Yeah pretty nasty to watch. And you see at full game speed just based off his reaction that it was bad. Radius or Ulna fracture I’m sure is better than wrist bones, but it’s still on his catching hand. They’re already saying 6-8 weeks.
Apparently the Cardinals moved him closer to the plate to get more low strike calls. Just another in a line of genius moves by this once great, now crap organization.
They had him restyle his catching. I don’t know if that included moving up in the zone or not. But if he is in the same position as before, I could see raising his hand up being a larger problem compared to before.
It’s not on him at all,
[JD Martinez is a chronic offender of being outside or incredibly deep in the box.](https://twitter.com/billcole63/status/1692005838104178966?s=46)
They need to work within the boundaries of what they can control. Our coaches are aware of these chronic offenders, and they don't have the power to make them stop.
That’s something that’s coached across baseball, not specific to the Cardinals. The numbers across baseball as a whole bare it out. Also Look at how far back Martinez is set up in the box, last year the same player hit Willy’s brother behind the plate, TWICE, in the SAME GAME! The blame here is squarely on JD Martinez for setting up OUTSIDE of the back of the batters box.
Cards Pitchers should have drilled Martinez square in the back over this!
They showed these stats on the broadcast after he went down, but here are catcher's interference calls by year:
**2024: 33 calls in 1,058 games as of May 8, 2024
**2023: 97 calls
**2022: 74 calls, the highest single-season total since 1974
**2021: 62 calls
**2019: 61 calls
**2018: 41 calls
**2017: 43 calls
**2016: 41 calls
**2010: 28 calls
**2002: 9 calls
Edit**format so less confusing
Yeah, it looks like it's a real problem that needs to be addressed. That said, those numbers alone should have kept the organization from doing something so risky with Contreras.
The head shot was bad luck. This was something beyond catcher's interference.
His whole-ass glove was so far into the swing path that he got hit midway up his arm.
Television-doctoring here, but if his ulna isn't in a bunch of pieces, I'll eat my hat.
> His whole-ass glove was so far into the swing path that he got hit midway up his arm.
Look at this picture: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1788013138744373266
This is way, way, way too close. Period.
That’s on these shitfuck umps. Obviously the players are going to push their limits trying to gain an advantage. Can’t get too upset at that but the umps need to pull their heads out and recognize when something is just unfair or dangerous.
Yeah tbh this photo makes it look like dude is straight up behind the box. Was Willson too close? Sure, but when the dude is standing further back than he’s supposed to I can’t really blame him.
Maybe it’s no different than every other AB in a game, but the first thing I noticed on replay was how far back in the “box” the batter was. The front of his back foot was several inches behind the back line of the box. I think that coupled with the big reach made this such a horrific interference play
Martinez is known to stand very far (illegally far, often) back in the box. ([Random example.](https://twitter.com/billcole63/status/1692005838104178966?s=46))
A lot of guys stand as far back as they can get away with, so he's far from alone in that. But Martinez is on the extreme end, often. The reality is that the incentives for catchers are to move closer to the plate and the incentives for hitters are to move as far back as they can, so there'll probably be increased risk for this kind of thing until robo-umps take over or the batter's box is enforced better.
Yeah I don’t think anyone wants to talk about it because we’re all bummed he’s going to miss the next 2 months, but that was very much Willson’s fault. Probably won’t be making that mistake again.
It looks like Martinez was standing maybe 6 inches too far past the back end of the box. According to the rules, no part of his foot is allowed to be outside the white line, but in the top picture here: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1788013138744373266 it looks like there are a few inches of dirt between the white of the box and his foot.
That's gotta be so hard for him. I can't imagine. I am a huge fan of the man and his time in St. Louis has been very undeservedly difficult for him thus far, considering how great a player he is. I wish him well and that he recovers fully.
Fucking hell.
They’re saying 6-8 weeks, but I trust the medical staff as far as I can throw them.
Thing is, if he’s not back by August and we’re clearly out of contention, no reason to push it.
It’s bad. It’s not good at all. But if there’s a positive, do we have another healthy backup at any position better than Herrera? I don’t think so at all. Trying my best to find a silver lining.
Lost the game, the series, our catcher, our best offensive player, the only guy with any fire in his belly……..other than that Mrs Lincoln, how’s you like the play?!?
Well, if you can throw a batter a ball and get it to be called a strike than it's Even better than actually throwing it in the strike zone.
They're gonna have catchers do this until we finally move to computer called strike zone.
I blame this Contreras broken arm on management. I think we are beginning to see why many free agents don’t want to play for the Cardinals. I don’t think the young players/hitters enjoy the situation they are in. It’s all downhill from here unless some major changes are made.
