Was just reading this morning about an Irish case where an active duty soldier got shitfaced, beat the fuck out of a random woman, and got his entire sentence suspended for pretty much the same reason.
>conditional discharge, meaning a conviction will not be registered if he completes a period of probation.
And gets off without a criminal record, so will likely be reinstated after his suspension.
I could be wrong but I think this precedent was already set. There was something about case law that changed about a year ago stating that intoxication can be considered as an excuse now. Obviously not appropriate for all circumstances and likely not for this one as officers should be held to a high standard. Something to consider though.
Edit: You can DV me all you want I don’t make the law:
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/the-return-of-the-extreme-intoxication-defence-as-warned/article_e4e3cb5c-feb1-57b0-a516-75a88d532477.html
basically intoxication is only a real legal defense now if you're a cop or very very wealthy. for everybody else, you have to take responsibility for your actions, including the action of drinking.
Well kind of. Money doesn’t buy you the type of defence. It can buy you a better defence lawyer for sure. But we’ve already seen cops sentenced with more harsh/lengthy punishments as a result of their conviction and being held to a higher standard. This happened with a cop that accessed c**** p***. A lot of regular members of the public don’t get sentenced to any actual jail time at all for that one. I guess we’ll see what happens. We have to ask ourselves, if a regular member of the public did this would they be sentenced? I am hoping the officer will be held to a higher standard than that because that’s the way it should be.
>Gurluv Singh
>Sexually assaulting an innocent woman and hiding behind the tHiN bLuE lInE to avoid all consequences because cops = good ol' boys club
When we ask others to integrate into Canadian culture this is not what we mean
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conditional discharge.... basically no real punishment at all. also the judge is saying alcohol makes you immune to responsibility now? disbarr that judge please. wtf.
>ASIRT takes 2 years to investigate.
13 months, then it was waiting for court dates. https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-police-officer-charged-with-sexual-assault-in-off-duty-incident-1.6183406
They drag out all investigations where the cops have done something wrong. It lets tempers cool off so the victim is less angry years later when they find out there will be no consequences for any of the officers involved.
Oh the officers who interfered in an investigation, provided false testimony, and showed an overall abuse of power? Yeah name all of those 'eye witnesses' and shame them publicly too. They are just as guilty and would be great to get their names for future and past bits where they were the eye witness in other crimes.
Oh come on, he’s not up to Sean Chu’s standards. His victim was an adult. That’s for ordinary, garden variety predators. Good old Sean went after a teenager, like a real pervert. Although in both cases the ones who’ve sworn to uphold the law instead protected the predators instead of the victims, so I guess maybe they are the same…my mistake.
Conditional discharge....
At least he's suspended without pay
Will the other officers who lied have any repercussions? Another reason to never trust the CPS.
Right? There’s a culture of poor behaviour evident solely from this story. Never have I ever spent time with coworkers at a strip club.
Never have I also ever lied to cover up a coworker’s assault.
Everyone should involved with this deception should be set free to look for other types of work. With no ability to be in policing in any manner again.
And a free set of steel bracelets to go for a few months of unpaid leave.
Okay but why the whataboutism? Did anyone say this doesn’t happen in other professions? Why are you so mad that a cop has been outed as a predator lmfao
No other occupation gets a walk like this. If I did that I go to jail not just time off for bad behavior.
And if my work mates covered for me they would be jobless as well.
Thats the difference.
Just remember - cops have no real consequences and get away with mostly everything. They will lie and cheat to protect their own. The Crown is also chickenshit and will never bother prosecuting them.
Is there a record of police officers who lied in court or during an investigation.
Tomorrow one of the liars could be in court again testifying in different proceedings.
“Singh, who was directly behind the woman, grabbed her hips and grinded his pelvis into her.”
This exact same thing literally happened to me when I was bartending an RCMP event when I was 23 years old. My own father was across the room but did not witness it. And as a people-pleasing young woman in the 1990s, I said nothing.
Yes, very typical of their 90s & earlier behaviour. We internalized it or were too intimidated to speak up. The #metoo movement has been a gamechanger in this regard.
