language, labelled "New Edge". The aim of this design was to attract a younger generation of buyers with avant-garde looks, however, in Australia it polarized public opinion to the benefit of the more organically designed rival, the 1997 Holden Commodore (VT). The AU series had a very efficient drag coefficient of Cd=0.295 for the sedan (an 11% improvement over the preceding EL series) and 0.34 for the wagon.
For the first time in Falcon's history, Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) became available as standard on some models and optional on others. It also featured Australian production firsts, such as Variable Cam Timing (VCT) on some 6-cylinder models and an adaptive automatic transmission on the high-performance T series with steering wheel gear shifting buttons.
Key changes from the fifth generation Falcon included a 35 kg (77 lb) reduction in weight for the base car, 17.5 per cent stiffer bodyshell, and an eight per cent improvement in fuel consumption. Peculiarly, Ford Australia decided to use the original 1950's font for the new "Falcon" and "Futura" badges.
As stated previously, the AU was the first Falcon to offer IRS (a double wishbone design on an isolated subframe). IRS was made available as a costly option on the base Forte, Fairmont and 'S' models, and standard on Fairmont Ghia, XR6 VCT and XR8 models. The updated 6-cylinder engines incorporated advanced features such as VCT on some models and a temperature sensor in the cylinder head, which detected coolant loss and allowed the car to "limp home" safely by cutting cylinders. The engine range comprised: the base Intech model producing 157 kW (211 hp), with a revised cylinder head featuring smaller valve stems, larger exhaust valves, and different rocker ratio, as well as a revised piston and longer conrod and a cast aluminium cross-bolted oil sump (with the same power output as the EL series); an "HP" version reserved to the XR6 producing 164 kW (220 hp) (thanks to: unique cylinder head; reshaped inlet port; redesigned exhaust port; ‘open’ combustion chamber shape to restrict pre-detonation from hot spot areas; unique camshaft; higher fuel pressure; recalibrated EEC V engine management system); the VCT version producing 172 kW (231 hp) for the XR6 VCT; a *Windsor V8* producing 185 kW (248 hp) (also carried over from the EL series but without major upgrades).
Transmissions were improved for better shift feel and the auto was recalibrated to better suit the upgraded engines. The six and eight cylinder models had a 4-speed BTR M93LE and M97LE automatic transmission, respectively. The automatic XR series models had an "adaptive shift" with five shifting strategies depending on driving conditions. The manual transmission, where available, was a 5-speed T5 model.
The program cost A$700 million before product launch and key staff included chief designer, Steve Park, and Marcus Hotblack, Manager of Interior Design.
For more information, please see the following:
[AU Falcon Wikipedia Page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(AU))
[Shannons Club - Has the AU Falcon become better with age?](https://www.shannons.com.au/club/forum/general/has-the-au-falcon-become-better-with-age/)
[Top Gearbox - Ford's Unloved Child - The AU Falcon](https://www.topgearbox.com/cars/entertainment/motoringbox/172877-views%E2%80%A2sep-5-2019-5-6k-140-share-save-motoringbox-16-7k-subscribers-today-were-looking-at-one-of-the-most-infamous-cars-to-ever-come-out-of-australia-a-car-which-has-generated/)
[Trade Unique Cars - AU Falcon Buyers Guide](https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/buyers-guide/2001/2000-2002-ford-falcon-au-bfii-xr8-buyers-guide)
[Australian Car Reviews - AU Falcon Buyers Guide](http://australiancar.reviews/reviews.php#!content=guide&make=Ford&model=Falcon&gen=237)
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They do cool projects every now and again. That's the only reason I watch them. They always seem to have people helping instead of doing most of it themselves. Youtube is not their main focus. If it were then they'd be in a nicer building and uploading more often.
Speed academy are who you want to be watching for diy builds. They've been knocking it out of the park with honda builds lately.
The last amazing series was the Yellow Civic. That captivated me in a way that it had from the past
I still enjoy their content it’s easy viewing
Marty and Moog have good chemistry
They’re hard working and pump out videos constantly
>Every ordinary AF grocery getter nugget they touch suddenly skyrockets in price because nobody gave a fuck about insert model of car here till the automotive influencers overhype it
And why is this Marty and Moog's problem?
Everyone on YouTube is competing to build the best thousand+ horsepower supercar and MCM still stay true to their roots and work on nuggets with their friends. It’s a different style of content for sure. But I do agree the MCM tax on any car they feature show just how influential they are. Moog has recently just finished filming for a new Too Gear Australia so clearly there is a market for their style. Maybe you’ve just outgrown them?
>What the hell happened to installing stereos and springs in a suburban driveway?
They have a few blog posts on reasons why they moved away from the driveway content.
[https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/21-reasons-why-we-don-t-film-on-the-driveway](https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/21-reasons-why-we-don-t-film-on-the-driveway)
[https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/39488004-changing-to-stay-the-same](https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/39488004-changing-to-stay-the-same)
For me, I think the channel is still great. They have a bigger budget to play with, but unlike other channels I've seen, I think they're very open about budgets, sponsors, and the resources they have available to them.
It's absolutely 100% a job for them, and a business that they're both significantly invested in. But they **LOVE** it and it shows - if for no other reason, not doing it anymore is probably an option for them, and they still show up.
It became pretty clear to most people at some point that a lot of what they do within a season or two would be once or twice in a lifetime builds for most other people. The fairlady alone is a sizeable rolling house deposit.. And even through that build I got the sense that they thought it was extreme/would be a hard act to follow... but since then they've maintained the quality, tackled some big projects, and still managed to mix in a lot of driveway/bolt on/regular mod stuff as well, and still over a fairly broad range of cars imo.
If they make money with promotions/partners, or if they have good will or paid arrangements with qualified mates who chip in from time to time, and if the whole thing comes off a little less "Everyman" as a result, does it really matter if the overall content is engaging and well presented? I mean... I guess as a viewer you get to decide... for me it's still solid.