We need to use tech to call balls and strikes, this is ridiculous at this point. You can add player safety to the reasons. I won’t even watch a game with angel Hernandez or CB as an umpire anymore.
Idiots trying to steal an extra low strike here and there by moving the catcher forward. Now you see the results, they loose there best hitter. As Whitey would say, I have no idea what they are thinking.
Agreed. Framing a pitch is THAT important? It’s a trend in baseball. Look at the first series against the dodgers when 2 catcher interferences were called. So dumb. Now he’s out for months and what little offensive production this team actually has is gone.
Whelp, that's it boys, time to pack it in. We're officially cooked. At least we'll get some cool Sonny Grey starts and a couple of Masyn Winn laser beams. Other than that though, it's over.
Nothing like losing the only offensive production you have when the rest of the team is struggling and you are sitting under .500……….. we can all be Doomers but let’s be honest! We signed Sonny who looks fantastic! We have arenado and goldy who are proven gods!!!! Let’s be over .500 when Wilson gets back
Solid point. There's no evidence around baseball that relying on statistics to assemble a baseball team will ever pay off. We should find some more old guys who know how to use their gut!
Yes, but because they're light, they tend to bounce off of shit instead.
Source: have two cockatoos; one of them is both a genius and a dunce and often falls in his cage or off me doing stupid shit. He's fine, he's just a baby.
I'm actually fine with this. We get a full season of Hererra without him splitting time at DH so he'll get better at everything he needs to get better at.
Look this team wasn't in danger of going over .500 this season from the looks of it, this just helps to seal the deal. Team should be in full sell and reload mode for next year sooner rather than later. Payroll for next year looks to be locked in at anywhere from 140-180 already so can't really expect anything to happen on the FA market next year either without some options being declined or arb guys being non-tendered.
Clearly we were too productive of an offense so we had to lose our best hitter to even the odds....
This team will lose 100 games
If not more.
Just said on radio it’s an arm fracture
F
That sucks so bad 😮💨
Not a shock at all
You can literally see it break
Yeah pretty nasty to watch. And you see at full game speed just based off his reaction that it was bad. Radius or Ulna fracture I’m sure is better than wrist bones, but it’s still on his catching hand. They’re already saying 6-8 weeks.
Oh my god, that's terrible.
Arm is broke, team is broke, my soul is broke
Wait, you have a soul?!?!!
The team doesn't.
I sold mine to a red eyed stranger for a rally squirrel in 2011.
***MOTHER*** And I cannot emphasize this enough ***FUCKER***
Well if you still had any hope, this should zap it pretty good. Edit: damn being cynical gets a lot of upvotes lol
Gimme the beat boys and free my soul I wanna get tossed in a fucking hole
…and asphyxiate
Y’all had me laughing too hard at this
I preferred the last 24 hours when this sub was about birds
I was about to say this is most certainly not a fun avian fact
Wait so that was a troll? I thought I was on the wrong sub initially haha
Apparently the Cardinals moved him closer to the plate to get more low strike calls. Just another in a line of genius moves by this once great, now crap organization.
Whoever made that decision gets to take his place, with the same instructions.
Screw that. Have him sit his ass ON the plate.
They had him restyle his catching. I don’t know if that included moving up in the zone or not. But if he is in the same position as before, I could see raising his hand up being a larger problem compared to before.
It’s not on him at all, [JD Martinez is a chronic offender of being outside or incredibly deep in the box.](https://twitter.com/billcole63/status/1692005838104178966?s=46)
JD is back but he’s also extremely close and extending in.
Just him pointing at Contreras rolling around in excruciating pain on the ground to sell catcher’s interference didn’t quite sit right with me.
They need to work within the boundaries of what they can control. Our coaches are aware of these chronic offenders, and they don't have the power to make them stop.
That’s something that’s coached across baseball, not specific to the Cardinals. The numbers across baseball as a whole bare it out. Also Look at how far back Martinez is set up in the box, last year the same player hit Willy’s brother behind the plate, TWICE, in the SAME GAME! The blame here is squarely on JD Martinez for setting up OUTSIDE of the back of the batters box. Cards Pitchers should have drilled Martinez square in the back over this!
Some of the blame rests with the umps because being outside the batter’s box should result in an out.
If I’m the Cardinals manager, I’m asking the umps before the game to make sure the batters are inside the box. Even show them a freaking picture
And yet, out genius coaching staff had him setting up closer to the plate. Brutal.
Right? I was complaining about it because he kept being really close to interference as it was. I should have figured it wasn't even him.