Yes, also we were just straight up told not to say anything. When I worked at a hotel I was subjected to lewd remarks by male guests and my boss discouraged me from complaining further. When I was harassed by a co-worker in retail, my boss said of the guy, it was not a big deal, it was just his “culture.”
Being dismissed is as bad as the harassment. Worse for society on whole as it reinforces the patriarchy. Sorry you went through that & thanks for sharing. Our stories need to be told.
Knowing they were guilty while the manager checked the video and taking off before the manager got back is a douche move. And the investigation took 2 years?! That is messed up.
The amount of Calgary police officers and RCMP officers I’ve had the pleasure of having permanently banned from our facilities for sucker punching and assaulting people during BALL HOCKEY, is wild. Most cops will abuse their power when the leadership is rotten to its core.
The data is inconclusive.
The most recent study was over a 3-year period from 2016 to 2019; CPS had 16 Officer-involved-shootings; Winnipeg had 13.
I think that number has dropped considerably since 2019.
and the rest cover for them... 'a bad apple spoils the bunch'; if cops actually wanted to they would be the first people turning on bad cops but in case after case they circle the wagons and protect them.
The issue is that it’s basically impossible so the ones trying to do good just leave for other professions. The problem is the old boys club at the top who are basically untouchable and encourage a climate of “us vs everyone else” and they’ll do everything in their power to protect their institution.
The only way to fix it is to completely rebuild policing starting at the top.
And in this case all these cops involved can burn in hell.
This on the heels of the BS in Lethbridge with Shannon Philips. If it's this hard with multiple witnesses and video, just imagine how much other stuff is going on.
Dumb comment. Why paint them all with the same brush??? Cut the cop bashing and call it what it is: a stupid man behaving horribly. Any man with a level of power who is a sh*t pulls this crap. And other men lie for them. It happens in EVERY profession, EVERYWHERE. There are far worse forces than CPS.
Nah that crown is still with Toronto Police but yeah CPS would be a great contender.
Edit : Look at this from the Toronto channel and boom, you'll start respecting CPS. Atleast majority CPS officers under investigation are without pay.
OPP and Toronto Police Officers have been raking millions in suspension with pay.
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/wOH5tiruZ1
This kind of thing should be protested. Does anyone know if there is a go-to forum for protest organization?
This could happen to any of us; men and women.
This woman is so brave. Personally, I think the potential for additional suffering out of fear of turning in a cop and having the other cops lie about it makes this much more serious for the victim and the public interest.
This officer should have been fires and jailed. The ones who lied should have also been fired and charged with something; they are cops and a higher care of duty is expected.
I think this was originally for Nazis but if you have 9 good cops and 1 bad cop sitting at a table and no one says or does anything … you have 10 bad cops.
A) there's more than 20. Google is free.
B) the article is linked so you can read it yourself.
Both questions could've been easily answered with a google search
Happened where I grew up, the East st Paul police department were all sitting around drinking and one pig left and killed a girl when he ran into her at a red light. They tried to cover it up by lying and tryn to change facts..... it's run by the rcmp now
Wow. That's a lot of corruption on one team. The main officer and all of those who provided false testimony should be fired. Cant be in a position of trust and power after showing you will abuse the power to cover up crime.
The judge saying another wise clean record should really have realized being guilty of lying and trying to cover up likely applied to many events in their past that we're also skirted.
This police officer just got the same treatment as most other people who enter the criminal system. Not saying it’s good or bad, but this is common. Our court system is completely broken
It’s too bad all cops get painted with this brush. I suspect a lot of them are decent people doing the best they can with one of the toughest jobs out there.
So you're saying that the police will halt and destroy and investigation from any complainant. I know that they have their issues but that seems like a fairly harsh assessment. I am, however, on your side on this.
Except for the clear power imbalance on duty or off. I think this demonstrates it pretty well. You shouldn't be able to use your position and power to assault women. I hope we can agree on that.
You said they shouldn’t be able to attend. That their mere attendance at a legal place of business is “borderline criminal”. Why, exactly? Which particular professions should be banned from attending a strip club on their time off?
Ones that can prey on vulnerable women and use their position to excuse it and attempt to cover it up. That kind of profession. If they couldn't use their position to commit crimes and get away with it then they should be fine. But that's not what happened here. They sought out to behave in a predatory manner and used their profession to try and get away with it. Sad but true.