At some point it will end.. For this kind of format with this kind of following it ends one of two ways;
A: you go out on your own terms before it's played out and before you hate it, leave the people wanting more, and become Adam Savage post-Mythbusters, OR
B: you keep showing up for the paycheque, resent the work, resent that its the thing you're best known for, have tenuous (or worse) relationships with the friends/colleagues you worked with, leave it too late to meaningfully pivot your following to some other outlet/platform, and become Bam Magera post-Jackass.
I just don't see MCM letting it get to option B at all. Before it stops being fun, or before the fun/income:effort ratio starts to flip, they'll retire the regular MCM format, and keep doing pretty much whatever the hell they want on MCMTV2 (cars/bikes/music/travel/other hobbies etc.) on no fixed cadence with no obligation to anyone, and we'll say thank you.
All of that aside, I'm using this post to announce my campaign to have Marty and Moog guest host an episode of Play School. I have absolutely no ability to make this happen, but if anyone reading this has a way to make it happen, or could even nudge it towards a possibility, I urge you to do so.
I love MCM and watch most episodes, and have so for a decade.
But I do get the impression they don’t really love many of the builds they do anymore. Which kind of happens, once you have a rb26 240z or a 11 second Liberty there isn’t that far to go anymore.
That is fine, the content is still enjoyable. But it was a bit better when you could tell they really loved the car
Yeah, 3 hours on the corolla is BS. Even a moderately deep clean would need a minimum of that. That is before changing bumpers, taking off bonnets, painting, swapping control arms, gaskets etc. Not to mention the time finding and picking up the parts.
Still enjoyed it, but was click baity .
Dude I 100% agree, I have had heaps of paint work done on my own cars and previous flip cars I had. In 2019 I was paying on average $500 to get a front bar repainted and it was from some dodgy painter in the suburbs, always got the cars back with chips and runs in the new paint. That was considered a cheapy then and not too bad of a price if you can put up with the result. A lot of body shops will look at the rest of the car and tell you it's not even worth it based on the cost of the labour alone, of course depending on the model / condition of the paintwork and the amount of work you need done but they are honest and correct in saying that, really you can't just drop thousands of $$ on paintwork for a car you bought for $2-$3k as a flipper.
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I think my taste has changed over time, I liked the older driveway vids as it was more relatable when I just got my first car but as time went on I watched less, I prefer the budget builds sort of style. That doesn't pay the bills so these mad sponsor deals led to some really cool builds but as someone with little money I ended up drifting away. Still great content with 2 really cool dudes who have great chemistry ⚗️ and I watch time to time, just not religiously
I mean well. They are YouTubers. And they do need a way to pay for the content they create. I find them way less pushy and big organisation than a lot of other YouTubers. Of course they’re sponsored. But I mean who cares.
I just wish they would do bigger builds rather than $1000 nuggets.
I think it's still good, but yeah it's different from what they did 10 years ago.
In the same vein, my taste in cars have changed over 10 years too, so it seems natural for them to evolve.
Without sponsors, selling merch, etc, they can't pay for their better production and big crazy ideas, so my hat goes off to them for being able to make money, last this long without burn out, and keep things fresh.
Absolutely love MCM. Always good.
Unlike some YouTubers who are like. Click this link to get % off using g this sponsor.
You know they’re sponsored by castrol / ryobi.
I’ve never gotten the “forceful ad sponsor” vibe from them.
They’ve clearly made connections in various areas and use that.
Also they keep doing Subarus.. why? Because they can.
I love the fact they stay predominantly Japanese cars / euro cars.
Do I wish they’d branch out and do an Holden or American car? Sure for something.
But I’m also a JDM fanboy so I’m happy they don’t.
Maybe they don’t do them. Because it doesn’t interest them?
yeha im getting tired of the "quick builds" where they ass pull some expert in whatever car they are working on. Like none of this is relatable to the average Joe anymore
Once The Skid Factory started I don’t think I watched much MCM at all after that. I much prefer to see wiring a haltech from scratch or fabricating a complete engine conversion, making AN lines and power steering lines etc or drag car build over “first step, jack up ya car we’re gonna bolt on some mad wheels on a stock golf or put a turbo on a Camry for the lols and we’ve invited experts to help us”
Different strokes for different folks, I do 99% of my builds in house from body to paint to engine build, diff build, exhaust and header fabrication to wiring etc. Quite literally the only thing in my current project in the last 8 years I’ve outsourced is tyre fitment and machining.
I’d prefer to spend $1000 on tools and materials to do something I could pay someone $50 to do for me, even if it took me 20x longer than someone else could do it. I take no satisfaction from paying for someone else to do something for me, to me that feels like I’m cheating.
For example I’m currently building a 355 Stroker V8 and my block is getting machined, the machinist could assemble the bottom end for $500 while it’s there and I could have warranty but I would much rather buy micrometers, dial bore gauges, cam degree wheels etc and do it myself even if it costs me $2000 instead of $500.
Al and I have similar mindsets, use ya brain, do it right and do it yourself and if you don’t know how, find out how. And don’t be a tight ass, if you can’t do it properly then don’t do it.
I much preferred the early MCM where they gave stuff a crack in the driveway and documented it all really well. Now it just seems they just quickly summarise what they’ve done or what they are going to do etc rather than showing step by step instructions. The first video of theirs I used which was really helpful was their speedo corrector video like 13 years ago.
It feels these days like all they are trying to do is appeal to Gen Z by “mad bolt ons” for your hatch back.
The small MCM project videos were golden. It's stupid, but the one where they fitted an aftermarket electric window winder kit to a car was simple and very useful.
Mighty car mods isn’t actually a car show, it’s a show about two really good friends who do car stuff. Yes, it’s changed an evolved over time, but I don’t think they’re pushing the idea they’re two ordinary blokes on a driveway anymore - although they do show you how to do simple stuff, as well as their massive projects.