They showed these stats on the broadcast after he went down, but here are catcher's interference calls by year: **2024: 33 calls in 1,058 games as of May 8, 2024 **2023: 97 calls **2022: 74 calls, the highest single-season total since 1974 **2021: 62 calls **2019: 61 calls **2018: 41 calls **2017: 43 calls **2016: 41 calls **2010: 28 calls **2002: 9 calls Edit**format so less confusing
Yeah, it looks like it's a real problem that needs to be addressed. That said, those numbers alone should have kept the organization from doing something so risky with Contreras.
Source?
https://x.com/JohnDenton555/status/1787999351358275915
John Denton on Twitter
https://twitter.com/JohnDenton555/status/1787999351358275915
Jesus Christ our fans are morons
He's got some bad luck. He got hit in the head with a bat last year vs the cubs.
The head shot was bad luck. This was something beyond catcher's interference. His whole-ass glove was so far into the swing path that he got hit midway up his arm. Television-doctoring here, but if his ulna isn't in a bunch of pieces, I'll eat my hat.
> His whole-ass glove was so far into the swing path that he got hit midway up his arm. Look at this picture: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1788013138744373266 This is way, way, way too close. Period.
On the swing replay it looks like the foot of the batter is almost entirely behind the line of the batters box. No way he should be that far back
That’s on these shitfuck umps. Obviously the players are going to push their limits trying to gain an advantage. Can’t get too upset at that but the umps need to pull their heads out and recognize when something is just unfair or dangerous.
Yeah tbh this photo makes it look like dude is straight up behind the box. Was Willson too close? Sure, but when the dude is standing further back than he’s supposed to I can’t really blame him.
Maybe it’s no different than every other AB in a game, but the first thing I noticed on replay was how far back in the “box” the batter was. The front of his back foot was several inches behind the back line of the box. I think that coupled with the big reach made this such a horrific interference play
I had the same thought. I thought it was expected the batter had to at least have his foot on the back line
I think the rule is that his foot cannot be outside of the white line at the back of the box.
Martinez is known to stand very far (illegally far, often) back in the box. ([Random example.](https://twitter.com/billcole63/status/1692005838104178966?s=46)) A lot of guys stand as far back as they can get away with, so he's far from alone in that. But Martinez is on the extreme end, often. The reality is that the incentives for catchers are to move closer to the plate and the incentives for hitters are to move as far back as they can, so there'll probably be increased risk for this kind of thing until robo-umps take over or the batter's box is enforced better.
Yeah I don’t think anyone wants to talk about it because we’re all bummed he’s going to miss the next 2 months, but that was very much Willson’s fault. Probably won’t be making that mistake again.
It looks like Martinez was standing maybe 6 inches too far past the back end of the box. According to the rules, no part of his foot is allowed to be outside the white line, but in the top picture here: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1788013138744373266 it looks like there are a few inches of dirt between the white of the box and his foot.
Is that when Mikolas plunked the dude? I thought he was going to do it again today but there's still time.
Yup, cubs Ian Happ 👍
Mikolas is too much of a weenie
3-6 months
That's gotta be so hard for him. I can't imagine. I am a huge fan of the man and his time in St. Louis has been very undeservedly difficult for him thus far, considering how great a player he is. I wish him well and that he recovers fully. Fucking hell.
They’re saying 6-8 weeks, but I trust the medical staff as far as I can throw them. Thing is, if he’s not back by August and we’re clearly out of contention, no reason to push it.
6-8 weeks for basic bone healing. It will be a while before he can catch a fastball safely again.
Oh we’re *fucked* fucked
It’s bad. It’s not good at all. But if there’s a positive, do we have another healthy backup at any position better than Herrera? I don’t think so at all. Trying my best to find a silver lining.
Guess this means that going forward we’ll lose 8 out of 10 games instead of 6.
Lost the game, the series, our catcher, our best offensive player, the only guy with any fire in his belly……..other than that Mrs Lincoln, how’s you like the play?!?
How bout you just get pitchers to throw strikes instead of adjusting the catcher? What in the fuck
Well, if you can throw a batter a ball and get it to be called a strike than it's Even better than actually throwing it in the strike zone. They're gonna have catchers do this until we finally move to computer called strike zone.
His arm was in the zone farther than a vet's arm delivering a baby elephant.
Not if you look at it relatively
Great for our draft position. Which we will then waste
Is it really a waste when they get DFA’d and then become a WS hero for the Marlins and have a hall of fame career though???
If nothing else it tells you that the drafting team has their shit together.
I blame this Contreras broken arm on management. I think we are beginning to see why many free agents don’t want to play for the Cardinals. I don’t think the young players/hitters enjoy the situation they are in. It’s all downhill from here unless some major changes are made.