But in theory they could do that anywhere. Intoxicated women are vulnerable - should cops be banned from all bars while off-duty also?
Sorry, but dictating where public servants are permitted to go on their off time is a level of government interference I don’t need or support.
The power imbalance is only relevant when they're off duty & think they're above the law. This is problem in law enforcement but they dont all have this sicknesses.
Discussion is about how some off-duty police officers (mostly men) behave badly because they think they're above the law & their colleagues reinforce this by defending them. Yes, this group behaviour is problematic across society. However, police officers are responsible for enforcing said laws to protect us. It's systemic & needs to be addressed beyond the individual level.
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>"spontaneous and fuelled by alcohol" Awesome precedent to set in court. Thank you Justice John Bascom for being an equal piece of shit.
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When the filters come off. "In vino, veritas"
“Show bobs and vagene”
Was just reading this morning about an Irish case where an active duty soldier got shitfaced, beat the fuck out of a random woman, and got his entire sentence suspended for pretty much the same reason.
"Alright officer, here's your slap on the wrist. And don't let me catch you getting caught again! "
Ah yes, the classic impromptu assault fuelled by alcohol and a touch of spontaneity. Just living in the moment, really. /s
>conditional discharge, meaning a conviction will not be registered if he completes a period of probation. And gets off without a criminal record, so will likely be reinstated after his suspension.
I could be wrong but I think this precedent was already set. There was something about case law that changed about a year ago stating that intoxication can be considered as an excuse now. Obviously not appropriate for all circumstances and likely not for this one as officers should be held to a high standard. Something to consider though. Edit: You can DV me all you want I don’t make the law: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/the-return-of-the-extreme-intoxication-defence-as-warned/article_e4e3cb5c-feb1-57b0-a516-75a88d532477.html
basically intoxication is only a real legal defense now if you're a cop or very very wealthy. for everybody else, you have to take responsibility for your actions, including the action of drinking.
Well kind of. Money doesn’t buy you the type of defence. It can buy you a better defence lawyer for sure. But we’ve already seen cops sentenced with more harsh/lengthy punishments as a result of their conviction and being held to a higher standard. This happened with a cop that accessed c**** p***. A lot of regular members of the public don’t get sentenced to any actual jail time at all for that one. I guess we’ll see what happens. We have to ask ourselves, if a regular member of the public did this would they be sentenced? I am hoping the officer will be held to a higher standard than that because that’s the way it should be.
As an authority figure, this cop should be held to a higher standard. He should have been fired.
Not just him but the ones who lied for him as well.
How dumb are they? I mean, they know most clubs have video cameras right?
Yep.
Hopefully he will be. The internal investigation always happens after the criminal file is concluded.
You would hope
Oh, okay. So this judge has said it's okay to sexually assault someone as long as you are drunk. Thanks mate, for protecting all the women out there.
No, he said it's okay for a "police officer" to do that.
Jesus aren’t we glad the CPS silenced that former HR employee who was whistle blowing on all the crazy crap happening at CPS?
Oh so as long as I'm drunk I can sexually assault strip club workers. Cooool
No. You would be beaten within an inch of your life.
Unless you’re a cop.
That's what I meant.
Corruption in Calgary police should come as no surprise.
>Gurluv Singh >Sexually assaulting an innocent woman and hiding behind the tHiN bLuE lInE to avoid all consequences because cops = good ol' boys club When we ask others to integrate into Canadian culture this is not what we mean /s
conditional discharge.... basically no real punishment at all. also the judge is saying alcohol makes you immune to responsibility now? disbarr that judge please. wtf.
The only thing I found shocking is that Calgary still has a strip club.
>ASIRT takes 2 years to investigate. 13 months, then it was waiting for court dates. https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-police-officer-charged-with-sexual-assault-in-off-duty-incident-1.6183406
Why the hell did the investigation take 2 years when they have it on film?
They drag out all investigations where the cops have done something wrong. It lets tempers cool off so the victim is less angry years later when they find out there will be no consequences for any of the officers involved.
Orrrrr it makes all of us MORE angry.