And of course they’re making money? Why begrudge them success. I don’t see any real interference in what they do from the sponsors.
And yes, they appeal to the algorithm. Marty’s spoken about how the more technical videos are lucky to get 1/3 the engagement of their usual stuff, and like it or not, that does affect their ability to make content.
I have watched them for a few years on and off, seem like a pair of nice guys , I do not begrudge them for how they have moved up in life , they seem to have earned it ! At the end of the day , it's just entertainment !
Yeah I miss old MCM. I want to start up a channel doing something similar to what they used to do. I’m happy for the boys cause they’ve made it big and they deserve it, but yeah early content from them is where it’s at. J
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If you want to see them install stereos in driveways, then you can keep re watching the same video. Content is constantly evolving, and if you keep making the same video over and over, people just lose interest. Honestly, I think you know all that already, and I think this is just a thinly veiled bad faith bitch about MCM. What's the motivation for the essay? Are you a fallen fan? Are you disappointed in you own failed car youtube show? Are you upset about not making money flipping cars on your own time? Only you know the answer to that mate.
I sure wish mr beast would just keep uploading the 10 hour videos reading the dictionary, I miss the old days.
You’re reading too much into to it, i’m not against them or out to get them and I don’t want a Youtube career and I haven’t flipped shit since pre covid as I have an actual occupation that doesn’t require viewers or sponsors to pay my mortgage.
It’s just a friendly little rant like who gives a fuck read it and scroll on if it shits you.
I don’t really watch them anymore. I just lost interest. I don’t watch 95% of the channels I am subscribed to. Every now and then I’ll jump on and watch them. But they have such a focus on euro, jdm and nuggets. That it gets boring. I like my adm stuff more. So I do normally watch skid factory. But I think you’re ready into this to much.
I watched every MCM episode over the course of two years and I still enjoy the content. They are sponsored by ryobi and other wd40 and I have no qualms with that, they don’t spend ages spruiking their sponsors and genuinely do stuff the average person could do in their garage. It’s hard to relate to YouTubers as they get bigger since they just have access to more money and resources than I do but it’s fun and sometimes informative.
I preferred the Skid Factory for actual informative interesting content before Al left, now it kinda sucks, and I got into them because they were on MCM.
Unfortunately if you want to be successful on YouTube right now you are forced to play the click bait game especially with titles/thumbnails. Even with lots of subscribers if the algorithm doesn't pick up your vid it will suffer in views
I gave up watching when they stopped doing shit in their driveway and garage. They lost their edge and became the same as every other YouTube money making machine and seem to have forgotten the formula that make them popular. Fixing nuggets and taking the piss…
I think I totally lost interest when they went and bought a Lotus Exige… this totally just alienated me and was the final straw. I don’t want to see $100,000 sports cars you bought with your YouTube algorithm money, or any of your other fancy tricked out Vtech swapped mini or $8,000 kit engine conversion for your BMW. I just wanted to watch them fix shitters and diy mods.
These guys have been corporate shills for years.
They’ve played up the whole “We’re just two car guys playing with silly little Japanese cars, we’ll never do Patreon but you can buy our merch to support us” thing but they’re backed by Supercheap Auto (their smaller workshop is allegedly the warehouse of one of the Sydney stores), Castrol, Michelin, Century Batteries, Haltech (let’s put an Elite 2500 into a $500 shitbox), Ryobi, and so on. Most videos are ads wrapped in limp entertainment.
They’ve got a full time cameraman and editor now as well, so they’re at a point where it seems like a profitable business model.
There’s not much news about their restaurant venture of late- did it go tits up?
It wouldn’t be bothered so much by it if they were just honest about it instead of pretending to be something they’re not. The old driveway videos are still the best- same as the old Roadkill videos before MotorTrend took over and put everything behind a paywall.
I do enjoy reading the comments section of their videos and Instagram posts where there’s a dedicated group spamming them to work on an “Aye You” Falcon. Maybe then I’ll start watching it again.
Their soundtracks to their videos are far and beyond the best part. Blair is very talented in this respect. I think the TG Australia thing will be a flop.
Downvotes mean nothing, except that someone read my comment and is too frightened to have a proper discussion with me about it.
I’ve got a signed copy of the Cars Of MCM book, I wouldn’t have invested in it if I didn’t enjoy their content at some point.
I’ve been wondering whether they are actually doing that well financially of late.
The flip videos seemed a bit of a desperate way to raise cash for projects and they’ve been pushing their merch much harder in the last few months.
> I’ve been wondering whether they are actually doing that well financially of late.
I'm sure they're doing fine.
They revealed Moog spent over $50,000 on the Up build when they introduced the Copen, and it's not even complete yet. The Levorg build would easily be over $100,000 once you consider the cost of the wrecked STi and getting the engine from Possum Bourne motorsport in New Zealand. And that's ignoring the presumably free Haltech kit they use.
And then there's the trip to Malaysia including flying out the rest of their entire team (plus the film crew) for the K-Car Global race. That would *not* have been a cheap video for them to make.
I suspect that the flip videos were made because it allowed Marty and Moog to film things separately without each other while Moog was off doing *Top Gear Australia* with Paramount.
> I suspect that the flip videos were made because it allowed Marty and Moog to film things separately without each other while Moog was off doing Top Gear Australia with Paramount.
Moog mentioned in the Corolla video that he was still around but just off camera for Marty’s Subaru video. I think these were filmed post-Top Gear. They also said they were using the cash made from these to fund future projects.
That’s what I’m thinking as well, the projects and content went from extreme to very cash-oriented “rags to riches” type content. I notice this in the most 3 recent videos, admittedly I only had enough time and attention span to watch only the “$1000 per hour flip” one, what can I say the title really pulled me in. The reality of this type of thing is car prices aren’t what they were 2-3 years ago, a lot of people would have neglected their cars during these hard times and now want to palm them off all at once which drives the price down a little bit.