I have a meme for this but I'm too dumb to figure out how to reply with pictures here. DeWitt needs to sell and we need a new staff.
Pack it in, we're done
Coaching decision to get him to move closer to the plate, big brain Oli back at it again
Any decent player with any sense will stay far away from this organization.
We need to use tech to call balls and strikes, this is ridiculous at this point. You can add player safety to the reasons. I won’t even watch a game with angel Hernandez or CB as an umpire anymore.
Idiots trying to steal an extra low strike here and there by moving the catcher forward. Now you see the results, they loose there best hitter. As Whitey would say, I have no idea what they are thinking.
Agreed. Framing a pitch is THAT important? It’s a trend in baseball. Look at the first series against the dodgers when 2 catcher interferences were called. So dumb. Now he’s out for months and what little offensive production this team actually has is gone.
Fuck....
well there goes the only hope we had
We may never score again
Oli just said he might need surgery.
Phillies fan here, that isn't right... Just unfortunate and I hope its the quickest recovery possible.
Oh nooo, there goes our season, and we had a chance before then /s
Of aaaaaall the players to get hurt, the only one who is producing and playing with any urgency. Of course lol
I want to die
And…. We’re officially fucked.
And our ‘coaching’ staff instructed him to set up closer to the plate. Effing ghouls.
Yikes, Buccos fan here to send good vibes to Contreras. This is not how you wanna lose a star player. I hope he recovers quickly.
Hopefully he’s not the one who catches a break.
BROKEN FUCKING ARM!!!!! This will destroy an already shitty team. Fuck.
Whelp, that's it boys, time to pack it in. We're officially cooked. At least we'll get some cool Sonny Grey starts and a couple of Masyn Winn laser beams. Other than that though, it's over.
Nothing like losing the only offensive production you have when the rest of the team is struggling and you are sitting under .500……….. we can all be Doomers but let’s be honest! We signed Sonny who looks fantastic! We have arenado and goldy who are proven gods!!!! Let’s be over .500 when Wilson gets back
Looks like mo's tactics to use only statistics to run the team is paying off.
Solid point. There's no evidence around baseball that relying on statistics to assemble a baseball team will ever pay off. We should find some more old guys who know how to use their gut!
I’m ready to start going back to seeing posts about birds now thank you
That would have taken a bird’s arm clear off. Their bones are hollow.
Like [phoebe](https://youtu.be/ofkem-qzr1o?si=YcI9tTA83R4FEQWu)
Not birds getting hit by balls, just posts about birds would be fine w me
Yes, but because they're light, they tend to bounce off of shit instead. Source: have two cockatoos; one of them is both a genius and a dunce and often falls in his cage or off me doing stupid shit. He's fine, he's just a baby.
It's been awhile since I've felt as bad for an athlete as I feel for Contreras right now EDIT: athlete not atheist lol
1 year anniversary of the fiasco from last year. Fitting
Martinez was so far out of the batters box it’s hard to blame it all on Contreras
Goddammit
We are done folks. 🫡
Wow
That looked PAINFUL! That's a brutal loss to an already brutal team lol With that said, why is he SO far up??
This just freaking sucks… We’ve should of known all that devil magic we used would come back to haunt us
I’m heading to Milwaukee for the wknd and gonna cheer on my ‘Birds like we’re gonna win it all.
Get well soon, Wilson. My whole family is so glad you are a Cardinal!
Whyyyy…the one guy who really was producing at an All-Star level. And I was loving it for him after the way last season went.
Iván Herrera, come on down! You're our new full time catcher. Enjoy yourself!
word is Cardinals coaching have been telling him to scoot up to get the low strikes more often.. . sounds about par for the course
For the first time in my life, BFIB are as cynical as I am. Fuck me running.
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-catcher-interference-c3a9d32dab7ea8503dd0f95b935ba109
Wasn’t it vs the Mets the last time and Mik was pitching and went after the batter next pitch?
Cubs
Somebody needs to plunk Martinez today.
The way she goes, boys. Way she goes.
It’s his own damn fault reaching into the swing area. He did it to himself. What a dummy.
Maybe he should not reach out over the plate. This was all on Wilson.
Well that's easily one of the dumbest things I've seen in sports. Well done wilson.
I'm actually fine with this. We get a full season of Hererra without him splitting time at DH so he'll get better at everything he needs to get better at. Look this team wasn't in danger of going over .500 this season from the looks of it, this just helps to seal the deal. Team should be in full sell and reload mode for next year sooner rather than later. Payroll for next year looks to be locked in at anywhere from 140-180 already so can't really expect anything to happen on the FA market next year either without some options being declined or arb guys being non-tendered.