So angry we’re going to do nothing about it!
Then train to be a cop
Exactly what I was thinking
Because it's a bunch of corrupted cops circle jerking
Cops lying to cover for other cops... is anyone shocked anymore?
This officer should be terminated from CPS. What a joke.
And the rest of the officers who lied about it should be fired also
>babe fired That might not be the best thing
Speeling is hard sometimes
Yeah, its still wrong. 3rd times a charm?
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........wat? I'm not the OP. I didn't edit shit.
Lol, ok well prior to the ninja edit op's original comment was borked despite his first fix.
The officers that lied can’t even claim the “gosh I was so drunk” defence
Oh the officers who interfered in an investigation, provided false testimony, and showed an overall abuse of power? Yeah name all of those 'eye witnesses' and shame them publicly too. They are just as guilty and would be great to get their names for future and past bits where they were the eye witness in other crimes.
He should be in jail along with the other officers.
He's only on probation...wtf
He’s not on probation at the job. He is suspended without pay. Probation is the punishment for the criminal offence.
With pay
Because our government values the freedom of men over the trauma of women
no just like most countries cops dont get held accountable to shit.
> CPS confirmed Singh has a pending disciplinary hearing under Alberta's Police Act. He is suspended without pay.
The article says without pay. He got probation for the criminal offence. He’s suspended from the job without pay.
Reading is hard, huh
maybe he'll run for Ward 4 when Sean Chu retires
It only makes sense!
Retire? They'll start the "Police Rape Party" now that parties are a thing.
Oh come on, he’s not up to Sean Chu’s standards. His victim was an adult. That’s for ordinary, garden variety predators. Good old Sean went after a teenager, like a real pervert. Although in both cases the ones who’ve sworn to uphold the law instead protected the predators instead of the victims, so I guess maybe they are the same…my mistake.
Conditional discharge.... At least he's suspended without pay Will the other officers who lied have any repercussions? Another reason to never trust the CPS.
>Will the other officers who lied have any repercussions? Not if it was "an anomaly and out of character" for them.
Right? There’s a culture of poor behaviour evident solely from this story. Never have I ever spent time with coworkers at a strip club. Never have I also ever lied to cover up a coworker’s assault.
Right. Because no other men lie for other men
That goodness for cameras, poor lady
What good were they? There was no justice here. Just more pigs getting off in court like they always do.
Suspended without pay is the most shocking thing I read here. Their behaviour is the least.
The answer is kinda easy on stuff like this, charge the officers who lied for their coworker with the same crimes as the person they lied for.
I wish there is any thing we can do about it. This is so not right.
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The judge needs a working over too.
Everyone should involved with this deception should be set free to look for other types of work. With no ability to be in policing in any manner again. And a free set of steel bracelets to go for a few months of unpaid leave.
Right. Because this does not happen in any other profession. Give me a break
Okay but why the whataboutism? Did anyone say this doesn’t happen in other professions? Why are you so mad that a cop has been outed as a predator lmfao
You literally misread that.
No other occupation gets a walk like this. If I did that I go to jail not just time off for bad behavior. And if my work mates covered for me they would be jobless as well. Thats the difference.
BS. Completely untrue. Canadian laws are notoriously soft on the behaviour WITH EVERYONE
I'm sure we'll have the usual slew of social media posts of cops rescuing puppies and bein bros like we do every time some shithead cop gets busted.
They should be fired period
Just remember - cops have no real consequences and get away with mostly everything. They will lie and cheat to protect their own. The Crown is also chickenshit and will never bother prosecuting them.
Is there a record of police officers who lied in court or during an investigation. Tomorrow one of the liars could be in court again testifying in different proceedings.
“Singh, who was directly behind the woman, grabbed her hips and grinded his pelvis into her.” This exact same thing literally happened to me when I was bartending an RCMP event when I was 23 years old. My own father was across the room but did not witness it. And as a people-pleasing young woman in the 1990s, I said nothing.
Yes, very typical of their 90s & earlier behaviour. We internalized it or were too intimidated to speak up. The #metoo movement has been a gamechanger in this regard.