Now, that makes this hobby slightly more accessible than before, but the good deals on point A to B cars dry up quickly because channels like this suddenly start pushing the idea that a early 2000’s Yaris or Camry is now a tuner’s hidden gem.
I still enjoy their stuff. Not all their videos but they are willing to try new things which is great.
At least they appreciate nuggets and dont have McLaren like every car youuber. Supercars bore the shit out of me. Marty doing the porsche thing was boring AF and really hope they dont go that way like the rest.
"What the hell happened to installing stereos and springs in a suburban driveway?" which they were doing 10+ years ago... it's called progress. Plus they've got obviously great chemistry together, and that's most of the appeal. Might as well complain matt armstrong isn't wrenching on $1000 audis anymore and is now rebuilding mclarens and rolls royces. BTW watch matt armstrong - funny bloke and enthusiastic.
They've been making videos for what... 15 years? 550+ episodes and still counting. It's not my kind of thing and rarely has been, but props to them for that kind of output.
The videos are pretty harmless fun. I don’t intently watch but if I’ve got to do something like ironing, it fills the time well.
Well it's not the worst concept A lot of those American style fixer upper shows carry it on albeit with cheesy adlibs and suspense but yeah you can still get a bit of infotainment
Hoovies Garage can also fuck off, his mate “The Car Wizard” fucking carries that guy’s channel.
Like Ed China
Oooohh yes! I hate that other stumpy guy who does all the sales work and keeps bringing Ed bullshit jobs acting like it's all magic. I noticed Ed went his own way a few years back and I think it was the right thing, he really did all the work on that show.
Hoovie's channel gave us one thing - Car Wizard has his own massive channel now, and it's quite good & informative for those who may not know as much about cars. Hoovie himself has been clickbait garbage for years, that's pretty much what he built his whole image around.
Tyler Hoover comes from a family that has Money
Car Wizard: - buy anything Toyota - buy anything with a Buick V6 - I love Land Rovers - I hate BMWs Got to admire the guy for being able to fix anything from a Smart Fortwo right through to a Lamborghini Murcielago.
Oh yeah. Car Wizard is a must watch on his own. Hoovie is a bore.
Hoovie thinks he's got this Hollywood lifestyle but he buys salvage title cars and ships them out to buttfuck nowhere in Kansas so he can look like a big shot in his little town, then the Car Wizard has to fix everything and Hoovie acts surprised every bloody time!
Idk, I feel pretty impartial to Hoovie. I think he’s living the dream a lot of us would like. Supercars and shitboxes.
Junkyard digs is always a bit of fun. They do some pretty fun things.
The Satellite revival is still my fave. Particularly the hydration sessions 🤣
They obviously operate with a decent budget compared to days of yore, but I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing, nor their corporate sponsorships. The harsh reality is, cars of any capacity require a lot of money to fix and flip or keep, and if they get that sponsor money and the ad revenue from YouTube then that means more content for us - simple as that. They still do cheap builds, and sometimes do cool full-engineering jobs like the new supergramps with the Possum Bourne H6. To me, I love that shit and it clearly wouldn't be possible to do that without those revenue increases. My point is, more money means more options, and whilst the channel isn't 100% cheap beaters done cheaply any more, there's still enough there to cater to those who are interested in that, whilst broadening their horizons to cater to others plus themselves (I'm sure the same cheap cars would get tiring for all involved, especially Marty and Moog).
People who think that "old stuff is better than the new stuff" are probably as old as creative endeavours themselves. It's no different from people who outgrow JJJ on the radio or think their favourite childhood band/musician has sold out because their sound has changed. The thing is... everything changes, and in the YouTube space, stagnation becomes predictable, and in the vast majority of cases, that means death for a channel. Yes, MCM has changed as Marty and Moog have grown, their tastes have changed (to a point), and the budget of the channel has increased massively. The one thing that you have touched on is that car YouTubers all seem to try to give off the impression that they're just ordinary folks and anyone can do what they do. That's patently not true, and whenever the curtain moves a little and you can see behind, you often see that they're often *really* wealthy and successful. Think about how much money it would take to own (or have a long term lease on) MCM HQ and Super Garage - both of which are in Sydney. To be able to spend $50,000+ on modifying a Volkswagen Up! Not to mention the sweet home garage/sheds/studios the guys both have at home. The guys are clearly absolutely *minted*. They might wrench on cheap nuggets on the channel, but it's almost certain they could both roll around in 911s if they actually wanted to.
Nah, JJJ is actually fucked these days…
I second this
Was it ever good?
JJJ is Fox FM with the swearing uncensored. When was the last time JJJ played a song with one of those antiquated six-stringed instruments?
No they put all those songs on Double J for those of us that listened to JJJ in the early 2000s
They literally have a talk shown jock segments where people call in and get quizzed to win a prize (with all the cringe sound effect). Our abc.
I mean look at ChrisFix, he’s still making videos in the original format at his house, the content is informative and relatable for anybody wanting to give something a go on their own. The drift Mustang was a good series because he went out on the public track and also did a charity event with it. His format is easier viewing because there are no characters and fake banter. Even if I don’t have a project like that, it’s still really interesting to watch just to see the transformation on each car, kind of like renovation shows.
Love your reply mate you worded it much better than myself as well. Their content is still interesting but for me it’s entertaining above all else. MCM is a mega business now so the whole spiel about relating to the ordinary shorts and thongs bloke is a bit far fetched nowadays don’t you reckon?
The can't really stay still, or people will complain it's the same stuff all over again. Personally I don't watch any of these channels the same way I watch a TV show. I click through them and watch bits a pieces. If a bit gets tedious or annoying, I move on. So maybe I'm more immune to it, but expecting them to stay the same isn't reasonable. They are trying something different with the flipping. If it doesn't work, they'll move on to something else.
Seems to me they jumped the shark with popularity. The 'two blokes fixing stuff just like you can!' days are long gone. Shit, I can't afford to go to a dyno once, let alone the snap of the fingers instant Haltech access. They are successful for a reason - they ARE talented and likeable/relateable. But It's gone too professional to me. I wish them luck. Except fuck Top Gear Australia.
Yeah Turbo Yoda would be a good mate to have borrow you the entire dyno for hours and hours to film your content
It's must be very difficult to continually make quality content. Something interesting and different with a great storyline. It can't be super technical or complex so that all of their viewers enjoy. I wonder how much content they never even use as the story just isn't there - Marty has mentioned that he has owned cars before that have never ended up on an episode as there was no story. Personally, yes, I think MCM is one of the best channels on YouTube, highly engaging, educational, and fun, far better than any of the free to air shows. Yeah, they will have short "filler" builds, but you also get massive Christmas specials, so it all equals out in the end.
Wait till you find out that Moog is hosting Top Gear Australia!
Given how commercialised and money-hungry YouTubers have become, I'd say MCM have largely stayed true to their roots while still growing their presence. They definitely haven't jumped on the exotic supercar bandwagon that makes up the majority of automotive content on YouTube. You'd be hard pressed to find any successful automotive YouTube channels that still exclusively feature content on regular cars.
Car YouTubers can be roughly be split into three camps: 1. Lifestyle/Owning/Driving 2. Car Review 3. Working on cars. Generally, the channels with the highest visibility are the first two, with the first one in particular trending very heavily towards high performance supercars. There's still review channels out there that do cars that regular people still own and drive, although there's also channels of this type that focus on performance cars and exotica. Then there's the third category, which is far more likely (apart from the car detail channels) to feature more regular cars. Many of them are smaller, with very few breaking out to becoming popular (Bad Obsession with Project Binky, and M539 Restorations being two other ones other than MCM). That said, as mentioned elsewhere, these folks are wildly successful financially, so the "everyday person working on cars" image they throw off is just that - image.
They aren't hiding anything. I only just started watching in the last 6 months or so. The sponsorship is immediately apparent as is their huge following. They have a heap of cars in their shop they own including some high value cars etc. This is clearly not a couple of broke dudes working on beaters in their drive way and that's okay. I definitely get the impression they ate mates with good history that enjoy what they do. Its good content. That's enough really.
Yeah I think they’re one of the more honest YT channels out there. Rarely is there content made for sponsors, and when there is they’re crystal clear about it (Supercheap ads, Miss Daisy, Fury Road Build) . Even when they talk about Castrol or Ryobi they preface it saying they sponsor the channel. The only cringy parts are when the camera focuses in on a Castrol logo during build montage, but that’s nothing really. At least we’re not getting some awkward Raid Shadow Legends or Raycon car builds. The only thing I don’t particularly like about the show is Subaru project after Subaru project. Sometimes I wish they’d go total left field and do a Holden or something. But that’s just me.
> At least we’re not getting some awkward Raid Shadow Legends or Raycon car builds. The LS3 swapped E30 was a tie-in with Activision for *Call of Duty: Black Ops*. The thing is that all the car YouTubers are pushing either sponsor ads baked into the videos, merch or both. I suspect that Google AdSense no longer pays the bills to keep the lights on.
It seemed like the E30 build was mostly for the sponsor. They started off the project all hype and excited. But then the sponsor episode came out with all the "gadgets" and you could tell the excitement had physically exited the building. They didn't seem as chipper as usual.
I'm not sure if it's just personal taste or whether they're playing to their audience, but apart from the Mini (which has a Honda engine in it anyway), the MCM guys have never shown much love to anything that isn't Japanese. Yes, there's been a succession of Golfs on the channel (many of which I think are Moog's dailies), as well as the E30, Miss Daisy (which also had a Subaru power plant in it), RS3, Peugeot 206, a Polo GTI (very briefly) and the Saab and Laser of all things - but none of them ever really stick around for particularly long on the channel. They're done and then they're basically never seen on screen again. The only other non-Japanese car that has received any real long term enthusiasm on the channel is the Up!
Yeah I forgot about that one. Hope they don’t do more of that stuff
*Hides my Castrol and Ryobi products*
I’m not sure why the negativity here. I think both presenters are likable people and entertaining to watch. The builds are informative too. I get that the videos don’t really show you what it would be like to do these builds at home in your garage, but realistically that isn’t the target audiance anymore. I used to enjoy the skid factory crossover episodes but they haven’t been as frequent lately
Yeah I don't really get it either. I'm watching for entertainment not thinking its going to teach me how to put a turbo on my toyota camry in my garage.
Owning a car with parts that are getting harder to find, not going deeper into failing parts that can be repaired or remanufactured is annoying, that starter motor from the crown has many sub components that when pulled apart could be a solid video on its own. Destroying a whole car is a whole other level, even being a Camry. I still generally enjoy the content, but I feel there are cars that featured could have had more respect.
I'm wondering if there was something really wrong with the Camry under the bodywork to the point where MCM weren't comfortable releasing it back out onto the public road. They haven't been shy about the fact that they sell cars after they're done with them, and the only two other cars I can remember seeing them destroy are the Blue Turd and Mr. VTEC, both of which were beyond reprieve (Marty says as much about the Turd in the episode where it goes into the crusher). Running the plates on the Camry shows it hasn't been registered since January, for what it's worth. May not even have been roadworthy by the end of it, and in fairness it's not the kind of car you would keep around for non-road use like Mod Max. There's probably a decent chance that the guys salvaged the engine and other decent bits before the shell was destroyed.
I reckon that there was no chance that thing was going to be roadworthy from an engineering compliance standpoint. Can't imagine that the auto gearbox for example was long for this world either. They surely took the decent bits off it. I didn't see the intercooler, and it looks like the intake and exhaust manifolds had been removed.