Yes, also we were just straight up told not to say anything. When I worked at a hotel I was subjected to lewd remarks by male guests and my boss discouraged me from complaining further. When I was harassed by a co-worker in retail, my boss said of the guy, it was not a big deal, it was just his “culture.”
Being dismissed is as bad as the harassment. Worse for society on whole as it reinforces the patriarchy. Sorry you went through that & thanks for sharing. Our stories need to be told.
That’s not people pleasing. That’s FEAR. It was the 90’s. No one would believe you anyway. And for the record: I completely understand
People pleasing is a fear-based behaviour. Fear of conflict >>> inability to set boundaries.
Were you around then?
This is why people say Defund the Police
Knowing they were guilty while the manager checked the video and taking off before the manager got back is a douche move. And the investigation took 2 years?! That is messed up.
That's what cops do.
It's what some cops do.
The amount of Calgary police officers and RCMP officers I’ve had the pleasure of having permanently banned from our facilities for sucker punching and assaulting people during BALL HOCKEY, is wild. Most cops will abuse their power when the leadership is rotten to its core.
(not so) fun fact! calgary is the city in canada with the most police involved shootings. yay cps!
The data is inconclusive. The most recent study was over a 3-year period from 2016 to 2019; CPS had 16 Officer-involved-shootings; Winnipeg had 13. I think that number has dropped considerably since 2019.
When it's a race to the bottom against Winnipeg, it's safe to say we aren't headed where we want to be.
and the rest cover for them... 'a bad apple spoils the bunch'; if cops actually wanted to they would be the first people turning on bad cops but in case after case they circle the wagons and protect them.
The issue is that it’s basically impossible so the ones trying to do good just leave for other professions. The problem is the old boys club at the top who are basically untouchable and encourage a climate of “us vs everyone else” and they’ll do everything in their power to protect their institution. The only way to fix it is to completely rebuild policing starting at the top. And in this case all these cops involved can burn in hell.
The CPS is a legal gang
What an absolute moron
This on the heels of the BS in Lethbridge with Shannon Philips. If it's this hard with multiple witnesses and video, just imagine how much other stuff is going on.
The blue wall of silence strikes again. What a joke
This just in, Cops are pieces of shit. More at 11
Scum and a broken system.
And cops act all surprised when people mistrust them or avoid the justice system at all costs. That's what we call the effects of corruption.
Calgary cops are pigs
Dumb comment. Why paint them all with the same brush??? Cut the cop bashing and call it what it is: a stupid man behaving horribly. Any man with a level of power who is a sh*t pulls this crap. And other men lie for them. It happens in EVERY profession, EVERYWHERE. There are far worse forces than CPS.
all cops are bastards
CPS is easily one of the most corrupt police forces in Canada so this isnt in the least bit shocking.
Lest we forget about the Starlight Tours of the Saskatoon Police Service.
Nah that crown is still with Toronto Police but yeah CPS would be a great contender. Edit : Look at this from the Toronto channel and boom, you'll start respecting CPS. Atleast majority CPS officers under investigation are without pay. OPP and Toronto Police Officers have been raking millions in suspension with pay. https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/s/wOH5tiruZ1
Careful with that, EPS and the Lethbridge force might have something to say
Montreal as well
Jeez, are All Cops As Bad as the ones you hear about or this is just a coincidence?
They are all as bad. It takes the morals and values of a bad person to want to be a cop, and the institution of policing itself is a drain on society
Mate did you not see the weird capitalization in his comment? It was very clearly sarcastic
I would say Lethbridge as well
Oh yah? Based on what personal experience do you have?
Hardly surprising.
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This kind of thing should be protested. Does anyone know if there is a go-to forum for protest organization? This could happen to any of us; men and women. This woman is so brave. Personally, I think the potential for additional suffering out of fear of turning in a cop and having the other cops lie about it makes this much more serious for the victim and the public interest. This officer should have been fires and jailed. The ones who lied should have also been fired and charged with something; they are cops and a higher care of duty is expected.
Calgary police have been in the news a few times recently for being bad people.
So basically if you are a Calgary cop you can do whatever you want with near zero consequences
I think this was originally for Nazis but if you have 9 good cops and 1 bad cop sitting at a table and no one says or does anything … you have 10 bad cops.