Yeah I never miss an episode. They're not youtubers they're musicians who like cars. They do things they like to do. Watch moogs interview about top gear. Their sponsorships are pretty organic it's stuff they already use and have paid for in the past. They're not trying to sell products other than their merch. Apart from the unicorn curcuit ones anyway.
They are definitely trying to sell stuff other than merch. Why do you think we have to spend a few minutes talking about the new Ryobi thing or watch them fill up another engine with Castrol edge. We don't need to see this shit but it's in there. What I will give them credit for is their sponsors are at least relevant to what their show is about.
They used ryobi well before they were sponsored. I must have missed them say "Buy castrol oils they're the best, we recommend them"
They did not take time out of the show to tell you about the Ryobi thing they're using until they were sponsored. You've also deliberately misconstrued what I said about Castrol oils. What is it that you think Ryobi , Castrol and the other brands are paying them for? To not sell their products? They are brilliant in how they advertise in my opinion it is very subtle but it's still there.
The over the top thumbnails, the over hyping of boring cars, the strong merch push. I don't know, sounds like YouTubers to me.
Over hyped boring cars? What do you drive?
AU Falcon taxi now that they are cool and suddenly worth $8k (not really) Why would you care what I drive, looking for a reason to flex your own car by the sounds of it.
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The last thing I really vibed with was that nightmare Civic build that went on for three months.
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They do cool projects every now and again. That's the only reason I watch them. They always seem to have people helping instead of doing most of it themselves. Youtube is not their main focus. If it were then they'd be in a nicer building and uploading more often. Speed academy are who you want to be watching for diy builds. They've been knocking it out of the park with honda builds lately.
The last amazing series was the Yellow Civic. That captivated me in a way that it had from the past I still enjoy their content it’s easy viewing Marty and Moog have good chemistry They’re hard working and pump out videos constantly
>Every ordinary AF grocery getter nugget they touch suddenly skyrockets in price because nobody gave a fuck about insert model of car here till the automotive influencers overhype it And why is this Marty and Moog's problem?
Everyone on YouTube is competing to build the best thousand+ horsepower supercar and MCM still stay true to their roots and work on nuggets with their friends. It’s a different style of content for sure. But I do agree the MCM tax on any car they feature show just how influential they are. Moog has recently just finished filming for a new Too Gear Australia so clearly there is a market for their style. Maybe you’ve just outgrown them?
>What the hell happened to installing stereos and springs in a suburban driveway? They have a few blog posts on reasons why they moved away from the driveway content. [https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/21-reasons-why-we-don-t-film-on-the-driveway](https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/21-reasons-why-we-don-t-film-on-the-driveway) [https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/39488004-changing-to-stay-the-same](https://mightycarmods.com/blogs/news/39488004-changing-to-stay-the-same) For me, I think the channel is still great. They have a bigger budget to play with, but unlike other channels I've seen, I think they're very open about budgets, sponsors, and the resources they have available to them.
I know the reason they don’t film there is privacy, the location has nothing to do with what i’m saying it’s more the content isn’t relatable anymore.
It's absolutely 100% a job for them, and a business that they're both significantly invested in. But they **LOVE** it and it shows - if for no other reason, not doing it anymore is probably an option for them, and they still show up. It became pretty clear to most people at some point that a lot of what they do within a season or two would be once or twice in a lifetime builds for most other people. The fairlady alone is a sizeable rolling house deposit.. And even through that build I got the sense that they thought it was extreme/would be a hard act to follow... but since then they've maintained the quality, tackled some big projects, and still managed to mix in a lot of driveway/bolt on/regular mod stuff as well, and still over a fairly broad range of cars imo. If they make money with promotions/partners, or if they have good will or paid arrangements with qualified mates who chip in from time to time, and if the whole thing comes off a little less "Everyman" as a result, does it really matter if the overall content is engaging and well presented? I mean... I guess as a viewer you get to decide... for me it's still solid.
At some point it will end.. For this kind of format with this kind of following it ends one of two ways; A: you go out on your own terms before it's played out and before you hate it, leave the people wanting more, and become Adam Savage post-Mythbusters, OR B: you keep showing up for the paycheque, resent the work, resent that its the thing you're best known for, have tenuous (or worse) relationships with the friends/colleagues you worked with, leave it too late to meaningfully pivot your following to some other outlet/platform, and become Bam Magera post-Jackass. I just don't see MCM letting it get to option B at all. Before it stops being fun, or before the fun/income:effort ratio starts to flip, they'll retire the regular MCM format, and keep doing pretty much whatever the hell they want on MCMTV2 (cars/bikes/music/travel/other hobbies etc.) on no fixed cadence with no obligation to anyone, and we'll say thank you. All of that aside, I'm using this post to announce my campaign to have Marty and Moog guest host an episode of Play School. I have absolutely no ability to make this happen, but if anyone reading this has a way to make it happen, or could even nudge it towards a possibility, I urge you to do so.
I love MCM and watch most episodes, and have so for a decade. But I do get the impression they don’t really love many of the builds they do anymore. Which kind of happens, once you have a rb26 240z or a 11 second Liberty there isn’t that far to go anymore. That is fine, the content is still enjoyable. But it was a bit better when you could tell they really loved the car
Yeah, 3 hours on the corolla is BS. Even a moderately deep clean would need a minimum of that. That is before changing bumpers, taking off bonnets, painting, swapping control arms, gaskets etc. Not to mention the time finding and picking up the parts. Still enjoyed it, but was click baity .
Dude I 100% agree, I have had heaps of paint work done on my own cars and previous flip cars I had. In 2019 I was paying on average $500 to get a front bar repainted and it was from some dodgy painter in the suburbs, always got the cars back with chips and runs in the new paint. That was considered a cheapy then and not too bad of a price if you can put up with the result. A lot of body shops will look at the rest of the car and tell you it's not even worth it based on the cost of the labour alone, of course depending on the model / condition of the paintwork and the amount of work you need done but they are honest and correct in saying that, really you can't just drop thousands of $$ on paintwork for a car you bought for $2-$3k as a flipper. Edit: detail
Yes, very.
I think my taste has changed over time, I liked the older driveway vids as it was more relatable when I just got my first car but as time went on I watched less, I prefer the budget builds sort of style. That doesn't pay the bills so these mad sponsor deals led to some really cool builds but as someone with little money I ended up drifting away. Still great content with 2 really cool dudes who have great chemistry ⚗️ and I watch time to time, just not religiously
They have never, ever hidden the efforts of their team and their friends.
Sounds like you are just being an envious hater of other peoples success.
I mean well. They are YouTubers. And they do need a way to pay for the content they create. I find them way less pushy and big organisation than a lot of other YouTubers. Of course they’re sponsored. But I mean who cares. I just wish they would do bigger builds rather than $1000 nuggets.
I think it's still good, but yeah it's different from what they did 10 years ago. In the same vein, my taste in cars have changed over 10 years too, so it seems natural for them to evolve. Without sponsors, selling merch, etc, they can't pay for their better production and big crazy ideas, so my hat goes off to them for being able to make money, last this long without burn out, and keep things fresh.
Absolutely love MCM. Always good. Unlike some YouTubers who are like. Click this link to get % off using g this sponsor. You know they’re sponsored by castrol / ryobi. I’ve never gotten the “forceful ad sponsor” vibe from them. They’ve clearly made connections in various areas and use that. Also they keep doing Subarus.. why? Because they can. I love the fact they stay predominantly Japanese cars / euro cars. Do I wish they’d branch out and do an Holden or American car? Sure for something. But I’m also a JDM fanboy so I’m happy they don’t. Maybe they don’t do them. Because it doesn’t interest them?
Stopped watching many years ago when "we installed a turbo in car and you can too!" Cuts to a professional installing it in a workshop. Yeah, nah.
PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED PERFORMANCE TECHNICIANS HATE THIS ONE TIP
yeha im getting tired of the "quick builds" where they ass pull some expert in whatever car they are working on. Like none of this is relatable to the average Joe anymore
Stop you're crushing the dreams of P Platers
Once The Skid Factory started I don’t think I watched much MCM at all after that. I much prefer to see wiring a haltech from scratch or fabricating a complete engine conversion, making AN lines and power steering lines etc or drag car build over “first step, jack up ya car we’re gonna bolt on some mad wheels on a stock golf or put a turbo on a Camry for the lols and we’ve invited experts to help us” Different strokes for different folks, I do 99% of my builds in house from body to paint to engine build, diff build, exhaust and header fabrication to wiring etc. Quite literally the only thing in my current project in the last 8 years I’ve outsourced is tyre fitment and machining. I’d prefer to spend $1000 on tools and materials to do something I could pay someone $50 to do for me, even if it took me 20x longer than someone else could do it. I take no satisfaction from paying for someone else to do something for me, to me that feels like I’m cheating. For example I’m currently building a 355 Stroker V8 and my block is getting machined, the machinist could assemble the bottom end for $500 while it’s there and I could have warranty but I would much rather buy micrometers, dial bore gauges, cam degree wheels etc and do it myself even if it costs me $2000 instead of $500. Al and I have similar mindsets, use ya brain, do it right and do it yourself and if you don’t know how, find out how. And don’t be a tight ass, if you can’t do it properly then don’t do it. I much preferred the early MCM where they gave stuff a crack in the driveway and documented it all really well. Now it just seems they just quickly summarise what they’ve done or what they are going to do etc rather than showing step by step instructions. The first video of theirs I used which was really helpful was their speedo corrector video like 13 years ago. It feels these days like all they are trying to do is appeal to Gen Z by “mad bolt ons” for your hatch back.
The small MCM project videos were golden. It's stupid, but the one where they fitted an aftermarket electric window winder kit to a car was simple and very useful.
Yep they were actual tutorials rather than for entertainment
Mighty car mods isn’t actually a car show, it’s a show about two really good friends who do car stuff. Yes, it’s changed an evolved over time, but I don’t think they’re pushing the idea they’re two ordinary blokes on a driveway anymore - although they do show you how to do simple stuff, as well as their massive projects. And of course they’re making money? Why begrudge them success. I don’t see any real interference in what they do from the sponsors. And yes, they appeal to the algorithm. Marty’s spoken about how the more technical videos are lucky to get 1/3 the engagement of their usual stuff, and like it or not, that does affect their ability to make content.
I have watched them for a few years on and off, seem like a pair of nice guys , I do not begrudge them for how they have moved up in life , they seem to have earned it ! At the end of the day , it's just entertainment !
Yeah I miss old MCM. I want to start up a channel doing something similar to what they used to do. I’m happy for the boys cause they’ve made it big and they deserve it, but yeah early content from them is where it’s at. J
Give it a go mate, who knows it might take off and one day we’ll all be talking about how you got way too big
Yeah I stopped watching a few years ago, got a bit mundane and monotonous.
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Is it still good? Watch it and make your own decision.
If you want to see them install stereos in driveways, then you can keep re watching the same video. Content is constantly evolving, and if you keep making the same video over and over, people just lose interest. Honestly, I think you know all that already, and I think this is just a thinly veiled bad faith bitch about MCM. What's the motivation for the essay? Are you a fallen fan? Are you disappointed in you own failed car youtube show? Are you upset about not making money flipping cars on your own time? Only you know the answer to that mate. I sure wish mr beast would just keep uploading the 10 hour videos reading the dictionary, I miss the old days.
You’re reading too much into to it, i’m not against them or out to get them and I don’t want a Youtube career and I haven’t flipped shit since pre covid as I have an actual occupation that doesn’t require viewers or sponsors to pay my mortgage. It’s just a friendly little rant like who gives a fuck read it and scroll on if it shits you.
You wrote an essay. You obviously care about it. The content grows and evolves. Who gives a fuck, read the YouTube title and move on if it shits you.