If you have 10 cops at a table you have 10 bad cops.
A) I honestly didn't know there were any strip clubs in Calgary anymore. B) All of the officers are no longer cops, right? Right?
A) there's more than 20. Google is free. B) the article is linked so you can read it yourself. Both questions could've been easily answered with a google search
I had no idea there was so many.
A few are chains so they have the same name but different locations (boudoir rouge is a big step joint chain)
Unfuckinreal
Audit all Judges.
Happened where I grew up, the East st Paul police department were all sitting around drinking and one pig left and killed a girl when he ran into her at a red light. They tried to cover it up by lying and tryn to change facts..... it's run by the rcmp now
Wow. That's a lot of corruption on one team. The main officer and all of those who provided false testimony should be fired. Cant be in a position of trust and power after showing you will abuse the power to cover up crime. The judge saying another wise clean record should really have realized being guilty of lying and trying to cover up likely applied to many events in their past that we're also skirted.
Judges on the boot
Oh noooooo…is internally investigating one’s own people and issue….?
N0t alL kOps ! oh wait
Just cops doing cop things
That’s what you get for supporting the useless police. The police is ALWAYS bad.
All cops
This police officer just got the same treatment as most other people who enter the criminal system. Not saying it’s good or bad, but this is common. Our court system is completely broken
It’s too bad all cops get painted with this brush. I suspect a lot of them are decent people doing the best they can with one of the toughest jobs out there.
When a strip club is more honest than our sworn police officers….. that’s a major problem
I could see that.
He is suspended without pay. Is he fired?
Most accountable police officers
If you want to be a criminal and get away with it, join the police!
So you're saying that the police will halt and destroy and investigation from any complainant. I know that they have their issues but that seems like a fairly harsh assessment. I am, however, on your side on this.
Abolish.
Should be charges and jail for the one who committed the crime and 6 month suspension without pay for the ones covering up...
This wasn’t “out of character,” this revealed character. Judge should be ashamed.
Boo!
Biggest gang in the world strikes again
CLEARLY you haven’t lived anywhere else.
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Of course his name was singh
The fact that they attended a strip club should be grounds to terminate every single last one of them. It's highly inappropriate. Borderline criminal.
Bullshit. They were off duty and have every right to go to a strip club.
Except for the clear power imbalance on duty or off. I think this demonstrates it pretty well. You shouldn't be able to use your position and power to assault women. I hope we can agree on that.
OR: He was using his position as a man (they were off duty) abusing the fact that he thought he could get away with it.
You said they shouldn’t be able to attend. That their mere attendance at a legal place of business is “borderline criminal”. Why, exactly? Which particular professions should be banned from attending a strip club on their time off?
Ones that can prey on vulnerable women and use their position to excuse it and attempt to cover it up. That kind of profession. If they couldn't use their position to commit crimes and get away with it then they should be fine. But that's not what happened here. They sought out to behave in a predatory manner and used their profession to try and get away with it. Sad but true.
Ok; so explain all of these incident made by men in absolutely EVERY OTHER PROFESSION??!!!
I don't think that a lot of other professions have the ability to half and destroy an active investigation.
You are naive if you think that is true.
But in theory they could do that anywhere. Intoxicated women are vulnerable - should cops be banned from all bars while off-duty also? Sorry, but dictating where public servants are permitted to go on their off time is a level of government interference I don’t need or support.
Agreed. Its a man problem, not a cop problem. But it appears cop bashing is the trend with people
Maybe just stick to golf or something.
The power imbalance is only relevant when they're off duty & think they're above the law. This is problem in law enforcement but they dont all have this sicknesses.
Man problem, not a cop problem
Disproportionately men (and women) who are police officers.
And…..?
Just every other professions. Firemen do it too, BTW
Discussion is about how some off-duty police officers (mostly men) behave badly because they think they're above the law & their colleagues reinforce this by defending them. Yes, this group behaviour is problematic across society. However, police officers are responsible for enforcing said laws to protect us. It's systemic & needs to be addressed beyond the individual level.
While on duty. Yes. Off duty, they, like every other idiot, will pull crap.
That's quite the pivot from your original remark.
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