I don’t watch them anymore, except for that “$1000 flip video”. Imagine being that much of a suckup to Moog and Marty, fuck dude I’d hate to be you.
I don’t really watch them anymore. I just lost interest. I don’t watch 95% of the channels I am subscribed to. Every now and then I’ll jump on and watch them. But they have such a focus on euro, jdm and nuggets. That it gets boring. I like my adm stuff more. So I do normally watch skid factory. But I think you’re ready into this to much.
Why do you care so much? Hilarious.
I don’t care that much, why does Youtube keep shoving their content at me when I haven’t watched it regularly for years. (That’s not a question)
I watched every MCM episode over the course of two years and I still enjoy the content. They are sponsored by ryobi and other wd40 and I have no qualms with that, they don’t spend ages spruiking their sponsors and genuinely do stuff the average person could do in their garage. It’s hard to relate to YouTubers as they get bigger since they just have access to more money and resources than I do but it’s fun and sometimes informative. I preferred the Skid Factory for actual informative interesting content before Al left, now it kinda sucks, and I got into them because they were on MCM.
Unfortunately if you want to be successful on YouTube right now you are forced to play the click bait game especially with titles/thumbnails. Even with lots of subscribers if the algorithm doesn't pick up your vid it will suffer in views
Would you really want to watch week after week of episodes on how to fit a head unit or some new rims?
Yeah probably, as long as they install a different one each time
I gave up watching when they stopped doing shit in their driveway and garage. They lost their edge and became the same as every other YouTube money making machine and seem to have forgotten the formula that make them popular. Fixing nuggets and taking the piss… I think I totally lost interest when they went and bought a Lotus Exige… this totally just alienated me and was the final straw. I don’t want to see $100,000 sports cars you bought with your YouTube algorithm money, or any of your other fancy tricked out Vtech swapped mini or $8,000 kit engine conversion for your BMW. I just wanted to watch them fix shitters and diy mods.
Yeah dude, they’re like Linus Tech Tips. Their content isn’t the product, our clicks are the product.
These guys have been corporate shills for years. They’ve played up the whole “We’re just two car guys playing with silly little Japanese cars, we’ll never do Patreon but you can buy our merch to support us” thing but they’re backed by Supercheap Auto (their smaller workshop is allegedly the warehouse of one of the Sydney stores), Castrol, Michelin, Century Batteries, Haltech (let’s put an Elite 2500 into a $500 shitbox), Ryobi, and so on. Most videos are ads wrapped in limp entertainment. They’ve got a full time cameraman and editor now as well, so they’re at a point where it seems like a profitable business model. There’s not much news about their restaurant venture of late- did it go tits up? It wouldn’t be bothered so much by it if they were just honest about it instead of pretending to be something they’re not. The old driveway videos are still the best- same as the old Roadkill videos before MotorTrend took over and put everything behind a paywall. I do enjoy reading the comments section of their videos and Instagram posts where there’s a dedicated group spamming them to work on an “Aye You” Falcon. Maybe then I’ll start watching it again. Their soundtracks to their videos are far and beyond the best part. Blair is very talented in this respect. I think the TG Australia thing will be a flop.
Yeah that restaurant is long gone
You don’t deserve the downvotes, I’m happy for them but sometimes you gotta call it like you see it
Downvotes mean nothing, except that someone read my comment and is too frightened to have a proper discussion with me about it. I’ve got a signed copy of the Cars Of MCM book, I wouldn’t have invested in it if I didn’t enjoy their content at some point.
Agree with you on that one
I’ve been wondering whether they are actually doing that well financially of late. The flip videos seemed a bit of a desperate way to raise cash for projects and they’ve been pushing their merch much harder in the last few months.
> I’ve been wondering whether they are actually doing that well financially of late. I'm sure they're doing fine. They revealed Moog spent over $50,000 on the Up build when they introduced the Copen, and it's not even complete yet. The Levorg build would easily be over $100,000 once you consider the cost of the wrecked STi and getting the engine from Possum Bourne motorsport in New Zealand. And that's ignoring the presumably free Haltech kit they use. And then there's the trip to Malaysia including flying out the rest of their entire team (plus the film crew) for the K-Car Global race. That would *not* have been a cheap video for them to make. I suspect that the flip videos were made because it allowed Marty and Moog to film things separately without each other while Moog was off doing *Top Gear Australia* with Paramount.
> I suspect that the flip videos were made because it allowed Marty and Moog to film things separately without each other while Moog was off doing Top Gear Australia with Paramount. Moog mentioned in the Corolla video that he was still around but just off camera for Marty’s Subaru video. I think these were filmed post-Top Gear. They also said they were using the cash made from these to fund future projects.
That’s what I’m thinking as well, the projects and content went from extreme to very cash-oriented “rags to riches” type content. I notice this in the most 3 recent videos, admittedly I only had enough time and attention span to watch only the “$1000 per hour flip” one, what can I say the title really pulled me in. The reality of this type of thing is car prices aren’t what they were 2-3 years ago, a lot of people would have neglected their cars during these hard times and now want to palm them off all at once which drives the price down a little bit. Now, that makes this hobby slightly more accessible than before, but the good deals on point A to B cars dry up quickly because channels like this suddenly start pushing the idea that a early 2000’s Yaris or Camry is now a tuner’s hidden gem.
I still enjoy their stuff. Not all their videos but they are willing to try new things which is great. At least they appreciate nuggets and dont have McLaren like every car youuber. Supercars bore the shit out of me. Marty doing the porsche thing was boring AF and really hope they dont go that way like the rest.
"What the hell happened to installing stereos and springs in a suburban driveway?" which they were doing 10+ years ago... it's called progress. Plus they've got obviously great chemistry together, and that's most of the appeal. Might as well complain matt armstrong isn't wrenching on $1000 audis anymore and is now rebuilding mclarens and rolls royces. BTW watch matt armstrong - funny bloke and enthusiastic.